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pionata
Oct 27, 2005, 11:43 AM
Just wondering, do you beleive it will be possible to send a 1080i or 1080p signal using the avalaible adapters to a cinema display 23 at full res? There is like a 80 pixels difference...

Im freaking out at the idea of having a ps3 on that awesome monitor.

pionata
Oct 27, 2005, 10:43 PM
Thoses are the converters I was talking about in case you didn't understand my question:

http://www.monstercable.com/productPage.asp?pin=2377

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_adapt.html

http://www.htmarket.com/hdtodviad.html

TheMonarch
Oct 27, 2005, 10:44 PM
FYI, Xbox 2 connects through VGA, ACDs are DVI.

pionata
Oct 27, 2005, 10:57 PM
FYI, Xbox 2 connects through VGA, ACDs are DVI.

PLAYSTATION 3

Video Output:
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1

I heard the xbox 360 is digital out also... vga is just the crap option for both system.

TheMonarch
Oct 27, 2005, 11:07 PM
PLAYSTATION 3

Video Output:
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1

I heard the xbox 360 is digital out also... vga is just the crap option for both system.

1) I never said anything about the PS3
2)
33555

pionata
Oct 27, 2005, 11:17 PM
Damn that suck the xbox 360 only support analog on release...

Anyway I wanted to get the ps3... But the real question I had in mind is more like this now:

When you plug hdmi into the cinema display, does the display adjust to fit the best resolution, or does it fit the resolution it can just under?

1080i is 1920x1080 while the cinema display support 1920x1200...

Nevermind, I think I just understood looking at the apple site, its called Cinema HD display (Must support HD tv I guess) ... NICE

ftaok
Oct 28, 2005, 08:35 AM
Nevermind, I think I just understood looking at the apple site, its called Cinema HD display (Must support HD tv I guess) ... NICE
Not exactly true. Just because Apple labels the monitor as "HD", doesn't mean it supports HDTV.

Seeing as how the PS3 will support HDTV resolutions, you need to find out whether the 23" ACD supports them as well. I just check the tech spec at Apple and they don't mention supporting HDTV signals. What you need to look for is 1920x1080@60hz.

Alternatively, you could buy a real 22"/23" HDTV (although you'd be hardpressed to find 1920x1080) for less money. And it would probably have a faster response time (good for video games). The older Samsung LTP227W can be had for less than $800 these days and I do believe that they have component and DVI inputs (no HDMI).

ft

Uma888
Oct 28, 2005, 10:20 AM
Not exactly true. Just because Apple labels the monitor as "HD", doesn't mean it supports HDTV.

Seeing as how the PS3 will support HDTV resolutions, you need to find out whether the 23" ACD supports them as well. I just check the tech spec at Apple and they don't mention supporting HDTV signals. What you need to look for is 1920x1080@60hz.

Alternatively, you could buy a real 22"/23" HDTV (although you'd be hardpressed to find 1920x1080) for less money. And it would probably have a faster response time (good for video games). The older Samsung LTP227W can be had for less than $800 these days and I do believe that they have component and DVI inputs (no HDMI).

ft

Im looking for that combo aswell, a 26"-28" HDTV, that supports 1920*1080 + HDCP (for my Future Sky + HD box) + a <16ms response time, These tvs dont exist apparently :confused: (Have been searching for a long time)

If you know of any, please let me know

NOTE: sorry for going off topic:o

mr_austin
Oct 28, 2005, 10:51 AM
the dell 2405 is 24" rather than 23", has DVI and component in, and supports 1080i and 720p... (complete with picture in picture).

Plus, if you look on dealmac, you can get it for like 300 bucks less than the cinema display. a little black magic marker action, and that dell logo is gone...

http://dealmac.com/search.html?search=dell+2405

currently, you can get it for 779....

http://dealmac.com/deals/Renewed-Dell-LCD-display-deals-17-for-195-19-for-230-20-from-427/98673.html

I love apple, and love the look of the cinema display, but there are a lot of people like me and the original poster who want a HDTV and a new monitor...

-a

ftaok
Oct 28, 2005, 01:23 PM
the dell 2405 is 24" rather than 23", has DVI and component in, and supports 1080i and 720p... (complete with picture in picture).

Plus, if you look on dealmac, you can get it for like 300 bucks less than the cinema display. a little black magic marker action, and that dell logo is gone...

http://dealmac.com/search.html?search=dell+2405

currently, you can get it for 779....

http://dealmac.com/deals/Renewed-Dell-LCD-display-deals-17-for-195-19-for-230-20-from-427/98673.html

I love apple, and love the look of the cinema display, but there are a lot of people like me and the original poster who want a HDTV and a new monitor...

-aMr. Austin,

Nice call. I've heard lots of great reviews for the Dell 24". I didn't realize that it can take 720p/1080i. But just to clarify my first post, I didn't mean to say that the 23"ACD doesn't take 720p/1080i, just that I hadn't heard one way or another.

ft

mr_austin
Oct 28, 2005, 01:41 PM
But just to clarify my first post, I didn't mean to say that the 23"ACD doesn't take 720p/1080i, just that I hadn't heard one way or another.
ft

I'm 99% sure it doesn't. It seems to work with the Dell, even with a HDMI -> DVI cable. You prob could get it to work with a scaler, but that's just adding more cost...

It's most likely moot, since most things putting out DVI for HDTV will use HDCP, which neither support - i don't think any computer montitor does. Note how in the post below, the preview channels are blacked out - HDCP in action. Blu-ray/HDDVD will definitely support this as well, so i'd get it as a monitor first and tv second... unclear about xbox 360 or PS3...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=592370

pionata
Oct 28, 2005, 02:16 PM
Some people in a forum said you need a scaler like this :

http://startech.com/ststore/itemdetail.cfm?ProductID=VID2DVIDTV&mt=


Here it says HDTV Ready :

http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/overview/index__cat_id--416,prod_id--92968148.html

Basicly after reading a bit on the net, it might work but not using the full screen, so to do that you need an hardware scaler. There is a scaler inside the dell monitor I beleive.

Achithyn
Oct 28, 2005, 03:47 PM
Well, I didn't read all the replies, though just wanted to through this into the mix where it may help or may not - not sure...

x2vga+
http://www.x2vga.com/

I don't know if this will work on a mac, though it should work on a normal PC monitor. Hope it helps somehow... lol.

~Achi

pionata
Oct 28, 2005, 06:29 PM
Thx, but thats for vga monitors, not digitals.

I guess when the playstation 3 is released someone will make an adapter for it if there is any problem.

pionata
Oct 29, 2005, 06:05 PM
Sorry for bumping this up again, but I found an adapter that can translate HDTV on the old ADC apple cinema displays, so I guess it would work on the new ones also.
It is not so expensive:

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/hdmi-2x1-switch.htm

DISCOMUNICATION
Oct 30, 2005, 08:47 PM
Samsung makes 3 LCD PC monitors with HDCP DVI ports as well as other tv features. The 930MP, 940MW, and 242MP. The 242MP sounds closest to what you want. It was originally nearly $5000 upon release, but can now be had for around $1500 if you shop around.

listed the specs and diffs on this thread:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=111609&highlight=940mw