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ApplNat
May 18, 2013, 09:44 AM
Hi All,

First time poster. I've decided to jump into the land of Apple and treat myself to a 13" MBA. Since the newest MBAs are due to be announced, I've decided to wait for that. Oh, but it's difficult. I do have a couple Win laptops so it's not like I'm computerless altogether; I'm just antsy now that I've made a decision to pull the trigger on a new tech tool.

Why am I waiting for Haswell? Well aside from wanting the newest version of hardware, I'm hoping there will be a bump in battery life.

For awhile I thought I might go the route of getting an iPad, but as a dedicated touch typist who is not merely consuming content but actively participates in creating content, there is no way I can be proficient on a virtual touch screen. Yes I know I could add a keyboard to an iPad but that makes it a laptop in the end. I realized the iPad is fab, but I have no real 'need' for one, truth be told. Besides, I have a 4th gen iPod touch and that's a mini-mini iPad! ;-D

I decided since an old Dell laptop screen just died to use that excuse/rationalization as my reason to get a new laptop and I've been eying the MBAs for awhile now.

Patience will have to be a newly acquired skill as I have no idea how quickly the newest MBAs will be available once announced next month.

As for specs I'm thinking 8gb RAM and either 128 or 256gb HD, depending. i5 would be fast enough for my use.



B...
May 18, 2013, 10:16 AM
I hope Apple offers more than 8MB RAM. 8GB?

ApplNat
May 18, 2013, 11:02 AM
I hope Apple offers more than 8MB RAM. 8GB?

obviously a typo, yes.

hockeyfanatic
May 18, 2013, 04:37 PM
obviously a typo, yes.

Stop complaining!

8MB is Way more than 640KB! :)

Lindberg
May 18, 2013, 06:29 PM
good for you mate... I wish I could afford the update.

Agent-P
May 18, 2013, 09:39 PM
As for specs I'm thinking 8mb RAM and either 128 or 256gb HD, depending. i5 would be fast enough for my use.

I currently have the mid-2012 8gb RAM, 128gb SSD, 1.8 GHz i5 and it handles stuff like a champ. I usually keep Photoshop, ~5 tabs in Firefox, Osfoora (a Twitter client), Messages, Spotify, and Skype all open at once and have everything respond perfectly.

But I'm planning on selling soon so I can pick up a Haswell MBA for the same reasons you stated (hopefully better battery life and better GPU). I'll definitely opt for 8gb RAM again and I'll stick with the i5 processor. As for the SSD, I'm still deciding if I'll go with 128gb again or upgrade to the 256gb one. I'm going to wait and see if the SSD will still be user upgradeable or not.

Scottsdale
May 18, 2013, 10:05 PM
I seriously doubt we will get a 16GB RAM option. Even the rMBP 13" model doesn't have it. I believe they will use the Intel GPU differences to differentiate the rMBP in 13" model. I suspect Apple would have the 13" rMBP get the 16GB RAM option before the MBA.

What I want will probably not happen. All I expect to see is Haswell and very minor GPU and battery life improvements. I hope my gut is wrong and we get a completely revamped MBA with all the bells and whistles. Most importantly an improved IPS display.

Congrats on the decision. Either way, you can wait for the update and buy the 2012 model at a discount or get a new one if there is some reason to upgrade. I wouldn't say Haswell would be enough. For 2012, in all Apple products, I was happy to see USB 3.0. Cheers.

ApplNat
May 18, 2013, 11:20 PM
Since I don't have an MBA (or any Apple laptop) I don't have to mull over a decision whether to upgrade or not. I will start with the 2013 model.

Although..... I did work for Apple for one year (1995) at headquarters in Cupertino, in the days before Jobs came back, Michael Spindler was ousted and then Gil Amelio came in. Those were the dark times. I purchased a Mac Powerbook Duo 280c with my employee discount. Color laptop. It was the hot diggity. Then again, I did have 2 Newtons as well at the time so clearly my world view was quite skewed. :D

Mackan
May 19, 2013, 04:23 AM
I seriously doubt we will get a 16GB RAM option. Even the rMBP 13" model doesn't have it. I believe they will use the Intel GPU differences to differentiate the rMBP in 13" model. I suspect Apple would have the 13" rMBP get the 16GB RAM option before the MBA.

What I want will probably not happen. All I expect to see is Haswell and very minor GPU and battery life improvements. I hope my gut is wrong and we get a completely revamped MBA with all the bells and whistles. Most importantly an improved IPS display.

I unfortunately think Apple is happy with how the MacBook Air is today, due to their obsessive nature of product differentiation. It's their speciality. They don't want to make the Air "too good", and don't want to give it features their other neighboring products have (such as the iPad or MacBook Pro).

So what you expect to see, minor GPU and battery life improvements, sounds exactly what you will get. They could give you 16 GB RAM option, but they won't... Your needs as a customer isn't their priority.

tann
May 19, 2013, 11:42 AM
I would love an Air as my next laptop, before I would buy one however I'd like the option of 16gb of ram. It's sad that it's not even an option on the 13" rMBPs yet but hopefully they give us the option this year or next.

DisplacedMic
May 19, 2013, 03:10 PM
I unfortunately think Apple is happy with how the MacBook Air is today, due to their obsessive nature of product differentiation. It's their speciality. They don't want to make the Air "too good", and don't want to give it features their other neighboring products have (such as the iPad or MacBook Pro).

So what you expect to see, minor GPU and battery life improvements, sounds exactly what you will get. They could give you 16 GB RAM option, but they won't... Your needs as a customer isn't their priority.

other than that bizarre final sentence, i agree with this. and i'm happy about it - increased battery life on the 11" is, in my opinion, all that's really needed. the rest is just gravy.

bp1000
May 22, 2013, 05:19 AM
Yes that final sentence was bizarre

They restrict things not to ignore users needs, quite the opposite, to make them better, so you buy the right product to give you the best usability.

I hate companies that shoehorn everything in. If you had 16gb on a 2012 MBA you might buy it for video editing or similar and be disappointed with the experience. Get the faster mbp for a better experience at high intensity work.

People moan about the iPhone lacking in features to Samsung. The galaxy 4 had NFC my 4s does not. Can I use NFC anywhere? Not that I know of, never seen any mention of NFC usage in over a year. All great to shoehorn features into something, disappointing when you can't use them proactively in daily life or the user experience is poor because the supporting hardware isn't up to spec,

Santabean2000
May 22, 2013, 08:01 AM
I seriously doubt we will get a 16GB RAM option. Even the rMBP 13" model doesn't have it. I believe they will use the Intel GPU differences to differentiate the rMBP in 13" model. I suspect Apple would have the 13" rMBP get the 16GB RAM option before the MBA.

What I want will probably not happen. All I expect to see is Haswell and very minor GPU and battery life improvements. I hope my gut is wrong and we get a completely revamped MBA with all the bells and whistles. Most importantly an improved IPS display.

Congrats on the decision. Either way, you can wait for the update and buy the 2012 model at a discount or get a new one if there is some reason to upgrade. I wouldn't say Haswell would be enough. For 2012, in all Apple products, I was happy to see USB 3.0. Cheers.

You've nailed it. 16GB RAM should be an option in all models, but sadly with the increasingly non-upgradable components these days in the MBAs, MBPs, iMacs, (and soon to be, I think, mini and new MP [type comp which won't be called a MP]), we are really at the mercy of Apple's out of the box options.

I bought a MBP last year over the MBA mainly for this exact reason. Scottsdale, I remember you (and I) wishing for an option for an MBA with 4GB RAM a year or two back; now we can get 8GB and I'm pushing for 16GB... I must be a bit of a sucker.

As others have said, they feel the need to have some distinct differences between models and just don't want to confuse customers with too many options.

I guess the reality is that most customers are just happy with the stock standard options straight off the shelf. Shame that.

My ideal machine:
13" MBA 16GB RAM, 960GB SSD, retina IPS 2880x1800
I think I might be lucky... in 2015.

No-Me
May 22, 2013, 09:35 AM
My ideal machine:
13" MBA 16GB RAM, 960GB SSD, retina IPS 2880x1800
I think I might be lucky... in 2015.
:)

I use my 1st gen 11" MBA as my second computer, only for on the road. It's still ok for that, but I would love to replace it with one that has a Retina screen :) and that has a battery that holds longer, would love to be able to just not take a charger sometimes.

DisplacedMic
May 22, 2013, 12:19 PM
:)

I use my 1st gen 11" MBA as my second computer, only for on the road. It's still ok for that, but I would love to replace it with one that has a Retina screen :) and that has a battery that holds longer, would love to be able to just not take a charger sometimes.

especially in europe where the plugs weigh more than the device;):p:D

but i really doubt we'll see a retina mba any time soon - especially not on the 11"

No-Me
May 22, 2013, 02:18 PM
I know, but somehow I hope the chromebook pixel and the new announced samsung screens will get Apple "motivated" to make it a little faster ;)

B...
May 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
I know, but somehow I hope the chromebook pixel and the new announced samsung screens will get Apple "motivated" to make it a little faster ;)

Right, the Chromebook Pixel is a breakthrough in computer technology! A $1300 web browser with a pretty screen, whereas the rMBP is a $1500 full-fledged computer with 4x the storage, more and better ports, better aspect ratio for any real work, more apps, the ability to run more than one OS, etc with a pretty screen. The Chromebook is not a rMBA, it's a very bad "copy" of the rMBP, so Apple has already "made it".

PDFierro
May 22, 2013, 03:27 PM
I'd like better screen technology, but all I'm really expecting is Haswell and other minor improvements. That's good enough for me, it's why I'm waiting to order the new one instead of buying now.

scupking
May 22, 2013, 05:47 PM
I hope for 16GBs of ram. I have 8 in my 2010 13" MBP..

Steve121178
May 23, 2013, 07:28 AM
As for specs I'm thinking 8gb RAM and either 128 or 256gb HD, depending. i5 would be fast enough for my use.

Should be more than capable. My MBA from mid 2011 copes with anything I throw at it and should last me for at least another 2 years.

No-Me
May 23, 2013, 09:25 AM
Right, the Chromebook Pixel is a breakthrough in computer technology! A $1300 web browser with a pretty screen, whereas the rMBP is a $1500 full-fledged computer with 4x the storage, more and better ports, better aspect ratio for any real work, more apps, the ability to run more than one OS, etc with a pretty screen. The Chromebook is not a rMBA, it's a very bad "copy" of the rMBP, so Apple has already "made it".

I was not talking about the Chromebook itself, but about the screen, since the retina screens (or better than apple has now) are getting more and more mainstream I somehow hope that Apple wants to be one of the first to add a retina display to a very thin laptop.

InfinitiG
May 23, 2013, 03:15 PM
I have 8gb in my 2008 Macbook
16gb should be the standard by now

PeterJP
May 23, 2013, 05:55 PM
I have 16GB in my desktop windows PC and it has about 13GB free at the moment. I'm not too much of a power user. But if 16GB becomes available, I would get it for futureproofing. Can't upgrade afterwards ! Same for the 256GB vs 128GB SSD, but those are available already.

Retina would be nice, but I'm reconsidering. I love the fact that I can rescale the screen without jaggies (big for couch surfing and small for decent work). But I also want a really small machine. I don't think I'll be doing lots of decent work on a 13" rMBP without an external monitor attached, so the retina is wasted. Might as well get a well spec'ed 11" MBA and enjoy the tiny size while on the road or couch surfing :)


Peter.

Verix
May 24, 2013, 02:19 AM
I have never had more than 4GB ram in my computers. Granted, they slow up when too much is going on, but that's time to close some other stuff. I can't even imagine how much stuff you guys leave open to need 16GB of ram unless you need it for professional applications.

Steve121178
May 24, 2013, 02:57 AM
I have never had more than 4GB ram in my computers. Granted, they slow up when too much is going on, but that's time to close some other stuff. I can't even imagine how much stuff you guys leave open to need 16GB of ram unless you need it for professional applications.

VM's.

Verix
May 24, 2013, 05:56 AM
VM's.

I see.

PeterJP
May 24, 2013, 06:09 AM
I have never had more than 4GB ram in my computers. Granted, they slow up when too much is going on, but that's time to close some other stuff. I can't even imagine how much stuff you guys leave open to need 16GB of ram unless you need it for professional applications.

When I'm working on a few things at a time, it helps when the applications open and close quickly. So more memory is better, because they don't need to be reloaded. But even after quickly opening a large variety of programs just now, I'm still not up to 4GB.

On the other hand, the PC that I bought 10 years ago had 1GB. It sounded like a lot back then. Pretty soon, I had to upgrade. So if I can hit 4GB without too much effort now, I don't think less than 8GB is wise if you want to use your computer for a few years.


Peter.

Ifti
May 24, 2013, 06:34 AM
I want to max the 11" model out (with a 128GB SSD though) which will be used for couch surfing most of the time instead of my iPad. I like to max them out so that it'll last as long as possible TBH rather then the need to run anything intensive.

I'll also be buying a maxed out rMBP 15" as well, to use as my main workhorse for my video editing etc.

My current MBP (in sig) will be sold. Then Im set for the next few years at least..............well thats what I say for the moment..............lol ;)

ukflyer
May 29, 2013, 04:33 PM
especially in europe where the plugs weigh more than the device;):p:D

but i really doubt we'll see a retina mba any time soon - especially not on the 11"

I am hoping that the 13" with retina will be announced in June.. do you think this is unlikely? If not, I would go with the MBP.

B...
May 29, 2013, 05:28 PM
I am hoping that the 13" with retina will be announced in June.. do you think this is unlikely? If not, I would go with the MBP.

It is very likely that it will be announced along with the other computers at WWDC on June 10.

andiwm2003
May 29, 2013, 07:52 PM
I am hoping that the 13" with retina will be announced in June.. do you think this is unlikely? If not, I would go with the MBP.

i hope they offer a non retina version as well. I need/want longer battery life. and if the option was there I would rather buy a faster cpu or a bigger SSD than a retina screen.

my eye's are not good enough to see the difference between retina and normal screen on the MBP anyway:o

DisplacedMic
May 30, 2013, 06:31 AM
I am hoping that the 13" with retina will be announced in June.. do you think this is unlikely? If not, I would go with the MBP.


i'm no insider, nor am i an expert by any means, but I think it is extremely unlikely that we'll get a retina screen on either MBA.
We'll know in a few days though!

the new chip will definitely run cooler and require less power but not enough to make a big enough difference. Retina takes a LOT more power. Go look at the different battery sizes in the various retina machines vs classic.

i just don't see how it would be practical without sacrificing weight or size.

the 13" MBA is already being "threatened" with redundancy with the 13" rMBP as it is. the 13: rMBP has a smaller footprint and only weighs .5 lb more...

i just don't see it happening this time around. especially on the 11" but probably not on the 13" either

but what do i know? :D