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Pitagora
May 9, 2013, 12:47 PM
Hi,
I intend to buy a couple of emac units, maybe 10-15 and I am planning to open in my country, which is Romania a Internet caffe where I plan not to do hardcore gaming, insteed a nice place where people can meet, drink a coffee/ tea, discuss, surf the web for news and maybe some soft gaming, so here comes the problem, cause I am not familiarize with the PPC arhitecture( I have a 2009 Mac Pro for myself), if I can run counter-strike, warcraft 3/ dota maps, starcraft 1 on some emac which I planning to buy from ebay. I intend to upgrade them as much as I can, 2 gb ram, 250 hard, other things I don't know if I can do.
I expect from you some advices and I wish to you all the best wishes from Romania.



pistooli
May 9, 2013, 12:51 PM
I think eMacs are not up to the standard of today's Internet. I am saying this as an eMac owner and I love the machine. Also they are loud...

MisterKeeks
May 9, 2013, 04:40 PM
Depends on the eMac. The range from 700MHz to twice that, at 1.42 GHz.

Counter Strike looks like it had a Mac port developed in 2013. It being that new, I doubt that it would work on an eMac.

Pitagora
May 10, 2013, 01:36 AM
Regarding counter strike, I don't refer to global waring which is new, I know, I mean it cs1.6 which is very old, maybe 6-8 years?
Anyway I saw that you can still play FIFA 2011 on PowerPC, would this work too on emac?
Can I install leopard, or tiger on these machines? I am not familiar with these versions, cause my first touch with Mac OS was snow leopard, so I ask you on tiger/leopard is there any change to install windows xp via bootcamp?

Graveyard
May 10, 2013, 03:50 AM
Pitagora, contact me on a private message if you need help with anything. You can also contact me on macuser via the same username i have here. And since we both speak the same language, it might be easier for you.

AlbertEinstein
May 10, 2013, 06:26 AM
Let's be completely honest here...
First of all: PowerPC Macs aren't made for todays internet. You can create your own solutions to get it all working, but popular sites like Facebook and Youtube won't function in a good way and it will all be quite slow.

CS 1.6 never made it to the Macintosh and neither did any of the others. The eMac isn't very well suited for gaming except for when it comes to really old games.

Bootcamp didn't exist during the PowerPC era, the only way to run Windows is trough VirtualPC and it is terribly slow and tedious.

You might be able to run 10.5 on your eMacs, but keep in mind that 10.5 is stone age technology by today.


My suggestion to you would be to find some early Intel iMacs, as they are quite cheap by todays standards, and you might even be able to install CS 1.6 using Bootcamp.

Im not saying this because i don't believe in PowerPC (i do!) but I'm thinking about your customers and how frustrated they will get trying to use your systems (and let's not even begin talking about the huge loss of profits) and that wouldn't be good for business.

Albert

Lil Chillbil
May 10, 2013, 03:53 PM
Let's be completely honest here...
First of all: PowerPC Macs aren't made for todays internet. You can create your own solutions to get it all working, but popular sites like Facebook and Youtube won't function in a good way and it will all be quite slow.

CS 1.6 never made it to the Macintosh and neither did any of the others. The eMac isn't very well suited for gaming except for when it comes to really old games.

Bootcamp didn't exist during the PowerPC era, the only way to run Windows is trough VirtualPC and it is terribly slow and tedious.

You might be able to run 10.5 on your eMacs, but keep in mind that 10.5 is stone age technology by today.


My suggestion to you would be to find some early Intel iMacs, as they are quite cheap by todays standards, and you might even be able to install CS 1.6 using Bootcamp.

Im not saying this because i don't believe in PowerPC (i do!) but I'm thinking about your customers and how frustrated they will get trying to use your systems (and let's not even begin talking about the huge loss of profits) and that wouldn't be good for business.

Albert


"Insert benine powerpc rules and you suck comment here"

I too was thinking this, powerpc is great if one user can really get to know a computer and all of its faults and how to get past them. but If I were to walk into a internet cafe I expect to be able to just pull up a chair go onto facebook youtube straight up from the latest browser. and not have to take some dip$#!^ class on how to look "past" the computers faults and do "workarounds

AdrianK
May 12, 2013, 01:29 PM
Anyway I saw that you can still play FIFA 2011 on PowerPC, would this work too on emac?Source? It wasn't released on Mac OS X at all altgough you can run it in a windows wrapper (under Intel only, of course).

This just doesn't sound smart. You don't want to tell your customers "sorry, our computers are too old to run software_here", nor do you want them to think your computers are slow or outdated.

IMO the best path to take would be to pick up some Core2Duo boxes, install windows 7 and a small SSD in each. You'll have responsive machines, running a familiar OS without having to worrying about software compatibility.

Pitagora
May 12, 2013, 02:07 PM
do you think imac 20 core 2 duo 17-19 inch will handle this job?

MrPilot
May 12, 2013, 02:35 PM
Let's be completely honest here...

yes, honesty is always a good thing.... however:


First of all: PowerPC Macs aren't made for todays internet. You can create your own solutions to get it all working, but popular sites like Facebook and Youtube won't function in a good way and it will all be quite slow.

Not a very honest statement/s.... The internet is really fast on this powerbook, with torrents I get 2-3 MB/s download speed.

Also Facebook *might* be 1-2 seconds slower to download than my mbook. After it loads, it's as fast as anything else. (This while downloading HD movies from transmission while listening to spotify and having skype in the background)

I really can't do 1080p youtube, that's like impossible on this 1.67Ghz powerbook. But I certainly can do 360p/480p in the browser and 720p in XBMC. But overall responsiveness is quite fast. (Webkit)



You might be able to run 10.5 on your eMacs, but keep in mind that 10.5 is stone age technology by today.

This 10.5 stoneage system feels a whole lot fresher than win 7... specially with the mountain lion theme.

Im not saying this because i don't believe in PowerPC (i do!)

Albert

Sure you do :P

skateny
May 12, 2013, 03:27 PM
I've read all the posts on this thread, but didn't have anything to add. Until now.

To the OP: As you probably already know, the success of a new business -- any new business -- depends a great deal on first impressions. Word-of-mouth also goes a long way.

Even with all the work-arounds suggested here, the last thing you need is people complaining that they're unhappy with your computers' performance, particularly since you're describing your business as an Internet Cafe.

Also, upgraded PowerPCs, though they may initially provide adequate performance for some, will never be more powerful or faster than they are now on virtually all tasks moving forward. This has little to do with how well PowerPCs work for an ever-shrinking population of those of us who've upgraded and retasked our PowerPCs for specific applications. You might find yourself looking to upgrade several rigs at once in a very short period of time.

My point: I'm starting a new business, I want everything to be running well and smoothly right out of the gate.

ihuman:D
May 12, 2013, 03:33 PM
Let's be completely honest here...
First of all: PowerPC Macs aren't made for todays internet. You can create your own solutions to get it all working, but popular sites like Facebook and Youtube won't function in a good way and it will all be quite slow.

CS 1.6 never made it to the Macintosh and neither did any of the others. The eMac isn't very well suited for gaming except for when it comes to really old games.

Bootcamp didn't exist during the PowerPC era, the only way to run Windows is trough VirtualPC and it is terribly slow and tedious.

You might be able to run 10.5 on your eMacs, but keep in mind that 10.5 is stone age technology by today.

My suggestion to you would be to find some early Intel iMacs, as they are quite cheap by todays standards, and you might even be able to install CS 1.6 using Bootcamp.

Im not saying this because i don't believe in PowerPC (i do!) but I'm thinking about your customers and how frustrated they will get trying to use your systems (and let's not even begin talking about the huge loss of profits) and that wouldn't be good for business.

Albert

So is XP yet it was the most widely used consumer OS last August but is now at about 35% marketshare over a decade after it's release.

MisterKeeks
May 12, 2013, 05:07 PM
yes, honesty is always a good thing.... however:



Not a very honest statement/s.... The internet is really fast on this powerbook, with torrents I get 2-3 MB/s download speed.


If either of those statements were dishonest it would be yours. Einstein was pretty clear that by today's Internet, he didn't mean Internet speeds- he meant overall performance of sites- which has little to do with torrent speed. Performance of sites is (far) below what a paying customer would expect. And speed isn't all- how are you going to tell them "to view a video on YouTube, hold the control key while clicking anywhere but the video and choose open in QuickTime, click ok, go to view- full screen". That simply isn't acceptable.



This 10.5 stoneage system feels a whole lot fresher than win 7... specially with the mountain lion theme.



Sure you do :P

Good luck telling the person who can't do xyz that it "feels fresh". It's not, and it shows in the software compatibility department.

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So is XP yet it was the most widely used consumer OS last August but is now at about 35% marketshare over a decade after it's release.

Because of its market share, XP still is a supported platform and it has software developed for it. Leo does not command that kind of market share, so it is unsupported, less secure, and has very few Applications developed for it.

MrPilot
May 13, 2013, 04:09 AM
If either of those statements were dishonest it would be yours. Einstein was pretty clear that by today's Internet, he didn't mean Internet speeds- he meant overall performance of sites- which has little to do with torrent speed. Performance of sites is (far) below what a paying customer would expect. And speed isn't all- how are you going to tell them "to view a video on YouTube, hold the control key while clicking anywhere but the video and choose open in QuickTime, click ok, go to view- full screen". That simply isn't acceptable.




Good luck telling the person who can't do xyz that it "feels fresh". It's not, and it shows in the software compatibility department.

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Because of its market share, XP still is a supported platform and it has software developed for it. Leo does not command that kind of market share, so it is unsupported, less secure, and has very few Applications developed for it.

Hi.

You clearly didnt read my entire post, or at least didn't understand the facebook comment I did. Of course I know he was talking about general performance with java, flash etc.

Like I said, facebook is as fast as any other computer.... and for me, also google maps, mail, etc are all just fine! I think you are using an older powerpc as a benchmark for the entire powerpc product line, which isn't quite fair. I dont have to ctrl-click because I can have two finger-secondary click on the powerbook's trackpad and beside I just leave all youtube videos to play 480p flash or html5, both actually work fine.

I'm sure the best powerpc will perform even better than my pb... it's all relative.

AlbertEinstein
May 13, 2013, 05:34 AM
Hi.

You clearly didnt read my entire post, or at least didn't understand the facebook comment I did. Of course I know he was talking about general performance with java, flash etc.

Like I said, facebook is as fast as any other computer.... and for me, also google maps, mail, etc are all just fine! I think you are using an older powerpc as a benchmark for the entire powerpc product line, which isn't quite fair. I dont have to ctrl-click because I can have two finger-secondary click on the powerbook's trackpad and beside I just leave all youtube videos to play 480p flash or html5, both actually work fine.

I'm sure the best powerpc will perform even better than my pb... it's all relative.

You might be fine with your PowerBook, but we're talking about eMacs. And once again; my point was about plug and play. PowerPC won't give the casual visitors the speed and reliability that Intel-machines can provide, end of discussion.

Pitagora
May 13, 2013, 05:51 AM
so, like a conclusion, imac intel 17-19 would handle these tasks?

Southern Dad
May 13, 2013, 06:14 AM
The Internet Cafes I encountered overseas were smoky places with guys surfing away on the Internet pretending to be women to try and get men to send Western Unions. I think eMacs would work fine for that. But gaming? No way.

T'hain Esh Kelch
May 13, 2013, 06:36 AM
so, like a conclusion, imac intel 17-19 would handle these tasks?
Probably yes. Buy one, see how it works out for you, and then buy some more?

MrPilot
May 13, 2013, 07:36 AM
You might be fine with your PowerBook, but we're talking about eMacs. And once again; my point was about plug and play. PowerPC won't give the casual visitors the speed and reliability that Intel-machines can provide, end of discussion.

Yes, I didn't object to the first reply of emacs being too slow, but the second reply was for labeling the entire powerpc as a whole of being uncapable of running the 'net.

Mind I've had most of apple product line, and I honestly haven't touched my macbook 17" since getting this DLHR 15" powerbook. I use heavy java websites for flight planning and coordinating mass & balance and performance calc. with OPS which in turn is transfered to my EFB (electronic flight bag). It works fine on the powerbook. Same goes for my synthetic procedural flight training. I use x-plane 10 on macbook but x-plane 9 is almost as good a platform and it works fine on the powerbook.

I have yet to find something I really CANT do on this machine.
The biggest issue is that things work fine now, but I don't know what the future have in store...maybe they will be completely worthless in 2 more years, who knows?

MrPilot
May 13, 2013, 07:49 AM
so, like a conclusion, imac intel 17-19 would handle these tasks?

Btw, the two biggest issues with powermacs in cyber cafes are:

1. The future.... new internet standards/protocols not yet implemented might render this unsupported platform useless. (New java, flash, etc)

2. Youtube in HD.... however do you have enough power to provide say 10 computers at the same time with enough bandwidth to stream HD?

Those are the two things I believe nobody can fix

Jethryn Freyman
May 13, 2013, 10:25 AM
Counter Strike in any form won't work.

Warcraft 3 works at lower resolutions and detail settings on my 1GHz eMac with a 32MB Radeon 7500.

Unreal Tournament works well, Quake 1,2,3 do, UT2004 can play small games and low settings.

MisterKeeks
May 13, 2013, 04:40 PM
Hi.

You clearly didnt read my entire post, or at least didn't understand the facebook comment I did. Of course I know he was talking about general performance with java, flash etc.


Then how come you instead used BitTorrent download speed as your benchmark?


Like I said, facebook is as fast as any other computer.... and for me, also google maps, mail, etc are all just fine!
I think you are using an older powerpc as a benchmark for the entire powerpc product line, which isn't quite fair.

No, I'm using the second fastest PowerPC ever made, a dual 2.7 G5.

I dont have to ctrl-click because I can have two finger-secondary click on the powerbook's trackpad and beside I just leave all youtube videos to play 480p flash or html5, both actually work fine.

I was using the steps from the QTE plugin for TenFourFox. It opens the video in Quicktime, which is faster than HTML5 or Flash. Faster is useful if you want to view videos at higher than 480p.

I'm sure the best powerpc will perform even better than my pb... it's all relative.

And even the best eMac will not perform as well as it.

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I have yet to find something I really CANT do on this machine.
The biggest issue is that things work fine now, but I don't know what the future have in store...maybe they will be completely worthless in 2 more years, who knows?

You just did- X-Plane 10. Also- Google voice, Google Plus video chat, Java 1.6/7 (which will prevent Minecraft and Facebook video chat from running- I'm fine with this). Picasa- no. MS Word 2011- no. New versions of Blender- no.

Lil Chillbil
May 15, 2013, 07:35 PM
Hi.

You clearly didnt read my entire post, or at least didn't understand the facebook comment I did. Of course I know he was talking about general performance with java, flash etc.

Like I said, facebook is as fast as any other computer.... and for me, also google maps, mail, etc are all just fine! I think you are using an older powerpc as a benchmark for the entire powerpc product line, which isn't quite fair. I dont have to ctrl-click because I can have two finger-secondary click on the powerbook's trackpad and beside I just leave all youtube videos to play 480p flash or html5, both actually work fine.

I'm sure the best powerpc will perform even better than my pb... it's all relative.

yes but the op was looking for something that could do light gaming. here we have quake 4 which was regared as one of the best looking games of 2004 with texture mods at max settings . given this is the kind of gaming powerpc can offer and I myself have spent many weeks playing on its large multiplayer base that is still very active with mods and clans and stuff

System specs 2.5Ghz quad g5 16-gb ram 7800 512mb card

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx294/82globe/Games/Quake4_2012_08_24_18_10_46_528.jpg




and here we have metro last light a game that is destined to win about as many awards as quake 4 did in 2004. running on medium settings it looks damn tasty running on my i5 specs in sig

http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/images/metro-last-light-1.png


Now trolls may ask "Why Kull are you comparing two totally different gens of gaming" the reason being that its all about what kids/teens of today would expect to be able to play if they walked into a "modern" internet cafe. No kid is going to say to his friends hey you wanna go play quake live at that internet cafe. No sir they are going to go down there play crysis and call of duty. And no respectable business would ever even consider using powerpc to this day. even core 2 duo imac are out because of the horrid graphics card


just my 2 cents

crewkid89
May 17, 2013, 04:13 PM
I have never been to an internet cafe. Are they meant for heavy duty gaming as some have suggested here or just for light web browsing and work?

If they are more for work and browsing then I feel like that for the same price you could get 10 good condition, 1.42ghz eMacs with maxed ram, you could probably get 10 Core 2 Duo Desktops 2gb and some used monitors. You could run a linux distro on them and run chrome in kiosk mode. They could be set to wipe all browsing data when the person logs out.

This would probably be much more secure and cost effective for a public computing space and would be similar to how college campuses have public computing spaces set up.

AlbertEinstein
May 17, 2013, 05:47 PM
I have never been to an internet cafe. Are they meant for heavy duty gaming as some have suggested here or just for light web browsing and work?

If they are more for work and browsing then I feel like that for the same price you could get 10 good condition, 1.42ghz eMacs with maxed ram, you could probably get 10 Core 2 Duo Desktops 2gb and some used monitors. You could run a linux distro on them and run chrome in kiosk mode. They could be set to wipe all browsing data when the person logs out.

This would probably be much more secure and cost effective for a public computing space and would be similar to how college campuses have public computing spaces set up.

Minus the eMacs.

Lil Chillbil
May 17, 2013, 05:54 PM
I have never been to an internet cafe. Are they meant for heavy duty gaming as some have suggested here or just for light web browsing and work?

If they are more for work and browsing then I feel like that for the same price you could get 10 good condition, 1.42ghz eMacs with maxed ram, you could probably get 10 Core 2 Duo Desktops 2gb and some used monitors. You could run a linux distro on them and run chrome in kiosk mode. They could be set to wipe all browsing data when the person logs out.

This would probably be much more secure and cost effective for a public computing space and would be similar to how college campuses have public computing spaces set up.

There is one by my house that I used to frequent regularly its part comic/anime/card shop part ongoing halo c.e and call of duty lan party.

TacticalDesire
May 21, 2013, 07:37 PM
Get some used/refurbished off lease business machines. They'll most likely be Core 2 duo and have at least 2gb of RAM. They'll probably have Windows XP on them so that will have to be upgraded to a newer version of windows or something like Ubuntu. It will give your customers a much better experience.

rabidz7
May 23, 2013, 06:50 AM
I'd recommend iMac G5's. They can easily handle web browsing.

Goftrey
May 23, 2013, 03:29 PM
I'd recommend iMac G5's. They can easily handle web browsing.

Core Duo (or even Core 2 Duo) iMacs are going for only a smidgen more than the G5's nowadays - and although they still have their issues they'd be a far more reliable, quick & quieter choice to go with.

rabidz7
May 23, 2013, 03:32 PM
Core Duo (or even Core 2 Duo) iMacs are going for only a smidgen more than the G5's nowadays - and although they still have their issues they'd be a far more reliable, quick & quieter choice to go with.
iMac G5=bad caps
iMac intel=bad GPU

Both iMacs have their issues.

goMac
May 23, 2013, 03:48 PM
CS 1.6 never made it to the Macintosh and neither did any of the others. The eMac isn't very well suited for gaming except for when it comes to really old games.

It's many many years late, but CS 1.6 is on the Mac. There is an official port from Valve on Steam. (They also have the original Half Life and all the spin offs.)

Still won't work on a PPC Mac though.

Intell
May 23, 2013, 04:41 PM
iMac G5=bad caps
iMac intel=bad GPU

Both iMacs have their issues.

Not all white Intell iMacs have a bad GPU. The GMA 950 based ones are pretty stable.

Jethryn Freyman
May 23, 2013, 05:19 PM
iMac G5=bad caps
iMac intel=bad GPU

Both iMacs have their issues.
What? The Intel iMacs with Mobility Radeons kicked the ass of any G5 iMac.

Not all white Intell iMacs have a bad GPU. The GMA 950 based ones are pretty stable.
The GMA ones were crippled educational dump stuff

Goftrey
May 23, 2013, 05:27 PM
The GMA ones were crippled educational dump stuff

Apple used the GMA950s in the entry level 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo iMac in late 2006 (which were available to the public). Give me the option of an entry level 1.83 C2D iMac w/ the GMA950 or a 2.0 C2d w/ the X1600 & I'd go with the 1.83 all day long.

Intell
May 23, 2013, 05:35 PM
What? The Intel iMacs with Mobility Radeons kicked the ass of any G5 iMac.

The GMA ones were crippled educational dump stuff

Of the four GPUs offered for white Intell iMacs, I'd rather use the GMA 950 over the ATI X1600 or the Nvidia GeForce 7300/7600 GT. While the slowest of the bunch, they don't have the GPU failure problems that the other cards have. The GMA 950 iMacs were not all crippled educational ones. Towards the end of that iMac's model run, they became available to the general public.

goMac
May 23, 2013, 06:12 PM
Apple used the GMA950s in the entry level 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo iMac in late 2006 (which were available to the public). Give me the option of an entry level 1.83 C2D iMac w/ the GMA950 or a 2.0 C2d w/ the X1600 & I'd go with the 1.83 all day long.

Seriously? The GMA950 wasn't awful if you had no other options, but it was a dog. The X1600 at least had dedicated VRAM and actual shader units.

I guess if you're not playing games it's ok. But it's like comparing a bus to a sports car.

The NVidias of that era did have problems, but I don't recall the X1600 having wide spread failures.

rabidz7
May 23, 2013, 06:28 PM
What? The Intel iMacs with Mobility Radeons kicked the ass of any G5 iMac.


The GMA ones were crippled educational dump stuff

I am not talking about speed. I am talking about iMacs which GPUs artifact and fry like an egg.

Lil Chillbil
May 23, 2013, 11:39 PM
I am not talking about speed. I am talking about iMacs which GPUs artifact and fry like an egg.

Can any and I mean any of the white imacs realisticly run bad company 2 on lowest settings? no

crysis 1 which came out in late 2006 when these imacs came out? no


all of them were dogs to begin with and the imac lineup always will be


now to the op lets talk about getting you some real power with some overclocked pentium d gamers with 4670s and 6 gigs of ram for your customers to enjoy their computing lives on


each computer can be built for around $150 and if you have 16 of them it should be quite the lan party on bad company 2

Graveyard
May 24, 2013, 12:55 AM
I am not talking about speed. I am talking about iMacs which GPUs artifact and fry like an egg.

Have you ever owned any of the white ones with x1600? I've had 3 of them. I sold the last one a couple of months ago. None of them ever had any problems with the gpu. I only opened them before selling them to clean the dust as a measure of precaution. They were all used in rooms where there was cigarette smoke. I must tell you that they were cleaner on the inside than any of the Alu Imacs they replaced. I bought the first one brand new when they came out, and the other two second hand. All 3 of them a still in pristine condition, both visually and from the functionality point of view.

Some of them had problems with faulty gpus, NOT ALL OF THEM!

Wildy
May 24, 2013, 02:34 AM
Can any and I mean any of the white imacs realisticly run bad company 2 on lowest settings? no

crysis 1 which came out in late 2006 when these imacs came out? no


all of them were dogs to begin with and the imac lineup always will be


now to the op lets talk about getting you some real power with some overclocked pentium d gamers with 4670s and 6 gigs of ram for your customers to enjoy their computing lives on


each computer can be built for around $150 and if you have 16 of them it should be quite the lan party on bad company 2

Have you considered how high his electricity bill is going to be if he has an armada of Pentium D-powered machines? The older ones have a 130W TDP. That's ridiculous. If you're going to build, you can get much better C2Ds for less than 20.

Who even plays Crysis in an internet cafe? The defacto games (and the ones specified by OP) are CS 1.6, WC3 + DoTA, DoTA 2, Quake Live, Starcraft 1, Starcraft 2. All of those will run on just about anything, and even SC2 has quite low requirements if you adjust the settings.

Goftrey
May 24, 2013, 06:29 AM
Seriously? The GMA950 wasn't awful if you had no other options, but it was a dog. The X1600 at least had dedicated VRAM and actual shader units.

I guess if you're not playing games it's ok. But it's like comparing a bus to a sports car.

The NVidias of that era did have problems, but I don't recall the X1600 having wide spread failures.

The GMA950 is a dog. But does do/has done everything I needed to on a computer (had a white MB w/ the 950 & an iMac w/ the X1600). If you're playing games at all you're not going to go with an '06 iMac full stop. Peace of mind is worth more than anything in my book. I'd rather drive around in the bus over the sports car if I knew the bus would run forever & the sports car would run for x amount of time before conking out (x being a couple of months or forever, it's all luck of the draw).

Cox Orange
May 24, 2013, 12:12 PM
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Who even plays Crysis in an internet cafe? ...

Maybe that will be his unique selling proposition ;) ("the worlds only internet cafe that offers you Crisis to play... if you want to")
If you are short on money at the start up it would be like gambling. a) shall I buy better/costier machines to be able to offer crisis? If they don't play crisis there is maybe more power for the future, but also more value loss of the machines in a short time b) shall I buy less powerful machines at lower prices, but not be able to offer crisis? Well the downside can be, that you will be reinvesting after 1-2 years, because the machines are to slow for the future or you see it like, if the price is already at a low baseline, than the loss of money when selling them for newer ones will be not that much.

Both cost something (a. costs much once; b. might costs less but at two times). You will also want to have in mind, when you invest, what you will loose for a) and what for b) if the visitors are coming, but they are not coming much because of a bad first impression OR if it doesn't work out anyway.
Hm, I don't know...


Consider price for getting them versus price for electricity bill (cheap machine with high power requirement might be only cheap at the beginning).

! about flash: all the workarounds do not help, if there is a site that tells you "you need flash 10.2 to visit this page" and the plugin that allows PowerPC Macs to tell the asking webpage that it is 10.2, though it is 10.1 does not work.
I have this plugin and I still can't watch short sport-video-summaries, because the site (sportschau.de) still says "you don't have 10.2 installed, so piss off!". I contacted the television channel that hosts this page (it is one of the two major German state television channels. They told me, if flash can't be used, the site should usually detect it and switch to html5 for smart-phones, which should work on an old PowerPC, too.
Well it does not and I still can't watch it.

Would you like to always run around and try to get it running and help the visitor find out, how he can watch the content as html5, if the site does not switch on its own? Most customers will just quit the browser and go away, without tellign you it did not work. After a few months you will think "why are less and less people coming?"

I do not think Romania is that much of a poor or even under developed country that people will think "ok, I can't do that, but at least I can read my emails here" or is it?
Well, young people might like your cafe, if they can play games there that are only sold to them, if they are over 18 and they are not, but letting them play these games at your cafe might be illegal, too. I do not know what laws you have over there. In western europe one would think that you can buy a copy of a game for cheap in Romania anyway, is that the same to residents of Romania, too? Or just a cliche.


Electricity again (measured it myself with a wattmeter):
- iMac G3 DV 400MHz uses about 100W, because of its built in CRT. What will an eMac with a bigger CRT consume, though with more CPU power?
- ibook G4 12" 1,33GHz uses about 30W, youtube-videos: cartoons at 320p are ok, only skipping frames/jumping, every 10minutes. Sports at 320p, stop-motion picture-show, with skipped scenes. 240p like looking through mist
- PowerMac G4 500MHz = 55W
- same PowerMac G4 with 1,2GHz (7455) Upgrade = 90W (almost same to the CRT-iMac)
- same PowerMac G4 with 2x1,8GHz (7447) Upgrade = 145W (youtube would not use the second core though)

I did not test web experience on the PowerMacs.

Now, what consumes an iMac G4, G5, Intel? I never had one. But using an Intel-Mac may be more power at the same electricity used.

Buy yourself a wattmeter. Buy some machines the other users recommend at EBay. Only buy one and sell it again, then buy the next. Do all tests on them that you want and make a note, what they consumed and how your experience was.
After doing these test, make your decision/calculation: buying price + electricity for number of hours the cafe will be open + fees for the room (if it isn't yours) + considering future reliability and value loss over time.

ihuman:D
May 24, 2013, 03:12 PM
Can any and I mean any of the white imacs realisticly run bad company 2 on lowest settings? no

crysis 1 which came out in late 2006 when these imacs came out? no


all of them were dogs to begin with and the imac lineup always will be


now to the op lets talk about getting you some real power with some overclocked pentium d gamers with 4670s and 6 gigs of ram for your customers to enjoy their computing lives on


each computer can be built for around $150 and if you have 16 of them it should be quite the lan party on bad company 2

2GB 680MX and an I7-3770. Please. Just stop now. :rolleyes:

The new iMacs beat the crap out of your set up above.
IMO keep away from PDs, they are just P4x2 - Which has even worse power requirements and heat output, while still being slow, than P4s. You'd have to be mad to get a PD.
C2Ds or PDCs are much better and pretty much the same to each other except the PDC is a lower-end C2D - They also output less heat and consume less power than the PDs while still being much faster.

Lil Chillbil
May 24, 2013, 04:05 PM
2GB 680MX and an I7-3770. Please. Just stop now. :rolleyes:

The new iMacs beat the crap out of your set up above.
IMO keep away from PDs, they are just P4x2 - Which has even worse power requirements and heat output, while still being slow, than P4s. You'd have to be mad to get a PD.
C2Ds or PDCs are much better and pretty much the same to each other except the PDC is a lower-end C2D - They also output less heat and consume less power than the PDs while still being much faster.

Not really, in a price/performance difference the pentium d gaming rigs of yesteryear really blow the new imacs out of the water. unless the op wants to spend $1000 a piece on some piece of hardware he is going to charge about $12 dollars an hour for someone to use. And since he was origionally considering emacs for about $25 a pop I would say that anything more than a pentium 4 based computer or powermac g4 quicksilver would be way out of the op's price range



Speaking of which, where is the Op? he just sorta asked if emacs would work and then just dissapeared

Goftrey
May 24, 2013, 04:26 PM
Not really, in a price/performance difference the pentium d gaming rigs of yesteryear really blow the new imacs out of the water. unless the op wants to spend $1000 a piece on some piece of hardware he is going to charge about $12 dollars an hour for someone to use.

Intel were always digging themselves a VERY big whole with the P4's - they just had to keep on upping to the GHz to high-heavens just to keep up with their competitors. Then that wasn't enough - so they came along with the D's, which produced decent performance but sucked even more power, ran even hotter & still had to be clocked at 3GHz+ to make it even a feasible option.

These ex. office pizza box C2D systems are EVERYWHERE online, they will blow the D's out of the water, will run a lot cooler, will have newer I/O on the board & will cost about the same.

Lil Chillbil
May 24, 2013, 11:10 PM
Intel were always digging themselves a VERY big whole with the P4's - they just had to keep on upping to the GHz to high-heavens just to keep up with their competitors. Then that wasn't enough - so they came along with the D's, which produced decent performance but sucked even more power, ran even hotter & still had to be clocked at 3GHz+ to make it even a feasible option.

These ex. office pizza box C2D systems are EVERYWHERE online, they will blow the D's out of the water, will run a lot cooler, will have newer I/O on the board & will cost about the same.

my pentium d is clocked at 4.2 ghz has 8 gigs of ram and usb 3.0

Jethryn Freyman
May 25, 2013, 04:33 AM
Seriously? The GMA950 wasn't awful if you had no other options, but it was a dog. The X1600 at least had dedicated VRAM and actual shader units.

I guess if you're not playing games it's ok. But it's like comparing a bus to a sports car.

The NVidias of that era did have problems, but I don't recall the X1600 having wide spread failures.
^^ This, as far as raw GPU power goes, the HD 4000 in the current MB Airs is outdone by the oldschool Radeon X800 in my G5 tower with a slight overclock.

I am not talking about speed. I am talking about iMacs which GPUs artifact and fry like an egg.
I've got a 20" 2.0GHz CD with the Radeon, it's alive and kicking after ~7 years. It did have artifacts at one stage, but that turned out, somehow, to be the result of a huge dust buildup around the memory (literally blowing the dust out and reseating the memory fixed that.)

Have you ever owned any of the white ones with x1600? I've had 3 of them. I sold the last one a couple of months ago. None of them ever had any problems with the gpu. I only opened them before selling them to clean the dust as a measure of precaution.
I think it was more a bad capacitor problem rather than a GPU issue when it did happen, I've looked after 4x 17" iMacs with vertical distortion down the screens, never gets any better or worse, two were G5 units with Radeon X600 Pros, one other was a C2D model with X1600, the other was an Intel model with a GMA 950.

Who even plays Crysis in an internet cafe? The defacto games (and the ones specified by OP) are CS 1.6, WC3 + DoTA, DoTA 2, Quake Live, Starcraft 1, Starcraft 2. All of those will run on just about anything, and even SC2 has quite low requirements if you adjust the settings.
I don't live in exactly the biggest town, but even years ago the defacto games with the highschool kids were stuff like CoD4

Wildy
May 25, 2013, 05:37 AM
COD4 will also run on just about everything, which is nice. Different locales I guess? The couple I've seen near me are full of old schoolers.

Jethryn Freyman
May 25, 2013, 06:36 AM
COD4 will also run on just about everything, which is nice. Different locales I guess? The couple I've seen near me are full of old schoolers.
Depends on your standard of "well". It runs OK, mostly, at low-res and low to moderate graphics on a CD Radeon X1600.

Goftrey
May 25, 2013, 07:07 AM
my pentium d is clocked at 4.2 ghz has 8 gigs of ram and usb 3.0

Good for you.

...But what relevance does have to my post? If anything it backs it up.

Wildy
May 25, 2013, 07:11 AM
Depends on your standard of "well". It runs OK, mostly, at low-res and low to moderate graphics on a CD Radeon X1600.

More with regards to the proposed specs that Chillbil posted. Regardless, I actually prefer to have the settings turned all the way down for multiplayer as there are less distractions.

Lil Chillbil
May 25, 2013, 10:20 AM
Good for you.

...But what relevance does have to my post? If anything it backs it up.

I agree with you on the c2d boxes. They can be found on ebay for very cheap.


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/xBgAAMXQLbVRbbwl/$T2eC16dHJHIFFhff7jNEBRbbwkk7ng~~60_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F


and on the topic of mw1 all you need to run that game is 1 gig of ram p4 and a 64mb graphics card. so if you can triple of double those specs, you can jack up the settings and the kids won't know the difference in the graphics of modern warfare vs something like battlefield on low settings

skateny
May 25, 2013, 12:55 PM
. . .where is the Op? he just sorta asked if emacs would work and then just dissapeared

Where is the OP indeed. Be nice to know whether or not he made a decision on all this.

ihuman:D
May 25, 2013, 02:36 PM
my pentium d is clocked at 4.2 ghz has 8 gigs of ram and usb 3.0

You poor, poor thing...

Seriously though, how much power does it consume and how much heat does it produce?

Lil Chillbil
May 26, 2013, 12:33 PM
You poor, poor thing...

Seriously though, how much power does it consume and how much heat does it produce?

Well with all the hdds and dvd burners and the now 2 beefy old cards in the thing. I got it hooked up to a 1000 watt power supply and its running constantly backing things up from my network 24/7 and rendering footage in cs4.


This is the cooler I have on the thing http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2006/07/14/game_over_core_2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/cooler.jpg its just the stock intel cooler.


but I do have a total of 9 fans strategically placed inside the box to keep a massive windtunnel that keeps everything frosty.

It reminds me of my g5

Jethryn Freyman
May 27, 2013, 10:59 PM
More with regards to the proposed specs that Chillbil posted. Regardless, I actually prefer to have the settings turned all the way down for multiplayer as there are less distractions.
It took me forever to figure out why hiding in the pretty foliage in UT2004 wasn't hiding me from anybody when I played online. Then again, I'm also the guy that played I think Quake 3 for 2 hours online, only to then realise they were actually bots.

Wildy
May 28, 2013, 02:11 AM
Heh, I'm not sure if it's the same on Q3, but in QL the bots trash-talk you. A little un-nerving the first time as I thought I was supposed to be playing against bots.

Jethryn Freyman
May 28, 2013, 06:16 AM
Heh, I'm not sure if it's the same on Q3, but in QL the bots trash-talk you. A little un-nerving the first time as I thought I was supposed to be playing against bots.
lolz. Yeah same in Q3, use your name and everything, I think I was playing Urban Terror, closest I could get to Counter Strike on PPC, and it uses the Q3 engine