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moonman239
May 17, 2013, 02:08 PM
I just e-mailed a text message from my iPad to someone who does not accept iMessages. This made me think. Wouldn't it be nice if Apple created an iMessage-to-SMS gateway? I would prefer, of course, that a designated phone number, whether the device that uses that number is an iPhone or not, show up on the recipient's phone as the sender's phone number.

I imagine this would make the iPhone look more favorable to someone who's stuck with a carrier that charges more for texting than for a good data plan.

Maybe this would also make the iPod touch or iPad more favorable to those who do not, and may never, want to buy an iPhone.

What are your thoughts?

paulbennett95
May 18, 2013, 11:27 AM
Wouldn't happen due to the carriers, they'd be pissed off if Apple circumvented their SMS fees like that.

nickhutson
May 19, 2013, 02:28 AM
Carriers still charge for SMS?

They gave up doing that years ago here in the UK - unless you're on PAYG - and even then, they're often included.

ThisIsNotMe
May 19, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apple is all about ecosystems.
I would much rather see them expand on iMessage (free texting between iOS devices) and implement free VoIP calling between iOS devices first.

JoEw
May 19, 2013, 02:32 PM
Couldn't they simply send the iMessage from ipad/mac to your iPhone then as SMS? Therefore not curcumveniting carrier texting fees and allowing the ability only for people who have an iPhone of course. I don't understand why Apple has yet to do this, would help iMessage significantly.

apollo1444
May 19, 2013, 09:52 PM
you can send an iMessage sms to someone who does not accept iMessage just tap over the message and tap "send as sms"

sarcosis
May 19, 2013, 10:10 PM
Carriers still charge for SMS?

They gave up doing that years ago here in the UK - unless you're on PAYG - and even then, they're often included.

Sadly we still do. Makes me upset every time I think about it. That's why I try not to think about it since there isn't anything that I can do about it.

zorinlynx
May 29, 2013, 06:46 PM
This is a feature I've been wanting Apple to implement ever since iMessage came out.

I'm often using my iPad and my iPhone is nearby, across the room, etc. I'd love for a received text message to be quietly sent to the iPad, allowing me to respond, using the phone as an SMS gateway on the same local network.

It would be trivial to implement and be a remarkably handy feature! Also, when the iPad and iPhone join the same Wifi network, they could sync conversations so you always have the same Messages view across your iDevices.

I doubt it'll happen, though.

Michael CM1
May 29, 2013, 11:03 PM
Wouldn't happen due to the carriers, they'd be pissed off if Apple circumvented their SMS fees like that.

Carriers have pretty much given off monetizing that. Aside from legacy plans, most of the US carriers are pretty much throwing unlimited voice and SMS at you -- for $20 more a month. iMessage helped kill that, thankfully.

siurpeeman
May 29, 2013, 11:14 PM
you can send an iMessage sms to someone who does not accept iMessage just tap over the message and tap "send as sms"

you can only do that from an iphone, not an ipad or ipod touch. instead of sending imessages as texts, it'd be nice if apple just made an imessage app for android or windows phone.

bushido
May 30, 2013, 01:18 PM
Carriers still charge for SMS?

They gave up doing that years ago here in the UK - unless you're on PAYG - and even then, they're often included.

8-19 cent each if you have no unlimited text or volume package here in Germany

but thanks to iMessage and mostly WhatsApp i havent sent an sms in months

Michael Goff
May 30, 2013, 02:39 PM
Carriers still charge for SMS?

They gave up doing that years ago here in the UK - unless you're on PAYG - and even then, they're often included.

Carriers would charge for you to turn on your phone if they could get away with it.

They'll charge for anything.

xcodeaddict
Jun 2, 2013, 07:29 PM
Seriously, in this day and age, if you **pay** for SMS, you are a mug.

moonman239
Jun 5, 2013, 01:33 AM
I did a little work on an SMS gateway for Macs. It was an AppleScript that would detect an incoming iMessage and send the message to a designated cellphone via Google Voice.

User sends message intended for John Appleseed to his iMessage account -> User's designated Mac receives the message, and sees that it is intended for John Appleseed -> Mac relays message via Google Voice's texting feature to John Appleseed's cellphone.

One problem that this idea introduces is the problem of how the computer is supposed to know where the message is supposed to go. The user would either have to create one email address for each contact and add all addresses to his iMessage account, or he'd have to type out the recipient's name every time he sent a message.

The first option might be good enough for now, but I don't think the AppleScript would know which email address the user sent the iMessage to.

A possible, and easy, solution would be to simply send an e-mail to the recipient's phone. Anyone can send an email to almost any phone, and it will be converted to an SMS by the carrier. To find the e-mail domain to use, do a Web search for "email-to-SMS gateway (recipient's carrier's name here)." For AT&T, the domain to use is mms.att.net.

bozzykid
Jun 5, 2013, 08:43 PM
Seriously, in this day and age, if you **pay** for SMS, you are a mug.

Not everyone lives in the US.

xcodeaddict
Jun 5, 2013, 11:52 PM
Not everyone lives in the US.

I'm not in the USA - I am in the UK :)

jclardy
Jun 6, 2013, 07:59 AM
you can send an iMessage sms to someone who does not accept iMessage just tap over the message and tap "send as sms"

This is only on iPhone - OP is talking about doing it from a device without an SMS plan so Apple would be sending the SMS.

CAWjr
Jun 6, 2013, 08:50 AM
I pay for unlimited text on my AT&T family plan because I have a number of text alerts set up from multiple services that do not use iMessage, plus we still have friends who (shockingly) don't have iPhones & cannot send iMessages & I would rather not have to bother with the worry of "Am I over my monthly allotment of texts?"

Yeah it sucks, & I would rather not have to deal with it, but you cannot wipe out your text message plan altogether because the carriers will not allow you to turn it off. And without a plan, people can send you text messages all day & you are charged for incoming messages just as much as you are charged for outgoing messages.

1080p
Jun 7, 2013, 12:12 PM
I think Apple should build in a way that allows iPhone to link with other iMessage capable devices (iPad/Mac) via Bluetooth and then allow the client connected iMessage apps to use the SMS connectivity of the iPhone (SMS composed on the iPad/Mac routed through the iPhone automatically and wirelessly).

fabian9
Jun 7, 2013, 03:00 PM
Seriously, in this day and age, if you **pay** for SMS, you are a mug.

I'm not in the USA - I am in the UK :)

And clearly you have no friends outside of the UK! :)

xcodeaddict
Jun 7, 2013, 04:09 PM
And clearly you have no friends outside of the UK! :)

"Clearly" nothing, you are wrong.

fabian9
Jun 8, 2013, 05:04 AM
And clearly you have no friends outside of the UK! :)

"Clearly" nothing, you are wrong.

The point I was trying to make was that if you need to send messages internationally then no plans that I'm aware of will allow you to do this free of charge.

pittpanthersfan
Jun 8, 2013, 05:46 AM
Apple is all about ecosystems.
I would much rather see them expand on iMessage (free texting between iOS devices) and implement free VoIP calling between iOS devices first.

Like FaceTime with the camera disabled?

profets
Jun 8, 2013, 06:38 AM
Like FaceTime with the camera disabled?

VoiceTime. That would be nice. I'd imagine while in a FaceTime call you put the phone to your ear and it would turn into a voice only call.

ChristianJapan
Jun 8, 2013, 07:08 AM
I still don't understand why people still use (and pay) SMS ... is there still a phone outside not able to send a simple eMail via IMAP ? Even simple "flip-phones" have email. The only SMS I receive is when someone hit my voice box ...

scapegoat81
Jun 8, 2013, 07:12 AM
I just e-mailed a text message from my iPad to someone who does not accept iMessages. This made me think. Wouldn't it be nice if Apple created an iMessage-to-SMS gateway? I would prefer, of course, that a designated phone number, whether the device that uses that number is an iPhone or not, show up on the recipient's phone as the sender's phone number.

I imagine this would make the iPhone look more favorable to someone who's stuck with a carrier that charges more for texting than for a good data plan.

Maybe this would also make the iPod touch or iPad more favorable to those who do not, and may never, want to buy an iPhone.

What are your thoughts?

Yes. Yes. & uhhhh Yes. :D
Eff these carriers. They've been robbing us for too long. Time to move forward & break loose from their stranglehold

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Apple is all about ecosystems.
I would much rather see them expand on iMessage (free texting between iOS devices) and implement free VoIP calling between iOS devices first.
^This.

iBreatheApple
Jun 8, 2013, 07:33 AM
It's due to our ignorance, really, that they get away with charging so inanely for SMS. If outlying rates were more commonly known they carriers would likely lay off a bit because of customer demand/satisfaction. That's my $.02, anyway.

scapegoat81
Jun 8, 2013, 07:42 AM
Seriously, in this day and age, if you **pay** for SMS, you are a mug.

*tips hat.
I turned off unlimited text & put my wife & I on an iMessage diet about a year ago. No regrets.

iBreatheApple
Jun 8, 2013, 07:49 AM
*tips hat.
I turned off unlimited text & put my wife & I on an iMessage diet about a year ago. No regrets.

Turned mine of two weeks ago as I "never" SMS because "everyone" I talk to has an iPhone or and iMessage capable device... called AT&T to reactivate it three days later. $.20 a message? Just as ridiculous as the $20 they charge for unlimited but I'd rather not go over $20 worth of pay-per-use than be stubborn.

scapegoat81
Jun 8, 2013, 07:56 AM
Yeah it sucks, & I would rather not have to deal with it, but you cannot wipe out your text message plan altogether because the carriers will not allow you to turn it off. And without a plan, people can send you text messages all day & you are charged for incoming messages just as much as you are charged for outgoing messages.
Idk where u live or what carrier you use, but I opted out of texting all together on both me & my wife's phone. On AT&T in the good ol' US of A

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Turned mine of two weeks ago as I "never" SMS because "everyone" I talk to has an iPhone or and iMessage capable device... called AT&T to reactivate it three days later. $.20 a message? Just as ridiculous as the $20 they charge for unlimited but I'd rather not go over $20 worth of pay-per-use than be stubborn.

Definitely. I recently opted out of texting all together to go strictly iMessage & Whatsapp, but after my wife found out, needless to say I had to opt back in Lol.
No problem tho. As long as I stay under the price of Unlimited Family Texting ($30/mo), I'm a happy camper. The closest we came to that was $10 for the "pay per text".
Still. No regrets. :)
I even dumbed down our monthly minutes from 700 to 550 cuz all we do is communicate via iMessage, Twitter, Facebook, or Whatsapp. Even with At&t's rollover minutes, we make out well. I went from roughly a 145/mo down to 100/mo for 2 iPhones. :D

& for those who quote this & ask, "Why don't you just get a Shared family data plan, it comes with unlimited talk & text"....... Save it.

DaveTheRave
Jun 8, 2013, 10:41 AM
I recently opted out of texting all together to go strictly iMessage & Whatsapp...

Dumb question, but can you use Whatsapp to sent a text to a non-Whatsapp user? And if so, do replies go back to Whatsapp or come in as a regular SMS?

scapegoat81
Jun 9, 2013, 01:25 PM
Dumb question, but can you use Whatsapp to sent a text to a non-Whatsapp user? And if so, do replies go back to Whatsapp or come in as a regular SMS?

No u cannot. Sending texts via Whatsapp works just like iMessage. It uses your data plan. U need Whatsapp on both ends for it to work.

ThisIsNotMe
Jun 9, 2013, 01:31 PM
Like FaceTime with the camera disabled?

Yes.