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gmanist1000
May 13, 2013, 12:52 AM
I was watching a Chrome commercial yesterday and noticed how "Flat" their logo is. I remembered the old logo was more 3D-like and the new logo is very "Flat"

I think we will see something similar with the icons in iOS 7... just my two-cents.

411989

allthatjazz
May 13, 2013, 01:14 AM
This has been speculated and discussed to death...

isarat
May 13, 2013, 05:16 AM
I feel the rumor mills are in a real-bad state. I am sure, there's something coming with iOS7 and could be more towards a UX change with iOS. True or not, but almost everyone behind a flat-design rumors.

What people miss talking about are

- What it takes for a new UX for iOS?
- What about widgets, better notifications and other interactive components to streamline the user experience?
- What else other than flat?

iOS users never demanded for a flat UI, rather they're asking for a change but that doesn't mean that Apple has to pull an Android or WP. We need to hear some sensible rumors on this.

Apple is skeuomorphic design champion which helped to shape their products for all these years. THe culture and the taste they brought in wll not be easily trashed just for the sake of bringing in a flat UI. May be another new culture from Apple but I am sure they won't be ready to leave the taste.

Now take the flat thing for granted. What else?

perspectivebass
May 13, 2013, 06:46 AM
I'm getting pretty tiered of Flat VS Skeumorphism...

Flat design is not an approach nor a "style". Its a trend, and with every design trend it dies and gets a place in the pocket of great designer.

Design is about thinking of solutions for a problem. If "flat" design is the solution then use flat design, If skeumorphism is the best solution use Skeumorphism. Fact is that everything has skeumorphism. it starts with the terms like web PAGES it isn't a real page so the its referring to a real life example so only the term is already skeumorphism. The same counts for buttons the button isn't necessary for the function, but we do it to make things clearer and make people understand how it should be used.

So to ay skeumorphism is bad just doesn't make sense. So get over it embrace the fact there will always be skeumorphism and that flat design isn't the solution for iOS.

MonkeySee....
May 13, 2013, 06:55 AM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

Rogifan
May 13, 2013, 07:00 AM
I'm getting pretty tiered of Flat VS Skeumorphism...

Flat design is not an approach nor a "style". Its a trend, and with every design trend it dies and gets a place in the pocket of great designer.

Design is about thinking of solutions for a problem. If "flat" design is the solution then use flat design, If skeumorphism is the best solution use Skeumorphism. Fact is that everything has skeumorphism. it starts with the terms like web PAGES it isn't a real page so the its referring to a real life example so only the term is already skeumorphism. The same counts for buttons the button isn't necessary for the function, but we do it to make things clearer and make people understand how it should be used.

So to ay skeumorphism is bad just doesn't make sense. So get over it embrace the fact there will always be skeumorphism and that flat design isn't the solution for iOS.

It isn't about flat vs skeuomorphism, it's about ugly vs not ugly. And a lot of iOS is ugly right now. Some of that is attributable to skeuomorphism on steroids. Most likely that will get toned down or removed in iOS 7. Who knows maybe Apple will create a new trend that has the right mix of flat vs non flat; will take the best of what iOS has and the best from Windows and Android.

watchthisspace
May 13, 2013, 07:05 AM
If 'flat' means a more uniform design then great. It's one thing I think Windows Phone nails quite well. Skeumorphism can take it's place in history now.


2 cents.

watchthisspace
May 13, 2013, 07:12 AM
Scott Forstall and Steve Jobs loved Skeumorphism, but since neither are at Apple anymore and with Jony Ive taking control of human interface design for iOS, we will start to see his influences. Whether it is a flat design, or something completely different, time will tell.

But if Apple's history is to go by, these changes are more than likely to be subtle and on going. Or to the least, not like Windows 7 to Windows 8.

AQUADock
May 13, 2013, 08:19 AM
Why does everyone think that flat = metro? I sure that what they mean by flat is just the removal of skeuomorphic design elements with a slight new design language (think the current App store and music apps). iOS features dont usually get leaked, the only feature i think that got leaked from iOS is maps for iOS 6. I highly doubt there will be widgets but im sure there will be new feature that are similar.

Prototypical
May 13, 2013, 08:34 AM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

I don't see why not; developers all had to transition to revised dimensions of the iPhone 5. It wouldn't be a dramatic shift to flatten their icon (if not the entire app). At some point, peer pressure would force most of the big-name app developers to follow Apple's lead (nobody wants to be the last hold-out on shiny/bubbly styling).

randomdude
May 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
It isn't about flat vs skeuomorphism, it's about ugly vs not ugly. And a lot of iOS is ugly right now. Some of that is attributable to skeuomorphism on steroids. Most likely that will get toned down or removed in iOS 7. Who knows maybe Apple will create a new trend that has the right mix of flat vs non flat; will take the best of what iOS has and the best from Windows and Android.

It's true. If you only had stock apps it would be fine, but some developers go overboard on their icons which really makes your screen look terrible. Also, some people just tend to use really tacky/****** wallpapers, which makes things worse as well.

gmanist1000
May 13, 2013, 10:19 AM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

That's exactly along the route that I was thinking. Thanks for posting those!

bozzykid
May 13, 2013, 11:34 AM
The lack of good design in iOS (and especially Apple apps) has nothing to do with the icons or skeumorphism. You can change the Apple Weather app icon all you want but the app design is still terrible. Hopefully iOS 7 is going to bring a more functional design regardless of what textures are being used.

thejadedmonkey
May 13, 2013, 11:39 AM
Why does everyone think that flat = metro? I sure that what they mean by flat is just the removal of skeuomorphic design elements with a slight new design language (think the current App store and music apps). iOS features dont usually get leaked, the only feature i think that got leaked from iOS is maps for iOS 6. I highly doubt there will be widgets but im sure there will be new feature that are similar.

Some reports have used the words "Windows Phone" or "Metro" in their article title. It's not surprising that people are making the comparisons.

ASKendrew
May 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

Would love to see a full refresh of all the stock iOS icons in this sort of style. Would look so much better in my opinion!

gmanist1000
May 13, 2013, 04:41 PM
Would love to see a full refresh of all the stock iOS icons in this sort of style. Would look so much better in my opinion!

Follow the icons up with the same type of interface inside the apps, I would be impressed.

jafingi
May 13, 2013, 04:47 PM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

Actually, I think Apple could just remove the gloss from the icon they put on. Most developers uploads a "flat" icon, and lets Apple do the gloss (unless they mark the icon as precomposed - and the ones who does that, usually have a precomposed FLAT icon - like Facebook, Google Maps etc.).

So I don't think it would be THAT bad.

Looking so much forward to Ive's iOS.... IveOS :cool:

Am3r1ca16
May 13, 2013, 06:31 PM
i hope iOS 7 its not flat and dull like people have been speculating. that would look ugly,dull and boring!

johndallas999
May 13, 2013, 08:19 PM
I was watching a Chrome commercial yesterday and noticed how "Flat" their logo is. I remembered the old logo was more 3D-like and the new logo is very "Flat"

I think we will see something similar with the icons in iOS 7... just my two-cents.

411989

Uh...yeah, that's kinda what has been said about 100000000 times already.

gmanist1000
May 13, 2013, 08:32 PM
Uh...yeah, that's kinda what has been said about 100000000 times already.

Really? Thanks for reminding me.

JoeG4
May 13, 2013, 08:45 PM
@ the comment about web "pages", websites tend to be very fluid these days, I doubt the page thing applies anymore.

I do prefer the static navigation to the javascript mess that we're getting these days though.

whocaresit
May 13, 2013, 09:15 PM
Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)


That is dreadfully hideous. :eek: :mad:

.Asa
May 13, 2013, 09:31 PM
I don't like the leather and wood textures in iOS, but I do like the shiny bubbly stuff. I would hate to see it go.

Razeus
May 15, 2013, 08:43 AM
Gee, thanks for yet another thread.

As said before, most dev's already have flat designs. It's Apple who is behind the design curve, and none of their apps have a cohesive feel to them.

shadowlawless
May 15, 2013, 11:44 AM
Am i the only one thinking that "flat design" might mean

Remove all colour and shading
remove features that people really liked
replace with "IOS Mission control"
make very little effort to innovate or actually make some new applications.

Naturally i could be wrong but been real p****d off with apple lately, they used to be ahead of the game. there last few updates (thats including OS x) have either been boring or actually bad.

p.s.

if your wondering what i mean

Apple Maps, expose, spaces, save/duplicate, full screen apps disabling your other monitor, heavily advertised features only available in very newest MacBooks and bugs bugs bugs

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The lack of good design in iOS (and especially Apple apps) has nothing to do with the icons or skeumorphism. You can change the Apple Weather app icon all you want but the app design is still terrible. Hopefully iOS 7 is going to bring a more functional design regardless of what textures are being used.

was wondering when someone was gonna point this out

canucksfan88
May 17, 2013, 01:00 AM
I wouldn't mind icons like this...

Image (http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/114497/screenshots/1065640/ios-flat-icons-preview_1x.png)

Don't think it will happen though as it would mean devs would need to change their icons for a more consistent look.

that is sexy. i want!

topper24hours
May 17, 2013, 01:29 AM
I'm getting pretty tiered of Flat VS Skeumorphism...

Flat design is not an approach nor a "style". Its a trend, and with every design trend it dies and gets a place in the pocket of great designer.

Design is about thinking of solutions for a problem. If "flat" design is the solution then use flat design, If skeumorphism is the best solution use Skeumorphism. Fact is that everything has skeumorphism. it starts with the terms like web PAGES it isn't a real page so the its referring to a real life example so only the term is already skeumorphism. The same counts for buttons the button isn't necessary for the function, but we do it to make things clearer and make people understand how it should be used.

So to ay skeumorphism is bad just doesn't make sense. So get over it embrace the fact there will always be skeumorphism and that flat design isn't the solution for iOS.

Well, I do agree that there will always be SOME degree of skeumorphism.. hopefully only where necessary. I don't deign to pretend my opinion is more valid than others, so I'm not going to join you in telling people what they should get over or embrace.. However, I will share my opinions. I think that having an app like iBooks resemble actual paper is VERY good and makes the whole experience feel more natural. I absolutely ABHOR leather stitching on an app like Find Friends though. What is that even supposed to resemble? Is there some old musty leather bound book that tracks current whereabouts of friends via GPS coordinates that I'm unaware of?? Similarly, I find the faux felt of the Game Center app hideous & gaudy. Once again, it's just off kilter.. who would think of a billiards table in relation to modern video games?? It feels like a design by old men that are out of touch with the times... I am quite excited to see Jony's fresh/clean design. It is a fairly unanimous opinion that he can design very elegant & beautiful hardware, I don't see why anybody would think that his eye for detail and gorgeous simplicity would yield ugly results on the software side. Just one man's opinion.. but I guess we'll all know soon enough! =)

pod5g
May 17, 2013, 08:45 PM
I don't mind the current design. I don't see why the flat design is needed, it's not like the current icons are jumping up from the device and clawing our eyes out.

Drunken Master
May 18, 2013, 10:51 AM
I don't mind the current design. I don't see why the flat design is needed, it's not like the current icons are jumping up from the device and clawing our eyes out.

They need to lose the faux-gloss shimmer that many apps now lack.

You know which one.

Osullivan1
May 18, 2013, 12:25 PM
They need to lose the faux-gloss shimmer that many apps now lack.

You know which one.

Like this:

http://s23.postimg.org/v88pwfc3v/Flatter.png (http://s24.postimg.org/9m10duk2d/Flatter.png)

JoeG4
May 18, 2013, 10:42 PM
I don't like the leather and wood textures in iOS, but I do like the shiny bubbly stuff. I would hate to see it go.

There's always a slight in between as well, where you have some gradient but not that really strong shine one.

opinio
May 19, 2013, 04:40 AM
Don't the icons need to be flatter to fit in the thinner iphones now?

Hehe :)