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MacRumors
May 9, 2013, 03:14 PM
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Apple has released Thunderbolt Firmware update for all Macs with Thunderbolt ports, providing stability fixes for Thunderbolt and Target Disk Mode.

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The update requires OS X Lion 10.8.3 or later and uses 1.22MB of disk space. The update can be downloaded via Apple's software update page (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1653) or through the Mac App Store.

Article Link: Apple Releases Thunderbolt Software Update 1.2 (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/09/apple-releases-thunderbolt-software-update-1-2/)



MagnusVonMagnum
May 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
Hooray! My ZERO Thunderbolt devices appreciate the update Apple. ;) :D

spazzcat
May 9, 2013, 03:30 PM
Hooray! My ZERO Thunderbolt devices appreciate the update Apple. ;) :D

For us that use it daily, do as well :p

Peace
May 9, 2013, 03:35 PM
For us that use it daily, do as well :p

I'm so used to Thunderbolt,SSD's and USB 3.0 I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to slower technology.

Albeit for an expensive price. Well worth it imho.

Dave-Z
May 9, 2013, 03:48 PM
... Perhaps this will stop my MBPr from freezing when I connect the Thunderbolt/Ethernet adapter.

Exotic-Car Man
May 9, 2013, 04:01 PM
I'm going to be sure to backup my iMac first after what happened last time (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/thunderbolt-software-update-1-2-causing-boot-failures-for-some-users) there was a Thunderbolt update. I need to be prepared for another kernel panic. My rule of thumb is to always backup before installing an update that requires a restart.

parish
May 9, 2013, 04:07 PM
The update requires OS X Lion 10.8.3 or later

10.8.3 is Mountain Lion is it not? Do they mean that, or 10.7.3?

Michael Goff
May 9, 2013, 04:09 PM
Now if only I had a use for my Thunderbolt port.

Mac32
May 9, 2013, 04:10 PM
Can we finally use the iMac as an external display to a thunderpolt PC now?

Quu
May 9, 2013, 04:11 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

EDIT:// Ok you can stop replying now :P - I get it, you guys love Thunderbolt.

b0fh
May 9, 2013, 04:14 PM
... Perhaps this will stop my MBPr from freezing when I connect the Thunderbolt/Ethernet adapter.

I use that nearly every day. No problems, whether I plug it in when the machine is in sleep (lid closed, plug in, open lid) or not (lid open, plug in).

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I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

Hell no. Hooks up to my thunderbolt display really nicely. And I have a second thunderbolt in the box next to it, just waiting for me to pull it out. The lack of a mess of wires is much much appreciated.

Parasprite
May 9, 2013, 04:20 PM
I wonder if this affects Thunderbolt -> HDMI adapters in any way. :confused:

echoout
May 9, 2013, 04:20 PM
I've depended on Thunderbolt for quite a while on my MBP for my 10Gbe, Sonnet SSD RAID and Blackmagic cards. No problems here. I'm not updating.

cube
May 9, 2013, 04:22 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

It is not another FireWire. FireWire was quite popular and not that expensive.

smiddlehurst
May 9, 2013, 04:29 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

Good lord no, for certain tasks Thunderbolt is well worth the price premium especially if you're earning a living on devices that connect that way.

You're right in a way though, Thunderbolt much like Firewire will almost certainly not be the consumer standard as USB (in this case USB3) is fine for the majority of users and doesn't incur the extra costs associated with implementing the standard. But for those that need the benefits of that standard (or who can afford to pay extra for the best possible performance) it's a god send. The problem is that some (and there are dozens of examples just on these forums) don't get what it's for or why it's expensive and start complaining while the simple fact is for them it's a luxury item and a USB 3 device would meet their needs perfectly. Actually now that I think about it maybe a better analogy would be the old days of SCSI versus IDE.

TallGuyGT
May 9, 2013, 04:29 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

I use it to connect to the Thunderbolt Display, which makes for a very nice laptop docking station. The integrated Thunderbolt/power cable drives the display and connects my keyboard, printer, external hard disk and Ethernet. Very convenient.

keigo
May 9, 2013, 04:34 PM
update it and now my thunderbolt HDD cannot be detached..

Great...

pgiguere1
May 9, 2013, 04:44 PM
I wonder if this affects Thunderbolt -> HDMI adapters in any way. :confused:

No. Such adapters are really Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapters, Thunderbolt isn't involved.

j33pd0g
May 9, 2013, 04:45 PM
I wonder if this affects Thunderbolt -> HDMI adapters in any way. :confused:

I have a Thunderbolt to HDMI cable, and it's working great. Doubt l'll ever update my MacBook Pro. I'll probably never update iTunes either. I remember one update that wouldn't let me play iTunes content on my TV (second display, not mirrored). The next update fixed it, so that's where I'm staying.

embraceware
May 9, 2013, 04:46 PM
I'm hoping this fixes the sound crackle that occurs when a Mac connected via Target Display Mode wakes from sleep and the random screen blackouts...

Currently using a 27" iMac with 2 other 27" iMacs connected as displays via target display mode.

Pro tip: You can use the Audio Midi Setup app to merge the speakers of each Mac connected via target display mode into a single sound card entity.

arkmannj
May 9, 2013, 04:49 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

I would prefer the Thunderbolt, even if I don't use it often, it is more versitile, hook up displays, USB, drives, ethernet, firewire, etc.. etc...

iMouse
May 9, 2013, 05:16 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

I want to stab myself every time I am required to use USB 2 over FireWire 800. I'd imagine in 5 or so years, I'm going to feel the same way about USB 3 and ThunderBolt.

Dave-Z
May 9, 2013, 05:36 PM
I use that nearly every day. No problems, whether I plug it in when the machine is in sleep (lid closed, plug in, open lid) or not (lid open, plug in).

Yeah, that's usually the case. At first I thought it might be a hardware issue, but there's enough people in Apple's forums and elsewhere reporting it that I think it's just a bug.

guan
May 9, 2013, 05:40 PM
My Thunderbolt port on my mid-2011 MacBook Air 13" stopped working after I installed this update, for both Thunderbolt devices and with a display that does DisplayPort without Thunderbolt. Did anyone else experience this?

This is what it now says in System Information for that port:

Port:
Status: No device connected
Link Status: 0x7
Port Micro Firmware Version: FFFF.FF.FF

Robert.Walter
May 9, 2013, 06:02 PM
I'm confused, my mid2011 MBA claims Tbolt Sw Udte V 1.2.1 was installed on 2012.06.21.

Is this an update that is just being rolled out to other devices now?

MikhailT
May 9, 2013, 06:16 PM
My Thunderbolt port on my mid-2011 MacBook Air 13" stopped working after I installed this update, for both Thunderbolt devices and with a display that does DisplayPort without Thunderbolt. Did anyone else experience this?

This is what it now says in System Information for that port:

Port:
Status: No device connected
Link Status: 0x7
Port Micro Firmware Version: FFFF.FF.FF

Try rebooting without any TB devices connected and then re-connect it, see if that'll help.

carestudio
May 9, 2013, 06:28 PM
Can we finally use the iMac as an external display to a thunderpolt PC now?

why?

Yamcha
May 9, 2013, 06:29 PM
Awesome, now I can buy an expensive overpriced Thunderbolt device!

ThunderSkunk
May 9, 2013, 06:34 PM
why?

Because a base model imac is only a couple hundred more than an standalone display. So if you already know you need a powerful portable, like a fully loaded MBP, then it makes sense to put the power into that, and use an iMac as a nice external display when you need the screen real estate. ...but with the added bonus that it isn't just a useless item cluttering up your desk the rest of the time. You can use it for a family computer, or a media center...

If TB displays had a little chip with iOS built in so you could at least AirPlay to it from an iOS device, then they wouldn't be such a waste of $ when you're not sitting there plugged into them.

But no.

haruhiko
May 9, 2013, 07:07 PM
Because a base model imac is only a couple hundred more than an standalone display. So if you already know you need a powerful portable, like a fully loaded MBP, then it makes sense to put the power into that, and use an iMac as a nice external display when you need the screen real estate. ...but with the added bonus that it isn't just a useless item cluttering up your desk the rest of the time. You can use it for a family computer, or a media center...

If TB displays had a little chip with iOS built in so you could at least AirPlay to it from an iOS device, then they wouldn't be such a waste of $ when you're not sitting there plugged into them.

But no.just install the app "AirServer" on the mac.

iMacDragon
May 9, 2013, 07:40 PM
just install the app "AirServer" on the mac.

That sort of thing really is not a solution if one wants to use a high res display like that as a gaming display for example.

BreuerEditor
May 9, 2013, 08:27 PM
Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

My scenario: I have a fully loaded late 2012 27" iMac, running 1 Thunderbolt to HDMI for my 24" monitor, the other Thunderbolt goes to a LaCie SATA hub (which has 2 powered eSATA connection for my 2 RAID-5s), then it goes Thunderbolt out to my 20TB Drobo 5D, from the Drobo it goes Thunderbolt out to my 42" LCD. Granted, I'm a film editor and motion graphic designer and I need the power, speed, and expandability of Thunderbolt to keep me and my company on top.

Does the average person need Thunderbolt? No. USB 3.0 is fast enough for most and overkill for some basic tasks as it is (unless you're copying/moving/creating 200MB+ files, the average person won't notice the difference since they're most likely downloading music and uploading pictures from their camera). Thunderbolt allows so much more connectivity due to the insane bandwidth it can hold (like this little gem (http://www.caldigit.com/thunderboltstation/) all from one Thunderbolt cable).

So, to answer your question about Thunderbolt being replaced by a few more USB 3.0 ports, my answer is no way. I can't function without Thunderbolt anymore...it's the ultimate connection for so much more than "fast transfer speeds"

ColdCase
May 9, 2013, 10:46 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

I use my two thunderbolt ports to feed DP monitors. Much more useful than a bunch of kludgy USB ports.... I only have one camera.... and one USB suits it just fine. Its nice having one on the left and one on the right, however.

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Does this FW fix happen to also fix the random darkwake issue many of us have (the machine randomly wakes from sleep, not the whole way but enough to run down the battery or wake up external monitors.....

TouchMint.com
May 10, 2013, 12:09 AM
Drop the prices by about 50% and people/manufacturers might start using them.

ikir
May 10, 2013, 12:33 AM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

Are you crazy? Thunderbolt is faster, 2 way bandwidth, you can daisy chain, no latency, have video signal inside. Pro and geek needs thunderbolt, the other joke comes from normal user who didn't understand the potential they have with this connection. FW adapters and Ethernet adapters wouldn't be so efficient on USB3 too.

th1nk
May 10, 2013, 12:43 AM
bettertouchtool is buggy since the update, it performs random gestures when nothing is touched. anyone else getting this?

Nitewolf
May 10, 2013, 12:43 AM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

I have no use for my TB ports. So if I had the chance to choose, so yeah, I would pick more 2 USB 3.0 ports instead of 2 TB ports.

Edit: TB ports aren't here because they are better/faster. It's all about a commercial agreement between Apple and Intel.

Intel: Wassup Apple, what if I give you a discount over my CPUs?
Apple: Nice, yeah, why not?
Intel: All you have to do is spread my new port over your computers.
Apple: Can I make it looks like innovative and make my costumers feeling that they couldn't live without them?
Intel: Sure you can!
Apple: LOL, perfect! Bring it on!

thomamon
May 10, 2013, 01:12 AM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

Hell no!

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Honestly, just purchased two LaCie 6 GB Drives set up as Raid 1. One of the best investments I ever made!

I am getting the itch for one more, perhaps the 8GB in about a month or so to be set for quite a while!

Karllake
May 10, 2013, 03:37 AM
Does anyone have an idea on how long updates like this typically take to appear on bootcamp? Thanks

AnonMac50
May 10, 2013, 03:41 AM
OS X Lion 10.8.3?

CPPMaster
May 10, 2013, 03:44 AM
After the patch my 15" Retina is not able to use my external monitor anymore.

Retina 15" --> "Mini Display Port to DVI Adaptor" :mad:

My 15" recognize that I have an external monitor, I can even "move" a window from one side to other, but the external monitor (no video signal).

P.S. I am using 10.8.4 , but sounds as far I saw in other places that is not the issue, the patch is messed somehow.

UPDATE: Tested with a friend Thunderbolt cable + iMac (video target mode) and does not work either. Did a SMC reset and did not help. I only hope my two thunderbolts are not fried . Appointment at Genius bar today already scheduled.

Nightarchaon
May 10, 2013, 03:46 AM
Can we finally use the iMac as an external display to a thunderpolt PC now?

This is my BIG question.. i want to build a PC for gaming, but want to use my iMac as the display,

On a side note, how come there is no DVI to Thunderbolt dongles out yet ? so that you can connect ANY video output from a device to a thunderbolt display/iMac (you know, like a PS3, Xbox, or PC)

th1nk
May 10, 2013, 04:29 AM
doing a SMC reset solved my problems. if you also have problems, you should give it a try!

smyross
May 10, 2013, 05:08 AM
Are you sure this Thunderbolt Updates is 1.2 ?:)

Sandstorm
May 10, 2013, 06:09 AM
I HOPE this will fix issues for me. I have a very bad impression about Thunderbolt, it doesn't "just work" for me, so to say. :( I still experience quite a few problems when connecting/disconnecting Thunderbolt Display to my 2012 13" MPB. Random freezes, failures to wake up and so on. Sometimes the screen doesn't turn on, sometimes the Mac freezes. The only solutions then is disconnecting the display from power (because Apple is sooo minimalist and there is no power button) AND hard restarting my MBP. Not every time, but once a month definitely. I have ethernet cable and Logitech unifying receiver connected to the display.

JML54
May 10, 2013, 07:29 AM
The update fried one of the two Firewire 800 ports on my OWC Mercury Elite hard drive. Apparently this can happen to some chipsets when a firmware update is run and the drive is connected. The other port works fine. But the drive has to go back to OWC to have a new board installed.

Apple should tell users to disconnect all peripherals but power before doing any firmware updates. Even MS does that. I'm really upset.

jonnysods
May 10, 2013, 07:48 AM
Haven't really noticed any issues. Which makes me wonder if I should bother with the update.

winston1236
May 10, 2013, 08:30 AM
macpro?

ArmCortexA8
May 10, 2013, 08:44 AM
Wish people would learn to read, this update is for ANY thunderbolt equipped Mac computer - only requirement - OS X Lion 10.8.3 and later

saturnotaku
May 10, 2013, 08:45 AM
Does anyone have an idea on how long updates like this typically take to appear on bootcamp? Thanks

They don't. The update must be installed through OS X.

MacTech68
May 10, 2013, 08:52 AM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/09/apple-releases-thunderbolt-software-update-1-2/)


I'm confused, my mid2011 MBA claims Tbolt Sw Udte V 1.2.1 was installed on 2012.06.21.

Is this an update that is just being rolled out to other devices now?

No. The title of this article is wrong. This is a FIRMWARE update, NOT a SOFTWARE update.

repoman27
May 10, 2013, 09:03 AM
I have no use for my TB ports. So if I had the chance to choose, so yeah, I would pick more 2 USB 3.0 ports instead of 2 TB ports.

Edit: TB ports aren't here because they are better/faster. It's all about a commercial agreement between Apple and Intel.

Intel: Wassup Apple, what if I give you a discount over my CPUs?
Apple: Nice, yeah, why not?
Intel: All you have to do is spread my new port over your computers.
Apple: Can I make it looks like innovative and make my costumers feeling that they couldn't live without them?
Intel: Sure you can!
Apple: LOL, perfect! Bring it on!

So you'd rather use USB 3.0 ports to drive an external display should you choose to connect one? Those Thunderbolt ports are just enhanced versions of the mDP++ ports that Macs had prior to 2011.

Someone with pretty solid ties to the industry recently told me that Apple is more than slightly displeased with how Intel has handled Thunderbolt and what they have managed to deliver versus what they initially promised. However, I don't think that conversation went down quite like you say. Intel sold Apple on Thunderbolt because it promised to solve a very particular set of problems that Apple was facing, namely, the majority of the PCs they sell lack user accessible PCIe slots and sufficient interior volume for any type of expansion. Now they're a bit locked in, and the hardware isn't able to consistently deliver the type of user experience Apple was expecting. It will be interesting to see how long Apple sticks with Thunderbolt and whether Intel will ever relent and share the Host Controller Interface specification with third parties.

It's odd that ExpressCard slots weren't the subject of as much rage as Thunderbolt ports. Most people didn't need those either, and they just constituted a freakin' big hole in your computer when not in use. Apple's implementation of Thunderbolt, on the other hand, has very little downside for those who don't use it, and for those that do, it's pretty sick. 2x 10 Gbit/s, full-duplex channels from a tiny little consumer oriented friction-fit port is redonculous.

1member1
May 10, 2013, 09:11 AM
I'm trying to install it, my computer restarts then start the firmware update and before it finish it powers on again and i still see update in my App Store :<

anyone else experience this ?

CPPMaster
May 10, 2013, 09:29 AM
I'm trying to install it, my computer restarts then start the firmware update and before it finish it powers on again and i still see update in my App Store :<

anyone else experience this ?

Strongly recommend to hold on the update, my 15" retina is not able to connect to any external monitor after the update.

Isidore
May 10, 2013, 09:35 AM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

EDIT:// Ok you can stop replying now :P - I get it, you guys love Thunderbolt.

Especially as you can't do target disk mode over dumb usb!!!

1member1
May 10, 2013, 10:28 AM
Strongly recommend to hold on the update, my 15" retina is not able to connect to any external monitor after the update.

I connected it to battery and then i was completed. weird.. didn't ask for any battery :< i don't use external monitor a lot. i will check it

Jrtesq
May 10, 2013, 02:05 PM
made my Thunderbolt seem snappier. :D



just kidding!

pollaxe
May 10, 2013, 02:27 PM
Just applied it to my Mac Mini (late 2012) which is plugged into a Pegasus R6 via Thunderbolt (and then into an HP 30" monitor via Mini DisplayPort -> DVI-D adapter) and no problems to report at the moment..

C DM
May 10, 2013, 03:22 PM
Wish people would learn to read, this update is for ANY thunderbolt equipped Mac computer - only requirement - OS X Lion 10.8.3 and laterWhat exactly is OS X Lion 10.8.3?

fr4c
May 10, 2013, 03:26 PM
Strongly recommend to hold on the update, my 15" retina is not able to connect to any external monitor after the update.
Connects to all my monitors fine (Apple ACD and Dell U2410).

MagnusVonMagnum
May 10, 2013, 03:34 PM
Are you crazy? Thunderbolt is faster, 2 way bandwidth, you can daisy chain, no latency, have video signal inside. Pro and geek needs thunderbolt, the other joke comes from normal user who didn't understand the potential they have with this connection. FW adapters and Ethernet adapters wouldn't be so efficient on USB3 too.

Most devices don't need the extra bandwidth and daisy-chaining sucks (real fun disconnecting the monitor at the end every time you want to add or remove something in-between). Then there's the matter of how insanely expensive Thunderbolt devices are over USB 3 equivalents (most of which again don't use the extra bandwidth so it's just crapping money down the drain). All of which begs the question you asked. Are you crazy?

Having said that, given it's also a video output port, there's no point in replacing it with another USB 3.0 port. The fact is there is plenty of room on all Apple notebooks for more USB 3.0 ports, particularly if they made them just a hair thicker overall (what good is thin if it makes your life hell with no ports?) They simply don't utilize the space well, IMO. My Mac Mini has 4 USB 3.0 ports and I would have preferred 4 more built-in because unlike Thunderbolt, I actually have a TON of USB 2.x and 3.x devices. With one slot used to plug in my old 7-port USB 2.x hub that leaves me with zero free ports after plugging in a USB 3.0 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD writer drive and two USB 3.0 3TB drives.

parish
May 10, 2013, 03:51 PM
I'm trying to install it, my computer restarts then start the firmware update and before it finish it powers on again and i still see update in my App Store :<

anyone else experience this ?

Yeah, I installed it last night and I've just opened App Store and it's there again. Just came here to see if Apple have just pushed out an update to the update, but App Store still says 1.2 :confused:

I'll install it again and see what happens.

EDIT: OK, same thing happened, I've discovered that when it says you must be connected to AC power, it really means it. When it restarts and you get the white screen with the grey Apple logo and the progress bar at the bottom, if you aren't connected to AC it immediately skips to the reboot - I thought originally that because it was such a small download that it installed so quickly you didn't see the progress bar move, but when I tried a third time with AC power it took about 20 seconds to install.

Arelunde
May 10, 2013, 04:06 PM
What exactly is OS X Lion 10.8.3?

It's MOUNTAIN LION 10.8.3

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I'm trying to install it, my computer restarts then start the firmware update and before it finish it powers on again and i still see update in my App Store :<

anyone else experience this ?

That may be so you can download it to multiple computers. I know the original Mountain Lion update did the same thing - downloaded just fine but indicated it was available for download in my App Store purchases.

CPPMaster
May 10, 2013, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I installed it last night and I've just opened App Store and it's there again. Just came here to see if Apple have just pushed out an update to the update, but App Store still says 1.2 :confused:

I'll install it again and see what happens.

EDIT: OK, same thing happened, I've discovered that when it says you must be connected to AC power, it really means it. When it restarts and you get the white screen with the grey Apple logo and the progress bar at the bottom, if you aren't connected to AC it immediately skips to the reboot - I thought originally that because it was such a small download that it installed so quickly you didn't see the progress bar move, but when I tried a third time with AC power it took about 20 seconds to install.

UPDATE: Went today to Genius Bar, outcome, they are going to replace my Retina 15" logic board (~= U$ 500.00), of course, I am fine, since is still under warranty. But the "patch" just %$&^& my MAC Thunderbolt ports.

jon08
May 10, 2013, 05:36 PM
My update went smoothly, but I have a question: I forgot to unplug my external monitor from the thunderbolt hub before the update. Could that have had any effect on anything?

Just want to be on the safe side.

Nitewolf
May 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
So you'd rather use USB 3.0 ports to drive an external display should you choose to connect one? Those Thunderbolt ports are just enhanced versions of the mDP++ ports that Macs had prior to 2011.

I don't use an external display. I bought a rMBP because of the display. When I need to watch something for entertainment, I use the built-in hdmi and my Plasma TV. I didn't said they are useless, I said I prefer USB 3.0 because they are far more usefull, FOR ME, than TB ports.

Someone with pretty solid ties to the industry recently told me that Apple is more than slightly displeased with how Intel has handled Thunderbolt and what they have managed to deliver versus what they initially promised. However, I don't think that conversation went down quite like you say. Intel sold Apple on Thunderbolt because it promised to solve a very particular set of problems that Apple was facing, namely, the majority of the PCs they sell lack user accessible PCIe slots and sufficient interior volume for any type of expansion. Now they're a bit locked in, and the hardware isn't able to consistently deliver the type of user experience Apple was expecting. It will be interesting to see how long Apple sticks with Thunderbolt and whether Intel will ever relent and share the Host Controller Interface specification with third parties.

That's cool, thanks for sharing.


It's odd that ExpressCard slots weren't the subject of as much rage as Thunderbolt ports. Most people didn't need those either, and they just constituted a freakin' big hole in your computer when not in use. Apple's implementation of Thunderbolt, on the other hand, has very little downside for those who don't use it, and for those that do, it's pretty sick. 2x 10 Gbit/s, full-duplex channels from a tiny little consumer oriented friction-fit port is redonculous.

That's a nice comparison. I never used express cards over my old HP. I think people compare them by their natures, both are "connect a cable here" port, ExpressCard ports were rather a "thing stickier"port.

ColdCase
May 10, 2013, 08:16 PM
Most devices don't need the extra bandwidth and daisy-chaining sucks (real fun disconnecting the monitor at the end every time you want to add or remove something in-between). Then there's the matter of how insanely expensive Thunderbolt devices are over USB 3 equivalents (most of which again don't use the extra bandwidth so it's just crapping money down the drain). All of which begs the question you asked. Are you crazy?

Having said that, given it's also a video output port, there's no point in replacing it with another USB 3.0 port. The fact is there is plenty of room on all Apple notebooks for more USB 3.0 ports, particularly if they made them just a hair thicker overall (what good is thin if it makes your life hell with no ports?) They simply don't utilize the space well, IMO. My Mac Mini has 4 USB 3.0 ports and I would have preferred 4 more built-in because unlike Thunderbolt, I actually have a TON of USB 2.x and 3.x devices. With one slot used to plug in my old 7-port USB 2.x hub that leaves me with zero free ports after plugging in a USB 3.0 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD writer drive and two USB 3.0 3TB drives.

We do not want the portability of our rMBPs compromised by your silly and self centered infatuation with kludgy USB3. Just get yourself a decent USB3 hub and leave the rest of us with a lightweight slim and portable laptop. Why would apple compromise what millions want because you are too lazy to use a USB hub?... well you say USB hubs don't work well.... there you go being short sighted again... and there is one of the fatal flaws of USB.. you have to have individual USB ports and controllers on the motherboard or performance just dies. With a dozen USB ports it would take hours to unplug all your devices and be on your way... how about this... a high speed thunderbolt hub with USB3 ports. Now there is an elegant and technically competent solution. If you are willing to duct tape usb.. well thats your call. Duct tape usb is more suitable to a desktop solution where there is room for controller cards (which I have for my collection of USB devices).

Otherwise go get yourself a laptop with dozens of USB ports.. don't let the door smack you in the rear as you walk out :) Sound like you want a desktop that is portable?

Elbert C
May 10, 2013, 08:17 PM
I've got a 2012 Mac mini running OS X 10.8.3 and this update doesn't show up on the list of pending software updates. :confused:
Does this mean my Mac doesn't need it?

Mr. Retrofire
May 10, 2013, 11:01 PM
I've got a 2012 Mac mini running OS X 10.8.3 and this update doesn't show up on the list of pending software updates. :confused:
Does this mean my Mac doesn't need it?
Yes.

cambookpro
May 11, 2013, 10:52 AM
Anyone noticed their TBD being darker after the update? Mine definitely seems that way :confused:

ConCat
May 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
I have no use for my TB ports. So if I had the chance to choose, so yeah, I would pick more 2 USB 3.0 ports instead of 2 TB ports.

Edit: TB ports aren't here because they are better/faster. It's all about a commercial agreement between Apple and Intel.

Intel: Wassup Apple, what if I give you a discount over my CPUs?
Apple: Nice, yeah, why not?
Intel: All you have to do is spread my new port over your computers.
Apple: Can I make it looks like innovative and make my costumers feeling that they couldn't live without them?
Intel: Sure you can!
Apple: LOL, perfect! Bring it on!

I'm surprised nobody has clobbered you for this, but... Apple brought the thunderbolt concept to intel, which they then developed.

br3nt
May 11, 2013, 12:58 PM
unplugged everything except power, did the update. Tried hooking up my DELL 23" external display:

mini-displayport/tb -> displayport cable, OK.

well... the initial test at least :P

will maybe test the ethernet adapter later tonight but can't try the firewire adapter until tomorrow.

moonaust
May 11, 2013, 01:38 PM
I wish they would get Target Display in Boot Camp working, though it's probably more of a Windows problem.

MagnusVonMagnum
May 11, 2013, 05:32 PM
We do not want the portability of our rMBPs compromised by your silly and self centered infatuation with kludgy USB3. Just get yourself a decent USB3 hub and leave the rest of us with a lightweight slim and portable laptop. Why would apple compromise what millions want because you are too lazy to use a USB hub?...

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. Millions want TB? Or you mean millions want no ports on their notebook so they have tote around a boat load of hubs??? Either way, it's absurd. Show me ten people on here that even use TB and then show me how they didn't spend 50% more than they should have for the same performance (i.e. total waste of money; might as well flush it down the toilet while you're at it). And if USB 3 is a kludge and TB is so great, WTF is this firmware update for with TB for then??? :eek:

As for sacrificing functionality to make it extra slim, that's what the Macbook Air was supposed to be for. Apple would do far better to stop making overpriced TOYS and start making actual "Pro" computers once more. In other words, the rMBP is an overpriced yet underpowered turd. It has hardly any ports, so you need all kinds of extra adapters and hubs to make any use of it at all. Plus its GPU is seriously underpowered for the monitor's resolution. This is why it's never a good idea to buy the 1st generation product of something new from Apple. They seem to purposely make the first one crappier than it should be so they can sell you another one the following year (or 6 months the way the iPad is going).

Pentad
May 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
... Perhaps this will stop my MBPr from freezing when I connect the Thunderbolt/Ethernet adapter.

Huh, never had an issue doing this. If it continues, I would swap the TB/EN adapter just to see if it makes a difference. Been using mine since last August without a single issue.

:)

-P

haddy
May 11, 2013, 08:24 PM
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. Millions want TB? Or you mean millions want no ports on their notebook so they have tote around a boat load of hubs??? Either way, it's absurd. Show me ten people on here that even use TB and then show me how they didn't spend 50% more than they should have for the same performance (i.e. total waste of money; might as well flush it down the toilet while you're at it). And if USB 3 is a kludge and TB is so great, WTF is this firmware update for with TB for then??? :eek:).

Oh well I have a late 2012 iMac and have 1TB Buffalo external HD plus 1TB firewire/adaptor/Thunderbolt external HD attached to my two Thunderbolt ports. They work very well and transfer times subjectively way faster than the USB ports. Also have upgraded the firmware...no problems. So I guess I'm one of the ten really enjoying the Thunderbolt ports.

yg17
May 11, 2013, 11:06 PM
I really get the sense that Thunderbolt is another Firewire. Very seldom used, high cost due to the circuitry needed.

Just curious but those of you who have Thunderbolt on your MBP's would you rather those would have been extra USB 3.0 ports instead?

EDIT:// Ok you can stop replying now :P - I get it, you guys love Thunderbolt.

Yes...and I have a Thunderbolt drive. I'd exchange one of the TB ports on my rMBP for another USB port or two. 2 USB ports on a pro laptop is not enough. My work laptop is some HP pro line laptop and it has 5 USB 3.0 ports. It's nice being able to leave my cordless mouse receiver plugged in all the time and not waste a valuable USB port.

WilliamG
May 11, 2013, 11:12 PM
Oh well I have a late 2012 iMac and have 1TB Buffalo external HD plus 1TB firewire/adaptor/Thunderbolt external HD attached to my two Thunderbolt ports. They work very well and transfer times subjectively way faster than the USB ports. Also have upgraded the firmware...no problems. So I guess I'm one of the ten really enjoying the Thunderbolt ports.

Make that 11 people. I love my Thunderbolt ports, and have been booting OS X off a Thunderbolt SSD for about 6 months now on my 2012 iMac. :D

Mr. McMac
May 12, 2013, 10:13 AM
To be honest, I'm a bit nervous to update my mid 2011 Mac Mini since I use Thunderbolt/Mini Display Port to drive my 40" Samsung HDTV instead of the problematic HDMI. Since I switched over 9 months ago from HDMI to Thunderbolt, I haven't had any issues whatsoever. Is it possible I might be opening up a can of worms if I do the update?

mag01
May 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
UPDATE: Went today to Genius Bar, outcome, they are going to replace my Retina 15" logic board (~= U$ 500.00), of course, I am fine, since is still under warranty. But the "patch" just %$&^& my MAC Thunderbolt ports.
Did you have any Thunderbolt device connected when performing the update or not?

billycsu
May 12, 2013, 07:45 PM
I'm trying to install it, my computer restarts then start the firmware update and before it finish it powers on again and i still see update in my App Store :<

anyone else experience this ?

I have exactly the same problem.

I have tried to install a fresh copy of Mountain Lion 10.8.3 and try to install this update, however, there is no luck for me.

Could someone provide any clue?

repoman27
May 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. Millions want TB? Or you mean millions want no ports on their notebook so they have tote around a boat load of hubs??? Either way, it's absurd. Show me ten people on here that even use TB and then show me how they didn't spend 50% more than they should have for the same performance (i.e. total waste of money; might as well flush it down the toilet while you're at it). And if USB 3 is a kludge and TB is so great, WTF is this firmware update for with TB for then??? :eek:

As for sacrificing functionality to make it extra slim, that's what the Macbook Air was supposed to be for. Apple would do far better to stop making overpriced TOYS and start making actual "Pro" computers once more. In other words, the rMBP is an overpriced yet underpowered turd. It has hardly any ports, so you need all kinds of extra adapters and hubs to make any use of it at all. Plus its GPU is seriously underpowered for the monitor's resolution. This is why it's never a good idea to buy the 1st generation product of something new from Apple. They seem to purposely make the first one crappier than it should be so they can sell you another one the following year (or 6 months the way the iPad is going).

The only portable Macs to ever be graced with more than 2 USB ports were the 17-inch MacBook Pros, which had 3. For whatever reason, Apple decided long ago that 2 is enough, and I'm not even going to begin to analyze their reasoning behind that.

I find it odd that you say the current MBPs are somehow not "Pro". They are incredibly capable, well built, and well specced. People who use their PCs to make money, i.e. professionals, and those in the enterprise space use a pretty simple formula for purchasing decisions. If the cost of a given tool is more than offset by potential productivity gains, the capital expenditure can be justified. The total number of ports on a PC and how good the GPU is for gaming is rarely a factor; it's all about how much it facilitates a given work flow.

Just going off of your sig, it would appear that you require a fair amount of storage yet place the highest priority on price/GB. You list all rotational media and not a single SSD. If you were a pro who billed out hourly for work done on your Mac, you'd probably already have a few SSDs in the mix. Many pros who need terabytes of direct attach storage also value random access performance as well as straight line speed. The performance difference of a solution like the Pegasus R6 versus using several USB 3.0 drives is often enough for the unit to pay for itself in less than a month. You're crying about Apple not making Macs for Pros anymore, yet all your arguments are based on consumer / SOHO / small business logic, not that of the professional / enterprise market.

I realize that the best bang for the buck right now is buying a 3TB external in a USB 3.0 enclosure because they run about $120. However, if you need a bunch of them, you end up with a (usually crappy) power adapter and USB cable for each one, you start to run out of USB ports and room on the power strip, then you need a hub... Have you looked at just getting a 5 bay USB 3.0 enclosure and throwing all your drives in there? The ORICO 3559SUSJ3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1DS0CF0400) is going for $180 on Newegg right now. That's $36/bay which is not a lot, and then you can buy drives with more than the 1-year warranty that is typical on the bargain basement externals and just pop them in there. You could even throw in an SSD and configure it as a Fusion Drive.

tmoerel
May 13, 2013, 04:15 AM
Did you have any Thunderbolt device connected when performing the update or not?

I had a Thunderbolt SSD, a Thunderbolt WD diskstation and a Thunderbolt ethernet connection all connected to my 2011 iMac and the update went throufh without any problems

dyn
May 13, 2013, 03:40 PM
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day. Millions want TB? Or you mean millions want no ports on their notebook so they have tote around a boat load of hubs??? Either way, it's absurd. Show me ten people on here that even use TB and then show me how they didn't spend 50% more than they should have for the same performance (i.e. total waste of money; might as well flush it down the toilet while you're at it). And if USB 3 is a kludge and TB is so great, WTF is this firmware update for with TB for then??? :eek:

I've seen an enormous amount of notebook users dropping off their notebook. The highest amount of external devices hooked up to the notebook I've seen is 1 and that's only for the people who use either a usb mouse or one with its own wireless transceiver.

I've seen people occasionally hook up a thumbdrive or external drive but that's about it really and it was on their own desk. There are not that many people who need to have a large array of ports on their notebook for the simple fact that they are not stupid enough to carry everything that is on their desk with them (they are already complaining about the notebook plus power adapter being so enormously heavy). What I also see is people using dockingstations. Everything they need will be hooked up to the dockingstation. Macs haven't had something like that for a long time. They have now via Thunderbolt.

So yeah, the person you are replying is actually correct in a way: if you hook up lots of devices you are more likely to do that on your desk. Most people will use a usb hub or a dockingstation for that because plugging in a gazillion connectors is annoying as hell. You want to plug in no more than 2 (power and Thunderbolt), more than that is simply annoying, too much hassle.


It has hardly any ports, so you need all kinds of extra adapters and hubs to make any use of it at all.

No you don't because it entirely depends on what you need on the road and what you need at your desk. This is like complaining you only get 1 power adapter instead of 50 for the 50 places you go to. Be realistic for a change. People hate to hookup 5 or 6 different connectors. They want to hookup only 1 or put the laptop onto something which then connects all the peripherals to the machine. Why? Because people are lazy.

All of this could be done via USB3 but Thunderbolt is just a much nicer technology for this since it is DisplayPort plus PCIe. There are no timing issues, there is no problem with bandwidth and the devices when the cpu is very busy, etc. Only downside: it's more expensive at the moment. Since TB is a smarter technology it has firmware updates. USB doesn't, if something is b0rked with USB than Intel creates a new revision of their chipset. If you want to get a hold of it than you need to sell your current machine and buy a new one. That makes TB an awful lot cheaper.

Daniel L
May 13, 2013, 06:48 PM
My rMBP 15" had tons of problems after this update. Any time I would launch an app that would activate the discrete GPU the app would lock up (Photoshop, iPhoto, VLC). Took me a little while to figure it out but a SMC reset brought everything back in line.

To do it:

Shut down the computer.
Plug in the MagSafe power adapter to a power source, connecting it to the Mac if its not already connected.
On the built-in keyboard, press the (left side) Shift-Control-Option keys and the power button at the same time.
Release all the keys and the power button at the same time.
Press the power button to turn on the computer.
Note: The LED on the MagSafe power adapter may change states or temporarily turn off when you reset the SMC.

Saturn1217
May 13, 2013, 10:14 PM
Huh, never had an issue doing this. If it continues, I would swap the TB/EN adapter just to see if it makes a difference. Been using mine since last August without a single issue.

:)

-P

I have this issue as well. And I'm pretty sure it is something Apple is aware of as one of the past thunderbolt updates made my computer atleast predictable in when it would freeze. I have to have the lid closed when I plug in the TB > ethernet adapter or my computer freezes, and it is a hard freeze. If I close the laptop again I get a kernel panic.

I really love my MBA but it is sooo buggy. Hoping a clean install (when I get around to it) will fix things...

Hugh
May 13, 2013, 11:49 PM
The update fried one of the two Firewire 800 ports on my OWC Mercury Elite hard drive. Apparently this can happen to some chipsets when a firmware update is run and the drive is connected. The other port works fine. But the drive has to go back to OWC to have a new board installed.

Apple should tell users to disconnect all peripherals but power before doing any firmware updates. Even MS does that. I'm really upset.

Apple has always suggested that you do any updates with all external equipment before installing. Didn't this update say something about that? I didn't look at it on my part, for I don't have any thing installed on the computer to worry about. :/

Hugh

Vonner
May 14, 2013, 09:06 AM
After installing this update my USB keyboard no longer works. Any ideas?

1member1
May 14, 2013, 10:28 AM
I have exactly the same problem.

I have tried to install a fresh copy of Mountain Lion 10.8.3 and try to install this update, however, there is no luck for me.

Could someone provide any clue?

not sure if someone helped you or not but i connected the battery and everything was working again.
sorry you had to install 10.8.3 all over again. this is not needed. we are not using windows :Z

pshifrin
May 14, 2013, 10:40 AM
After installing this update my USB keyboard no longer works. Any ideas?

Here too! Two brand new 21.5 imacs both with apple wired keyboards. Both don't work anymore! I plugged them into an rmbp 13 and it doesn't work either. If I plug them into a PC it works. If i plug them into a 2009 imac it doesn't work either!

MJ-uni
May 14, 2013, 06:02 PM
Hello everyone,

the Thunderbolt Firmware 1.2 for my macbook pro (mid 2011) gives me problems:

After clicking "install" in the App store my macbook rebooted, but I didn't put in the power adapter.

Now the update starts when the macbook starts booting, but the progress bar stops at a certain point and the macbook switches itself off. Just like that.

After googleing I put the power cord on, but I still have the same issue. I also held down the Shift-Control-Option keys and the power buttons, but it is still not working.

When the macbook boots only the cd slot sounds is going of, but not the "special" start up sound itself.

Any experiences or hints?

MagnusVonMagnum
May 15, 2013, 01:07 AM
Oh well I have a late 2012 iMac and have 1TB Buffalo external HD plus 1TB firewire/adaptor/Thunderbolt external HD attached to my two Thunderbolt ports. They work very well and transfer times subjectively way faster than the USB ports. Also have upgraded the firmware...no problems. So I guess I'm one of the ten really enjoying the Thunderbolt ports.

WTF does "transfer times subjectively way faster" mean? Grammatical issues aside, the word subjective in there connotates the speed differences are all in your head. Most single drives (even SSD) don't saturate USB 3.0 so they would almost have to be subjective differences rather than actual ones. I have seen some high-end setups using multiple drives in a RAID-like configuration that would do well with Thunderbolt, but they're the extremely rare exception, not a typical consumer drive.

Frankly, I've read some reports of the USB 3.0 version of certain Lacie drives running FASTER than the Thunderbolt versions. One would think it would be the other way around since you could saturate the USB bus with multiple items attached, but since it's a new technology, it's probably got some bugs (hence the recent firmware update to TB)


I find it odd that you say the current MBPs are somehow not "Pro". They are incredibly capable, well built, and well specced.

Well specced doesn't mean "Pro". Historically, the "Professional" Macs were typically most commonly used for video and/or audio production (i.e. Final Cut and Logic being the two biggest sellers). Both typically used Firewire interfaces (dropped entirely on the rMBP unless you want to carry around an adapter). Most newer camcorders, etc. are digital today so the Firewire may not be needed as much, but most "Pro" audio interfaces are still largely Firewire based (i.e. I haven't seen a USB 3.0 one yet and there are few TB ones available, one of which is mostly a TB-to-FW800 conversion). Many professionals made use of the Express Card expansion port (dumped in favor of a stupid one-size-only card reader) for anything from adding eSata ports to USB3.0 cards (I have one of those myself) to a second FW bus. Losing that port has been a disappointment for some time. True matte screens were replaced with glass screens (eventually offering a matte overlay, but true matte is gone). Ethernet is gone (again an adapter is needed). Forget about a quick burn of a DVD or BD disc for video or a CD for audio. No drive is included any longer (yet another external device to carry around in your bag).

But it would appear your definition of a "Pro" is anyone who makes money in any form on their computer, including people hawking junk on eBay, which could be done from an iPhone now even. That's not the sort of market segment I am talking about or most enterprise uses (since short of running Windows with something like BootCamp or VMWare, Macs are rarely used in Enterprise).

We went from a "Pro" Macbook in 2008 that had a replaceable battery, true matte screen option, separate FW400 and 800 ports, a Gigabit Ethernet Port, full size DVI port, 2 USB ports, an Express Card expansion port and a dual purpose audio jack to a computer that has two USB ports, an SD card reader port, an audio jack and two Thunderbolt ports that double as the external video port(s). To even connect devices at home, you're probably going to need some kind of docking station (not cheap for the "announced" Thunderbolt ones and Apple's dock only comes attacked to a monitor and still uses ancient USB 2.x; I guess they can't be bothered to update the darn thing). All "Pro" Macbooks in 2008 had their own NVidia GPUs. Now the 13" "Pro" models only have Intel integrated (yet another step backwards).


Just going off of your sig, it would appear that you require a fair amount of storage yet place the highest priority on price/GB. You list all rotational media and not a single SSD. If you were a pro who billed out hourly for work


Who said I use my 3TB drives for professional use? I don't. They power my whole house audio/video setup based on AppleTV. They don't require SSD speed. In fact, most people on Earth don't actually need SSD speed since most of them do little more than boot their computer and surf the Net with it. It's mostly about specs...a peeing contest if you will. Frankly, unless you are a video producer or perhaps even a programmer, SSD is overkill.

I do make music on the side with Logic Pro, but frankly, a 7200 RPM drive is still more than adequate for 25+ tracks at once. Again, SSD is overkill and until recently wasn't available in sizes required for large projects, or at least not on a single internal drive at a reasonable price. Yes, it would be cool to boot faster, but then the computer is usually just set to sleep anyway so it's moot most of the time.


You're crying about Apple not making Macs for Pros anymore, yet all your arguments are based on consumer / SOHO / small business logic, not that of the professional / enterprise market.


Again, there is NO real enterprise market for the Mac and the video market has shrunk a LOT due to Apple's blundering of the Mac Pro and the garbage release that was the initial Final Cut X.


I realize that the best bang for the buck right now is buying a 3TB external in a USB 3.0 enclosure because they run about $120. However, if you need a bunch of them, you end up with a (usually crappy) power adapter and USB cable for each one, you start to run out of USB ports and room on the power strip, then you need a hub... Have you looked at just getting a 5 bay USB 3.0 enclosure and throwing all your drives in there? The

Why would I want to do that when I'm only using one at a time (the second one is a local backup and the third is an off-site backup).

I've seen an enormous amount of notebook users dropping off their notebook. The highest amount of external devices hooked up to the notebook I've seen is 1 and that's only for the people who use either a usb mouse or one with its own wireless transceiver.


Dropping them off where? An Apple Store? Why would they bring external peripherals there? I find it hard to believe most people only carry a mouse at most with them. OTOH, what's "most" people? The same people that would do just as well with just an iPad???

Here's just a short list of items I might need if I were buying a rMBP based on my current usage of my existing MBP:

1> Ethernet adapter (still needed at some hotels with bad or non-existent WiFi)

2> Firewire adapter (my audio interface is Firewire 400 so I'd need both the FW800 adapter and a FW400 adapter to connect it to the FW800 adapter port; my current MBP has both FW400 and 800 ports and so it's just a simple plug-in).

3> DVD/CD Writer drive (I do make CD-R and DVD-R burns occasionally and if I need it while I'm away from home, I'd need to bring a portable drive with me since the rMBP has no optical drive)

4> Mouse (one you already mentioned; the trackpad isn't great for everything)

5> Backup drive if i were going to be away for a long period or needed to backup an important project (e.g. a live recording I couldn't replace). I currently use a FW800 drive with the MBP, but I've moved to USB 3.0 backup on my Mac Mini since it's faster/cheaper.

With my current MBP, all of those would work with just two USB ports needed (and it has 4 ports with a USB 3.0 Express Card installed). With the rMBP, I'd potentially need three ports plus two adapters and two external drives to carry around. This is step backwards, IMO and avoidable had Apple provided enough ports.

orthorim
May 15, 2013, 01:19 AM
My rMBP 15" had tons of problems after this update. Any time I would launch an app that would activate the discrete GPU the app would lock up (Photoshop, iPhoto, VLC). Took me a little while to figure it out but a SMC reset brought everything back in line.

To do it:

Shut down the computer.
Plug in the MagSafe power adapter to a power source, connecting it to the Mac if its not already connected.
On the built-in keyboard, press the (left side) Shift-Control-Option keys and the power button at the same time.
Release all the keys and the power button at the same time.
Press the power button to turn on the computer.
Note: The LED on the MagSafe power adapter may change states or temporarily turn off when you reset the SMC.

This update screwed up my rMBP to the point that I was about to return it to the dealer for a replacement.

The thunderbolt update seemed to go through but then I got a black screen.

Subsequent restarts, got black screen every time; note that the grey startup screen didn't even appear! Neither did the Apple logo. So my computer looked completely dead. Boot from restore partition did not work either.

The keyboard backlight turned on though, so I figured out I could get the screen to turn on by closing and opening the lid. I tried PRAM and SMC resets, nothing helped, then installed the update _again_ (as it showed up again in the update panel) and now the rMBP is back to normal.

I thought the update worked the second time around, but now it's showing _again_ in my updates. I think I'll skip this one for now, thankyouverymuch ;)

Mr. McMac
May 15, 2013, 09:47 AM
I decided to play it safe and not update my Mac Mini at this time. Seems like it causes too many problems. Anybody else not updating?

MagnusVonMagnum
May 15, 2013, 05:35 PM
I decided to play it safe and not update my Mac Mini at this time. Seems like it causes too many problems. Anybody else not updating?

I installed the update yesterday on my 2012 Mac Mini and it installed quickly and without issue.

digitalfailure
May 16, 2013, 04:29 AM
My 2012 iMac has done the update......my fault for not checking here first..... And now my USB keyboard won't work.

The kb works on my other older iMac and my iPhone connects and charges via the USB on the back of the mac.

There seems to be a couple of others in this thread with the same issue, but no answers


Heeeeeeeeeelp



edit............

Just had a call with Apple support who escalated the case, while on the phone i'd plugged my keyboard into another "older" imac and it was working, then I plugged the other kb into my machine and that worked.

And then reconnected my keyboard to my machine and that worked too!!!

So, i'm not at all sure what the cause or cure was and have agreed with the guy at applecare to monitor it and have sent the contents of the console log to him.

Vonner
May 16, 2013, 02:31 PM
@DigitalFailure mine is still not working and I don't have the option to try what worked for you. I guess I'll have to call apple tonight.

Thanks for sharing your solution.

MagnusVonMagnum
May 16, 2013, 06:03 PM
My 2012 iMac has done the update......my fault for not checking here first..... And now my USB keyboard won't work.


That's strange. What brand of keyboard is it? I'm using a Logitech USB keyboard here and it's working fine after the update. Given how yours worked after unplugging and plugging it in again, it sounds more like some kind of glitch. Did you have it plugged in directly or through a hub? My keyboard and mouse are plugged in via a Belkin USB 2.x hub along with a bunch of other legacy devices. Only my USB 3.x stuff is plugged directly into the Mac Mini (i.e. a Memorex Blu-Ray Writer and Western Digital USB 3.0 media hard drive along with another USB 3.0 hard drive for backups for the RAID0 main internal drives and another external Western Digital when I back up the media drive).

Elbert C
May 16, 2013, 09:41 PM
Yes.

That was weird. It finally showed up today on the list of pending software updates. I haven't installed it yet.

digitalfailure
May 17, 2013, 11:03 AM
That's strange. What brand of keyboard is it? I'm using a Logitech USB keyboard here and it's working fine after the update. Given how yours worked after unplugging and plugging it in again, it sounds more like some kind of glitch. Did you have it plugged in directly or through a hub? My keyboard and mouse are plugged in via a Belkin USB 2.x hub along with a bunch of other legacy devices. Only my USB 3.x stuff is plugged directly into the Mac Mini (i.e. a Memorex Blu-Ray Writer and Western Digital USB 3.0 media hard drive along with another USB 3.0 hard drive for backups for the RAID0 main internal drives and another external Western Digital when I back up the media drive).

My kb is a genuine apple extended wired item that was supplied with the bto iMac, it only started to work again after another apple kb was plugged in and used though. Prior to that the kb had been up plugged and refitted and the machine restarted several times. Even during the call to support where they had me try a Pram reset it was dead. Nothing else was plugged into the kb or the iMac. I use a tb to fw adaptor on my external back up array and that too was unplugged.

All very strange but it is working now and any future updates and wait.......and wait.......and waaaaaaait :)

MiltonThales
May 17, 2013, 11:27 AM
I bought a Belkin Thunderbolt dock for my 2011 iMac (iMac12,2) and the USB 3.0 speed is quite impressive. But this morning I disconnected the power from the dock before disconnecting the Apple Thunderbolt cable, and the iMac crashed: kernel panic to re-boot. Instantly, no waiting !

So I don't think they have all the bugs out yet... :rolleyes:

Vonner
May 17, 2013, 05:39 PM
I finally got my Apple USB keyboard (with the 10 key number pad) to work again on my iMac. I had plug it into my MBA. When I did, it couldn't identify it. I then plugged it back into the iMac and it was working again.

Weird.

opinio
May 18, 2013, 07:12 PM
I use quite a few T-bolt devices? Esata hub, Ethernet aggregation with T-Bolt ethernet adapter. Why do people still pick on it as if it is redundant?

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I bought a Belkin Thunderbolt dock for my 2011 iMac (iMac12,2) and the USB 3.0 speed is quite impressive. But this morning I disconnected the power from the dock before disconnecting the Apple Thunderbolt cable, and the iMac crashed: kernel panic to re-boot. Instantly, no waiting !

So I don't think they have all the bugs out yet... :rolleyes:

The USB 3.0 on the belkin hub runs at half speed (2500). Have you compared it to full USB 3.0? I am interested to see if it bottlenecks when pushed.

mund
May 19, 2013, 12:27 AM
I Just Nervously Updated my 2011 MBP... I say N E R V O U S L Y because of what I have been reading.... BUT, all went fine! Whew... I did disconnect the (2) Thunderbolt drives that I have had connected... both Lacie Little Big Disk's, (1) 2tb & (1) 1tb SSD

I had several updates to install, I did all others prior, ran the Thunderbolt 1.2 separately... it restarted. I shutdown (just to be on the safe side) reconnected the drives, and all appears fine. Glad... Happy, OK... Thrilled that all appears WELL!

macleod199
May 21, 2013, 05:15 PM
why?

I have work PC laptop with a displayport connector. I would enjoy being able to use my iMac as a screen when I bring that home.

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Most devices don't need the extra bandwidth and daisy-chaining sucks (real fun disconnecting the monitor at the end every time you want to add or remove something in-between). Then there's the matter of how insanely expensive Thunderbolt devices are over USB 3 equivalents (most of which again don't use the extra bandwidth so it's just crapping money down the drain). All of which begs the question you asked. Are you crazy?

Having said that, given it's also a video output port, there's no point in replacing it with another USB 3.0 port. The fact is there is plenty of room on all Apple notebooks for more USB 3.0 ports, particularly if they made them just a hair thicker overall (what good is thin if it makes your life hell with no ports?) They simply don't utilize the space well, IMO. My Mac Mini has 4 USB 3.0 ports and I would have preferred 4 more built-in because unlike Thunderbolt, I actually have a TON of USB 2.x and 3.x devices. With one slot used to plug in my old 7-port USB 2.x hub that leaves me with zero free ports after plugging in a USB 3.0 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD writer drive and two USB 3.0 3TB drives.

I am unclear how you can be anti-daisy chaining capability, while complaining about how you use up all of your USB 3 ports with multiple drives you presumably leave permanently connected.

MagnusVonMagnum
May 22, 2013, 05:18 PM
I am unclear how you can be anti-daisy chaining capability, while complaining about how you use up all of your USB 3 ports with multiple drives you presumably leave permanently connected.

Because if I had to sort through 10 devices worth of cable to unplug something and plug something else in, I'd go nuts sooner or later. As far as I know, there are no hubs for Thunderbolt so even if you'd like to parallel connect, you simply cannot. I can always buy another hub. And no I don't leave all those drives always connected seeing as a little more than half of them are backups.

Kate4u
May 27, 2013, 03:56 AM
My 3 Thunderbolt devices work very well .
(2 G-RAID with Thunderbolt + 1 Promise Pegasus J4 ) with daisy chain .

MagnusVonMagnum
May 27, 2013, 07:02 PM
My 3 Thunderbolt devices work very well .
(2 G-RAID with Thunderbolt + 1 Promise Pegasus J4 ) with daisy chain .

Well, three devices is a far cry from the 10+ USB 2x and 3x devices I have. I wouldn't want them daisy-chained due to the sheer number alone.

fricotin
Jun 27, 2013, 04:17 PM
How can I check which version of Thunderbolt I am running ?
Mac mini 2012, OS 10.8.4.

Mr. McMac
Jun 30, 2013, 01:08 AM
I finally updated my 2011 mac mini. Happy to report everything still works :)

Elbert C
Jun 30, 2013, 01:35 AM
How can I check which version of Thunderbolt I am running ?
Mac mini 2012, OS 10.8.4.

After applying the update to my 2012 Mac mini it show the firmware version as 23.4 in Apple menu > About This Mac > More Info... > Overview > System Report... > Hardware > Thunderbolt.
What does yours show?

Mr. McMac
Jun 30, 2013, 07:10 AM
After applying the update to my 2012 Mac mini it show the firmware version as 23.4 in Apple menu > About This Mac > More Info... > Overview > System Report... > Hardware > Thunderbolt.
What does yours show?

My 2011 Mac Mini shows version 25.1 after update.

macnisse
Jul 1, 2013, 05:01 PM
No need to update, my thunderbolt to vga adapter is working perfectly fine ;-)