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garirry
May 25, 2013, 09:13 AM
I thought earlier that I will buy an iBook G3 Clamshell in June this year. However, now I'm thinking should I waste money for an old, obsolete and maybe useless computer? Beside, I am planning to install Jaguar on this thing. Now, I think maybe to buy an iBook or Powerbook G4 so I could have a fast computer and so I could put Tiger or Leopard. What do you think I should buy?



Lil Chillbil
May 25, 2013, 10:04 AM
I thought earlier that I will buy an iBook G3 Clamshell in June this year. However, now I'm thinking should I waste money for an old, obsolete and maybe useless computer? Beside, I am planning to install Jaguar on this thing. Now, I think maybe to buy an iBook or Powerbook G4 so I could have a fast computer and so I could put Tiger or Leopard. What do you think I should buy?

If you get a clam get os 9 on that thing and not os x, I would recommend a 17 inch powerbook g4 1.67ghz and run either tiger or leopard on it, Not panther or jaguar.

garirry
May 25, 2013, 10:53 AM
I would not buy a 17 inch, since it's too big and it will not even fit in my computer case. So a 12 or 15 inch Aluminum with Leopard would be OK?

justperry
May 25, 2013, 11:02 AM
Get the PB 1.67 15", it's a great machine but be aware to test the RAM on it, some PB do have the lower slot RAM problem.
The latest high res model is the best one.

(Powerbook 5.8 15" double layer sd)

garirry
May 25, 2013, 11:03 AM
Get the PB 1.67 15", it's a great machine but be aware to test the RAM on it, some PB do have the lower slot RAM problem.
The latest high res model is the best one.

Thanks, I'll search for one soon.

skateny
May 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Either a PowerBook or iBook. Stay away from the G3.

garirry
May 25, 2013, 12:50 PM
Either a PowerBook or iBook. Stay away from the G3.

Good idea.

tom vilsack
May 25, 2013, 01:32 PM
Get the PB 1.67 15", it's a great machine but be aware to test the RAM on it, some PB do have the lower slot RAM problem.
The latest high res model is the best one.


second this...(check both ram slots)...the powerbook with a least a couple gigs of ram and leopard could even be used for daily use...

garirry
May 25, 2013, 01:51 PM
second this...(check both ram slots)...the powerbook with a least a couple gigs of ram and leopard could even be used for daily use...

How can I CHECK the RAM slots?

666sheep
May 25, 2013, 04:20 PM
Screenshot from ASP with both slots populated would be kind of a proof.

garirry
May 25, 2013, 04:22 PM
Screenshot from ASP with both slots populated would be kind of a proof.

I don't understand what you mean...

666sheep
May 25, 2013, 04:29 PM
I don't understand what you mean...

This, but in PB slots will be named J25UPPER and J25LOWER:

https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-15596212-17332/450-221/Screen+shot+2011-07-11+at+8.00.53+AM.png

garirry
May 25, 2013, 04:33 PM
This, but in PB slots will be named J25UPPER and J25LOWER:

Image (https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-15596212-17332/450-221/Screen+shot+2011-07-11+at+8.00.53+AM.png)

OK, but what do I need to check with the RAM? What's the RAM problem that Justperry said to me?

666sheep
May 25, 2013, 04:40 PM
Perry meant this: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10328170-263.html

If RAM is recognized in lower slot (or both) you don't need to worry.

DaKKs
May 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
I recently bought a 15 inch Powerbook G4 (1.67) and I've yet to stop singing its praises. Nine years old and it still has what it takes.

Of course, you shouldn't expect 2013 speeds from it, but mine runs splendidly for basic work and some entertainment. I run DS CS4, Aperture 2, FCP 5 and MSO2008 on mine, and believe it or not, it runs quite well for its age. However it is equipped with 2gb ram and the fastest spinner on the market so dont expect the same from stock config.

My only complaint is that it does not play 720p. Otherwise, I might as well use the PB instead of my hackintoshed Lenovo.

I wonder how MintPPC would run on this thing. It sped up my Pismo enough to be usable, albeit for a patient user.

garirry
May 25, 2013, 05:27 PM
So, I will start searching for 12 and 15 inch PBG4 so I will finally have my first Mac portable. By the way, if I upgrade to 1.5 GB of RAM to my iMac and install Leopard on it, is that a good idea?

DaKKs
May 26, 2013, 06:10 AM
So, I will start searching for 12 and 15 inch PBG4 so I will finally have my first Mac portable. By the way, if I upgrade to 1.5 GB of RAM to my iMac and install Leopard on it, is that a good idea?

Which imac is it? IMHO, Leopard is unusable on anything below 1.25GHZ G4. Of course, it also requires a QE/CI compatible GPU.

That said, I've used leopard with 1GB ram and its not terrible. Wouldn't call it snappy, though.

garirry
May 26, 2013, 06:41 AM
Which imac is it? IMHO, Leopard is unusable on anything below 1.25GHZ G4. Of course, it also requires a QE/CI compatible GPU.

That said, I've used leopard with 1GB ram and its not terrible. Wouldn't call it snappy, though.

FAKE: Leopard requires 867MHZ G4. I have the latest iMac 1.25GHZ 17" with USB 2.0. It currently have 512 MB of RAM, but since Tiger is slow with that, I think upgrading to 1.5 GB will make my computer faster, even with Leopard.

Bug-Creator
May 26, 2013, 07:15 AM
I run OSX-leopard on a 1.33GHz/1.5GB iBook (well mostly I run a completly different OS that doesn't matter here) and it's o.k.

Your iMac would have a slighly slower CPU and a better GPU so you should be o.k.


Bout buying a PowerBook, the 2nd RAM-slot issue is only present in the older "lowres" 1.67GHz 15", if you buy the "highres" (1440x900) model you should be o.k.

garirry
May 26, 2013, 07:20 AM
I run OSX-leopard on a 1.33GHz/1.5GB iBook (well mostly I run a completly different OS that doesn't matter here) and it's o.k.

Your iMac would have a slighly slower CPU and a better GPU so you should be o.k.


Bout buying a PowerBook, the 2nd RAM-slot issue is only present in the older "lowres" 1.67GHz 15", if you buy the "highres" (1440x900) model you should be o.k.

The highres model, as I think you mean it, it's only available in 17". Only the 1.67GHz 15" model has 1440x960. Maybe it has nothing to do with screen resolutions, but I will not buy an 17" PBG4.

ihuman:D
May 26, 2013, 07:25 AM
The highres model, as I think you mean it, it's only available in 17". Only the 1.67GHz 15" model has 1440x960. Maybe it has nothing to do with screen resolutions, but I will not buy an 17" PBG4.

No, the last models of 15" and 17" Powerbooks, released on October 19 2005, are the Hi-Res models.

justperry
May 26, 2013, 07:28 AM
No, the last models of 15" and 17" Powerbooks, released on October 19 2005, are the Hi-Res models.

This is true!

Bug-Creator
May 26, 2013, 07:33 AM
The 15" HighRes (PowerBook5.8) is indeed 1440x960, the 17" (5.9) has 1680x1050.

Older 17" (5.7 5.5 ...) had 1440x900 (hence my slight confusion) while older 15" (5.6 5.4 ...) only did 1280x854.

What you really want to want is a PowerBook 5.8 aka A1138

garirry
May 26, 2013, 07:36 AM
The 15" HighRes (PowerBook5.8) is indeed 1440x960, the 17" (5.9) has 1680x1050.

Older 17" (5.7 5.5 ...) had 1440x900 (hence my slight confusion) while older 15" (5.6 5.4 ...) only did 1280x854.

What you really want to want is a PowerBook 5.8 aka A1138

If I would be lucky. Basically, instead of searching on eBay, I prefer posting an ad, and everyone who wants to sell an PBG4 will send me a message. How about 50$ for an 12" and 60$ for an 15"? Is that good prices?

Bug-Creator
May 26, 2013, 07:44 AM
Is that canadian $ ?? That would be only 37/45Euro :eek:

For that kind of money I wouldn't expect anything but older models who had beaten most of their lives out of them :p

justperry
May 26, 2013, 07:51 AM
If I would be lucky. Basically, instead of searching on eBay, I prefer posting an ad, and everyone who wants to sell an PBG4 will send me a message. How about 50$ for an 12" and 60$ for an 15"? Is that good prices?

No way you get it for that kind of money, more like $120-150 or more.

garirry
May 26, 2013, 08:02 AM
Is that canadian $ ?? That would be only 37/45Euro :eek:

For that kind of money I wouldn't expect anything but older models who had beaten most of their lives out of them :p

How about 60$ for a 12", 70$ for a 15" and 80$ for an 15" 1.67GHz?

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No way you get it for that kind of money, more like $120-150 or more.

I brought my iMac G4 1.25GHz USB 2.0 17" for 90$.

DaKKs
May 26, 2013, 08:16 AM
How about 60$ for a 12", 70$ for a 15" and 80$ for an 15" 1.67GHz?

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I brought my iMac G4 1.25GHz USB 2.0 17" for 90$.

Friend, come back to earth. You're not getting anything but a abused shell with bad parts for those amounts. 100-200 USD is more reasonable. Thats with US prices, which are quite a bit lower than anywhere else. Here in Sweden, 220-280 USD is the norm.

FAKE: Leopard requires 867MHZ G4.

Jesus Christ on a bicycle. "Requires" and being "usable" is two completely different things. Try Leopard on a 867mhz G4, and not a DP. Use it for a week, I dare you.

I have the latest iMac 1.25GHZ 17" with USB 2.0. It currently have 512 MB of RAM, but since Tiger is slow with that, I think upgrading to 1.5 GB will make my computer faster, even with Leopard.

It will make it faster, very much so in fact. 512mb might've been ok in 2005, but not today.

garirry
May 26, 2013, 08:38 AM
Friend, come back to earth. You're not getting anything but a abused shell with bad parts for those amounts. 100-200 USD is more reasonable. Thats with US prices, which are quite a bit lower than anywhere else. Here in Sweden, 220-280 USD is the norm.



Jesus Christ on a bicycle. "Requires" and being "usable" is two completely different things. Try Leopard on a 867mhz G4, and not a DP. Use it for a week, I dare you.



It will make it faster, very much so in fact. 512mb might've been ok in 2005, but not today.

OK, but if I can buy an great iMac for only 90$, then why couldn't I buy an great Powerbook for 80$? Or, 100$ for an 15" Powerbook, if you prefer.

zackkmac
May 26, 2013, 10:44 AM
It can happen, but it takes a lot of patience and waiting for someone that doesn't know the current resell value of it to sell one.

For example:

I bought a white MacBook Core 2 Duo late last year for $150 and it was in great condition, so just keep your eyes open.

My dad bought his 15" non-high res 1.67GHz 15" PB for $123 total which included having to get a new battery. It has a ding on the palm rest and a couple of spots on the screen.

I bought my 15" hi-res 1.67GHz for $150 by doing a Best Offer deal with the seller on eBay, and at the time they had plenty more. At this time they do not, but mine is absolutely flawless and it was a great deal.

garirry
May 26, 2013, 10:58 AM
It can happen, but it takes a lot of patience and waiting for someone that doesn't know the current resell value of it to sell one.

For example:

I bought a white MacBook Core 2 Duo late last year for $150 and it was in great condition, so just keep your eyes open.

My dad bought his 15" non-high res 1.67GHz 15" PB for $123 total which included having to get a new battery. It has a ding on the palm rest and a couple of spots on the screen.

I bought my 15" hi-res 1.67GHz for $150 by doing a Best Offer deal with the seller on eBay, and at the time they had plenty more. At this time they do not, but mine is absolutely flawless and it was a great deal.

Excactly, I had to wait a long time before getting my iMac G4. Plus, the PSU was dead, so I spend 30$ to buy a new one.

Lil Chillbil
May 26, 2013, 12:50 PM
Excactly, I had to wait a long time before getting my iMac G4. Plus, the PSU was dead, so I spend 30$ to buy a new one.

If you looking for something good for your price and all you care about is the mac os then why not buy a intel based netbook and I could help you get snow leopard on it.


but if you actually care about the "mac" experience then I would just suggest saving your money until you can afford a hi-res powerbook with max ram and an an ssd. or if you don't need to be portable how about a nice g5 quad for your heavy rendering

garirry
May 26, 2013, 01:11 PM
If you looking for something good for your price and all you care about is the mac os then why not buy a intel based netbook and I could help you get snow leopard on it.


but if you actually care about the "mac" experience then I would just suggest saving your money until you can afford a hi-res powerbook with max ram and an an ssd. or if you don't need to be portable how about a nice g5 quad for your heavy rendering

Since my "normal" PC is dead, I am going to save for an iMac 21.5 inch. But I need a cheap Mac laptop so I could write whatever where I am. So a Powerbook is just right for me.