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ChazUK
May 8, 2013, 11:28 AM
This is inspired by This (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17245172&postcount=35) post in the Surge in Apple's iOS 7 Usage Revealed in Web Traffic Stats (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/08/surge-in-apples-ios-7-usage-revealed-in-web-traffic-stats/) article.

Just an observationI made but it took no less than 5 minutes for someone to mention the hated company.

8:28 - Article posted.
8:33 - First Samsung mention. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17244975&postcount=6)
In several moments Samsung paid trolls will be posting all over this site how this as yet unreleased OS and the new hardware that it will run on aren't innovative any more, or meant for your mother, or not cool...:rolleyes:
8:43 - Second Samsung mention (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17245038&postcount=15)
Suddenly someone with a new account or an account from few years ago which never posted will come out and say how un-innovative and doomed and arrogant and closed and no-widgets Apple is, and how did he jump ship to the [brand] [full product name] and with the [full feature name], he is never going back to iOS. And the reason why s/he still cares so much to post flames in MacRumors is that despite his hate for Apple he ironically uses the newest MacBook Pro.
8:57 - Third Samsung mention. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17245095&postcount=26)
Samsung is throwing so much **** at the wall in their phone with the hopes that something will stick except many features are half baked and rushed. Apple will probably include some of these features. They have been working on them as well but, instead of rushing to the market, they have been testing them and will come out fully functional. Unfortunately, since Samsung has thrown everything including the kitchen sink into their phones, people will declare Apple is copying the competition.

Have Samsung done something very clever by (inadvertently) getting their name mentioned in non-Samsung related stories by over sensitive Apple fans?

I find it very odd that they even got bought up in such a story. I wonder if some of these forum members realise that they could be creating marketing gold for Samsung without even realising it?

I can't ever remember seeing such behaviour on other forums so the question is, have Samsung played a very clever marketing game here by getting their name mentioned so often on such a staunch Apple site? :confused:



Prototypical
May 8, 2013, 11:30 AM
On that note, what if THIS topic is simply another Samsung plant? :eek:

LorPGDL
May 8, 2013, 11:40 AM
i dont think samsung is that reverse psychology in their marketing efforts, bearing in mind their usual style of bashing apple products.

the reason is that some of the posters are so into apple that they see samsung as a threat to themselves, not just apple.

ChazUK
May 8, 2013, 11:57 AM
On that note, what if THIS topic is simply another Samsung plant? :eek:

No, I assure you it isn't.

My father, Kwon Oh Hyun, would be ashamed if I turned out to be a Samsung shill... :D

LIVEFRMNYC
May 8, 2013, 12:05 PM
I think if anything, there's probably several posters who are falsely claiming ownership of the S4 just to make negative posts about it.

paulsalter
May 8, 2013, 12:19 PM
Samsung are a big competitor to Apple, this is the new way to try and put people down, claim they are paid to make comments

Krimsonmyst
May 9, 2013, 07:46 AM
It's a bit of column A, bit of column B.

Samsung's marketing has obviously been impressive enough that these people think of them directly when they see information like this (even when the article made no mention of Samsung AT ALL).

On the flip side, Apple fans are obviously aware of what Samsung is pushing, and are either nervous about it, or at least recognise it enough where they feel they need to put it down in a public forum.

The-Real-Deal82
May 9, 2013, 08:07 AM
Over sensitive Apple fans on an Apple discussion forum no doubt but clever marketing I think not. Some just feel they need to pick sides and be loyal to one particular brand and the others amongst us really couldn't give a toss. :)

Dr McKay
May 9, 2013, 08:21 AM
I think those comments are from Apple fans, and while their comments are stupid and irrelevant, they are true. Hasn't anyone else noticed that a lot of the threads made praising the GS4 are from brand new accounts created about the same time the phone launched.

Why those people felt the need to bring that up in that article, I'll never know, it doors seem Samsung gets bitched at in every article.

Dontazemebro
May 9, 2013, 08:39 AM
I think those comments are from Apple fans, and while their comments are stupid and irrelevant, they are true. Hasn't anyone else noticed that a lot of the threads made praising the GS4 are from brand new accounts created about the same time the phone launched.

Why those people felt the need to bring that up in that article, I'll never know, it doors seem Samsung gets bitched at in every article.

Really? Because most of the times I see about the same amount of new account user threads where people claim to have played with a GS4 for less than a few hours and how horrible it is or how they switched back to iOS with plenty of troll worthy statements against Samsung. Seems like both sides are out in full effect.

MacRumorUser
May 9, 2013, 08:44 AM
have Samsung played a very clever marketing game here by getting their name mentioned so often on such a staunch Apple site? :confused:

You do remember last year when almost every front page article was Apple & Samsung suing each other. Are you telling me that suing apple was Samsung's way of getting mentioned on MacRumors ;) or just merely a coincidence.

The-Real-Deal82
May 9, 2013, 08:46 AM
Really? Because most of the times I see about the same amount of new account user threads where people claim to have played with a GS4 for less than a few hours and how horrible it is or how they switched back to iOS with plenty of troll worthy statements against Samsung. Seems like both sides are out in full effect.
I think there are posters for both viewpoints. I don't believe half the posts where people claim to either hate the S4, or iPhone and claim to have owned both in such a short space of time. When I owned an Android phone we had people joining a couple of the Android forums claiming to have dumped their phones in favour of the iPhone and declaring everything was rubbish. Its a shame people feel they have to make stuff up like that just to stir, but that is life. It has got particularly bad here in recent months however.

LIVEFRMNYC
May 9, 2013, 08:59 AM
Can't deny Samsung is killing with these type of commercials. The S4 is the only phone other than any iPhone that I had to wait for it to be shipped to store cause they are out of stock.

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Tinmania
May 9, 2013, 10:58 AM
I think those comments are from Apple fans, and while their comments are stupid and irrelevant, they are true. Hasn't anyone else noticed that a lot of the threads made praising the GS4 are from brand new accounts created about the same time the phone launched.

What would be the point of doing that in this forum, where the S4 is already liked? Quite often, when googling something for my nexus 4 or note 2, I get results leading here. If I was not already a member I could see me joining after googling my way here.

This forum is also less intimidating than most of the popular android forums. My head hurts sometimes when trying to meander through the gazillion forums and sub-forums on xda. Then when I find a thread that might be helpful or interesting I have to read 284 pages through the thread to get to it. The one time I started a thread it was instantly moved because it wasn't quite in the right sub-forum.

So maybe, just maybe, some new S4/HTC1/whatever owners end up here because it seems like an OK place that isn't so intimidating.




Michael

LIVEFRMNYC
May 9, 2013, 12:38 PM
What would be the point of doing that in this forum, where the S4 is already liked? Quite often, when googling something for my nexus 4 or note 2, I get results leading here. If I was not already a member I could see me joining after googling my way here.

This forum is also less intimidating than most of the popular android forums. My head hurts sometimes when trying to meander through the gazillion forums and sub-forums on xda. Then when I find a thread that might be helpful or interesting I have to read 284 pages through the thread to get to it. The one time I started a thread it was instantly moved because it wasn't quite in the right sub-forum.

So maybe, just maybe, some new S4/HTC1/whatever owners end up here because it seems like an OK place that isn't so intimidating.




Michael

I completely agree. Also, even though this sub forum has much less traffic compared to Apple related sub forums, it's still pretty active vs some entire forum sites that are not as active. I myself have done some searches on phones that were non iPhone related and sometimes Google would show a MBR forum link as one of the first page results.

Then you have the fact that many Android forums will not tolerate iPhone comparisons. And that's always something people like to debate.

0dev
May 9, 2013, 01:06 PM
I think it's a mix of the two. Samsung have been very clever by worming their way into Apple fans' heads like this.

mattopotamus
May 9, 2013, 01:44 PM
they are cleaver

Borealis
May 9, 2013, 01:55 PM
So maybe, just maybe, some new S4/HTC1/whatever owners end up here because it seems like an OK place that isn't so intimidating.


Michael

Also, in this subforum atleast, most regular posters appear to be level-headed, civilized, and multi-brand users. This allows a useful comparison of iphone XYZ vs Android XYZ, with the pros and cons of each platform discussed in detail.
It's a great resource for understanding the (often hidden) weaknesses of each of these platforms and making an informed decision.

As for the trolls and shills, just ignore them.

ChazUK
May 9, 2013, 02:24 PM
As for the trolls and shills, just ignore them.

A fantastic point. :cool:

This is another thing I don't entirely understand.

People keep chiming on about how easy to identify these alleged Samsung shills are with low post counts and nothing but praise for Samsung products but, instead of ignoring and or reporting/blocking them, they either interact with them or keep on bringing them up (which would show a paid shill that what they're doing is working).

Makes little sense!

Tikatika
May 9, 2013, 04:54 PM
I don't think it's necessary to "hate" something in order to "love" something else, but sadly, a lot of people feel that need for justification.

I really like my S4, but can't imagine life without my iPad 3 and iPad Mini. Would love to have an iMac but the PC is still chugging along.

The animosity between Apple and Google is longstanding and corporate fueled, which flows downhill to the users.

thejadedmonkey
May 10, 2013, 08:48 AM
agreed, samsung is doing everything possible to attract consumers because of which apple fans are becoming a bit nervous.

I don't think it's only Samsung though. Apple fans are nervous because they're not used to being number 2 or number 3. I've followed Apple for years (look at my post count! :P) and I'm no rabid fanboy, but I prefer WP8 to Android, and the iPhone is somewhere in between.

sentinelsx
May 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
agreed, samsung is doing everything possible to attract consumers because of which apple fans are becoming a bit nervous.

That every company does though.

I wish samsung were also trying to attract the informed buyers who value much better functionality (a great cloud backup solution, an integrated messaging solution, which they could have implemented in their SMS app, a more streamlined UI which doesn't have too much green etc etc) than just attracting the regular joes who will go "oh the new iPhone can't do that magical hand waving thing, galaxy s4 here i come".

Before the iPhone, Apple was a software and hardware company. They didn't just build hardware only. And you can see the offerings from nokia, motorola, samsung, sony, htc, lg, sharp, zte, asus and more among them that failed to impress as well as the iPhone did. Because all these companies are not OS developers. If google or MS didn't lend a hand, they probably would be dead, all of them.

The only company that could have given a real iOS rival right at the start in 2007 was blackberry and sadly they failed at it because they were sleeping. The only other company that built both its mobile operating system and the hardware to use it on. Now it is too late but hopefully they will rise again, if they don't sleep again lol.

Come to think of it, as much as i hate touchwiz and the AMOLED screens it runs on, i actually get excited when i see samsung covertly working on tizen. Not because i hate android, i actually love jellybean, but because google made it open source and depends on OEMs to use it when it comes to mainstream devices. With tizen, atleast samsung could probably create a solid integration and may be start adding functionality instead of air gimmicks.

As much as i read all the forums around in the tech sphere, the first thing that really stands out to me is that people are tired of iPhone because of Apple's stubbornness (read: not ALL people, the ones who say they are) to change their OS paradigm (not a full blown change, just a slight improvement, bringing it closer to OS X may be?) and the device sizes. It is as if apple implemented that, everyone would drop the rest of the OEMs in a heartbeat and come running back.

And that says a LOT about the reality of these ancient OEMs. Basically how i personally feel is that they are back to their old tricks, adding useless stuff to sell to clueless public, bowing to carriers' wills (carrier bloatware on top of a skinned device is a huge travesty), things they did in pre-iPhone era too.

The only companies i can see breaking a mold here is samsung and perhaps blackberry if given a chance. Or google and moto in future if they finally wake up.

rtomyj
May 10, 2013, 09:42 AM
Wow and Apple fans are sheep >_>.

Samsungs tactic - http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/04/17/samsung-fake-web-reviews/

If you would read the comments you quoted you would realize that they are saying, "people who have a new account or a previously inactive account are bashing Apple". This coincides with Samsungs "marketing" and is actually true. There are a lot of new users talking **** about Apple. Just look at the members who post anti Apple on the front page posts. Of course there are people who get mad or paranoid for no reason on this forum, but that's the Internet.

sentinelsx
May 10, 2013, 09:48 AM
I don't think it's only Samsung though. Apple fans are nervous because they're not used to being number 2 or number 3. I've followed Apple for years (look at my post count! :P) and I'm no rabid fanboy, but I prefer WP8 to Android, and the iPhone is somewhere in between.

I know someone here will talk the profit talk soon in response to this, but since when where they number one anyway? I see windows machines almost everywhere ever since i started using PCs. Yes there are macbooks around too but the ratio is much less. When i was in university our three primary labs were running redhat linux, not even windows or OS X.

Fanboys are just fanboys. You can never argue with them. And that goes with ANY fanboy, no matter the affiliation.

thejadedmonkey
May 10, 2013, 10:53 AM
I know someone here will talk the profit talk soon in response to this, but since when where they number one anyway? I see windows machines almost everywhere ever since i started using PCs. Yes there are macbooks around too but the ratio is much less. When i was in university our three primary labs were running redhat linux, not even windows or OS X.

Fanboys are just fanboys. You can never argue with them. And that goes with ANY fanboy, no matter the affiliation.

I meant number 1 as in "the world's most advanced OS". OS X, especially around 2006, was miles ahead of Windows.

jrswizzle
May 10, 2013, 10:57 AM
I don't think it's only Samsung though. Apple fans are nervous because they're not used to being number 2 or number 3. I've followed Apple for years (look at my post count! :P) and I'm no rabid fanboy, but I prefer WP8 to Android, and the iPhone is somewhere in between.

Ehh I think people put too much into the whole "rankings".

Too be quite honest, Apple hasn't really EVER been number 1 as far as smartphone marketshare even in the US until only recently.

Before Q4 2012, Samsung had been number 1 since 2008......

People need to both justify their purchases and feel superior to others. Hence technology (which is becoming extremely personal as we all use and interact with our devices on a daily and sometimes hourly basis) has become one of those arenas where there are sides taken and people feel passionately (and often times illogically) about a certain product.

The marketing of each company also perpetuates this.

Many folks are inherently competitive. Anything they can latch onto to drive that nature with be latched on to. I should know, I'm immensely competitive myself. Its only been recently that I've begun to broaden my technological horizons.

Now I only get miffed when people make utterly ridiculous and asinine comments like "the iPhone is a worthless stale toy" or "Android is so buggy I can't do anything on it".

I still have trouble tolerating idiots ;)

sentinelsx
May 10, 2013, 11:53 AM
Ehh I think people put too much into the whole "rankings".

Too be quite honest, Apple hasn't really EVER been number 1 as far as smartphone marketshare even in the US until only recently.

Before Q4 2012, Samsung had been number 1 since 2008......

People need to both justify their purchases and feel superior to others. Hence technology (which is becoming extremely personal as we all use and interact with our devices on a daily and sometimes hourly basis) has become one of those arenas where there are sides taken and people feel passionately (and often times illogically) about a certain product.

The marketing of each company also perpetuates this.

Many folks are inherently competitive. Anything they can latch onto to drive that nature with be latched on to. I should know, I'm immensely competitive myself. Its only been recently that I've begun to broaden my technological horizons.

Now I only get miffed when people make utterly ridiculous and asinine comments like "the iPhone is a worthless stale toy" or "Android is so buggy I can't do anything on it".

I still have trouble tolerating idiots ;)

My opinion after continuous switching between galaxys, nexus, iPhone and a couple Sony/htc devices alongside as well is this: apple got some things perfectly right whenever they implements them. Lockscreen notifications, the SMS app, push notifications, the email app, device backups, battery life, audio quality, app quality etc etc are pluses which are still there on the iPhone. What they really need to work more on is small UI things like gradients and over the top skeumorphim along with major OS changes like sharing, app defaults and intents, a little more flexibility etc.

It is those reasons that always push me to android devices along with the fact that I like a 4.3-4.7 inch screen more than one handed use which is not coming to iPhone in 2 years at least. But what I find is that some of the annoyances still make me appreciate the iPhone. It is by no means "sucky".

I had high hopes that Samsung will add some good stuff instead of marketing gimmicks this time because I appreciated some of the additions in gs3. Their stock apps were ugly but they were much more functional, the browser was smooth, the audio quality was solid, gallery looked better than what it looks in stock android IMO, SMS app needed theming to get rid of that black, blue and yellow stuff but was better than the big button like messages in stock SMS, and so on.

Too bad they didn't bother copying apple further and instead ran towards adding air stuff.

May be they will learn and work to make touchwiz aesthetic AND not bloated in their next handset, or not repeat it with tizen.

daveathall
May 10, 2013, 12:47 PM
TBH, it doesn't bother me in the least which company is "number one" I have no interest in them other than buying their products. I am glad that analysts and the companies themselves do have a healthy rivalry and competitiveness to strive to be the best. It is due to this that we have some stunning flagship devices from HTC, Sony, Apple, Samsung and Nokia. I know which devices that I enjoy/prefer at the moment, in a while this will change, if my phone is the best seller, it doesn't automatically mean that it is the best. :)

jrswizzle
May 10, 2013, 01:45 PM
My opinion after continuous switching between galaxys, nexus, iPhone and a couple Sony/htc devices alongside as well is this: apple got some things perfectly right whenever they implements them. Lockscreen notifications, the SMS app, push notifications, the email app, device backups, battery life, audio quality, app quality etc etc are pluses which are still there on the iPhone. What they really need to work more on is small UI things like gradients and over the top skeumorphim along with major OS changes like sharing, app defaults and intents, a little more flexibility etc.

It is those reasons that always push me to android devices along with the fact that I like a 4.3-4.7 inch screen more than one handed use which is not coming to iPhone in 2 years at least. But what I find is that some of the annoyances still make me appreciate the iPhone. It is by no means "sucky".

I had high hopes that Samsung will add some good stuff instead of marketing gimmicks this time because I appreciated some of the additions in gs3. Their stock apps were ugly but they were much more functional, the browser was smooth, the audio quality was solid, gallery looked better than what it looks in stock android IMO, SMS app needed theming to get rid of that black, blue and yellow stuff but was better than the big button like messages in stock SMS, and so on.

Too bad they didn't bother copying apple further and instead ran towards adding air stuff.

May be they will learn and work to make touchwiz aesthetic AND not bloated in their next handset, or not repeat it with tizen.

Agreed - after being a 2-platform user for the last few months I've grown to appreciate the nuances of each platform (iOS, Sense Android, Vanilla Android). I've come to the conclusion that all this posturing over which is better and one being awful really is just that - posturing.

I get that one offers more to some. We all choose out devices on which suits our needs. But the reality is, both Android and iOS are in a mature state and really offer the same overall experiences. They just go about it in different ways.

I really haven't changed my overall use case now that I use Android. I've simply adapted my uses to the way Android does things. With the Nexus, I did a lot more tinkering than I ever have because I could, but ultimately, it didn't change the way I see smartphones or use them.

At this point, I'd likely be happy with whatever flagship fell in my lap - as long as it was Android of iOS. Still waiting on WP8's app store to catch up.

sentinelsx
May 10, 2013, 10:23 PM
Agreed - after being a 2-platform user for the last few months I've grown to appreciate the nuances of each platform (iOS, Sense Android, Vanilla Android). I've come to the conclusion that all this posturing over which is better and one being awful really is just that - posturing.

I get that one offers more to some. We all choose out devices on which suits our needs. But the reality is, both Android and iOS are in a mature state and really offer the same overall experiences. They just go about it in different ways.

I really haven't changed my overall use case now that I use Android. I've simply adapted my uses to the way Android does things. With the Nexus, I did a lot more tinkering than I ever have because I could, but ultimately, it didn't change the way I see smartphones or use them.

At this point, I'd likely be happy with whatever flagship fell in my lap - as long as it was Android of iOS. Still waiting on WP8's app store to catch up.

Hmm, but i think android as an open source OS hasn't reached the maturity reached by a closed source OS like iOS. I read a fantastic article from someone about their annoyances with stock android, and was surprised to see a lot of those shared with mine. Matias Duarte himself has said many times that android is getting further refined, and that he doesn't think it is there yet.

When we move to skinned android, well, you see how bad the OEMs really can be. What we get is glitzy futuristic marketing features instead of real functionality that is not as fun to market to the facebook/text only smartphone crowd. Sadly the iPhone 5 still remains a viable choice for me not because i want to, but because the rivals keep failing to provide me with an alternative. Only HTC seems to have done better this time though, with their fast, minimalistic sense 5 phone.

I like your praises about the one and i myself loved the screen and sense 5 during my brief play with it but i am concerned about the 4 MP camera, having email blues and perhaps the battery life.

This is the 4th year in a row that i am still indecisive between keeping the iPhone 5 and purchasing an android on the side or as primary device. Already done that so many times that i am starting to accept that may be iOS 7 will be good enough to keep me content, or may be BB10 will finally start selling or may be samsung will finish their tizen project and we can see what they can really do on their own.