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MacRumors
May 7, 2013, 10:12 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/12/officelogo.jpgMicrosoft today released (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450) the 14.3.4 update for Office for Mac 2011, adding Office 365 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/29/microsoft-launches-office-365-subscriptions-alongside-office-2013-but-macs-still-stuck-on-office-2011/) compatibility in addition to a host of bug fixes. Previously, Office for Mac 2011 users had to uninstall Office for Mac and sign up for Office 365. Now, existing Office for Mac 2011 users can easily integrate their software with the subscription service.

The rest of the update addresses various bugs, including an issue where file names would change when saved to SkyDrive or SharePoint in Microsoft Word for Mac. The font Calibri Light was also added, fixing poor rendering of Office 2013 shared documents that used the font.

Other bug fixes include being able to coauthor a PowerPoint Web App session without being alerted to potential conflicts, an expiring token notification, and an issue where keyboard and mice commands would "lose control" during a PowerPoint for Mac slideshow. A full list of bug fixes can be found on the Microsoft Support site (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450).

While Office 2011 for Mac is still being updated, a new version of Office for Mac may arrive in April 2014 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/10/new-office-for-mac-to-come-next-spring-office-for-ios-not-arriving-until-fall-2014/). This update to Office 2011 for Mac, which requires Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later, is available for free via Microsoft AutoUpdate or Microsoft's website (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450).

Article Link: Microsoft Updates Office for Mac 2011 With Office 365 Compatibility, Bug Fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/07/microsoft-updates-office-for-mac-2011-with-office-650-compatibility-bug-fixes/)



daneoni
May 7, 2013, 10:15 PM
Hopefully the update doesn't break anything.

MUBiomed
May 7, 2013, 11:56 PM
They are really pushing this 365 issue. I hope they don't plan on pulling an adobe in 2014 because I won't pay the subscription. There are too many alternatives out there.

wenghan1992
May 7, 2013, 11:59 PM
Meh... I will just continue using iWork.

ecowood
May 8, 2013, 12:34 AM
Don't bother with this crud. Go for iWorks instead.

aloshka
May 8, 2013, 12:52 AM
2014.. Eh.. iWork better come along and support native MS files.

Chundles
May 8, 2013, 01:05 AM
2014.. Eh.. iWork better come along and support native MS files.

It can't, they're proprietary formats.

iWork is fantastic but if you're in a line of business where many people are collaborating on documents you might still need Office.

Of course, many companies are moving to online work like Google docs etc.

Apple really seemed to have squandered an fantastic opportunity with iWork.com

aloshka
May 8, 2013, 01:08 AM
Almost all companies / clients I deal with use office. And now with office365 hosting their emails, share point, etc, they have no reason to move.

I'm just wishing hoping, but you are right. There is no reason iWork would not use their own format.

Detektiv-Pinky
May 8, 2013, 01:39 AM
... and an issue where keyboard and mice commands would "lose control" during a PowerPoint for Mac slideshow.



Can anybody confirm that this update really fixes the issue?

I had to reinstall Office and prevent installing the latest updates because Powerpoint would stop reacting to my presenter during a lecture...

Codyak
May 8, 2013, 02:03 AM
Meh... I will just continue using iWork.

Businesses would like to have a word with you. ;)

ALange
May 8, 2013, 02:03 AM
Don't bother with this crud. Go for iWorks instead.

comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

commander.data
May 8, 2013, 02:20 AM
It can't, they're proprietary formats.
That's not completely true. The newer Office Open XML formats like .docx are documented ISO standards. Microsoft has also released the specifications for their older binary formats like .doc although not all features are described.

roadbloc
May 8, 2013, 02:56 AM
Bout time they did this. Got fed up of my Macs being out of the Office 365 loop.

KylePowers
May 8, 2013, 03:05 AM
I consistently run into an issue where whilst having a document full-screened, and opening a new document, it'll open up over the first document (in its actual space) and get stuck there. Then Word will freeze, be completely useless, and I have to rage quit.

Sigh.

vmachiel
May 8, 2013, 03:10 AM
Any new issues that arose with this update? Or should I just go ahead

the8thark
May 8, 2013, 04:54 AM
comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

Or maybe you've never used iWork. Excel is better with functions then numbers is. But for most other things iWork does the job very well. I'd say pages is just as good as word and many people (myself included) prefer keynote to powerpoint.

ALange
May 8, 2013, 05:05 AM
Or maybe you've never used iWork. Excel is better with functions then numbers is. But for most other things iWork does the job very well. I'd say pages is just as good as word and many people (myself included) prefer keynote to powerpoint.

Imagine that i used iWork, and still thinking that Office suite is far more supperior over iWork suite.

JGRE
May 8, 2013, 05:30 AM
With or without the update Office 2011 is terribly slow.......
iWorks is no option, if you are working with Office for your job. Next to this iWorks is even slower with the update cycle

Superhai
May 8, 2013, 05:38 AM
comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

Unless you are the Dubai Police, many businesses may not need all features. I wish that however if Apple could put they act together they could upgrade it to something like a Vito.

Roller
May 8, 2013, 06:13 AM
comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

Not entirely true. Keynote, though not updated since 2009, still is better than PowerPoint in many respects. Apple does need to upgrade the iWork suite, though, or admit that it's dead.

Winni
May 8, 2013, 06:27 AM
They are really pushing this 365 issue. I hope they don't plan on pulling an adobe in 2014 because I won't pay the subscription. There are too many alternatives out there.

Yeah, for home users and hobbyists. But name ONE that does REALLY work in a business environment where you receive many documents from external parties.

tann
May 8, 2013, 06:42 AM
You know, I really like Pages but for some reason whenever I come to write a paper or essay or something I still open up Word.

Hopefully MS improved Word 2014 considerably, really digging the look/feel of 2013 on Windows.

everything-i
May 8, 2013, 07:05 AM
Or maybe you've never used iWork. Excel is better with functions then numbers is. But for most other things iWork does the job very well. I'd say pages is just as good as word and many people (myself included) prefer keynote to powerpoint.

While I would agree that Keynote is way better than PowerPoint there is no way that Numbers is even close to Excel in any way and Pages is more for DTP rather than word processing so its really comparing apples to oranges. For business users there is really no substitute for MS Office right now.

Mac21ND
May 8, 2013, 07:16 AM
iWorks is no option, if you are working with Office for your job. Next to this iWorks is even slower with the update cycle

As far as I'm concerned, Appleworks ... cough ... iWork is dead. Apple hasn't committed any resources to it outside iOS updates for many, many years.

jonnysods
May 8, 2013, 07:21 AM
I can't live without office. It better not go subscription based.

Already fuming about the regular payments to adobe we will be facing soon.

astrobill
May 8, 2013, 07:26 AM
This update is kind of bullsh-t. They call it a "Critical Update" but the fixes are TRIVIAL...this is mostly about adding the Office 365 compatibility. I wonder if Word will start asking me about Office 365 every other session or something after I install this update?

blabliblu
May 8, 2013, 07:41 AM
I'm getting tired of this stupid schedule scheme.

Office 2013 was release fall 2012 for PC, why do we have to wait until the middle of 2014 for Mac to have it ?

allistera
May 8, 2013, 07:43 AM
Word processing/Spreadsheet apps for OSX is TERRIBLE, lets face it; iWorks, Office for mac are at least 3 years out of date especially compared to the latest MS Word 2013 they desperately need an update.

calisurfboy
May 8, 2013, 07:49 AM
It can't, they're proprietary formats.

iWork is fantastic but if you're in a line of business where many people are collaborating on documents you might still need Office.

Of course, many companies are moving to online work like Google docs etc.

Apple really seemed to have squandered an fantastic opportunity with iWork.com

I agree. It is hard to get away from the pack when you are forced in line by their standards. Also, I am not sure what the deal is but Apple seems to kind of doing things half-assed lately with their hardware and software. iWorks.com is a nice example. Apple has all these ideas, products, or software solutions that could be so great but they just chose to ignore and neglect them. Why even bother to start something if your not going to bring it to fruition and also drag it through the years on life support?

RMo
May 8, 2013, 07:52 AM
This update is kind of bullsh-t. They call it a "Critical Update" but the fixes are TRIVIAL...this is mostly about adding the Office 365 compatibility. I wonder if Word will start asking me about Office 365 every other session or something after I install this update?

Calm yo' self. There are at least 13 changes listed in the KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450), and 365 compatibility (while true, in the sense that you no longer have to uninstall a previous 2011 installation first) is not even one of them. There is the usual array of bug fixes, plus the unexpected inclusion of Calibri Light, which is part of the default Office 2013 styles.

ericvmazzone
May 8, 2013, 08:08 AM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/07/microsoft-updates-office-for-mac-2011-with-office-650-compatibility-bug-fixes/)
Previously, Office for Mac 2011 users had to uninstall Office for Mac and sign up for Office 365. Now, existing Office for Mac 2011 users can easily integrate their software with the subscription service.

Article Link: Microsoft Updates Office for Mac 2011 With Office 365 Compatibility, Bug Fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/07/microsoft-updates-office-for-mac-2011-with-office-650-compatibility-bug-fixes/)

:mad:^^^That is why I dumped MS Office 2011 in January. Needed to put it back on my computer for a job, updated and MS killed it with this 365 BS and I could not access my files. Screw M$ for this subscription based rental idea, and screw Adobe for following their footsteps.

ResPublica
May 8, 2013, 08:15 AM
I'm getting tired of this stupid schedule scheme.

Office 2013 was release fall 2012 for PC, why do we have to wait until the middle of 2014 for Mac to have it ?
1. Office 2013 was released to the public in january 2013 (according to Wikipedia)
2. Having to wait one year between Office for Windows and Office for Mac is quite normal. For instance, Office 2007 came out in january 2007, whilst Office 2008 for Mac was released in january 2008.

Steve121178
May 8, 2013, 08:18 AM
:mad:^^^That is why I dumped MS Office 2011 in January. Needed to put it back on my computer for a job, updated and MS killed it with this 365 BS and I could not access my files. Screw M$ for this subscription based rental idea, and screw Adobe for following their footsteps.

Your anger should be aimed at the people pirating their software for free over the years which has helped make this happen. However, you can still buy the standalone version of Office alongside Office 365, so calm down. Nothing has changed!

jmille44
May 8, 2013, 08:37 AM
Yes, Outlook is better. I used to get the beachball a lot.
Now Outlook is snappy and just feels better.

jc1350
May 8, 2013, 08:50 AM
They are really pushing this 365 issue. I hope they don't plan on pulling an adobe in 2014 because I won't pay the subscription. There are too many alternatives out there.

I know from an Exchange engineer employed by MS that this is the case. Currently MS allows for hybrid installs ("on-premises" and "cloud" that work together), but in the next few years, the on-premises (traditional locally-installed software) will be eliminated in favor of 100% "cloud" resources.

I'm getting tired of this stupid schedule scheme.

Office 2013 was release fall 2012 for PC, why do we have to wait until the middle of 2014 for Mac to have it ?

MS Office and Office: Mac are written by two different entities within MS and they don't share resources from what I've read. The Mac version is written by the Mac Business Unit, a bastard step-child of MS. The MBU has it's own developers and development schedules. However, I do wish the MS mother-ship (as I call it) would combine so that we have feature parity. But the cynic in me says that is exactly the point. MS doesn't want feature parity so it can push Windows over Mac OS.

ValSalva
May 8, 2013, 08:50 AM
How soon before Microsoft only offers Office via subscription the way Adobe is offering Creative Cloud?

Apple, where is iWork '13 or '14 already??? :(

Mr.damien
May 8, 2013, 08:51 AM
comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

This is only valid for excel. Keynote destroy PowerPoint and Pages is like Word (some strengh and weakness). Much prefer it on the mac than word.

BTW, I never saw Office run like a ferrari, your comparison is wrong...

rhett7660
May 8, 2013, 08:54 AM
Your anger should be aimed at the people pirating their software for free over the years which has helped make this happen. However, you can still buy the standalone version of Office alongside Office 365, so calm down. Nothing has changed! Yet...

:)

thejadedmonkey
May 8, 2013, 09:02 AM
:mad:^^^That is why I dumped MS Office 2011 in January. Needed to put it back on my computer for a job, updated and MS killed it with this 365 BS and I could not access my files. Screw M$ for this subscription based rental idea, and screw Adobe for following their footsteps.

I've never seen someone so upset about an added feature. Especially this late in a product's life cycle. Office 2011 is not subscription based, and Microsoft even penned a blog post saying what Adobe did was "too soon".

jlc1978
May 8, 2013, 09:27 AM
This is only valid for excel. Keynote destroy PowerPoint and Pages is like Word (some strengh and weakness). Much prefer it on the mac than word.

BTW, I never saw Office run like a ferrari, your comparison is wrong...

There really are two different user bases:

The casual user who creates documents for their own use and has little if no need to share them. iWorks (and Open Office as well) work quite well in that scenario.

The business user who routinely shares files for others to use ands edit as well as get files to do the same. Compatibility is key and iWorks does not cut it there; you need Office.

The Ferrari analogy is apt- many features in an expensive to buy and maintain package.

RMo
May 8, 2013, 09:30 AM
I've never seen someone so upset about an added feature. Especially this late in a product's life cycle. Office 2011 is not subscription based, and Microsoft even penned a blog post saying what Adobe did was "too soon".

"Too soon"? Sounds like they have plans to do so, then, as soon as people have been brainwashed into thinking subscription schemes make sense for desktop software.

HarryPot
May 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
Or maybe you've never used iWork. Excel is better with functions then numbers is. But for most other things iWork does the job very well. I'd say pages is just as good as word and many people (myself included) prefer keynote to powerpoint.

For personal use, I find Pages and Keynote vastly superior to MS Office alternatives.

But for business? Just a fraction of users have iWork. And the compatibility of iWork to Office is a joke. So, when doing business documents, Office really is the only option in most cases.

Rossatron
May 8, 2013, 10:06 AM
microsoft, Y U NO RTL?????

Kaibelf
May 8, 2013, 10:18 AM
comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.

It would only be a Ferrari if MS actually included all the functionality on the Mac versions that they include on the PC side.

Krazy Bill
May 8, 2013, 10:20 AM
Not entirely true. Keynote, though not updated since 2009, still is better than PowerPoint in many respects.LOL! That pretty much sums up Apple's *interest* in the enterprise market.

With Apple, it always takes a 3rd party to give OSX true meaning and worth to those of us in the corporate world.

chrfr
May 8, 2013, 10:37 AM
1. Office 2013 was released to the public in january 2013 (according to Wikipedia)
2. Having to wait one year between Office for Windows and Office for Mac is quite normal. For instance, Office 2007 came out in january 2007, whilst Office 2008 for Mac was released in january 2008.

Same goes for Office 2010 for Windows and Office 2011 for Mac.

SoldOnApple
May 8, 2013, 10:42 AM
They are really pushing this 365 issue. I hope they don't plan on pulling an adobe in 2014 because I won't pay the subscription. There are too many alternatives out there.

Student prices for 365 are actually pretty good, but most people aren't students unfortunately. Or fortunately depending on how you look at it.

Sardonick007
May 8, 2013, 11:29 AM
While I like to be up to date, I've completely replaced MS with iWork in my business and haven't had any issues in doing so. Only reason I still have Office on my iMac is simply because I purchased it and want to keep up to speed on any changes. Otherwise, I've found no personal business need that iWork can't handle.

Jacquesvw
May 8, 2013, 11:49 AM
Yes, Outlook is better. I used to get the beachball a lot.
Now Outlook is snappy and just feels better.

I'm having trouble flagging email on my iCloud account in this version of Outlook. I will flag a message and moments later it would un-flag itself. Anyone else noticing that?

thejadedmonkey
May 8, 2013, 11:53 AM
"Too soon"? Sounds like they have plans to do so, then, as soon as people have been brainwashed into thinking subscription schemes make sense for desktop software.

Their words are "within a decade". Read more here (http://blogs.office.com/b/office-news/archive/2013/05/07/software-subscriptions-progressive-or-premature.aspx) before you bash Office 2011 for being some subscription only abhorrent piece of software.

palmharbor
May 8, 2013, 12:49 PM
Microsoft is a consistant company...there products are deeply flawed and untested until after the sale. No one checks the Geek work...its amazing. Can you imagine if they were in charge of NASA? We would have about 25 deaths in accidents due to "bugs" in the rocket software.:mad:




Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/07/microsoft-updates-office-for-mac-2011-with-office-650-compatibility-bug-fixes/)


Image (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/12/officelogo.jpg)Microsoft today released (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450) the 14.3.4 update for Office for Mac 2011, adding Office 365 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/29/microsoft-launches-office-365-subscriptions-alongside-office-2013-but-macs-still-stuck-on-office-2011/) compatibility in addition to a host of bug fixes. Previously, Office for Mac 2011 users had to uninstall Office for Mac and sign up for Office 365. Now, existing Office for Mac 2011 users can easily integrate their software with the subscription service.

The rest of the update addresses various bugs, including an issue where file names would change when saved to SkyDrive or SharePoint in Microsoft Word for Mac. The font Calibri Light was also added, fixing poor rendering of Office 2013 shared documents that used the font.

Other bug fixes include being able to coauthor a PowerPoint Web App session without being alerted to potential conflicts, an expiring token notification, and an issue where keyboard and mice commands would "lose control" during a PowerPoint for Mac slideshow. A full list of bug fixes can be found on the Microsoft Support site (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450).

While Office 2011 for Mac is still being updated, a new version of Office for Mac may arrive in April 2014 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/10/new-office-for-mac-to-come-next-spring-office-for-ios-not-arriving-until-fall-2014/). This update to Office 2011 for Mac, which requires Mac OS X 10.5.8 or later, is available for free via Microsoft AutoUpdate or Microsoft's website (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2830450).

Article Link: Microsoft Updates Office for Mac 2011 With Office 365 Compatibility, Bug Fixes (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/07/microsoft-updates-office-for-mac-2011-with-office-650-compatibility-bug-fixes/)

cookiesnfooty
May 8, 2013, 12:50 PM
Anyone had issues installing? I keep getting installation failed?

Michael Goff
May 8, 2013, 01:05 PM
Microsoft is a consistant company...there products are deeply flawed and untested until after the sale. No one checks the Geek work...its amazing. Can you imagine if they were in charge of NASA? We would have about 25 deaths in accidents due to "bugs" in the rocket software.:mad:

And the award for the person most overstating the issue goes to...

smithrh
May 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
And the award for the person most overstating the issue goes to...

Overstated, yes, but not really all that inaccurate.

Of course, there are those who posit that MS leaves a healthy does of bugs and broken features around on purpose so as to fuel the drive to upgrade.

I don't entirely disagree with those folks - there are things that behave quite badly in MS products, Office included (both PC and Mac versions).

rmwebs
May 8, 2013, 01:21 PM
Office 365? No thanks. I dont want 365, I dont want Adobe 'Cloud' and I dont want Sim City.

Too many companies have started using 'magical' cloud terms as another way of enforcing DRM. Shove it Microsoft.

Michael Goff
May 8, 2013, 01:30 PM
Overstated, yes, but not really all that inaccurate.

Of course, there are those who posit that MS leaves a healthy does of bugs and broken features around on purpose so as to fuel the drive to upgrade.

I don't entirely disagree with those folks - there are things that behave quite badly in MS products, Office included (both PC and Mac versions).

All software has bugs, all software will always have bugs.

We just don't see that many iWork updates because... well, no good reasons, I'll tell you that.

It'd be like if I said "At least Apple's internet offerings are consistent. Can you imagine if they were in charge of NORAD? It'd never be up and running!"

Also, anyone who thinks they have bugs "just to get people up upgrade" is a loon.

bigpics
May 8, 2013, 03:09 PM
They are really pushing this 365 issue. I hope they don't plan on pulling an adobe in 2014 because I won't pay the subscription. There are too many alternatives out there.

I believe it's fairly clear that the current stand-alone versions of Office could be the last - or next to last. Could depend on how much pushback they get, but the enterprise market will probably go along as it's their bread and butter and the collaboration part's important in many biz settings.

As for Adobe, I guess I'll have to move to other programs or stick with the older version I have (tho' I might pop for PS 6 as my axe for the years to come - but while I read the stand-alone is still available, it's no longer listed on Adobe's site). There's some sense in it for pros making a living, but for hobbyists and part-time photogs like me, there are times I use it intensely, and then not for months.

And "not for months" at $50/month (once the promo expires), or $30/month for PS only, is freight I just can't see hauling, 'specially as I make no money for any of my photo work. I guess Adobe is saying "Elements is good enough for the likes of you."

But Lightroom's still listed as a product for now at least.

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Originally Posted by ALange

comparing office to iwork is like comparing ferrari to fiat punto. iwork can do basic , but office simply owns it with features.


Not entirely true. Keynote, though not updated since 2009, still is better than PowerPoint in many respects. Apple does need to upgrade the iWork suite, though, or admit that it's dead.

Agreed that Keynote is the gem of the "apparently abandoned step-child suite." Percentage of time I prefer Pages (mostly because of wanting compatible docs I can share easily without multiple copies and flawed translations to docx): 0. Ditto for Excel v Numbers.

Time I prefer to build my own presentations in Keynote over PP: 100%.

Parasprite
May 8, 2013, 04:07 PM
Microsoft is a consistant company...there products are deeply flawed and untested until after the sale. No one checks the Geek work...its amazing. Can you imagine if they were in charge of NASA? We would have about 25 deaths in accidents due to "bugs" in the rocket software.:mad:

When I moved from XP to Vista I stopped having any problems with bugginess. Sure, it felt half-baked and lacked luster (or rather, exceeded in it), but it ran just fine.

Yes, I do mean Vista.

smithrh
May 8, 2013, 05:13 PM
Also, anyone who thinks they have bugs "just to get people up upgrade" is a loon.

FYI - I've seen it done several times in my career now, both in consumer applications and specialized, non-public software.

It does happen.

Deal with it.

Michael Goff
May 8, 2013, 05:15 PM
FYI - I've seen it done several times in my career now, both in consumer applications and specialized, non-public software.

It does happen.

Deal with it.

Go ahead, point me to the Microsoft software that you're referring to.

calaverasgrande
May 8, 2013, 07:01 PM
in real companies, EG;ones with more than 100 employees, there is no replacement for Office. Even Office 2011 on a Mac is not 100% there.
The "other" office suites do not support the advanced features of Excel or Exchange. For example, there is no client aside from Outlook on a PC that can edit Distribution Lists on an Exchange server. This has me firing up VirtualBox so I can run Office 2003 to do a Job that Google Docs and Office 2011 can not do!

I am glad to see this update to 2011 though. While it is far from perfect, I like 2011 over the native Apple apps, which kind of err on the side of simplicity. It's also kind of ludicrous that they break out what Outlook does with one program into 4 separate applications. Mail, Contacts, Calendar and Reminders.

MrNomNoms
May 8, 2013, 09:30 PM
MS Office and Office: Mac are written by two different entities within MS and they don't share resources from what I've read. The Mac version is written by the Mac Business Unit, a bastard step-child of MS. The MBU has it's own developers and development schedules. However, I do wish the MS mother-ship (as I call it) would combine so that we have feature parity. But the cynic in me says that is exactly the point. MS doesn't want feature parity so it can push Windows over Mac OS.

True, and they could easily do it with Office for Windows by getting mainsoft and using the same code base; they did it in the past with Internet Explorer and Outlook Express for Solaris and HP-UX so I don't see why they couldn't use mainsoft again and deliver a feature complete implementation of the Office for Windows code base and delivering a 100% compatible version on Mac - the technology is there but alas as you noted the will power isn't there for political reasons.

Regarding the subscription issue someone else raised - Adobe was the one who decided to get rid of perpetual licences and it was Microsoft who said that it was too early for it and that they (Microsoft) would wait at least a decade before doing that. The reason has little to nothing at all to do with piracy and more to do with having a reliable re-occuring revenue stream rather than having massive spikes every few years when a new product is released. It makes perfect sense and Apple is focusing on doing that with their Apple TV subscription model, the cut they take from AppStore sales etc. so that profits can be harmonised a lot easier over the year rather than massive peaks and troughs between the release and refresh.

Regarding Adobe, it has always been a PITA for them trying to convince people to regularly upgrade so the subscription benefits some and annoys others. For businesses it is a stable out going cost rather than having to deal with a massive cost coming down the pipe every 18 months - it means that Adobe can release regular updates and upgrades with customers receiving them throughout the year rather than trying to scrunch them all up in a single big product release. Those whom they screw over are the enthusiast and ones who like using Creative Suite on a casual basis and maybe do a few cash in hand jobs but don't generation enough or any cash to justify the expense of an on going cycle of cash leaving them wallet each month. For me I was in that category and decided to move to Hype and Pixelmator but honestly I don't think me and people like me not using Adobe products are really going to affect their bottom line.

Regarding Microsoft though, they would really have to improve the next version of Office to convince me to move back again - for all the faults of iWorks, it is cheaper for people like me to go iWork and deal with the lack of some features than paying up the NZ$425 per copy for Office Home & Business (one copy per computer, no longer the old deal of getting 2 licences at a cheap price). I have to admit though the $165 per year is tempting but Microsoft would have to prove via action that they're not only going to clean up Office for Mac but they're also going to bring up timely updates that justify the yearly licence fee.

ResPublica
May 9, 2013, 03:33 AM
Same goes for Office 2010 for Windows and Office 2011 for Mac.
Actually not true, although the names suggest it. Office 2010 came out in june 2010, and Office 2011 came out in october 2010 (according to Wikipedia). But I believe that's rather exceptional.

Padaung
May 9, 2013, 08:08 AM
Anyone had issues installing? I keep getting installation failed?

Yes, I had that too and came here to see if anyone else had. Have you found a cause/solution?

mag01
May 9, 2013, 08:24 AM
Yes, I had that too and came here to see if anyone else had. Have you found a cause/solution?
Don't you have small /tmp? I've got /tmp located in RAM and thus intentionally pretty small (192MB) and some updaters such as this one require much larger /tmp space so I always temporarily resize it when running such updaters.

cgsnipinva
May 9, 2013, 09:01 AM
I installed a trial version of Office 2011 that also included Office 365. Now the stand alone apps that came with it seem fine. They are half a step behind what I see from Office 2013 but not much. Now when I looked at Office 365 - I noticed the online applications are no where near as feature rich as the stand alone offerings and have less capability than say Google Docs (for example the Google Spreadsheet has pivot tables - not so with online version of Excel). More importantly - the online storage and management of files is actually more clumsy than what Google or even iCloud offers.

Apple can achieve a huge leap here if they did a few things in their next round of offering updates:

1.) Update all iWork to enhance and improve feature set to be more competitive to MS Office. Specifics - Numbers - Increase column and row capacity to at least 300,000 rows with full column compliment. Implement pivot tables, and multi-level filtering and improve library of formulas and functions. Combine that with Numbers better chart and presentation capabilities and you have a winner.

2.) Update Pages to include more features and standardization of templates. It is almost there with regards to Word. So not as much work to do here.

3.) Revise iCloud storage to allow for development of file folders to be more like Google Drive. Apple currently has a nice seamless integration with cloud storage - this small improvement could do wonders. Also allow the storage of non-iWork files like MS Office files and others.

4.) Integrate all three iWork products so you can reference a numbers table in a Pages or Keynote document. Link them together.

These few relatively modest changes would greatly enhance Apple's presence in the business world. They just need to invest some resources here - its not like Apple is short of money or software engineers.

coolspot18
May 9, 2013, 09:32 AM
Don't bother with this crud. Go for iWorks instead.

Can't be serious, most corporations use Word - in my world, iWorks won't cut it.

RMo
May 10, 2013, 01:04 AM
Their words are "within a decade". Read more here (http://blogs.office.com/b/office-news/archive/2013/05/07/software-subscriptions-progressive-or-premature.aspx) before you bash Office 2011 for being some subscription only abhorrent piece of software.

Read what I said before you (apparently) accuse me of saying I think Office 2011 is subscription only. I know it's not. I own a license (that I bought...once).

My complaint is with subscription-only models, which your link only confirms that Microsoft seems to think is the future, despite their plans to offer both right now. I disagree, primarily from a TC"O" perspective.

SithSurfer
May 10, 2013, 01:42 PM
I hate starting out on a new forum with an issue but here we go :P After the update all my flags in Outlook are gone! Weirdly even after adding new ones straight after syncing with IMAP these are gone as well. Interestingly they appear fine on my iPhone and on one of the PC's in our office.

It's not a server issue as I've tested this with our business one, GMail and Yahoo. Has anyone came across it yet?

The mess-up process is simple: Add Follow Up Flag to an e-mail -> Sync with server fetching mail -> Flag's gone from Outlook (and syncs on all other machines connected to this account).

Go Microsoft.

isuquinndog
May 12, 2013, 10:51 AM
So happy they fixed the bug where you couldn't email a distro list you created without expanding all the emails.

mreed911
May 13, 2013, 02:05 PM
Seeing a hang in Outlook w/14.3.4 now. Anyone else? UI spin locks... then releases 30-60 seconds later. I see things like this in the system.log when it happens:

May 13 11:18:38 mreed-macbook.local WindowServer[74]: disable_update_likely_unbalanced: UI updates still disabled by application "Microsoft Outlook" after 15.00 seconds (server forcibly re-enabled them after 1.00 seconds). Likely an unbalanced disableUpdate call.


May 13 11:18:57 mreed-macbook.local WindowServer[74]: reenable_update_for_connection: UI updates were finally reenabled by application "Microsoft Outlook" after 34.15 seconds (server forcibly re-enabled them after 1.00 seconds)

Quit Outlook, no more hangs. Start Outlook, hangs randomly come back. No plugins, no trouble before this.

Thoughts?

macklemore
May 16, 2013, 04:01 PM
The flags for Outlook emails are disappearing after installing the update. When going back to reflag the emails the flags will disappear again after a few minutes. Very frustrating.

davidlv
May 16, 2013, 11:02 PM
I use Word a lot in translation work, and have had a election issue for a while, appeared sometime after the last or the one before last update.
Trying to select a word or phrase will not always work, either using a magic mouse or trackpad. The cursor just stays at the insertion point. If I double click that word, or any other word, then the selection process works, but of course that brings me right out of "work" mode and into "wwwwWTF Microsoft!" mode :eek:
interrupting any present chain of thought.
This issue is intermittent and hard to reproduce, but it happens a lot, and I cannot associate any other action or condition to it. So stumped! Not:cool:
Any ideas?

raynold2010
May 30, 2013, 12:16 AM
The instant Pages integrates the specifics of French typography, I'm dropping Word forever.