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mattopotamus
Apr 22, 2013, 07:11 AM
do you use it on a regular basis, yes or no?

Just curious as to how many people use NFC and how they are using it. If you only have used it here and there and not consistently please vote no.



eawmp1
Apr 22, 2013, 07:15 AM
No (except with ID badge at work). The idea of having (in its current form) different fobs for different vendors on my key ring makes me shudder. As for the credit card chips, I use different cards, so I've not pursued it.

If vendors more widely adopt, and security issues worked out, I might welcome it on a phone.

cynics
Apr 22, 2013, 08:01 AM
No (except with ID badge at work). The idea of having (in its current form) different fobs for different vendors on my key ring makes me shudder. As for the credit card chips, I use different cards, so I've not pursued it.

If vendors more widely adopt, and security issues worked out, I might welcome it on a phone.

Is security really an issue?

In a day where credit card security is such an issue I don't think there is much problem with using NFC.

I can take anyone's credit card and use it all day. A lot of places don't need signatures for less then 20 bucks (gas stations and convenient stores. And places that do rarely check the sig and if its a digital signature they never check it because its so sloppy.

Then it's so easy to steal the info any more from small gadgets on swipers and such.

NFC on a phone has a couple things going for it. One the info is sent digitally so no one can take a picture of the card and a cashier will never know the entire card number. Two, it requires a pin so if someone steals the phone you still can't use it. Three if very easy to know your phone is missing. Some people can go days/weeks before noticing a credit card is gone, that won't happen with a phone. Four, like a card you need direct contact it's not like the info is being blasted into the air more then a couple inches.

And although I'm not positive I read somewhere that the phone makes a connection with the device. So you are sending info to one place, if something intercepts the info you and the store will know. Don't know how true that is.

KentuckyHouse
Apr 22, 2013, 08:10 AM
I would definitely use it if only the phone/software makers and businesses around the US would get their stuff together. But when you've got Google with one standard and AT&T now trying to get ISIS off the ground, it makes it a real pain in the rear.

One standard, one piece of software used...and I believe it would take off. But with all these competing interests, it's just stifling it's ability to get off the ground.

ChristianJapan
Apr 22, 2013, 08:19 AM
Use every day for commuting in Tokyo with bus and train.

http://www.pasmo.co.jp/en/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa

And when I'm thirsty I get a drink from the vending machine. All with the same card. Hopefully soon just with my iPhone 5S. :rolleyes:

Jibbajabba
Apr 22, 2013, 08:23 AM
NFwhat :p

Nah, never used it ... ever ...

tbayrgs
Apr 22, 2013, 08:34 AM
As AT&T won't allow use of Google Wallet on my Note 2, I don't use it for payments however, I do have a few NFC tags set up in the house, car that I use to change settings configuration (wifi, Bluetooth, open certain apps, etc). They're certainly handy but find I don't really miss using them if I'm using my iPhone.

daveathall
Apr 22, 2013, 08:58 AM
It is used more and more in Europe, ask this question when Apple include it on their 5S or 6, it will then magically be useful, same as there is now two perfect sizes of phone to use one handed.:rolleyes:

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 09:02 AM
It is used more and more in Europe, ask this question when Apple include it on their 5S or 6, it will then magically be useful, same as there is now two perfect sizes of phone to use one handed.:rolleyes:

Personally, I won't find a use for it until I can ditch my wallet full of cards in favor of my phone....

Until then, its pretty much the same amount of effort to pull out my credit card versus pulling out my phone.

Nothing to do with iOS vs Android really - though I do think Apple's adoption would hasten more widespread use in the US.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
do you use it on a regular basis, yes or no?

Just curious as to how many people use NFC and how they are using it. If you only have used it here and there and not consistently please vote no.

Thanks for starting a new thread. I course I will say yes I do use it. Payments are the main use.

daveathall
Apr 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
Personally, I won't find a use for it until I can ditch my wallet full of cards in favor of my phone....

Until then, its pretty much the same amount of effort to pull out my credit card versus pulling out my phone.

Nothing to do with iOS vs Android really - though I do think Apple's adoption would hasten more widespread use in the US.

TBH, JR, I'm the same really. IMHO, it will happen (Or something along similar lines) I do hope that a single standard comes out.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 09:32 AM
Personally, I won't find a use for it until I can ditch my wallet full of cards in favor of my phone....

Until then, its pretty much the same amount of effort to pull out my credit card versus pulling out my phone.

Nothing to do with iOS vs Android really - though I do think Apple's adoption would hasten more widespread use in the US.

Well of course it would be used way more if Apple adopted it because there are millions upon millions of people using an iPhone. I just don't agree that the more things will be made to use NFC or anything like that. It is already big just maybe not as big in the US.

MacRumorUser
Apr 22, 2013, 09:36 AM
It is used more and more in Europe, ask this question when Apple include it on their 5S or 6, it will then magically be useful, same as there is now two perfect sizes of phone to use one handed.:rolleyes:

Define Europe ? I thought the UK wanted out of it ;)

Here is Ireland I do not believe we have any NFC uses publicly. So no, here it isn't used.

LIVEFRMNYC
Apr 22, 2013, 09:39 AM
I use it about once every 2 weeks at the gas station near me. And randomly at drug stores like Rite Aid. Use it with the S3, but custom rom is required.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 10:04 AM
TBH, JR, I'm the same really. IMHO, it will happen (Or something along similar lines) I do hope that a single standard comes out.

Ya I figure it will happen as well - I think the main obstacle with ditching a wallet - personally is ID (driver's license, SS card).

If I find NFC payments become more widespread I may start an experiment and see if I can go without my wallet. Maybe through some cash and my driver's license in a money clip or something much thinner than a wallet.....

Cash is another obstacle - I still find it necessary to carry at least SOME cash with me, if only because I always feel bad for not tipping a valet or being able to give someone less fortunate the cash in my wallet when I'm not carrying any.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 10:17 AM
Ya I figure it will happen as well - I think the main obstacle with ditching a wallet - personally is ID (driver's license, SS card).

If I find NFC payments become more widespread I may start an experiment and see if I can go without my wallet. Maybe through some cash and my driver's license in a money clip or something much thinner than a wallet.....

Cash is another obstacle - I still find it necessary to carry at least SOME cash with me, if only because I always feel bad for not tipping a valet or being able to give someone less fortunate the cash in my wallet when I'm not carrying any.

I don't know that we will ever be able to do without a wallet completely. As you said there is cash. Sure we have debit and credit cards, but cash will always be around and needed.

ucfgrad93
Apr 22, 2013, 10:19 AM
I don't use it. I don't know of any stores around me that use it.

DesertEagle
Apr 22, 2013, 10:20 AM
Only with my gym pass.

Assault
Apr 22, 2013, 11:07 AM
I don't know that we will ever be able to do without a wallet completely. As you said there is cash. Sure we have debit and credit cards, but cash will always be around and needed.

Cash will become obsolete as the global economy pushes further into every individuals life. It is inevitable. A true global economy can not function on paper money. It is simply too slow of a process to transfer, print and destroy paper money, and coins cost more to make than their worth in some cases, causing the people billions of dollars per year. (Looking at you Mr. Penny).

I can go without a wallet every day of the week in California. NFC is accepted in lots of places I go, and while I still carry one credit card and some cash, just in case, I rarely need it. And I do believe that if Verizon and AT&T weren't fracking d#cks about Google Wallet, NFC would be more widespread already. Instead, we have a system supported by the carriers called ISIS, that is over budget, behind schedule and doesn't work.
If Apple does add NFC, it will grow in the US. Assuming the carriers allow it.

daveathall
Apr 22, 2013, 11:10 AM
Define Europe ? I thought the UK wanted out of it ;)

Doesn't everyone. :)

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
Cash will become obsolete as the global economy pushes further into every individuals life. It is inevitable. A true global economy can not function on paper money. It is simply too slow of a process to transfer, print and destroy paper money, and coins cost more to make than their worth in some cases, causing the people billions of dollars per year. (Looking at you Mr. Penny).

I can go without a wallet every day of the week in California. NFC is accepted in lots of places I go, and while I still carry one credit card and some cash, just in case, I rarely need it. And I do believe that if Verizon and AT&T weren't fracking d#cks about Google Wallet, NFC would be more widespread already. Instead, we have a system supported by the carriers called ISIS, that is over budget, behind schedule and doesn't work.
If Apple does add NFC, it will grow in the US. Assuming the carriers allow it.

OK sure whatever you say. I agree At&t and Verizon are screwing everything up with their stupid system. Just let google do their thing. Their systems will be no more secure than Google wallet is.

cynics
Apr 22, 2013, 11:18 AM
I don't know that we will ever be able to do without a wallet completely. As you said there is cash. Sure we have debit and credit cards, but cash will always be around and needed.

I agree. Looking thru my wallet I have a few bucks plus my health and dental cards, random gift cards, gas card for work, bank ID card, drivers license, business cards.....

Regardless getting to my phone is always easier and faster. I like many people have trained myself to get to my phone much faster then my wallet just from it ringing all the time.

TheHateMachine
Apr 22, 2013, 11:19 AM
When I had my GS3 I used it all the time. I have vending machines at work that take NFC, gas stations and various stores around my hospital's and home have the newer Credit Card readers with NFC tappers on the top.

However I got the Note 2 now and there is apparently a problem with Google Wallet and the Note 2. You can get it on there "unofficially" but it is very hit or miss.

As AT&T won't allow use of Google Wallet on my Note 2, I don't use it for payments however, I do have a few NFC tags set up in the house, car that I use to change settings configuration (wifi, Bluetooth, open certain apps, etc). They're certainly handy but find I don't really miss using them if I'm using my iPhone.

The issue is mainly with Google and Samsung from what I gather. You can unofficially sideload it but it is very inconsistent. You also need to add a couple of extra things to your phone including a Gwallet patch and a framework mod I used to have it on my Sprint Note 2 and it was not consistent at all. It would lose the cards occasionally and I could not re add them or it would fail to initialize altogether on the device.

MacRumorUser
Apr 22, 2013, 11:22 AM
Doesn't everyone. :)

Especially Cyprus :D

tbayrgs
Apr 22, 2013, 11:32 AM
However I got the Note 2 now and there is apparently a problem with Google Wallet and the Note 2. You can get it on there "unofficially" but it is very hit or miss.

The issue is mainly with Google and Samsung from what I gather. You can unofficially sideload it but it is very inconsistent. You also need to add a couple of extra things to your phone including a Gwallet patch and a framework mod I used to have it on my Sprint Note 2 and it was not consistent at all. It would lose the cards occasionally and I could not re add them or it would fail to initialize altogether on the device.

Yeah, I looked into it but considering I would be using it very infrequently, wasn't worth the hassle.

jamojamo
Apr 22, 2013, 11:47 AM
If Apple does add NFC, it will grow in the US. Assuming the carriers allow it.

I wish Samsung would start flexing some muscle with the carriers like Apple does and start saying support our NFC implementation. There are other issues like the POS (Point of Sale, although the other meaning applies most of the time too) terminals need to be upgraded in many places.

I hope we aren't too far off in the future to see much wider NFC.

Sylon
Apr 22, 2013, 11:50 AM
Every time I walk in and out of my home. I have a pair of NFC tags near my front door (I could use 1, but I choose to use 2) that turns off my wifi and turns on my lock screen, and vise versa. I also have one near my Jambox speaker that turns on bluetooth and Pandora with a single tap. However, with the Nexus 4's BT issues, I rarely use that one.

0dev
Apr 22, 2013, 12:04 PM
Nope, never. I tried to use it to transfer files between my Nexus and a Galaxy once but I couldn't make it work and since then I just turned it off and left it. Nowhere in the UK supports using it for financial transactions either so it's literally completely useless to me.

zone23
Apr 22, 2013, 12:43 PM
I've used it to change the phone settings like this:

Key chain NFC Chip:

Disables WiFi
Enables Bluetooth
Enables GPS
Sets brightness to auto

Desk NFC Chip

Enables WiFi
Disables Bluetooth
Disables GPS
Sets brightness to min.

On android its all about saving battery.

nickchallis92
Apr 22, 2013, 01:09 PM
in a student house with galaxies all around, using S-beam to share full high-res photos of us clowning around on nights out is the easiest way

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 01:24 PM
I've used it to change the phone settings like this:

Key chain NFC Chip:

Disables WiFi
Enables Bluetooth
Enables GPS
Sets brightness to auto

Desk NFC Chip

Enables WiFi
Disables Bluetooth
Disables GPS
Sets brightness to min.

On android its all about saving battery.

Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

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in a student house with galaxies all around, using S-beam to share full high-res photos of us clowning around on nights out is the easiest way

See that's all well and good - however most of my family and friends have iPhones - so throwing up a picture on a shared photo stream is the easiest way for us.

Assault
Apr 22, 2013, 01:52 PM
Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

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See that's all well and good - however most of my family and friends have iPhones - so throwing up a picture on a shared photo stream is the easiest way for us.

I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 02:00 PM
I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

:rolleyes:

No comment.

jamojamo
Apr 22, 2013, 02:01 PM
automating the monitoring of your toggles.



Hey, this is a family forum, keep it PG-13 please ;)

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 02:04 PM
Hey, this is a family forum, keep it PG-13 please ;)

I re-read it after I posted and thought it sounded funny....lol just didn't know how else to put it :p

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 02:10 PM
I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

tjl3
Apr 22, 2013, 02:23 PM
Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

Standby battery management is terrible on my Nexus 4. I never run tasks side by side between my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5. But I can tell you that if I go from a full charge and just leave my Nexus 4 sitting around (it is my work phone), it will discharge in under 2 days no matter what.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 02:29 PM
Standby battery management is terrible on my Nexus 4. I never run tasks side by side between my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5. But I can tell you that if I go from a full charge and just leave my Nexus 4 sitting around (it is my work phone), it will discharge in under 2 days no matter what.


What about the iPhone? People are always preaching to me about standby battery life, but who cares about that I want to know what a phone can do with battery life when I am using it.

Sorry to keep this thread going in the wrong direction.

Kashsystems
Apr 22, 2013, 02:29 PM
I wish Samsung would start flexing some muscle with the carriers like Apple does and start saying support our NFC implementation. There are other issues like the POS (Point of Sale, although the other meaning applies most of the time too) terminals need to be upgraded in many places.

I hope we aren't too far off in the future to see much wider NFC.

This isn't about carrier or cellphone manufacturing flexing. This is about the payment processors and Visa/Mastercard.

Both Mastercard and Visa want to increase payment processing fees for digital wallets to slow it's growth and make sure they can come up with a plan they can control from the beginning.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 02:31 PM
Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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What about the iPhone? People are always preaching to me about standby battery life, but who cares about that I want to know what a phone can do with battery life when I am using it.

Sorry to keep this thread going in the wrong direction.

Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 02:49 PM
I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.

Ok is just seemed your other post was taking the NFC thing as just a need for android to save battery. I know we have many discussion before about which is better and me and know both know it is all about what you like more.

My screen off more than it is on, but using the iphone sucked up more battery than the nexus 4 does. I ended watching my battery usage time than enjoying the iphone 5. I will every now and again look at battery is setting checking to see how much screen on time I have, but more so I am enjoying the phone. I feel like the nexus 4 has some pretty great standby time. Some of the best I have seen from an android device. It is better at standby than my note 2, the note 2 just has that huge battery so it does not matter.

How long does your battery last in your iPhone 5 vs nexus 4? Also I never use NFC to manage my battery. I don't have bluetooth anything so I keep that off. I keep wifi on at all times because I have it at home, and at work. I did not even keep bluetooth on when I was using the my iphone 5 as my main phone. Also I keep gps on all the time. NFC for me is using for paying for stuff, and transferring information. Not battery management. My battery life is what it is. I get about 15-17 hours on my nexus 4.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 03:03 PM
Ok is just seemed your other post was taking the NFC thing as just a need for android to save battery. I know we have many discussion before about which is better and me and know both know it is all about what you like more.

My screen off more than it is on, but using the iphone sucked up more battery than the nexus 4 does. I ended watching my battery usage time than enjoying the iphone 5. I will every now and again look at battery is setting checking to see how much screen on time I have, but more so I am enjoying the phone. I feel like the nexus 4 has some pretty great standby time. Some of the best I have seen from an android device. It is better at standby than my note 2, the note 2 just has that huge battery so it does not matter.

How long does your battery last in your iPhone 5 vs nexus 4? Also I never use NFC to manage my battery. I don't have bluetooth anything so I keep that off. I keep wifi on at all times because I have it at home, and at work. I did not even keep bluetooth on when I was using the my iphone 5 as my main phone. Also I keep gps on all the time. NFC for me is using for paying for stuff, and transferring information. Not battery management. My battery life is what it is. I get about 15-17 hours on my nexus 4.

My original comment on NFC had nothing to do with battery management. I only reiterated what an Android user said he used NFC for - which was battery management - and simply countered that I don't worry about turning anything on or off on my iPhone 5 and there are other ways to manage the battery on my N4.

I get about the same on my Nexus 4 - maybe a little worse (14-15 hours total with around 4-5 hours on screen) with JuiceDefender giving me a big boost and most things off when I'm not using them.

On the other hand, with everything "on" on my iPhone 5, this is typical:

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 03:11 PM
My original comment on NFC had nothing to do with battery management. I only reiterated what an Android user said he used NFC for - which was battery management - and simply countered that I don't worry about turning anything on or off on my iPhone 5 and there are other ways to manage the battery on my N4.

I get about the same on my Nexus 4 - maybe a little worse (14-15 hours total with around 4-5 hours on screen) with JuiceDefender giving me a big boost and most things off when I'm not using them.

On the other hand, with everything "on" on my iPhone 5, this is typical:

Yea I have not used juicedefender since I had an HTC inspire. So you go about a day and half on one charge on your iphone 5? Based on your picture I used my iPhone 5 way more than you do. My usage was something like 6 hours usage, but I never look much at the standby.

My nexus 4 gets me through the day no problem at all. There have been a few times I had to put it on a short charge just give it a bump, but with the iphone by about 8 or 9 at night it needed a charge or it would die.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 03:13 PM
Yea I have not used juicedefender since I had an HTC inspire. So you go about a day and half on one charge on your iphone 5? Based on your picture I used my iPhone 5 way more than you do. My usage was something like 6 hours usage, but I never look much at the standby.

My nexus 4 gets me through the day no problem at all. There have been a few times I had to put it on a short charge just give it a bump, but with the iphone by about 8 or 9 at night it needed a charge or it would die.

Is 6 hours really "way more" than 5.5 hours? :p I've gone two full days without needing a charge on my iPhone 5 - never come close to that with my Nexus 4.

Yes, both of my phones make it through a day with my usage. I'm fully aware I'm a light-moderate user and understand my use case isn't indicative of everyone's. This is all anecdotal.

There are others who don't understand this - it was to them I was directing my original comments.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 03:37 PM
Is 6 hours really "way more" than 5.5 hours? :p I've gone two full days without needing a charge on my iPhone 5 - never come close to that with my Nexus 4.

Yes, both of my phones make it through a day with my usage. I'm fully aware I'm a light-moderate user and understand my use case isn't indicative of everyone's. This is all anecdotal.

There are others who don't understand this - it was to them I was directing my original comments.

Yea the difference between your 5.5 and my 6 is your standby is over a day. I had nothing close to that. Again who cares I was just curious about how you used your phone. I am not trying to say one is better. I just wanted to give my experience.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 03:41 PM
Yea the difference between your 5.5 and my 6 is your standby is over a day. I had nothing close to that. Again who cares I was just curious about how you used your phone. I am not trying to say one is better. I just wanted to give my experience.

Sure thing - I understand :D

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 03:53 PM
Sure thing - I understand :D

I do really like having these discussions we have. You have a ton of good insight into ios, but we always seem to discuss on the wrong threads or in the middle of arguments. I would just start a new thread, but the last one I did I got the "bmac with another" comments.

b166er
Apr 22, 2013, 03:55 PM
It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

Assault
Apr 22, 2013, 03:59 PM
I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.
Again, you just try and try to slam Android and its users with biased b.s. And it appears that you are left with Napoleon's syndrome. Seriously, if you have to resort to justifying your manhood with regards to a phone, you have some more serious issues that would require professional help.

And I don't carry a charging cable around with me (you have to be a complete moron to carry a cable around with you, especially when the S3 has a replaceable battery. But I guess there are some pretty stupid people out there that can't figure that out.)

As for your claimed use of a Nexus 4, it is obvious you haven't a clue about Android. JuiceDefender is an obsolete app designed for phones prior to ICS. People that use JuiceDefender and have a phone running Jelly Bean, are actually screwing with the OS unnecessarily by using it. (Do you even know what Juice Defender does to your phone, in order to get its claimed battery savings?) I bet you use a Task Killer app too. At least now I know you have zero credibility with regards to your knowledge of Android.

Gonna have to put you on my ignore list. Anything you say regarding Android should be dismissed by anyone on this board. I mean, your signature is an obvious indicator of what you prefer, and why you make outlandish claims about Android, Samsung and its users.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 04:02 PM
It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

Verizon does not, but with At&t it all depends on what phone you are using. I stick to the nexus devices for the most part to get things right from google. I am using the nexus 4 with an At&t sim, and I am using NFC without a problem at all. Now my Note 2 on an At&t contract will not let me use NFC.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 04:07 PM
Again, you just try and try to slam Android and its users with biased b.s. And it appears that you are left with Napoleon's syndrome. Seriously, if you have to resort to justifying your manhood with regards to a phone, you have some more serious issues that would require professional help.

Lol....someone doesn't like to read. When did I ever say I justify my manhood in such a way? Based on comments like yours, it would seem that there are people who do though.....those were the people I was referring to.

I never slammed any INTELLIGENT Android user - and they know that.

And I don't carry a charging cable around with me (you have to be a complete moron to carry a cable around with you, especially when the S3 has a replaceable battery. But I guess there are some pretty stupid people out there that can't figure that out.)

Or the phone comes with the cable, and they rather not purchase and carry two extra batteries around? Again, because someone doesn't do something YOUR way, they are stupid and a complete moron.....what a tool you must be.

As for your claimed use of a Nexus 4, it is obvious you haven't a clue about Android. JuiceDefender is an obsolete app designed for phones prior to ICS. People that use JuiceDefender and have a phone running Jelly Bean, are actually screwing with the OS unnecessarily by using it. (Do you even know what Juice Defender does to your phone, in order to get its claimed battery savings?) I bet you use a Task Killer app too. At least now I know you have zero credibility with regards to your knowledge of Android.

Hmm....ok. I guess I'll go back to NOT using JuiceDefender, when my N4 couldn't make it through the day (yes even after the 4.2.2 update). I tested numerous "battery saving" apps, read reviews and haven't had any issue yet with JuiceDefender. I'm on stock - not rooted (don't care to be).

No I don't use a task killer app.

Gonna have to put you on my ignore list. Anything you say regarding Android should be dismissed by anyone on this board. I mean, your signature is an obvious indicator of what you prefer, and why you make outlandish claims about Android, Samsung and its users.

Lol, I think anyone who's read even your posts here knows I'm not the one making outlandish claims. What did I even say that was outlandish? Simply by stating that everyone has their anecdotal evidence and therefore one should take those "facts" with a grain of salt? Excuse me for injecting some common sense into this discussion....

To be honest, I'm convinced you couldn't come up with any counter to what I said and simply needed to continue to put someone else down for not thinking as you do. When you can counter the points I made, one-by-one, I'll actually acknowledge you aren't a trolling idiot.

Until then, happy to be on your ignore list ;)

tjl3
Apr 22, 2013, 04:08 PM
It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

I think we'll eventually go that route, but it's a generational thing. There are too many barriers to overcome to go to a all mobile device/no wallet type of system. Some of those being: 1) infrastructure; 2) a lot of misinformation; 3) learning curve; and 4) unwillingness to adopt newer technology.

A few generations from now I think it would be more widely accepted and used, but for existing ones it is tough to see them adopting new methods to something they've used all their lives.

For rental cars or hotels, it's all about infrastructure. If we eventually moved away from physical cards, you can bet there would be some other form of verification established. Like maybe you pay w/ your phone via NFC and it downloads information to them automatically.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 04:12 PM
I think we'll eventually go that route, but it's a generational thing. There are too many barriers to overcome to go to a all mobile device/no wallet type of system. Some of those being: 1) infrastructure; 2) a lot of misinformation; 3) learning curve; and 4) unwillingness to adopt newer technology.

A few generations from now I think it would be more widely accepted and used, but for existing ones it is tough to see them adopting new methods to something they've used all their lives.

For rental cars or hotels, it's all about infrastructure. If we eventually moved away from physical cards, you can bet there would be some other form of verification established. Like maybe you pay w/ your phone via NFC and it downloads information to them automatically.

Agreed - like electric car charging stations - someone has to give way first to propel the technology into mass use. Either the infrastructure changes first and causes/allows the public to mass-adopt the tech or the public forces the infrastructure to change by mass-adopting on their own.

Otherwise, we're here in the "NFC is cool, but not terribly useful or convenient" stage.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 04:14 PM
Lol....someone doesn't like to read. When did I ever say I justify my manhood in such a way? Based on comments like yours, it would seem that there are people who do though.....those were the people I referring to.



Or the phone comes with the cable, and they rather not purchase and carry two extra batteries around? Again, because someone doesn't do something YOUR way, they are stupid and a complete moron.....what a tool you must be.



Hmm....ok. I guess I'll go back to NOT using JuiceDefender, when my N4 couldn't make it through the day (yes even after the 4.2.2 update). I tested numerous "battery saving" apps, read reviews and haven't had any issue yet with JuiceDefender.

No I don't use a task killer app.



Lol, I think anyone who's read even your posts here knows I'm not the one making outlandish claims. What did I even say that was outlandish? Simply by stating that everyone has their anecdotal evidence and therefore one should take those "facts" with a grain of salt? Excuse me for injecting some common sense into this discussion....

jrswizzle it is clear Assault did not go about is response in the best way, but if does bring up a question I have regarding your battery life on your nexus 4. You really should not be using juicedefender because like Assualt said in not such a nice way there is not need for it after ICS. Are you syncing a lot of stuff? Do you have some kind of corporate email syncing to your nexus 4?

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 04:24 PM
jrswizzle it is clear Assault did not go about is response in the best way, but if does bring up a question I have regarding your battery life on your nexus 4. You really should not be using juicedefender because like Assualt said in not such a nice way there is not need for it after ICS. Are you syncing a lot of stuff? Do you have some kind of corporate email syncing to your nexus 4?

I don't manage ANYTHING. Keep in mind, I run simple, stock Android - no roms or rooting.

From what I've read, JuicDefender (and apps like it - which I tried) don't offer much benefit over other ROMs, which I totally get.

However, for me I've noticed a BIG improvement in battery life from not using it to using it on stock on my N4. To be quite honest, I don't give a crap about how it works - I have everything syncing (or at least that's how I left it before JD took over) and I don't turn my wifi on/off or anything else - JD does when I connect and leave my home network.

I haven't experienced ANY ill effect from the app. Despite the condescending nature of his post, I'll readily admit I'm not a rooter - don't know about all that. I DO know the issue with the N4's battery life had to do with a bug that affected the waking while on wifi/data network. 4.2.2 fixed the wifi part, but you'll still experience more drain than normal when on a data network (and yes, I understand you'll experience varied battery drain based on signal strength).

All that to say, when I used other "battery savers", they didn't work well. When I used nothing, I had battery life issues. JD allows me to leave everything on sync (which it then manages - the point being I don't have to manually poll everything) and I get great battery life (at least great enough for me). But hey - how about this, I'll try it again without JD and let you know how it goes - since you're a level-headed, calm intelligent forum goer.

And I'll continue to enjoy my smartphones (BOTH OF THEM) despite the musings of some toolbag on the internet.

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 04:55 PM
I don't manage ANYTHING. Keep in mind, I run simple, stock Android - no roms or rooting.

From what I've read, JuicDefender (and apps like it - which I tried) don't offer much benefit over other ROMs, which I totally get.

However, for me I've noticed a BIG improvement in battery life from not using it to using it on stock on my N4. To be quite honest, I don't give a crap about how it works - I have everything syncing (or at least that's how I left it before JD took over) and I don't turn my wifi on/off or anything else - JD does when I connect and leave my home network.

I haven't experienced ANY ill effect from the app. Despite the condescending nature of his post, I'll readily admit I'm not a rooter - don't know about all that. I DO know the issue with the N4's battery life had to do with a bug that affected the waking while on wifi/data network. 4.2.2 fixed the wifi part, but you'll still experience more drain than normal when on a data network (and yes, I understand you'll experience varied battery drain based on signal strength).

All that to say, when I used other "battery savers", they didn't work well. When I used nothing, I had battery life issues. JD allows me to leave everything on sync (which it then manages - the point being I don't have to manually poll everything) and I get great battery life (at least great enough for me). But hey - how about this, I'll try it again without JD and let you know how it goes - since you're a level-headed, calm intelligent forum goer.

And I'll continue to enjoy my smartphones (BOTH OF THEM) despite the musings of some toolbag on the internet.

Sure thing. Don't do bit just for me I don't want you to mess anything up. I understand you wanting to use it cause you can just let it manage things. I guess what he was trying to say was. Back in the gingerbread and earlier days you had to manage apps like crazy to save battery. Apps like JD did that for you. After ICS android shuts down apps that are not bing used for you. It become much smarter after ICS. More like iOS. You may already know all this and if so then sorry. Also I would suggest checking out and registering for androidforums.com great site for android stuff.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 04:59 PM
Sure thing. Don't do bit just for me I don't want you to mess anything up. I understand you wanting to use it cause you can just let it manage things. I guess what he was trying to say was. Back in the gingerbread and earlier days you had to manage apps like crazy to save battery. Apps like JD did that for you. After ICS android shuts down apps that are not bing used for you. It become much smarter after ICS. More like iOS. You may already know all this and if so then sorry. Also I would suggest checking out and registering for androidforums.com great site for android stuff.

Sure I understand - its not only apps that are the issue. In fact, the battery drainer on the N4 was the wireless network connection (both wifi and data pre-4.2.2).

After 4.2.2, I've read (on XDA) that the wifi issues were fixed, however there were still issues with the cellular. Being that I haven't done extensive testing since 4.2.2, I'll try it out. Simple to disable - I didn't uninstall it. We'll see how it goes.

I got into it with Assault in another thread - basically, if I make any comment that says something to the effect that Samsung isn't the greatest ever, I get extremely harsh responses that don't address in the slightest anything I've posted. No biggie :)

bmac4
Apr 22, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sure I understand - its not only apps that are the issue. In fact, the battery drainer on the N4 was the wireless network connection (both wifi and data pre-4.2.2).

After 4.2.2, I've read (on XDA) that the wifi issues were fixed, however there were still issues with the cellular. Being that I haven't done extensive testing since 4.2.2, I'll try it out. Simple to disable - I didn't uninstall it. We'll see how it goes.

I got into it with Assault in another thread - basically, if I make any comment that says something to the effect that Samsung isn't the greatest ever, I get extremely harsh responses that don't address in the slightest anything I've posted. No biggie :)

Yea I understand let md know what you find. Also really do check out android forums. Even if you don't register read some of threads with know issues. That's where I go.

Assault
Apr 22, 2013, 08:55 PM
Yea I understand let md know what you find. Also really do check out android forums. Even if you don't register read some of threads with know issues. That's where I go.

Bmac4 and anyone else, be careful of anything jrswizzle says regarding Android. He simply makes info up and has self admitted he doesnt know anything about the OS. I'm not even sure why he continues to post in this section, other than to continually slam Android and Android based phones.

Last thing I want to see is someone screwing up their phone because they listened to anything this guy says. He's simply trolling and that is why I put him on ignore. I suggest others do the same.

jrswizzle
Apr 22, 2013, 11:11 PM
Bmac4 and anyone else, be careful of anything jrswizzle says regarding Android. He simply makes info up and has self admitted he doesnt know anything about the OS. I'm not even sure why he continues to post in this section, other than to continually slam Android and Android based phones.

Last thing I want to see is someone screwing up their phone because they listened to anything this guy says. He's simply trolling and that is why I put him on ignore. I suggest others do the same.

*sigh* let's see - you've been here all of a month, I've been posting since last year.

I like and use both platforms and have never told anyone to do something to their device (on the contrary I tend to tell.people to do what they want and prefer).

You ignore facts and make baseless accusations without actually being able to give any concrete reasons to back up your claims.

I know you can't see this - just makes me feel better contradicting this nonsense. Luckily for me, most of the posters here are smart enough to see through your charade.

droidbook
Apr 24, 2013, 11:38 AM
lol Im not even sure if my droid can use it cause I never tried, Im scared to use it for security reason and really dont see any need to... very easy for me to use real money or actual credit card. lol these smart phones are making people lazy now going into future

The iGentleman
Apr 24, 2013, 11:46 AM
lol Im not even sure if my droid can use it cause I never tried, Im scared to use it for security reason and really dont see any need to... very easy for me to use real money or actual credit card. lol these smart phones are making people lazy now going into future

You think a physical credit card is safer than NFC?

cynics
Apr 24, 2013, 01:14 PM
Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

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I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/25/ra5adubu.jpg

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

jrswizzle
Apr 24, 2013, 01:18 PM
I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/25/ra5adubu.jpg)

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

Agreed - I was speaking specifically related to battery life. I do toggle these settings from time to time as well.

I guess I'm just used to these things and a few extra taps doesn't really ruffle my feathers enough to overlook the REAL reasons I like the phones I do.

That said - wouldn't mind in the slightest if Apple added some sort of "quick toggles" menu - lord knows they could do it pretty easily and it wouldn't contradict any of their current marketing/philosophy. Heck the whole settings menu could use a refresh.....something I think we'll see in iveOS 7

bmac4
Apr 24, 2013, 01:22 PM
I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

Image (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/25/ra5adubu.jpg)

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

Have location found that easy by taking a picture is crazy. I will remember that from now on.

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Agreed - I was speaking specifically related to battery life. I do toggle these settings from time to time as well.

I guess I'm just used to these things and a few extra taps doesn't really ruffle my feathers enough to overlook the REAL reasons I like the phones I do.

That said - wouldn't mind in the slightest if Apple added some sort of "quick toggles" menu - lord knows they could do it pretty easily and it wouldn't contradict any of their current marketing/philosophy. Heck the whole settings menu could use a refresh.....something I think we'll see in iveOS 7

Do you think they have not done quick toggles or things like that because they don't want to look like they were wrong, or that they are following another OS like Google? I am not saying they are copying Google just that maybe their own pride of someone saying told you so.

b166er
Apr 24, 2013, 03:29 PM
Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

bmac4
Apr 24, 2013, 03:33 PM
Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

Yes most of the carriers block Google wallet. They have their on mobile payment systems.

LIVEFRMNYC
Apr 24, 2013, 03:47 PM
Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

You would need to use a custom rom. I'm using a TouchWiz custom rom and installed Google Wallet on it just fine.