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MacRumors
May 24, 2013, 04:52 PM
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Automatic introduced (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/12/automatic-link-app-and-bluetooth-adapter-create-connected-car-for-diagnostics-and-safety/) its Automatic Link (https://www.automatic.com) connected car system in March of this year, promising to ship out the app and the Bluetooth adapter beginning in May.

The system includes a plug-in adapter that is designed to read data from a car's onboard diagnostics, turning nearly any car manufactured after 1996 into a connected car. The adapter utilizes an accompanying iPhone app to provide detailed information on driving habits and car health.

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Unfortunately, Automatic has experienced some problems with the aforementioned iPhone app and as a result, it has decided to delay (via Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/24/automatic-delay-connected-car-platform-iphone-app/)) the final release of the system until August to work out some of the kinks.The good news is that the Link - that little device that plugs into your car - is ready and being manufactured! Unfortunately, we underestimated the time needed to complete the iPhone app and we're sorry to say that it won't be ready until the end of August.As it is only the software that needs to be tweaked (the hardware is already in production), Automatic is offering its first preorder customers the opportunity to test a beta version of the system. Customers that opt-in to the beta will receive the dongle and the app in mid-June, but the company warns that the current version of the app lacks support for Crash Alert, multiple cars, and multiple users.

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Customers who are eligible to participate in the early release of the Automatic Link should have already received an email from the company with details on how to proceed. Customers who ordered later or who order today can expect to receive the Link in August.

The Automatic Link retails for $69.95 and can be preordered (http://www.automatic.com) from the Automatic website.

Article Link: Automatic Connected Car System Delayed Until August (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/24/automatic-connected-car-system-delayed-until-august/)



Unggoy Murderer
May 24, 2013, 05:00 PM
That looks pretty awesome, will probably pick one up! Wonder what it will do for my 2012 Kia Rio :p

1080p
May 24, 2013, 05:00 PM
What is so special about this? OBD II adaptors for iPhone and other smartphones is nothing new.

jpmcnown
May 24, 2013, 05:09 PM
What is so special about this? OBD II adaptors for iPhone and other smartphones is nothing new.

Exactly, but this is magical and revolutionary. Until it's available, THIS (http://www.plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=GSSTWIFI) will have to suffice.(and it works AWESOME btw)

alsec
May 24, 2013, 05:21 PM
I like the soothing music in the background. What is it from!!

JayCee842
May 24, 2013, 05:36 PM
I'm looking forward to this. I didn't know it existed till now. :)

akac
May 24, 2013, 05:36 PM
What is so special about this? OBD II adaptors for iPhone and other smartphones is nothing new.

What's special is
#1 its cheaper than the others.
#2 the iPhone app is designed for regular people - ala my wife and kids.

1080p
May 24, 2013, 06:00 PM
What's special is
#1 its cheaper than the others.
#2 the iPhone app is designed for regular people - ala my wife and kids.




Uh.... OBD 2 Bluetooth adapters can be had for $15 on eBay. Those are only compatible with Android though. But even the GoLink (iPhone compatible) adapters are only $40-50 online.

verniesgarden
May 24, 2013, 06:58 PM
What is so special about this? OBD II adaptors for iPhone and other smartphones is nothing new.

easier app to use, some features like crash detection and parking location.

SockRolid
May 24, 2013, 07:16 PM
Me: "Siri - Increase turbo boost by 50%."

Engine: "Kaboom."

fontman
May 24, 2013, 08:25 PM
The App . is not that hard to write . it may have been more a delay with the hardware not doing all it was spec to do so now they have to do more software coding to get the features they need .

SkippyThorson
May 24, 2013, 08:52 PM
I'm buying this the moment it comes out. :)

toaster64
May 24, 2013, 09:08 PM
The "check engine" light is a load of BS. The car knows exactly what's wrong with it but doesn't tell you!

simply stunning
May 24, 2013, 10:11 PM
I pre ordered one of these when they came out for pre order and was sent this email. I decided to opt into the bata.

I have to say I'm pretty annoyed about it, as they sent out an email even 2 weeks ago and said all was on time to ship this month. Not sure what happened in the past two weeks to push out shipping several weeks and not have a full workin app till August?

Oh well

MVallee
May 25, 2013, 12:06 AM
"Automatic only supports drivers living in the U.S."

That sucks! I can understand 911 not being supported everywhere but the rest of the features should be compatible with cars in Canada. This seems like a great idea!

Michael CM1
May 25, 2013, 12:26 AM
"Your son has been in a car crash and help is on the way."

Nice way to freak out parents if it's some fender-bender that doesn't really hurt anyone. I'm hoping it's quite customizable.

Sounds like a good app. I have had my tire pressure light come on a bazillion times in the past. Considering the fact that I have four tires, it annoys me that it won't tell me which one. Same kind of thing with the engine temperature needle that sits between "C" and "H."

What I hope this is is basically like iStat Menus for your car. Tell me what my coolant temperature is. Tell me what my air pressure is. If a mechanic can hook it up to some computer running Windows 95, an iPhone ought to be able to tell you how thick the coat of paint is and what kind of gas you're using. This sounds like the ultimate "way past due" device, even though I know people are saying others exist.

a0me
May 25, 2013, 01:12 AM
Me: "Siri - Increase turbo boost by 50%."


S.I.R.I.: "OK Michael."
http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/539/538117/thumb_620x2000/K.I.T.T._Turbo_Boost.jpg

AppleMark
May 25, 2013, 03:19 AM
Loving the fact you can clear the "check engine light" fault indicators on your dashboard with your iPhone....., just before you sell it on ;)

KiwiAdventure
May 25, 2013, 05:44 AM
Built for Amercia for those who need alarms in the car for seat belts, opened doors, car keys, lights left on and park brake. You are a bright lot in Amercia.:cool:

Not forgetting the police will use the information gathered against you if required.

Chupa Chupa
May 25, 2013, 06:32 AM
Built for Amercia for those who need alarms in the car for seat belts, opened doors, car keys, lights left on and park brake. You are a bright lot in Amercia.:cool:

Not forgetting the police will use the information gathered against you if required.

Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

CylonGlitch
May 25, 2013, 08:31 AM
Exactly, but this is magical and revolutionary. Until it's available, THIS (http://www.plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=GSSTWIFI) will have to suffice.(and it works AWESOME btw)

$107 plus every app that supports it is another $30 to $40.

The Automatic is $70 and includes their app. But not as detailed.

Gemütlichkeit
May 25, 2013, 08:33 AM
Uh.... OBD 2 Bluetooth adapters can be had for $15 on eBay. Those are only compatible with Android though. But even the GoLink (iPhone compatible) adapters are only $40-50 online.

I think you've answered your own question in this thread as to why this is such a big deal. :D

rdlink
May 25, 2013, 09:57 AM
Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

And an unnaturally intimate relationship with sheep... :D

Seriously, who in their right mind would criticize notifications that warn people to buckle their seatbelt, remove their keys from the car and turn off their lights? Although most of the newer cars just automatically turn the lights off for you...

Detrius
May 25, 2013, 10:09 AM
Exactly, but this is magical and revolutionary. Until it's available, THIS (http://www.plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=GSSTWIFI) will have to suffice.(and it works AWESOME btw)

But it connects via wifi, which means it kills your Internet connection, right?

osofast240sx
May 25, 2013, 10:51 AM
But it connects via wifi, which means it kills your Internet connection, right?
Read the article. It's a Bluetooth connection.

burne
May 25, 2013, 10:53 AM
The "check engine" light is a load of BS. The car knows exactly what's wrong with it but doesn't tell you!

Not once, never, did a single sensor reading give an accurate cause for the error.

Your server reports a high temperature on a sensor and a low rpm on the fan near the sensor. Is it a worn bearing? Has a cable slipped and it is dragging against the fan-blades? Flocks of dust interfering with the fan blades? Is there a dead mouse (http://www.nutz.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2008-11-20-18-28-15.jpg) inside your server?

If you look a lists of OBD-II codes, you'll quickly see that almost every code has a bunch of possible reasons. You'll need a guy with dirty hands and a bunch of experience to actually look and find the cause.

spacehog371
May 25, 2013, 11:59 AM
This sounds like ********.

I could understand a delay of a few weeks, but for them to announce a 3 month delay this close to when they were supposed to ship, seems like something other than "the app isn't quite ready yet."

canman4PM
May 25, 2013, 12:15 PM
Built for Amercia for those who need alarms in the car for seat belts, opened doors, car keys, lights left on and park brake. You are a bright lot in Amercia.:cool:

Not forgetting the police will use the information gathered against you if required.

They can do than now, accessing the same computer in the same way with their own plug in. Insurance companies have been doing it for years to determine fault in crashes and to determine if you were being a complete and total arse prior to impact.

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Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

Bazinga!

alent1234
May 25, 2013, 02:12 PM
Built for Amercia for those who need alarms in the car for seat belts, opened doors, car keys, lights left on and park brake. You are a bright lot in Amercia.:cool:

Not forgetting the police will use the information gathered against you if required.


no one wants to have kids with you, huh?

my wife undid the child safety door locks by accident one time and one of my kids started to open the car door while it was in motion. nice that my honda automatically tells me which door is open

Gemütlichkeit
May 25, 2013, 05:37 PM
Nowhere in the article does it state this is the first of it's kind. However it highlights how simple it is to use and looks like an apple product.

gertruded
May 25, 2013, 06:27 PM
The traffic ticket you get in the mail will say "our reader at mile post xx caught you in violation of............"

You have to be stupid to install such a device. 1984 is just a little late.

cricker
May 25, 2013, 06:28 PM
Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

HAHA trying to diss a NZer who's country's smart enough to realize that there are dumbass Americans that would spend $1000's of dollars to jump off high objects with just a rope connected to their ankles.

KiwiAdventure
May 25, 2013, 06:50 PM
HAHA trying to diss a NZer who's country's smart enough to realize that there are dumbass Americans that would spend $1000's of dollars to jump off high objects with just a rope connected to their ankles.

Thanks mate you can be an honorary Kiwi :)

MikeVarney
May 25, 2013, 08:12 PM
What's special is
#1 its cheaper than the others.
#2 the iPhone app is designed for regular people - ala my wife and kids.

I concur with OP. I bought a BlueTooth OBD II adapter for sub-$20 on Amazon, and use Torque on my Android phone for $5. Much cheaper than the $70 here, already supports the touted features such as multi-car, and very easy to use.

macs4nw
May 25, 2013, 09:13 PM
Oh great! Another way to distract drivers with gas mileage figures and such, while their undivided attention should be on the road in front of them.

It does have the potential for some other good uses, with various already mentioned caveats. A typical example of a possibly very useful product with an App that's obviously still evolving, as they think up more great uses. I see an Automatic Link ll on the horizon. Early adopters, go nuts!

dooplévey
May 25, 2013, 10:49 PM
Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

Hey, you're forgetting splitting the atom. Now that's quite an achievement!

Frazzle
May 26, 2013, 11:22 AM
It will also depend on the car. Here in EU, most VAG group cars (VW, Audi, etc.) only supply the basic stuff via the OBD-2 protocol (revs, temps, speed etc.) The detailed diagnostics about all onboard systems use a different protocol and need special hardware+software. Get ready to be disappointed.

derek4484
May 26, 2013, 03:19 PM
The Apple bluetooth stack doesnt support these data modes.

I bought an ELM327 OBD-II bluetooth adapter. Turns out it wont work on an iOS device. It works flawlessly on my Android tablet. I ended up having to jailbreak my phone and download an alternate bluetooth stack from Cydia to get it to work. Real PITA for something that should be easy. Apple still wont give us a comprehensive bluetooth stack because there's no money in it for them. It doesnt matter to them if its what us users want, if they cant monetize it, you dont get it. I really like my iphone 5, but I really hate Apple's condescending attitude towards us end users.

OldSchoolMacGuy
May 26, 2013, 04:49 PM
Pretty overpriced. I picked up a Bluetooth OBD-II dongle on Amazon for about $20 and it works with plenty of iPhone apps.

wackymacky
May 26, 2013, 07:02 PM
Right. This coming from someone in a country who's big contribution to the world is popularizing jumping off cliffs secured only by a giant rubber band. :D

I suppose that New Zealanders Ernest Rutherford (father of nuclear physics), Richard Pearse (first maned powered flight) and Maurice Wilkins (discoved DNA along side Watson and Crick) don't really count for much?

But you're right people shouldn't cast stones.

JoEw
May 26, 2013, 10:03 PM
The traffic ticket you get in the mail will say "our reader at mile post xx caught you in violation of............"

You have to be stupid to install such a device. 1984 is just a little late.

You do realize this tech has been in cars since 1996 right? All this is doing is displaying it on your phone. This changes nothing.

Your 1984 reference is not relevant.

hayesk
May 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
The traffic ticket you get in the mail will say "our reader at mile post xx caught you in violation of............"

You have to be stupid to install such a device. 1984 is just a little late.

I'll eat my hat if you can explain how a "reader" installed on the side of the road can pair with this Bluetooth device by itself, and get an accurate speed reading, and determine whose car the device is installed on, in the time it takes for the car to drive by.

Wouldn't a speed camera that already exist make much more sense?

Then there's your assertion that reading this device is more "1984" than a speed camera, cop in a speed trap, etc.

notjustjay
May 27, 2013, 11:11 AM
Read the article. It's a Bluetooth connection.

This device is a Bluetooth connection. I think the poster you quoted was asking about the existing OBD2-to-iPhone adaptors, they are all wifi based.

monkeybagel
May 27, 2013, 11:36 AM
And an unnaturally intimate relationship with sheep... :D

Seriously, who in their right mind would criticize notifications that warn people to buckle their seatbelt, remove their keys from the car and turn off their lights? Although most of the newer cars just automatically turn the lights off for you...

You can override the seatbelt reminder for my car using its diagnostic software.
The option is only there for pregnant women, and you must sign a release of liability form at the dealer if they do it. I have turned it off for a few days, and for those days I did forget my seatbelt a number of times until I got out on the road. I quickly turned it back on. Accidents come when you least expect them. No sense in taking chances. We have reminders in our Smartphone to remind us to do things. I think this is very similar in nature and is just as important.

Makosuke
May 27, 2013, 11:47 AM
I know OBD2-USB adapters are easy enough to buy (we used one at work to diagnose a hydrogen-conversion Prius), but the comparative ease of using this thing would seriously make me consider buying one. Mostly as a toy to look at sensor readouts, but I'm mechanically oriented enough that, depending on the error, it might save me having to take the car in for work.

"Your son has been in a car crash and help is on the way."

Nice way to freak out parents if it's some fender-bender that doesn't really hurt anyone. I'm hoping it's quite customizable.I would expect that the crash sensor wouldn't trigger unless the airbag(s) also deployed, in which case it it may not have been a major accident, but it was more than a minor fender-bender. Modern cars (some, anyway) also will refuse to start the engine if the crash sensor is tripped, to avoid a bad condition (if there's no coolant or, worse, something like a fuel leak), so you'll need a tow truck at minimum.

Built for Amercia for those who need alarms in the car for seat belts, opened doors, car keys, lights left on and park brake. You are a bright lot in Amercia.:cool: You know, there are a lot of stupid warning labels here in the US, but my car telling me that the rear door isn't quite closed or that I forgot the keys are in the ignition aren't on the list for me--those are both nice things to prevent minor, stupid mistakes (like my groceries falling out the back of the car when I stop at a light or locking myself out of my car).

I'm old enough to have owned a car that neither automatically turned the headlights off nor had a warning chime if you accidentally left them on, and since there's a dangerous corridor near where I live that's headlight-required, I remember fondly the day when I bought a car that would actually tell me I'd forgotten to turn them off before I killed the battery. Much nicer than that sad silence when you get in and turn the key.

abeg
May 27, 2013, 09:06 PM
I got a elm 327 wifi from ebay for about $20 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=elm+327&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC2&_nkw=elm+327+wifi&_sacat=0) and got Engine Link (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/engine-link-obd-ii-vehicle/id591557194?mt=8) for $5.99 From the itunes store. there are apps that range from free to around $70 on itunes.
works great with my iPhone. and data stills works when this is connected with wifi. can still stream music and have this app open while driving.

so this is nothing new, other companies have been offering this
http://www.lemurmonitors.com/BlueDriver.html
http://en.iobd2.cn/

to name a few.
if you want to use the BT elm327 you need android or a jail-broken iDevice

Zaqfalcon
May 27, 2013, 09:31 PM
I think most people are well aware that accelerating hard uses more fuel; I accelerate hard because it's fun! I don't need a Mother in Law app telling me off every 10 minutes thanks :D

ikir
May 28, 2013, 09:55 AM
The Apple bluetooth stack doesnt support these data modes.

I bought an ELM327 OBD-II bluetooth adapter. Turns out it wont work on an iOS device. It works flawlessly on my Android tablet. I ended up having to jailbreak my phone and download an alternate bluetooth stack from Cydia to get it to work. Real PITA for something that should be easy. Apple still wont give us a comprehensive bluetooth stack because there's no money in it for them. It doesnt matter to them if its what us users want, if they cant monetize it, you dont get it. I really like my iphone 5, but I really hate Apple's condescending attitude towards us end users.

Why not considering the option it is a lot of work with a low priority. It could be usefull for 0,5% os users. Much more strange that vanilla Android (Samsung and HTC make drivers for themself) support BT4.0 but no low energy profile making BT4.0 quite useless...

Apple support a lot of thing that are not (at least directly) profitable. it is easy to write things like you when you talk about big company.

SockRolid
May 28, 2013, 12:29 PM
S.I.R.I.: "OK Michael."
Image (http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/539/538117/thumb_620x2000/K.I.T.T._Turbo_Boost.jpg)

LOL. That's some serious boost!

msimpson
May 28, 2013, 01:36 PM
HAHA trying to diss a NZer who's country's smart enough to realize that there are dumbass Americans that would spend $1000's of dollars to jump off high objects with just a rope connected to their ankles.

You can diss the United States for our silly political correctness and nanny state "warnings", but yesterday was Memorial Day - a day we honor all of the Americans who gave their life for their country.

I hope you took time out to give thanks to those Americans who sacrificed for your freedom - so now you are a free country, not a Japanese territory.

TheAppleFairy
May 28, 2013, 02:22 PM
Pretty overpriced. I picked up a Bluetooth OBD-II dongle on Amazon for about $20 and it works with plenty of iPhone apps.

I picked of a Wifi version a while back, I purposely didn't get the bluetooth version because I know iOS is limited (unless jailbroken, or an approved device). I am jailbroken, but I wanted one that works regardless.

Yeah it's $70 for this version, but I like the integration with the app from what I can see.

OldSchoolMacGuy
May 28, 2013, 04:47 PM
I picked of a Wifi version a while back, I purposely didn't get the bluetooth version because I know iOS is limited (unless jailbroken, or an approved device). I am jailbroken, but I wanted one that works regardless.

Yeah it's $70 for this version, but I like the integration with the app from what I can see.

This app offers less than what your typical scanner can get. Plus you're now tied to a single app meaning should they choose to stop updating it, you've got a paper weight. As I said, I'm happy with my sub-$20 alternative that also allows tuning of the vehicle, etc.

Arfdog
May 28, 2013, 08:12 PM
I suppose that New Zealanders Ernest Rutherford (father of nuclear physics), Richard Pearse (first maned powered flight) and Maurice Wilkins (discoved DNA along side Watson and Crick) don't really count for much?

But you're right people shouldn't cast stones.

Didn't know that NZ has the market cornered on scientists? Or are you just naming 3 random kiwi scientists? Surely you're not bragging....

Do Oppenheimer, Hubble, and Noyce ring any bells?

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You can diss the United States for our silly political correctness and nanny state "warnings", but yesterday was Memorial Day - a day we honor all of the Americans who gave their life for their country.

I hope you took time out to give thanks to those Americans who sacrificed for your freedom - so now you are a free country, not a Japanese territory.

lol, damn that's just mean

otismotive77
May 28, 2013, 10:15 PM
wow, seems amazing. will be planning to buy one. the safety features are awesome.

TheAppleFairy
May 29, 2013, 07:29 AM
This app offers less than what your typical scanner can get. Plus you're now tied to a single app meaning should they choose to stop updating it, you've got a paper weight. As I said, I'm happy with my sub-$20 alternative that also allows tuning of the vehicle, etc.


That's a scary, plausible possibility of any item. I guess if Apple stops making iOS the money I spent in apps is wasted as well.

If this company does well, they might go on to do more over time as well. Add new features and maybe even new products.

Like I said, I already have a wifi version that suits my needs, but I do like some of the features and ease of this one.

Detrius
May 31, 2013, 06:20 AM
Read the article. It's a Bluetooth connection.

Read my comment. I was quoting someone praising a WiFi device.