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paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 06:56 AM
http://www.androidcentral.com/bbc-watchdog-investigate-samsung-galaxy-s4-internal-storage-controversy

Bit of a non issue as far as I am concerned

Isn't this the same with virtually all storage, you don't get exactly as advertised



KeanosMagicHat
May 10, 2013, 07:06 AM
http://www.androidcentral.com/bbc-watchdog-investigate-samsung-galaxy-s4-internal-storage-controversy

Bit of a non issue as far as I am concerned

Isn't this the same with virtually all storage, you don't get exactly as advertised

About time I reckon. The 16GB model has just over half that space available which is ridiculous.

The problem is exasperated further as Samsung phones (possibly all Android, I haven't yet made the move) don't allow a proportion of apps to be installed on a MicroSD card.

paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 07:12 AM
About time I reckon. The 16GB model has just over half that space available which is ridiculous.



How much space does a 16GB iPod have available (all of it)?
How much does a Windows Tablet have available?
Does a 128GB MBA have all this available to the user?
Does an HTC phone have all the space available?

JaySoul
May 10, 2013, 07:15 AM
About time I reckon. The 16GB model has just over half that space available which is ridiculous.

The problem is exasperated further as Samsung phones (possibly all Android, I haven't yet made the move) don't allow a proportion of apps to be installed on a MicroSD card.

Have to agree.

You don't mind a bit of the space being taken up, but once it's well over 25% of the entire storage space taken over by bloatware?

Not cool.

lobeyonekenobi
May 10, 2013, 07:25 AM
How much space does a 16GB iPod have available (all of it)?
How much does a Windows Tablet have available?
Does a 128GB MBA have all this available to the user?
Does an HTC phone have all the space available?

My 32GB iPod has 29GB space so of that means only 3GB is taken by the OS so obviously the same applies to the 16GB, even my rMBP with Mountain Lion uses less space, and Windows 8 about the same.

HTC don't add no where near as much bloatware as Samsung, am I wrong??

You have to admit if half or more of your hard drive space is being taken up by the OS and apps then it is a bit extreme.

KeanosMagicHat
May 10, 2013, 07:28 AM
How much space does a 16GB iPod have available (all of it)?
How much does a Windows Tablet have available?
Does a 128GB MBA have all this available to the user?
Does an HTC phone have all the space available?

I understand in that I sell disk storage, so I know that you'll never get full capacity, but this is not the problem here, it is all the unnecessary bloatware installed.

You made a comparison to Apple products and I've read articles elsewhere that iOS takes up a far less space than Samsung's latest system software.

I have no axe to grind against any company, but when almost half the space is taken up before a customer uses the phone, it's almost becoming false advertising.

(especially to a general public who are not as tech savvy as those on here)

cynics
May 10, 2013, 07:35 AM
My 32GB iPod has 29GB space so of that means only 3GB is taken by the OS so obviously the same applies to the 16GB, even my rMBP with Mountain Lion uses less space, and Windows 8 about the same.

HTC don't add no where near as much bloatware as Samsung, am I wrong??

You have to admit if half or more of your hard drive space is being taken up by the OS and apps then it is a bit extreme.

He said windows tablet. Given the 32 gb Surface only has about 16 gb available I think that's a good point.

Personally I look into this prior to purchasing a device. I'm not surprised when a device that has more stuff on it uses more space.

theluggage
May 10, 2013, 07:39 AM
Wow - that's brilliant news for Samsung! Until now, it has been Apple who get singled out for generic problems that affect all gadgets: iPods make you go deaf! iPod batteries explode if they are damaged! iPads stop pacemakers! etc.

...but finally, we see "Samsung phones use some memory for the OS and pre-installed Apps!". Yes, Samsung have finally attained equity with Apple.

I wonder if Watchdog will be extending their probe to look at the MS Surface Pro: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026692/microsoft-surface-pro-64gb-comes-with-only-23gb-of-available-storage-space.html

Seriously, it is probably time that manufacturers started coming clean about free space when they're selling things to non-technical consumers so that they could make an informed judgement as to how many songs and movies they can carry around. OK, some of us always knew that there would only be 70K left on our 100K floppies after formatting and installing CP/M, but you no longer have to be a techie to buy a PC. The USA might not agree, but on this side of the pond we have this thing about not liking advertising that misleads its target audience, even if it is pedantically correct.

paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 07:41 AM
It does look extreme as mentioned above but reading the article

2GB is the added content by samsung (some might call bloatware)

So if the phone has 8.8 available, that means the OS is about 5GB

Doesn't sound too extreme in general to me

lobeyonekenobi
May 10, 2013, 07:42 AM
I should have been more clear, when I said Windows 8 I meant the OS on the desktop not on the tablet.

If indeed the Surface has only 16GB free (can't say I know as I don't own one) then that too is not right.

I can only compare this to what I have iPad, iPod etc... and it is not right it being advertised as 16GB when you barely have 8GB available.

paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 07:47 AM
I should have been more clear, when I said Windows 8 I meant the OS on the desktop not on the tablet.

If indeed the Surface has only 16GB free (can't say I know as I don't own one) then that too is not right.

I can only compare this to what I have iPad, iPod etc... and it is not right it being advertised as 16GB when you barely have 8GB available.

But where do you draw the line and say whats acceptable

8GB available out of 16GB is a lot and I agree that it should state something
13GB on a 16GB on an iPod should equally be unacceptable (just to a lesser degree)

Anyone with the new HTC confirm how much space this has?

lobeyonekenobi
May 10, 2013, 07:54 AM
It does look extreme as mentioned above but reading the article

2GB is the added content by samsung (some might call bloatware)

So if the phone has 8.8 available, that means the OS is about 5GB

Doesn't sound too extreme in general to me

Fair enough it just depends on personal preference i suppose, I just think maybe when something is advertised as being 16GB or and only 8.8GB or whatever is available then there's something wrong.

As The Luggage said then maybe something should be done to advise any person not tech-savvy on the true space available in order to make an informed choice.

And I am not singling out Samsung, it should apply to all companies including Apple

mumph
May 10, 2013, 07:54 AM
~ equally be unacceptable (just to a lesser degree)

Made me chuckle. :D

paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 07:57 AM
Fair enough it just depends on personal preference i suppose, I just think maybe when something is advertised as being 16GB or and only 8.8GB or whatever is available, as The Luggage said then maybe something should be done to advise any person not tech-savvy on the true space available in order to make an informed choice.

And I am not singling out Samsung, it should apply to all companies including Apple

Fully agree

I can see if things change it will be like broadband stats advertised, the magical term 'up to' will be added

Galaxy S4 with up to 16GB available

Personally I also like the idea TheLuggage mentioned earlier, how much you can fit on it instead of the size of storage

lobeyonekenobi
May 10, 2013, 08:03 AM
Fully agree

I can see if things change it will be like broadband stats advertised, the magical term 'up to' will be added

Galaxy S4 with up to 16GB available

Personally I also like the idea TheLuggage mentioned earlier, how much you can fit on it instead of the size of storage

This would never happen for obvious reasons but maybe make a phone or iPod or whatever a 16GB PLUS the OS and apps.

OR have the options to be able to erase the bloatware or extra features and re-download them like any other app, but that's an ideal world scenario.

cynics
May 10, 2013, 08:15 AM
Out of curiosity how much space is used on a brand new Nexus 4 from the OS?

paulsalter
May 10, 2013, 08:19 AM
Tbut maybe make a phone or iPod or whatever a 16GB PLUS the OS and apps.



Go back to how Android was a couple of years ago, OS/Apps where separate

On my S2

2GB is for the OS & Apps (Increase this to perhaps min 8GB at the moment)
12GB is for whatever I want (make this the 16, 32GB etc)

Then there is the slot to add more if I want

watchthisspace
May 10, 2013, 08:31 AM
Out of curiosity how much space is used on a brand new Nexus 4 from the OS?

16gb Nexus 4 is roughly 13gb usable. 8gb version = 5ish gb

Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1974830

Now for Microsoft's Surface, it little usable storage because it comes with a massive recovery partition so you can do a clean reset without plugging the device into a computer. I believe the idea behind it was for true portability without the dependancy of a computer. Good idea in theory, but in practice it uses a little too much space.

And for Samsungs S4, all those sensors need software to make them of any use I guess *shrug*

A big bonus for iOS devices is Apple can really hone down on the space taken by iOS.

daveathall
May 10, 2013, 08:36 AM
I have just had a quick count of the apps I have downloaded, it comes to roughly 45, it works out at just over a gig, I still have nearly 7gb left on my internal storage and 14gb left on my sd card after loading well over 40gb worth of music on it, I'm not gonna run out of storage. I don't play games though, this would make a difference. :) TBH, storage is a non issue for me, if I wanted more music from my library I would buy another SD card to swap out with my original.

I always used a 16gb iPhone, I baulked at paying a 100 for another 16 gig and then another 100 to double that so forwent the pleasure of storing music on my phone. My 64gig Sd card cost under 50 quid.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009HPFUGI/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

blackhand1001
May 10, 2013, 08:40 AM
16gb Nexus 4 is roughly 13gb usable. 8gb version = 5ish gb

Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1974830

Now for Microsoft's Surface, it little usable storage because it comes with a massive recovery partition so you can do a clean reset without plugging the device into a computer. I believe the idea behind it was for true portability without the dependancy of a computer. Good idea in theory, but in practice it uses a little too much space.

And for Samsungs S4, all those sensors need software to make them of any use I guess *shrug*

A big bonus for iOS devices is Apple can really hone down on the space taken by iOS.

Android itself is actually very small. Its under 100MB's.

thejadedmonkey
May 10, 2013, 08:44 AM
Now for Microsoft's Surface, it little usable storage because it comes with a massive recovery partition so you can do a clean reset without plugging the device into a computer. I believe the idea behind it was for true portability without the dependancy of a computer. Good idea in theory, but in practice it uses a little too much space.

Honestly, I like the idea. It means that no matter where in the world I am, I don't have to worry about my Windows install getting hosed, unless the device physically breaks (and that's almost impossible to do!)

Plus, the 32gb Surface RT is the same price point as the 16gb iPad, so IMO it's like getting a 16gb iPad with 16gb of free space.

jamojamo
May 10, 2013, 09:27 AM
Wow - that's brilliant news for Samsung! Until now, it has been Apple who get singled out for generic problems that affect all gadgets: iPods make you go deaf! iPod batteries explode if they are damaged! iPads stop pacemakers! etc.

...but finally, we see "Samsung phones use some memory for the OS and pre-installed Apps!". Yes, Samsung have finally attained equity with Apple.


I agree, this should cause rejoicing in the halls at Samsung! Nobody cares when a no-name brand does the same thing.

More signs that the Android vs. iOS will be more like Samsung vs. Apple soon as bad as that may be for all of us consumers (I'd prefer viable 3rd and 4th alternatives).

Stuntman06
May 10, 2013, 03:27 PM
When is BBC going to do a story on Windows Surface Pro tablets? A 64GB tablet has only 23GB of space for the user.

MacRumorUser
May 10, 2013, 04:00 PM
When is BBC going to do a story on Windows Surface Pro tablets? A 64GB tablet has only 23GB of space for the user.

Lol. Very true.

Te only difference is nobody is buying the surface pro to warrant it being the centrepiece of an article ;) j/k

Kashsystems
May 11, 2013, 01:22 AM
Maybe Microsoft doesn't get targeted because they have a disclaimer and a web page giving you actually storage values.


System software uses significant storage space. Available storage is subject to change based on system software updates and apps usage. 1 GB = 1 billion bytes. For more information, see surface.com/storage

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/storage

KeanosMagicHat
May 11, 2013, 03:54 AM
This is an Android newbie question related to this thread, so apologies in advance.

I've only ever had a play (for any length of time) with Samsung phones on Android and what makes a lack of phone storage worse is the inability to store many apps on an additional microSD card. They are restricted to be stored on the phone only and cannot be moved.

Is this a Samsung phone architecture choice issue, or a wider Android problem?

daneoni
May 11, 2013, 05:08 AM
http://www.androidcentral.com/bbc-watchdog-investigate-samsung-galaxy-s4-internal-storage-controversy

Bit of a non issue as far as I am concerned

Isn't this the same with virtually all storage, you don't get exactly as advertised

Really? Just under HALF of the storage is gobbled up. A third of the storage is understandable and we're even used to it. Almost half or over half is not. You're doing something seriously wrong at that point.

0dev
May 11, 2013, 07:08 AM
http://www.androidcentral.com/bbc-watchdog-investigate-samsung-galaxy-s4-internal-storage-controversy

Bit of a non issue as far as I am concerned

Isn't this the same with virtually all storage, you don't get exactly as advertised

Normally I'd agree, but in this case is almost half what's advertised. That's an issue IMO, or at the very least it's something Samsung should make clear when they market the phone.

paulsalter
May 11, 2013, 07:37 AM
Normally I'd agree, but in this case is almost half what's advertised. That's an issue IMO, or at the very least it's something Samsung should make clear when they market the phone.

I agree with your points and it should be made clearer

But why is this only an issue now and why just Samsung

The OS on the S4 is 1GB larger than the S3, where there lots of complaints that the S3 only had 10GB free

My S2 only has 11GB free without any of my data on it, did people complain about this

The 8GB Nexus 7 also had 25% space used by the OS

Hoping someone can answer the question form earlier about the new HTC, curious how much this has free

adder7712
May 11, 2013, 08:00 AM
I know people already brought it up but that's why the phone has a microSD card slot...