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MacRumors
Apr 16, 2013, 05:59 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/12/facebook.jpgFormer Apple employee Richard Williamson has been hired by Facebook, reports Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-16/facebook-said-to-hire-apple-maps-executive-amid-mobile-push.html). Williamson, who was in charge of Apple's iOS mapping team, was fired (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/27/apple-fires-manager-responsible-for-maps-as-eddy-cue-turns-to-outsiders-for-help/) in November after Apple Maps faced extensive criticism (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/20/apples-new-ios-6-maps-app-drawing-significant-criticism/) for its poor performance (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/09/australian-police-warn-against-use-of-apple-maps-due-to-safety-concerns/).Williamson joined Facebook in the past couple of weeks to be a manager within its expanding mobile-software group, said two of the people, who declined to be identified because the information isn't public.Facebook has acquired several other Apple employees (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/26/facebooks-team-of-former-apple-engineers-focused-on-improving-ios-app/) in an effort to improve and expand on its iOS app, which was updated today (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/16/facebook-bringing-chat-heads-to-its-ios-apps-updated-ipad-version-with-new-streamlined-design/) to add the Chat Heads feature.Other former Apple employees brought in by Zuckerberg include Greg Novick, a former iPhone manager who helped develop the device's touch interface; Mike Matas and Kimon Tsinteris, software designers who joined when Facebook acquired their company Push Pop Press; and software engineers Scott Goodson, Tim Omernick and Chris Tremblay.Facebook has also reportedly hired former Twitter employee Loren Brichter, who designed Twitter's original iPhone app (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/09/tweetie-for-mac-and-ipad-still-in-the-works/) and popular word game Letterpress (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/24/letterpress-combines-boggle-and-go-in-one-simple-word-game/). Brichter is a former member of Scott Forstall's iPhone team.

Article Link: Facebook Hires Former Apple Maps Manager Richard Williamson (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/16/facebook-hires-former-apple-maps-manager-richard-williamson/)



komodrone
Apr 16, 2013, 05:59 PM
Why is eddie cue shown?
And anyone else curious about what is Scott Forstall doing?

Quu
Apr 16, 2013, 06:02 PM
Why is eddie cue shown?
Also, what is Scott Forstall doing?

When searching for "Richard Williamson" on Google Images, Eddy Cue's face comes up like 50 times so I'm guessing people are confused about who Richard Williamson actually is because of that. haha

tevion5
Apr 16, 2013, 06:11 PM
...and together they shall write the worst software the world has ever seen! Mmwwwohahahaha!

jclo
Apr 16, 2013, 06:17 PM
When searching for "Richard Williamson" on Google Images, Eddy Cue's face comes up like 50 times so I'm guessing people are confused about who Richard Williamson actually is because of that. haha

This, along with a momentary lapse of brain functionality. Sorry about that, I updated it in approximately 20 seconds but you guys are too quick. :)

tigertazz
Apr 16, 2013, 06:26 PM
Facebook maps! See the world through people's faces

Sayer
Apr 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
And anyone else curious about what is Scott Forstall doing?

Plotting his revenge in his secret lair under a volcano somewhere in the Pacific?

Squilly
Apr 16, 2013, 07:43 PM
Seems to happen a lot. People exchanging people from huge companies. Would expect people to take the (semi opposite) route of Steve Jobs, creating their own business after getting fired.

jonnysods
Apr 16, 2013, 07:45 PM
Does anyone know what Scott is doing for real?

monaarts
Apr 16, 2013, 08:01 PM
Does anyone know what Scott is doing for real?

He is still an advisor at Apple...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Forstall

lk400
Apr 16, 2013, 08:04 PM
Seems to happen a lot. People exchanging people from huge companies. Would expect people to take the (semi opposite) route of Steve Jobs, creating their own business after getting fired.

Times have changed somewhat since then. Its a much bigger risk to do that these days.

RoastingPig
Apr 16, 2013, 08:16 PM
how can i make a joke out of this?

tekboi
Apr 16, 2013, 08:18 PM
Great! Now they can add even more useless and half-baked serves to Facebook!!!

thefourthpope
Apr 16, 2013, 08:22 PM
Turn-by-turn status updates!
"Paul will….turn right in….50….feet"
"Paul….has turned….right"
"Paul….is lost"

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how can i make a joke out of this?

Good start ;)

Carlanga
Apr 16, 2013, 08:29 PM
Facebook maps! See the world through the wrong people's faces

Fixed that for you :)

RicoRich196
Apr 16, 2013, 08:55 PM
Homage to a great post.

"Okay and just down the hall is your office. Richard! Not that that door! Rich.. Richard! For the love of God that's the conference room! Turn! Turn right! Too far, you idiot! Left a little... now two steps forward... NO! Forward! Never mind, dammit. Just stand there. Have you learned nothing?"

marksman
Apr 16, 2013, 10:06 PM
Times have changed somewhat since then. Its a much bigger risk to do that these days.

Disagree. Many senior level managers have way more money and resources and opportunities then jobs did back then. The real reason is few people are capable or even want to run their own business. You get 30% of the pay and 1% of the responsibility.

b166er
Apr 16, 2013, 10:56 PM
I can't imagine they want him for his mapping knowledge. If anything I bet this is just a power move. Just FB flexing its muscles, trying to gain some tech cred by hiring Apple people.

Seriously if facebook is trying to enter the world of maps.... just.... no..... please.

Google won. Apple is awesome, they do awesome things, but Google won the maps battle before Apple even entered the ring. There are so many other angles to compete on where Apple or Facebook could actually gain an edge over Google. But let the maps thing rest for god sakes. Apple maps was conceived entirely out of spite, it was rushed out the door, and it still sucks several months after release.

Snowshiro
Apr 16, 2013, 11:03 PM
Sadly he only lasted a day.

They told him to go to Mark Zuckerberg's office for a meeting, and he ended up in Oakland.

chriscrk
Apr 16, 2013, 11:26 PM
You're using the old Facebook icon! Get with the times you guys!

Jayse
Apr 17, 2013, 12:10 AM
Facebook is such a joke these days...

mrxak
Apr 17, 2013, 02:01 AM
I think they're probably hiring him because he knows a lot about iOS, and also probably because he's available.

This is a case of Facebook wanting to pick up some iOS knowledge for cheap, pretty much. It has nothing to do with maps.

I mean, Facebook isn't that dumb, are they?

dazed
Apr 17, 2013, 03:46 AM
A blunder that big meant people had to take the fall, and he was one of them.

It seems unfair to blame it all on him. We don't know what went on behind the scenes, who was the real culprit, and who got thrown under the bus.

This is not the first time Apple has bitten off more they can chew. Cough...MobileMe....Cough.

I think this probably went much higher than even Forstall. Sadly we may never know the truth.

ArtOfWarfare
Apr 17, 2013, 04:30 AM
Google won. Apple is awesome, they do awesome things, but Google won the maps battle before Apple even entered the ring. There are so many other angles to compete on where Apple or Facebook could actually gain an edge over Google. But let the maps thing rest for god sakes. Apple maps was conceived entirely out of spite, it was rushed out the door, and it still sucks several months after release.

... Google has been doing this for eight times as long as Apple. It'd be shocking if Apple had already surpassed them in content.

Technology wise, you're wrong, plain and simple. Google's mapping services are bulky and dog slow. They have to load individual prerenderedimages tiles for every zoom level when you're in top down view, and don't even get me started on how stupid their street view implementation is from a resource perspective (or UI perspective.) Apple's vector based maps + flyover put Google maps to shame.

I'm in the US, so my mileage may be different from yours, but I find the content to be acceptable. It hasn't been wrong yet, but there's some things that it doesn't have (like public transit routes... That's by far the biggest reason I have Google Maps installed on my iPhone, although to be honest, I memorized the major routes over a year ago and I rarely need to take any minor routes.)

gnasher729
Apr 17, 2013, 07:55 AM
I'm in the US, so my mileage may be different from yours, but I find the content to be acceptable. It hasn't been wrong yet, but there's some things that it doesn't have (like public transit routes... That's by far the biggest reason I have Google Maps installed on my iPhone, although to be honest, I memorized the major routes over a year ago and I rarely need to take any minor routes.)

I think Apple should take advantage of opportunities for crowdsourcing. Supply some data to maps, and get some credit on the iTunes store. For example, an iOS app that lets you check the street name and add house numbers / businesses / other things where you are.

szw-mapple fan
Apr 17, 2013, 08:00 AM
Facebook Maps — where you can track anyone anywhere!!

EDIT: I can see someone already beat me to it.

e-coli
Apr 17, 2013, 08:15 AM
Times have changed somewhat since then. Its a much bigger risk to do that these days.

The exact opposite is true. There are more ex C-level and former-executive-level startups happening right now than you can count.


I think Apple should take advantage of opportunities for crowdsourcing.

That's called Waze. ;)

GenesisST
Apr 17, 2013, 08:38 AM
Does anyone know what Scott is doing for real?

Probably swimming in money

ArtOfWarfare
Apr 17, 2013, 08:48 AM
I think Apple should take advantage of opportunities for crowdsourcing. Supply some data to maps, and get some credit on the iTunes store. For example, an iOS app that lets you check the street name and add house numbers / businesses / other things where you are.

I like the idea but it seems to me that if you give incentive for cheating, people will. Crowdsourcing is fine, but don't include money like that.

carlgo
Apr 17, 2013, 09:13 AM
A blunder that big meant people had to take the fall, and he was one of them.

It seems unfair to blame it all on him. We don't know what went on behind the scenes, who was the real culprit, and who got thrown under the bus.

This is not the first time Apple has bitten off more they can chew. Cough...MobileMe....Cough.

I think this probably went much higher than even Forstall. Sadly we may never know the truth.

Exactly. He was not done and somebody up high released it before it was ready.

Mr.damien
Apr 17, 2013, 09:37 AM
In few days, the checkin in Facebook will check you on some other places instead.

b166er
Apr 17, 2013, 10:05 AM
... Google has been doing this for eight times as long as Apple. It'd be shocking if Apple had already surpassed them in content.

Technology wise, you're wrong, plain and simple. Google's mapping services are bulky and dog slow. They have to load individual prerenderedimages tiles for every zoom level when you're in top down view, and don't even get me started on how stupid their street view implementation is from a resource perspective (or UI perspective.) Apple's vector based maps + flyover put Google maps to shame.

I'm in the US, so my mileage may be different from yours, but I find the content to be acceptable. It hasn't been wrong yet, but there's some things that it doesn't have (like public transit routes... That's by far the biggest reason I have Google Maps installed on my iPhone, although to be honest, I memorized the major routes over a year ago and I rarely need to take any minor routes.)


I live in Philly.

And from a user standpoint, that user being me, I'm right, plain and simple. Apple maps has no idea what is what around where I live. And I've used it in other cities such as Richmond, VA, Daytona, FL, Charleston, WV, New Orleans, LA and more. I am not a bird, I am a man. So street view is actually helpful to me at times, although it's not 100% accurate (but no service I've ever used is). Flyover serves no purpose to me. I have had consistently more "luck" navigating with Waze than I have had with Apple maps.

I love Apple stuff, I use a Mac and an iPad almost daily. I'm not trying to say one company is better than the other, just that in this specific area I had to go with someone else.

And I did acknowledge that Google has been doing this longer, in fact that was my point. I'm not going to start a hamburger fast food chain- there are other companies that have been doing it forever and I wouldn't stand a chance. Apple makes money in a lot of different markets so they can afford to throw cash at Apple Maps until it is at least on par with Google, and I'm sure they will. But as a user, I'm not going to wait for them and deal with their crappy product, I'm going to use something else until their version is at least as good.

iGrip
Apr 17, 2013, 10:12 AM
... Google has been doing this for eight times as long as Apple. It'd be shocking if Apple had already surpassed them in content.



It will be shocking if Apple merely catches up to Google. It would be astounding if Apple ever surpasses Google.

Analog Kid
Apr 17, 2013, 06:16 PM
For any young people starting their careers, let this be a lesson to you: don't be afraid to fail.

Seriously. For all the public humiliation of Apple Maps, Williamson still landed another job. He didn't become a pariah. Failure hurts, not doubt, but pushing yourself beyond your limits teaches you a lot as well. I'm sure he's being well taken care of at Facebook.