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KAB2010
May 1, 2013, 11:27 PM
I use the iPhone 5, but have used many Android devices from basically all the major manufacturers. The One and GS4 had me very curious about switching, unfortunately they couldn't quite sway me enough yet. Keep in mind, I only used them briefly in stores, but have researched and read forums in depth. This will be my opinion and you may find it subjective.

GS4: amazing screen to body ratio, very vivid. not as fast as it should be, noticed some lag but nothing major. very thin and feels well built. touchwiz menus are very subpar, the blue bars at the top are just plain ugly. quick settings in notification are great. menu button on the left is nice to have. the space between the dock and the first app row is horrible, so much wasted space and no excuse for this. it simply does not make sense.

HTC One: best screen quality ever. very accurate and true to life, and more usable in sunlight. the screen to body ratio makes the screen seem smaller than it is, and it is a little too narrow like the iPhone 5. much more fluid and quicker than the GS4 while just scrolling around and clicking through things. I'm not a big fan of Sense 5. forcing facebook into pictures, not allowing to disable blinkfeed without root, and screwing up the ease of adding icons to homescreen is ridiculous. these people get paid to get these things right, I don't get paid for that and still could've given them this simple advice.

I like Android and iOS equally, but if the iPhone allowed me to set default apps, add quick settings to the notification center without jailbreak, and made the screen bigger I'd be perfectly happy and not want to switch. I did give these two Android phones a chance to sway me, and the little annoyances they had hindered it. I'm not interested in rooting and jumping through hoops to make things work as they should. When I pay top dollar, it should work mostly perfect as is.

(note: I know this wasn't typed very neatly, but I was just writing everything down as it came to my mind. I apologize if it's annoying to read lol.)



The iGentleman
May 2, 2013, 12:18 AM
I use the iPhone 5, but have used many Android devices from basically all the major manufacturers. The One and GS4 had me very curious about switching, unfortunately they couldn't quite sway me enough yet. Keep in mind, I only used them briefly in stores, but have researched and read forums in depth. This will be my opinion and you may find it subjective.

GS4: amazing screen to body ratio, very vivid. not as fast as it should be, noticed some lag but nothing major. very thin and feels well built. touchwiz menus are very subpar, the blue bars at the top are just plain ugly. quick settings in notification are great. menu button on the left is nice to have. the space between the dock and the first app row is horrible, so much wasted space and no excuse for this. it simply does not make sense.

HTC One: best screen quality ever. very accurate and true to life, and more usable in sunlight. the screen to body ratio makes the screen seem smaller than it is, and it is a little too narrow like the iPhone 5. much more fluid and quicker than the GS4 while just scrolling around and clicking through things. I'm not a big fan of Sense 5. forcing facebook into pictures, not allowing to disable blinkfeed without root, and screwing up the ease of adding icons to homescreen is ridiculous. these people get paid to get these things right, I don't get paid for that and still could've given them this simple advice.

I like Android and iOS equally, but if the iPhone allowed me to set default apps, add quick settings to the notification center without jailbreak, and made the screen bigger I'd be perfectly happy and not want to switch. I did give these two Android phones a chance to sway me, and the little annoyances they had hindered it. I'm not interested in rooting and jumping through hoops to make things work as they should. When I pay top dollar, it should work mostly perfect as is.

(note: I know this wasn't typed very neatly, but I was just writing everything down as it came to my mind. I apologize if it's annoying to read lol.)


My question is, why don't you hold all phones to the same standard? It seems that the shortcomings you found on the GS4 and the One are inexcusable, yet the iPhone's are excusable. What makes one okay and the other not okay? You say you're not interested in "rooting and jumping through hoops", yet 2 of the 3 things you complained about with the iPhone would require a jailbreak to remedy (and the third can't be fixed). Are you willing to jailbreak to remedy those things, or do you just give the a pass? If the answer is yes, then why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones? If the answer is no, my question remains the same, why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones?

Ddyracer
May 2, 2013, 12:18 AM
I use the iPhone 5, but have used many Android devices from basically all the major manufacturers. The One and GS4 had me very curious about switching, unfortunately they couldn't quite sway me enough yet. Keep in mind, I only used them briefly in stores, but have researched and read forums in depth. This will be my opinion and you may find it subjective.

GS4: amazing screen to body ratio, very vivid. not as fast as it should be, noticed some lag but nothing major. very thin and feels well built. touchwiz menus are very subpar, the blue bars at the top are just plain ugly. quick settings in notification are great. menu button on the left is nice to have. the space between the dock and the first app row is horrible, so much wasted space and no excuse for this. it simply does not make sense.

HTC One: best screen quality ever. very accurate and true to life, and more usable in sunlight. the screen to body ratio makes the screen seem smaller than it is, and it is a little too narrow like the iPhone 5. much more fluid and quicker than the GS4 while just scrolling around and clicking through things. I'm not a big fan of Sense 5. forcing facebook into pictures, not allowing to disable blinkfeed without root, and screwing up the ease of adding icons to homescreen is ridiculous. these people get paid to get these things right, I don't get paid for that and still could've given them this simple advice.

I like Android and iOS equally, but if the iPhone allowed me to set default apps, add quick settings to the notification center without jailbreak, and made the screen bigger I'd be perfectly happy and not want to switch. I did give these two Android phones a chance to sway me, and the little annoyances they had hindered it. I'm not interested in rooting and jumping through hoops to make things work as they should. When I pay top dollar, it should work mostly perfect as is.

(note: I know this wasn't typed very neatly, but I was just writing everything down as it came to my mind. I apologize if it's annoying to read lol.)

You need to seriously take a look at the N4 made by LG and Google. It has none of this stupid skins shenanigans and pure jelly is fast, and has little lag.

Heck, the ole nexus is so smooth and I assume the N4 is a bit more speedy.

Fernandez21
May 2, 2013, 12:38 AM
My question is, why don't you hold all phones to the same standard? It seems that the shortcomings you found on the GS4 and the One are inexcusable, yet the iPhone's are excusable. What makes one okay and the other not okay? You say you're not interested in "rooting and jumping through hoops", yet 2 of the 3 things you complained about with the iPhone would require a jailbreak to remedy (and the third can't be fixed). Are you willing to jailbreak to remedy those things, or do you just give the a pass? If the answer is yes, then why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones? If the answer is no, my question remains the same, why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones?

You do realize that not all short comings are created equal for everyone, right? For me a non removable battery is no big deal, for others they are deal breakers. So maybe those 3 things he complained about on the iPhone aren't as big a deal as the ones he complained about the HTC One and S4.

The iGentleman
May 2, 2013, 12:39 AM
You do realize that not all short comings are created equal for everyone, right? For me a non removable battery is no big deal, for others they are deal breakers. So maybe those 3 things he complained about on the iPhone aren't as big a deal as the ones he complained about the HTC One and S4.

..hence why I asked HIM why.. :eek:

Zwhaler
May 2, 2013, 01:11 AM
I still think the Note 2 is better than all 3 of those phones :D

1. iPhone: screen is too small for my liking and I much prefer Android after switching over which is of course a personal preference. Speaker quality is way worse on the iPhone plus no HD YouTube videos over LTE in native app you have to be kidding me. Lack of inertial scrolling in apps bugs me too, but that's a small issue.

2. HTC One: I dislike Sense strongly and the screen was nice but the trade off isn't worth it for me. I like TouchWiz quick settings and overall UI much better, plus the battery life on the One isn't as good.

3. Galaxy S4: I checked it out and the screen is really nice, even though when I look closely I can see the diagonal diamond subpixel arrangement and like RGB better, the phone didn't feel any faster than my Note 2 even though the GS4 is at 1.9GHz. Certain apps like Reddit Sync Pro feel much better on the Note 2 maybe I'm just so used to it, also web browsing was okay on the GS4 but I'm used to a larger screen for such tasks and they don't work as well on a sub 5" screen in my opinion.

strausd
May 2, 2013, 01:18 AM
I still think the Note 2 is better than all 3 of those phones :D

1. iPhone: screen is too small for my liking and I much prefer Android after switching over which is of course a personal preference. Speaker quality is way worse on the iPhone plus no HD YouTube videos over LTE in native app you have to be kidding me. Lack of inertial scrolling in apps bugs me too, but that's a small issue.

2. HTC One: I dislike Sense strongly and the screen was nice but the trade off isn't worth it for me. I like TouchWiz quick settings and overall UI much better, plus the battery life on the One isn't as good.

3. Galaxy S4: I checked it out and the screen is really nice, even though when I look closely I can see the diagonal diamond subpixel arrangement and like RGB better, the phone didn't feel any faster than my Note 2 even though the GS4 is at 1.9GHz. Certain apps like Reddit Sync Pro feel much better on the Note 2 maybe I'm just so used to it, also web browsing was okay on the GS4 but I'm used to a larger screen for such tasks and they don't work as well on a sub 5" screen in my opinion.

A Note 2 will also give him an excuse to go shopping for new pants with larger pockets. Talk about a win win ;)

LIVEFRMNYC
May 2, 2013, 01:19 AM
My question is, why don't you hold all phones to the same standard? It seems that the shortcomings you found on the GS4 and the One are inexcusable, yet the iPhone's are excusable. What makes one okay and the other not okay? You say you're not interested in "rooting and jumping through hoops", yet 2 of the 3 things you complained about with the iPhone would require a jailbreak to remedy (and the third can't be fixed). Are you willing to jailbreak to remedy those things, or do you just give the a pass? If the answer is yes, then why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones? If the answer is no, my question remains the same, why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones?

A great point that many should consider.

adder7712
May 2, 2013, 01:21 AM
Load up custom AOKP/AOSP roms on both and they both will be silky smooth. That can be said for my old S II, which now runs SuperNexus.

KAB2010
May 2, 2013, 11:10 AM
My question is, why don't you hold all phones to the same standard? It seems that the shortcomings you found on the GS4 and the One are inexcusable, yet the iPhone's are excusable. What makes one okay and the other not okay? You say you're not interested in "rooting and jumping through hoops", yet 2 of the 3 things you complained about with the iPhone would require a jailbreak to remedy (and the third can't be fixed). Are you willing to jailbreak to remedy those things, or do you just give the a pass? If the answer is yes, then why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones? If the answer is no, my question remains the same, why doesn't the same standard apply to other phones?

Quick settings and default app abilities are nice, but not a deal breaker. Safari works very well as does the messaging app, which are two things I might would want to change depending on the android phone. The screen size is the only thing that really kills me. That's where the GS4 wowed me. Also, I'd have to buy off contract so by selling my iphone 5 on eBay it would still cost around 100-150 so I need a great reason to do so.

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You need to seriously take a look at the N4 made by LG and Google. It has none of this stupid skins shenanigans and pure jelly is fast, and has little lag.

Heck, the ole nexus is so smooth and I assume the N4 is a bit more speedy.

I tried the Nexus. Wonderful phone except for the HORRIBLE camera quality. My iphone 4 took better pics, and of course my iphone 5 does. I really don't know why that bothers me cause I hardly take pictures. I guess I just would rather have it and not need it than not have it when I may need it.

jamezr
May 2, 2013, 11:15 AM
A Note 2 will also give him an excuse to go shopping for new pants with larger pockets. Talk about a win win ;)
Almost spit out my coffee.....:)

Stuntman06
May 2, 2013, 02:26 PM
the space between the dock and the first app row is horrible, so much wasted space and no excuse for this. it simply does not make sense.

I didn't like this either. What I ended up doing is install an alternate launcher. It allowed me to use that space by adding an extra row for screen objects (icons or widgets).

KAB2010
May 2, 2013, 05:25 PM
I didn't like this either. What I ended up doing is install an alternate launcher. It allowed me to use that space by adding an extra row for screen objects (icons or widgets).

The problem I have with alternate launchers is they don't replace anything except for the home screen (and maybe the app launcher?). Settings and what not still won't go together with it. I don't know enough about rooting to feel comfortable going that route. While there are threads about root, I haven't seen any that answer all of my simple questions in simple terminology.

chagla
May 2, 2013, 09:35 PM
... I did give these two Android phones a chance to sway me, and the little annoyances they had hindered it. I'm not interested in rooting and jumping through hoops to make things work as they should. When I pay top dollar, it should work mostly perfect as is.

(note: I know this wasn't typed very neatly, but I was just writing everything down as it came to my mind. I apologize if it's annoying to read lol.)

who says you have to "root" Android phone to make it "work"? it's really a misconception. on ios jailbreak is a must and the first thing one must do. on Android, "rooting" is for hardcore geeks because 97% of the customizations do NOT require any technical knowledge or rooting.

it's just a matter of downloading the preferred app from the market.

you have many choices, you don't have to download replacement apps from market if you don't want.

can you tell us what actually doesn't work on android that requires you to root?

dwaynewilliams
May 2, 2013, 09:39 PM
I saw the HTC One in the store and was really looking forward to the phone being a thing of beauty. A lot of tech sites said that it was the best looking smartphone ever made, even better than the iPhone 5. I have to admit, it is an attractive device, but it isn't as good looking as the iPhone 5. Don't believe the hype.

sc4rf4c3
May 2, 2013, 10:25 PM
I saw the HTC One in the store and was really looking forward to the phone being a thing of beauty. A lot of tech sites said that it was the best looking smartphone ever made, even better than the iPhone 5. I have to admit, it is an attractive device, but it isn't as good looking as the iPhone 5. Don't believe the hype.

So we should believe you?

KAB2010
May 2, 2013, 11:00 PM
who says you have to "root" Android phone to make it "work"? it's really a misconception. on ios jailbreak is a must and the first thing one must do. on Android, "rooting" is for hardcore geeks because 97% of the customizations do NOT require any technical knowledge or rooting.

it's just a matter of downloading the preferred app from the market.

you have many choices, you don't have to download replacement apps from market if you don't want.

can you tell us what actually doesn't work on android that requires you to root?

Annoyances that would require root most likely:
Well on the HTC One.. turning the back key into a menu button, disabling the annoying black menu bar on screen, disabling facebook integration while keeping the stock gallery without completely deleting the facebook app I regularly use.
On the S4, making it lag much less without having to disable everything on the phone.
On the Nexus 4, increasing battery life with a better kernel, and making the display calibrated correctly.

David58117
May 3, 2013, 01:40 AM
Annoyances that would require root most likely:
Well on the HTC One.. turning the back key into a menu button, disabling the annoying black menu bar on screen, disabling facebook integration while keeping the stock gallery without completely deleting the facebook app I regularly use.
On the S4, making it lag much less without having to disable everything on the phone.
On the Nexus 4, increasing battery life with a better kernel, and making the display calibrated correctly.

I havent used an s4, but if its like the s3 - the "lag" is actually transition speed. Its easily changed in the settings menu. Apps open almost instantly when its off..

MacRumorUser
May 3, 2013, 01:47 AM
I havent used an s4, but if its like the s3 - the "lag" is actually transition speed. Its easily changed in the settings menu. Apps open almost instantly when its off..

Turning animation speed to .5 or better still off helps, but there are still little stutters and traces of lag (noticeable but not game breaking).

I honestly think its down to Samsung memory management on S4. Those comparing it to the S3 & Note 2 have also noticed the S4 tends to use far more memory by default than the S3. I noticed a lot of Samsung services keep popping up and run in the backgound even when they haven't been loaded or initiated by the user.

Turning off Air Gestures / Air View / smart stay / smart scroll also improve performance and Emory footprint, though it still can remain very high when in comparison to other devices running same apps. That means it is Touchwiz on the S4 that's eating up resources.

It needs more optimisation, hopefully the patch they are meant to be pushing out addresses a lot of that. The end user shouldn't have to turn off features that come as default and features that set the device apart in order to improve performance of that device. If a device has 'features' that detrimentally effect user experience, the manufacturer should ave optimised them more or not put them in in the first place.

Honestly to me it felt Samsung added a lot of stuff, but in the process decided it didn't need to refine anything or optimise what was already there. Instead its like it just hoped the extra grunt of the processor would be enough, without taking into consideration that perhaps it wasn't, and pushing the device harder without optimisation is detrimental to user experience and battery life.

strausd
May 3, 2013, 03:24 AM
The problem I have with alternate launchers is they don't replace anything except for the home screen (and maybe the app launcher?). Settings and what not still won't go together with it. I don't know enough about rooting to feel comfortable going that route. While there are threads about root, I haven't seen any that answer all of my simple questions in simple terminology.

I have been an iPhone user for years. Switched to the Nexus 4 in November and haven't looked back. Let me give you my simple breakdown.

Out of the box, an iPhone fulfilled 80% of my needs. After some customization and jailbreaking, that only bumped it up to 85%.

Out of the box, my Nexus 4 fulfilled 60% of my needs at MOST. After rooting and installing custom ROMs and kernels, it now fulfills 90%-95% of my needs.

To get the best out of an Android device, my experience has been that it has to be rooted and have a custom ROM. That is something you might need to take into considering and just understand going into a switch like this.

Setting it up will take time and headaches. Ultimately, is that additional 5%-10% worth it? Only you can answer that.

kasakka
May 3, 2013, 05:04 AM
Quick settings and default app abilities are nice, but not a deal breaker. Safari works very well as does the messaging app, which are two things I might would want to change depending on the android phone. The screen size is the only thing that really kills me. That's where the GS4 wowed me. Also, I'd have to buy off contract so by selling my iphone 5 on eBay it would still cost around 100-150 so I need a great reason to do so.

To me the iPhone 5 is about the perfect size, though I suppose they could cram a slightly larger display on it without changing the proportions much. Most Android phones are just too damn large to me nowadays and the ones that aren't are just ridiculously bad specs for new phones. I mean the upcoming Galaxy S4 Mini is apparently going to have a lower res screen than my iPhone 4.

I'm planning to move to Android because I'm tired of having to jailbreak just to get simple things like equal performance in 3rd party browsers, having autocorrect work like I want or be able to set default apps. That said, I'm not sure if I'd be all that fond of having to root the phone just to get it to work like I want. Right now I'm waiting for the Motorola X Phone and hoping it fixes the problems Nexus 4 has (battery life, camera quality, glass back) while still staying on stock Android for easy updates.

daveathall
May 3, 2013, 05:08 AM
To me the iPhone 5 is about the perfect size, though I suppose they could cram a slightly larger display on it without changing the proportions much. Most Android phones are just too damn large to me nowadays and the ones that aren't are just ridiculously bad specs for new phones. I mean the upcoming Galaxy S4 Mini is apparently going to have a lower res screen than my iPhone 4.

I'm planning to move to Android because I'm tired of having to jailbreak just to get simple things like equal performance in 3rd party browsers, having autocorrect work like I want or be able to set default apps. That said, I'm not sure if I'd be all that fond of having to root the phone just to get it to work like I want. Right now I'm waiting for the Motorola X Phone and hoping it fixes the problems Nexus 4 has (battery life, camera quality, glass back) while still staying on stock Android for easy updates.


I must admit that I think it is an optical illusion, the S3 in real terms wasn't that much larger than an iPhone 5, the vibrant screen just made it seem that way, the S4 is even smaller than the S3 with a larger screen. :)

Here is my iPhone 5 on top of my S3.


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/guty9uqy_zpsdbca2d06.jpg

MacRumorUser
May 3, 2013, 12:52 PM
I must admit that I think it is an optical illusion, the S3 in real terms wasn't that much larger than an iPhone 5, the vibrant screen just made it seem that way, the S4 is even smaller than the S3 with a larger screen. :)

Here is my iPhone 5 on top of my S3.


Image (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/guty9uqy_zpsdbca2d06.jpg)

I did this as soon as I opened mine. Yep when you put the 5 on either the one or the S4 they arent as big as they first appear to be :-)

dojoman
May 3, 2013, 01:07 PM
I must admit that I think it is an optical illusion, the S3 in real terms wasn't that much larger than an iPhone 5, the vibrant screen just made it seem that way, the S4 is even smaller than the S3 with a larger screen. :)

Here is my iPhone 5 on top of my S3.


Image (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/guty9uqy_zpsdbca2d06.jpg)

So what you're saying is iPhone5 screen isn't as small as people think. ;)

Stuntman06
May 3, 2013, 01:16 PM
Most Android phones are just too damn large to me nowadays

That's what I thought when I first got the S3. My previous phone had a 3.7" screen. I got used to the larger size after a few weeks and it doesn't feel too big now.

daveathall
May 3, 2013, 01:20 PM
So what you're saying is iPhone5 screen isn't as small as people think. ;)

Never said that at all, where did you get that idea? I compared phone sizes. Did not mention screen size on the iPhone.

Edit; Should have noticed the wink before it was pointed out to me. Sorry about that dojoman. :)

KAB2010
May 3, 2013, 01:37 PM
I have been an iPhone user for years. Switched to the Nexus 4 in November and haven't looked back. Let me give you my simple breakdown.

Out of the box, an iPhone fulfilled 80% of my needs. After some customization and jailbreaking, that only bumped it up to 85%.

Out of the box, my Nexus 4 fulfilled 60% of my needs at MOST. After rooting and installing custom ROMs and kernels, it now fulfills 90%-95% of my needs.

To get the best out of an Android device, my experience has been that it has to be rooted and have a custom ROM. That is something you might need to take into considering and just understand going into a switch like this.

Setting it up will take time and headaches. Ultimately, is that additional 5%-10% worth it? Only you can answer that.

I'm concerned with voiding the warranty by rooting. Also I don't know much about it. Such as when putting a new kernel or rom on the phone does it wipe out all the apps and settings you had before?

I really wanted to like the nexus 4. If it had an improved camera and better battery life I would have kept it. Well also my unit had light bleeding from the top.

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i totally agree with you, note 2 replaces both your phone and your tablet, screen is great for watching movies and reading, none of those smartphones offer the s-pen functionality and the battery of note 2 is also great.

The Note 2 is just too big for me. Not something that I even want to try getting used to. GS4 size is as big as I'll go and I'd be perfectly satisfied with it's screen size as well.

MacRumorUser
May 3, 2013, 01:52 PM
Never said that at all, where did you get that idea? I compared phone sizes. Did not mention screen size on the iPhone.

The wink my man.. The wink.... You should now a joke / sarcasm response by now :) ;);)

daveathall
May 3, 2013, 01:57 PM
The wink my man.. The wink.... You should now a joke / sarcasm response by now :) ;);)

Thank you, I'm had a senior moment (again). :)

My apologies dojoman, I'm a bit slow tonight. :)

MacRumorUser
May 3, 2013, 02:00 PM
Thank you, I'm had a senior moment (again). :)

My apologies dojoman, I'm a bit slow tonight. :)

Its because he didn't do a nudge nudge before the wink :D


Actually we must poll the mods & gods for a nudge nudge emoji !! I'll start the campaign :p

strausd
May 3, 2013, 02:57 PM
I'm concerned with voiding the warranty by rooting. Also I don't know much about it. Such as when putting a new kernel or rom on the phone does it wipe out all the apps and settings you had before?

I really wanted to like the nexus 4. If it had an improved camera and better battery life I would have kept it. Well also my unit had light bleeding from the top.

All of those concerns are completely understandable.

Voiding the warranty on a Nexus shouldn't be a problem since Google has posted factory images of the Nexus 4. If something happens and you need to do an RMA, just restore the image. There are multiple guides for this online.

A new kernel will not wipe the phone, a new ROM will, unless it is an update to an existing ROM. Like an update to CyanogenMod won't, but switching from CyanogenMod to, for example, AOKP will.

Ya camera isn't that great, totally agree. I am one of those people that rarely use a camera though. And battery life has gotten better, especially with a custom kernel.

But looking back at my post, I am guilty of something I always disliked, which was when I had a problem, nobody had any real solutions. All the "solutions" were really just workarounds. And I think that is what you need to understand about Android. You are going to have to work around the problems in order to get it working the way you want. You will need a custom launcher, a new kernel, a custom ROM, change up the lock screen, the controls, and so much more. That is typically what people do with Nexus devices.

KAB2010
May 3, 2013, 03:06 PM
All of those concerns are completely understandable.

Voiding the warranty on a Nexus shouldn't be a problem since Google has posted factory images of the Nexus 4. If something happens and you need to do an RMA, just restore the image. There are multiple guides for this online.

A new kernel will not wipe the phone, a new ROM will, unless it is an update to an existing ROM. Like an update to CyanogenMod won't, but switching from CyanogenMod to, for example, AOKP will.

Ya camera isn't that great, totally agree. I am one of those people that rarely use a camera though. And battery life has gotten better, especially with a custom kernel.

But looking back at my post, I am guilty of something I always disliked, which was when I had a problem, nobody had any real solutions. All the "solutions" were really just workarounds. And I think that is what you need to understand about Android. You are going to have to work around the problems in order to get it working the way you want. You will need a custom launcher, a new kernel, a custom ROM, change up the lock screen, the controls, and so much more. That is typically what people do with Nexus devices.

So essentially I would have to learn how to root and flash, etc. and choose the rom I want as soon as I get the phone, otherwise installing and setting up will be a waste of time since it would wipe everything out. I've heard of Carbon for backing up but have not been on android since that came out. If Google had a unified program like iTunes to back everything up including app data then that would influence me so much more to actually stay with android. I think I'd be comfortable just using cyanogenmod since it is basically stock with better tweaks.

Everyone around me uses an iPhone now so that does kind of influence me to keep mine because of iMessage. For some reason I don't want to give up Facetime either even though I almost never use it.

dojoman
May 3, 2013, 03:46 PM
Thank you, I'm had a senior moment (again). :)

My apologies dojoman, I'm a bit slow tonight. :)

haha no prob. It is the internet afterall.

strausd
May 3, 2013, 03:49 PM
So essentially I would have to learn how to root and flash, etc. and choose the rom I want as soon as I get the phone, otherwise installing and setting up will be a waste of time since it would wipe everything out. I've heard of Carbon for backing up but have not been on android since that came out. If Google had a unified program like iTunes to back everything up including app data then that would influence me so much more to actually stay with android. I think I'd be comfortable just using cyanogenmod since it is basically stock with better tweaks.

Everyone around me uses an iPhone now so that does kind of influence me to keep mine because of iMessage. For some reason I don't want to give up Facetime either even though I almost never use it.

Haha yes, that is essentially what would need to happen. Once you root, you also often unlock the bootloader. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe everything. Installing a new ROM will wipe everything. So if you decide to stick with Android, make sure that is one of the first things you do to make things easier.

Ya, Carbon is out there, now called Helium. Most people will tell you that Titanium Backup is better, and it is IMO. But sometimes it won't restore all your apps or the data. Last time I did a full restore using Titanium Backup I had to go to the app store and redownload 30 apps because they weren't working with Titanium for whatever reason. Then to get the data, I used Carbon to restore from Google Drive just the app data. So it can be annoying for sure.

It would be great if Google had something like iTunes. Or something like iCloud. When I used my iPhone 4S, I could easily just backup ALL my apps and data to the cloud. Then when I got a new phone, just log in and it automatically reinstalls everything with the data. Also it kept app placement. Google has nothing like this. You are going to be forced to use a third party app, and it won't work as well as iCloud backup. It is almost like keeping an entire system image in the cloud with seamless restore.

And I understand FaceTime. Google also has nothing like this. The great thing about FaceTime is that, unlike G+ and Talk, you only need to know someones number. You don't have to have them on your Google buddy list. Plus the integration into iOS is fantastic.

There are a lot of areas that Android just can't compete with yet. But maybe we will see some interesting stuff at Google I/O.

KAB2010
May 3, 2013, 04:06 PM
You've been of great help. Thank you. Yeah waiting for Googles conference would probably be smart for me.

Dr McKay
May 3, 2013, 09:52 PM
Is there any way to know if your S4 has been boot locked by the carrier? My S4 has no carrier branding on the outside or inside, no carrier branding on the inside, no carrier logo on the boot screen etc or carrier apps.

However theres no unlocked padlock symbol when I boot like my Nexus 4 had when I unlocked it.

Mines a UK S4, from the carrier "EE".

kasakka
May 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
I must admit that I think it is an optical illusion, the S3 in real terms wasn't that much larger than an iPhone 5, the vibrant screen just made it seem that way, the S4 is even smaller than the S3 with a larger screen. :)

Here is my iPhone 5 on top of my S3.


Image (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/daveathall/guty9uqy_zpsdbca2d06.jpg)

The S3 is about a full centimeter wider than the iPhone 5. That makes a big difference in how it feels in the hand. The curved back helps but apparently they've ****ed that up in the S4.

Krimsonmyst
May 4, 2013, 07:32 PM
Is there any way to know if your S4 has been boot locked by the carrier? My S4 has no carrier branding on the outside or inside, no carrier branding on the inside, no carrier logo on the boot screen etc or carrier apps.

However theres no unlocked padlock symbol when I boot like my Nexus 4 had when I unlocked it.

Mines a UK S4, from the carrier "EE".

From what I understand, it is only US carriers that lock bootloaders. Samsung themselves don't generally do it either.

Easiest way to find out though would be to Google it.

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The S3 is about a full centimeter wider than the iPhone 5. That makes a big difference in how it feels in the hand. The curved back helps but apparently they've ****ed that up in the S4.

I think the s4 feels much nicer in the hand with the flat back and squared edges.

Dr McKay
May 4, 2013, 07:48 PM
From what I understand, it is only US carriers that lock bootloaders. Samsung themselves don't generally do it either.

Easiest way to find out though would be to Google it..

Ive tried Googling it, but only articles about American GS4's came up.

Southernboyj
May 5, 2013, 01:24 AM
So what you're saying is iPhone5 screen isn't as small as people think. ;)

No it is. He is saying the Galaxy S4's overall footprint isn't much bigger than the iPhone 5's.. even though it's screen is much larger.

MacRumorUser
May 5, 2013, 01:44 AM
No it is. He is saying the Galaxy S4's overall footprint isn't much bigger than the iPhone 5's.. even though it's screen is much larger.

He was being sarcastic.... Are people so unable to discern 'sarcasm' lately even when the poster uses the pre-requisite 'wink' ? :o