Mac OS X 10.4.3 Released

[picklescott]

I still need suggestions for my problem posted on the last page. I'm gonna sit down and have at it this evening and I need more suggestions please!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=1877125&postcount=735


The best thing you could do at this point is find another mac to connect it to. You want to boot yours in firewire target disk mode (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58583) and then you should be able to copy your files off (unless the directory is really screwed up).

If you can't do this, you have a few more options for trying to restore your computer before doing an archive and install. You can try booting in safe mode (hold SHIFT) (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107392) after pressing the power button and hold SHIFT until the circle starts going around under the apple on the gray boot screen. Booting in safe mode may take significantly longer than a normal boot.

If that doesn't work, you *might* be able to repair the directory, though it is unlikely.
You're going to need to use a CD. It is either a black "Tiger 10.4" disc or a gray disc that came with your computer. After pressing the power button, hold C. This should boot from the disc. If it does not, hold OPTION and then select the disc to boot from it. Once booted from the disc, chose English (or whatever) and select the "Utilities" menu. Chose "Disk Utility." Select the "Macintosh HD" or whatever drive isn't booting and "Repair Disk."

[If you don't have the cd...
After pressing the power button, hold Apple(Command) and S. This will boot into a black command prompt screen (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214). You want to type (without the quotes) "fsck -fy" at the command prompt, and it will attempt to force-repair your directory.]



That's all I can think of... good luck, and post back!

[efoto]

I wasn't aware of this issue last week while playing with my new 12" iBook with 1.5 GB RAM. I was having speed issues with the occasional non-responsive airport that required a reboot to fix. I "solved" this issue by going to BestBuy and purchasing a higher gain antenna for my wireless router. Since then I haven't had any airport issues although I've only connected via airport at home where I have the higher gain antenna.

Now I'm really pissed off! I was going to call shinanigans on the 1.5GB of RAM but then I checked Apple and sure enough, 512MB built in (still soldered, but at least 512). Where the hell was the design-tech on the 12" PBook? :mad: Seems like an obvious move, glad they finally did it....even if it wasn't to my product.

[Aliquis]

The sizes could be because it has various security updates as well (the previous ones) so anyone who's been current with the updates, should have the smaller download size.

[muzikool]

That's all I can think of... good luck, and post back!

Thanks for all of the suggestions! I found most of those looking through various websites, but it's good to have them repeated here. :D

One question: If I were to install a new hard drive and load OS X on it, should I be able to browse my current HD to retrieve the files?

[picklescott]

If you click your computer's "name" at the login window, it used to display Version number, Serial Number, Build Number, and Date. Now it also displays IP Address and "Network Account Unavailable" or "Network Accounts Available."

Interesting... Network users aren't available for the majority of mac users... unless.... .... (start rumors of home-network accounts without 'server')...

[Aliquis]

Also, to the guy who reported it feeling snappier, but also hadn't rebooted his compy in weeks...

Your compy should always feel a little snappier after rebooting for that long. By rebooting, you'll clean out certain hold-overs like latent caches, etc. that sometimes stick despite daily, weekly, and monthly maintenance cron jobs.
Not to mention swap files that are being stubbornly sticky.


So -- you can try rebooting anytime you feel your machine is limping a bit. Especially if your hard drive is close to capacity. (you should only run your HD up to 80% of it's capacity if you want to keep it's performance running smoothest)

Shutting down and booting up fresh also is different (and has different advantages) than simply restarting... but both work very well.

[picklescott]

Thanks for all of the suggestions! I found most of those looking through various websites, but it's good to have them repeated here. :D

One question: If I were to install a new hard drive and load OS X on it, should I be able to browse my current HD to retrieve the files?

Theoretically... if you can get it to mount in disk utility when you boot from your CD, and/or you can get it to mount when you do Firewire Target Mode, then it *should* show up if you booted from an external drive.


-Scott

[johncarync]

I have a PowerMac G5 Dual 2GHz machine and am experiencing the revving fan problem. About every 5 minutes or so it will rev up and down, up and down, and then behave itself.

The upgrade also wiped my entire address book clean...225 entries gone! I was able to pull a copy off of my iPod and recreate it but it was a hassle.

Today I had a strange issue with copying and pasting between applications. It caused a cascading application freeze and force quitting would not work. I had to physically hold the power button down to shut the machine off.

On the plus side...um...hmmm...what were the plusses of upgrading again? :confused:

-John :)

[MatthewCobb]

I just noticed - the brightness control keys on my PB work again!

I thought they got knackered when I spilt a glass of wine over the machine and the screen went wiggy for a few days (turned the machine on its side and let the Medoc drip out, and that was sorted). But it must have been the 10.4.2 upgrade.

Way back someone mentioned there was a 10.4.3-compatible update for TransparentDock. Where?

[bousozoku]

Also, to the guy who reported it feeling snappier, but also hadn't rebooted his compy in weeks...

Your compy should always feel a little snappier after rebooting for that long. By rebooting, you'll clean out certain hold-overs like latent caches, etc. that sometimes stick despite daily, weekly, and monthly maintenance cron jobs.
Not to mention swap files that are being stubbornly sticky.


So -- you can try rebooting anytime you feel your machine is limping a bit. Especially if your hard drive is close to capacity. (you should only run your HD up to 80% of it's capacity if you want to keep it's performance running smoothest)

Shutting down and booting up fresh also is different (and has different advantages) than simply restarting... but both work very well.

Of course, a properly-functioning, well-run, bug-free (or minimally buggy) system shouldn't feel any snappier after a re-boot since it's always operating at peak efficiency. :)

I'm quite pleased with 10.4.3 and with the latest Airport update, I suspect it's going to be quite stable for a long time.

[usingautumn]

safari still crashes on opening, any ideas?

and since moving to tiger my usb phone crashes the system when plugged in and this is still the case in 10.4.3

[mooshoo]

I haven't got the update...but this happens to me. I have to force quit....
1.42 ghz 14" iBook that I bought last month...

I deleted the preference file for Safari and rebooted the app. It seems to have solved the problem for now. Spotlight it and reveal in finder to get it.

[generik]

Strange.. I just noticed the patch broke my Safari :(

[briand05]

This seems to be a great update so far. I haven't had any problems, and they've fixed the few bugs that I noticed.

[slooksterPSV]

IF you guys continue on having problems, try downloading and installing the Combo update. This may fix things a bit better than the Software Update.

IF you guys continue on having problems, try downloading and installing the Combo update. This may fix things a bit better than the Software Update.


IF you guys continue on having problems, try downloading and installing the Combo update. This may fix things a bit better than the Software Update.

Got it? lol ok!

[iriejedi]

Strange.. I just noticed the patch broke my Safari :(


When does 10.4.3.1 come out?

:p

[muzikool]

Help! I successfully booted into Safe Mode just now and I don't know what's best to do next. My system says it is still at 10.4.2 even though I tried installing the update previously. I first booted to the OS X Tiger disk and repaired the disk and permissions -- not much was wrong. I've got the Delta installer package on my desktop... should I try installing it again from Safe Mode? Should I try rebooting to normal startup now? Help! :D


The best thing you could do at this point is find another mac to connect it to. You want to boot yours in firewire target disk mode (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58583) and then you should be able to copy your files off (unless the directory is really screwed up).

If you can't do this, you have a few more options for trying to restore your computer before doing an archive and install. You can try booting in safe mode (hold SHIFT) (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107392) after pressing the power button and hold SHIFT until the circle starts going around under the apple on the gray boot screen. Booting in safe mode may take significantly longer than a normal boot.

If that doesn't work, you *might* be able to repair the directory, though it is unlikely.
You're going to need to use a CD. It is either a black "Tiger 10.4" disc or a gray disc that came with your computer. After pressing the power button, hold C. This should boot from the disc. If it does not, hold OPTION and then select the disc to boot from it. Once booted from the disc, chose English (or whatever) and select the "Utilities" menu. Chose "Disk Utility." Select the "Macintosh HD" or whatever drive isn't booting and "Repair Disk."

[If you don't have the cd...
After pressing the power button, hold Apple(Command) and S. This will boot into a black command prompt screen (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214). You want to type (without the quotes) "fsck -fy" at the command prompt, and it will attempt to force-repair your directory.]



That's all I can think of... good luck, and post back!

[mkjellman]

well just another example of what does happen when you change your monitor configuration and leave Microsoft word open. Relaunching will fix this. I don't know who the blame lies with, either Apple or Microsoft but for anyone with two displays and a laptop, and uses Office, this is a very annoying bug.

[neverni]

I have a problem with Itunes 6.0.1. It doesn't let me add songs to the library anymore. It adds half of the album for example, but the rest it won't. I would love to go back to the previous version 6.0, but I can't find it. Anyone has a download link?

[iMeowbot]

I've found that on some drives, the Spotlight database seems to be out of whack. It's not every drive or every system. The symptom is that the Spotlight results look correct, but looking more closely the paths point to the wrong files. Dragging drives into the privacy panel, then removing to reindex, puts things back to normal (after an eternity of disk crunching).

[caccamolle]

I'm sure all this stuff about repairing permissions is mostly nonsense. I've never read a forum or article that proves repairing them makes any difference to anything.

I did however remember reading a looong article on why repairing permissions hardly makes any difference :P

Seriously though, i'd be interested in reading up a little more about it and knowing of any examples of situations where it's helped.


you got it. It is funny how people out there still think repairing permission is of any relevance with sofware updates.

[aprilfools]

I did the 10.4.3 update yesterday on my iMac G5 rev B. I had no problems. I also did the airport update right now. no prob with that either however........ an unusually long start up after the restart. I do wonder why Apple could not have inluded this in the 10.4.3 update unless the 10.4.3 update did infact screw things up for alot of Tiger users. I bet most probs are because lots of you have extra stuff in your macs. Extra stuff that you like but that you don't really need. Hey I'm all for third party development but most of that crap does more damage than good in your computer. You have lots of it in your computer and than complain when Apple OS gets updated and than you blame it on Apple. Lets face it. You don't really need all that extra third party crap you keep downloading because you think it makes your computer work better. I am right and you know it.

The biggest joke is those of you that don't actually own the brand new iMac (iSight) but figure how to get a hold of Photobooth or Front Row. But.... but.....wait...... than you discover they don't work too good in your Mac. ??what? Hello?? Anybody home?? Apple doesn't support that on any Mac but the new iMac at this time. You should know that. Hello? Anybody home? Stop downloading all the third party crap and stop blamming Apple when things go wrong with your computer when Apple releases OS updates.

[LawHog]

I've never had any complaints with OSX, but i've had two solid freezes that required two hard reboots in only two days of 10.4.3.

Edit: now up to 5 hard reboots in 3 days.

[Jerry1726]

I did the automatic software update, the big one, long reboot, repaired permissions, and thought, "Hey, this is nice, Finder is faster, Safari is faster, but AcidSearch is not compatible." Soon I saw an update for AcidSearch posted (thank you). Not long after that I decided to trash some stuff. I found the problem with OnyX eventually, went through the song and dance with the AppleScript errors . . . maybe I should have just done a force quit on the bloody thing. I didn't though and let it execute routine maintenance, pushing through the error boxes. Big mistake, got my problems then, Safari turned into a dog, some folders changed places, and some even disappearing. While I still had some of my hair left I went to the Apple site, downloaded 10.4.3, installed it, and in the process overwriting the previously installed update. It worked like a charm, folders back, in place, and all seems better than 10.4.2. Yes, everything is "snappier." Some of my widgets stopped working but I am not letting that bother me, I needed to weed the bunch anyway. I was happy with the update, I wasn't happy with it, and now I am happy with it.

[abstractreality]

Everything was going ok, I waited a few days to download the update, and I finally downloaded it via the software update (the 56MB one or whatever) and upon nearly completing the update, it said it could not finish updating and closed software update. However, prior to me restarting my computer, I checked my about my mac, and it said 10.4.3 was installed, I was never prompted to install, but I did anyway, I did it twice as some people suggested, and when I tried to do the software update again to see if anything would pop up, my software update crashed on me. I then tried installing the combo update by downloading it from apple, however my installer also crashed, I really rather not wipe my drive and start from installing the tiger disc. Currently I cannot use my software update, nor can I use my installer, I'm sure there may be other problems too, but I haven't found them yet. In addition I also repaired permissions on my HD, and it still is working funny. Please help me out, I want my computer working as well as most people say it is, thank you.

[aprilfools]

Well... I'm not really sure what acid search is and why everyone seems to think it's so important. I don't have any problems finding websites with Safari. you shouldn't either. I can't believe everyone's needs are so unique that acid search is that important.

I did the automatic software update, the big one, long reboot, repaired permissions, and thought, "Hey, this is nice, Finder is faster, Safari is faster, but AcidSearch is not compatible." Soon I saw an update for AcidSearch posted (thank you). Not long after that I decided to trash some stuff. I found the problem with OnyX eventually, went through the song and dance with the AppleScript errors . . . maybe I should have just done a force quit on the bloody thing. I didn't though and let it execute routine maintenance, pushing through the error boxes. Big mistake, got my problems then, Safari turned into a dog, some folders changed places, and some even disappearing. While I still had some of my hair left I went to the Apple site, downloaded 10.4.3, installed it, and in the process overwriting the previously installed update. It worked like a charm, folders back, in place, and all seems better than 10.4.2. Yes, everything is "snappier." Some of my widgets stopped working but I am not letting that bother me, I needed to weed the bunch anyway. I was happy with the update, I wasn't happy with it, and now I am happy with it.

[Jerry1726]

I don't have any problems finding websites-AcidSearch just turns the single Google search box into a multi-search engine, and you can direct searches to specific web sites from the Google box in your Safari toolbar. It does more-find out. If you have no trouble finding websites then find that one and learn more.

[EricNau]

Sorry if this is a repeat of what someone already said, I'm sorry.
BUT WHATEVER YOU DO NOT INSTALL THIS UPDATE!
I put it on one of my iMacs, works just fine.
Tried putting it on another, nearly identical iMac, and now it doesn't startup. I never get past the grey apple startup screen, I've let it sit there for over 10 minutes, it just isn't going to do anything. The fan is also really loud and fast.
I called up my Apple Store and the lady that answered the phone had heard of such problems that only affect certain systems.
WAIT A WEEK OR SO TO DOWNLOAD THIS!
Any thoughts on how to fix this?

[kretzy]

Were you talking about the Hp color laserjet 1500? Because i had problems with that printer and the update didn't fixed it for me...

Yeah that's the printer I was talking about. After updating, I just plugged it in and it worked. Have you got the most recent drivers from the HP website? If that doesn't help, I'm not sure what else you can do...

[Loke]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

[infectbda]

The new update kicks a$$ as far as I'm concerned. Fixed a strange problem I was having where Spotlight would just stop indexing new files. Everything for me seems "snappier" or "faster" or whatever also.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this yet, but I noticed one other really awesome difference. On my Rev B iMac G5, it would refuse to switch from my headphones to the internal speakers when I pulled the plug out, or it would take a ridiculous amount of time (like several seconds). Now, it seems to be almost instantaneously, and I haven't had any problems with it.

[devman]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

sensationalist and poorly reasoned.

[frenetic]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

Ok let's take a look at this:
- Disk utility: I haven't experienced it but if other people do this is indeed a problem.
- increased fan rev: idem
- motion sensor: idem
- bluetooth:if the bluetooth icon dispappears from the menu bar you just add it again. Has happened a million times to me, in 10.2, 10.3, and the last time it happened to me was in 10.4.2. You just add it again, for christ's sake.
- problem with wake from sleep: that is a problem indeed.
- 3rd party plug ins is the problem of the 3rd party plug ins developer, not Mac OSX. That is why developers get seeds, remember?
- Citrix: idem
- Adobe: idem
- Toast: idem
- Intro-video reappearing: my life will never be the same again after having seen the tiger video TWICE... As Captain Kurtz would say: "The horror... the horror..."
- Keychain issue: don't have this, but happened a LOT to me in 10.3.
- Onyx: again, that is the task of the Onyx developer... and the patch is already out FYI

Of all the "grave" things you have posted, 4 are valid ones, all the rest is just minor annoyances that are solved after a first run or when the developers release a patch. Aren't we a bit overexaggerating here?

I am quite happy with this update, Tiger feels as solid as Panther used to feel, although it is not perfect and probably never will be. But calling it "so many problems that I don't know where to start" is just computational hyperventilation.

[Loke]

- bluetooth:if the bluetooth icon dispappears from the menu bar you just add it again. Has happened a million times to me, in 10.2, 10.3, and the last time it happened to me was in 10.4.2. You just add it again, for christ's sake.


The bluetooth card has also failed to be detected altogether for some people, its not just the annoyance of the bluetooth icon.


- 3rd party plug ins is the problem of the 3rd party plug ins developer, not Mac OSX. That is why developers get seeds, remember?
- Citrix: idem
- Adobe: idem
- Toast: idem
- Onyx: again, that is the task of the Onyx developer... and the patch is already out FYI


Except that this is a minor update, not a major one. Its not like they had an ABI change. Dont try to make this issue minor than it is. For any business, a minor OS update breaking 3rd party applications is UNACCEPTABLE.


Aren't we a bit overexaggerating here?


Yes, and you know that keyboard issue Apple "supposedly" fixed from the release notes? Guess they didnt fixed it after all, because ALT+TAB still write error messages to widowserver.log.

[frenetic]

The bluetooth card has also failed to be detected altogether for some people, its not just the annoyance of the bluetooth icon.



Except that this is a minor update, not a major one. Its not like they had an ABI change. Dont try to make this issue minor than it is. For any business, a minor OS update breaking 3rd party applications is UNACCEPTABLE.



Yes, and you know that keyboard issue Apple "supposedly" fixed from the release notes? Guess they didnt fixed it after all, because ALT+TAB still write error messages to widowserver.log.

Bluetooth: Ok, that makes five issues that I consider "issues", although Macfixit reports that in some cases you can solve it by desactivating and then activating bluetooth again in the system preferences.

Re: minor updates breaking 3rd party: it's a long time ago that I worked on Windows but I remember service packs breaking apps as well. Of course I would prefer everything to work perfectly, but both OnyX as well as Pith Helmet were updated within 48 hours of the release of 10.4.3. BTW, Pith Helmet only didn't load as a safety measure, technically it didn't break anything.

Just tried the alt tab thing and no error message in windowserver.log

Sorry I reacted a bit harsh but your post sounded as if 10.4.3 broke the whole OS, and all the things you mention a. only happen on particular configurations and are not the experience of the majority of mac users, and b. you make it sound as if 10.4.3 was rushed out with major issues in there, which it is not. Remember when they released Panther and it erased firewire HD's (where people had backed up their data): THAT is a major issue, as well as the fact that they still haven't solved the lock-up issues people are experiencing with 1.8 Ghz G5's... (not writing one one of them, BTW, but I understand people are upset about it). The things you mentioned are annoying glitches, perhaps minor issues, but no major issues.

[nborders]

I don't see much change on the surface. That is a good thing.

~n

[dr_lha]

Just to counter all the negativity on this thread. I installed 10.4.3 on 4 machines so far: A 1Ghz 12" PB, 1.33Gb 12" iBook, a 1.8GHz DP G5 and a 2.0Ghz DP G5. All machines are working fine.

In the case of the 12" PB its like I got a new machine. 10.4.2 was all about spinny beach balls and 55C+ CPU temperatures. Under 10.4.3 I'm down to 50C+ CPU temps (so less fan) and everything is much more responsive. Spotlight is now amazingly fast compared to 10.4.2 as well.

All of these machines apart from the 2.0Ghz G5 have bluetooth, with no issues. The laptops both have wifi, no issues. Everything is hunky dory. IMHO, 10.4.3 is one of the best updates I've seen.

Only issue I saw was Onyx broke with the Applescript error, but they already released a fix.

[Noiseboy]

Just to counter all the negativity on this thread. I installed 10.4.3 on 4 machines so far: A 1Ghz 12" PB, 1.33Gb 12" iBook, a 1.8GHz DP G5 and a 2.0Ghz DP G5. All machines are working fine.

In the case of the 12" PB its like I got a new machine. 10.4.2 was all about spinny beach balls and 55C+ CPU temperatures. Under 10.4.3 I'm down to 50C+ CPU temps (so less fan) and everything is much more responsive. Spotlight is now amazingly fast compared to 10.4.2 as well.

All of these machines apart from the 2.0Ghz G5 have bluetooth, with no issues. The laptops both have wifi, no issues. Everything is hunky dory. IMHO, 10.4.3 is one of the best updates I've seen.

Only issue I saw was Onyx broke with the Applescript error, but they already released a fix.

Yes, I too am having no problems with this update and have also noticed that CPU temperature is markedly lower than before, as much as 5 centigrade degrees lower, and as such the fan has barely come on at all.
I had the Safari crash while looking at the Nokia link and thought it must be related but then within moments everybody else was saying it crashes too and you can stop it by updating Flash so not the update at all.
I haven't noticed any great speed bumps, nothing seems noticeably faster to me but then 10.4.2 was running pretty well to start with.

[mygoldens]

Had to return my first PB high res for network lockups. The second one, bought from the Apple store with Procare, is flying high. I applied all the updates everyone is complaining about and not a problem. I did not even fix permissions. I went on to install all my software and no problems. I think this update makes OSX fly, I have more speed on the Powerbook than ever before.

I just thought I would throw my .02 in.

[MatthewCobb]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

[devman]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

You could use Adobe Acrobat reader and its plugin instead of preview in Safari. Or you could option-click on the pdf link which will do a download rather than try and load the link in your Safari main window.

[frenetic]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

Bizarre, because on mine it works perfectly. If I right click a page containing a pdf it gives me the option "open with preview"... No mighty mouse here but a regular Logitech one, on Safari 2.0.1

[MatthewCobb]

Or you could option-click on the pdf link which will do a download rather than try and load the link in your Safari main window.

Nope, I just get a Micky Mouse finger which won't let me do anything else except open the file in a Safari PDF-read window. Why did they get rid of the Open in Preview option? Competition issues (should also have had Acrobat etc etc)???

If I right click a page containing a pdf it gives me the option "open with preview"... No mighty mouse here but a regular Logitech one, on Safari 2.0.1

That's the point - that doesn't work in [my] 2.0.2... It was fine in 2.0.1

EDIT: Belay much of the above - everything is fine on the PB at home, so I presume it is a local thing on my computer (like many of the complaints, I reckon). However, I still wonder why they got rid of the Open in Preview option. Anyone know?

[davincitek]

Does anybody here have an ibook or powerbook with over 1 GB of RAM? I wonder if this update takes care of the Airport issues.

haven't had a freeze up or airport drop since installing

[frenetic]

That's the point - that doesn't work in [my] 2.0.2... It was fine in 2.0.1

Didn't they update the mighty mouse drivers as well? Perhaps there is something wrong with them? Perhas try a different mouse to see whether it persists?

[faintember]

Installed 10.4.3 a few days ago and thought I would report my findings:

Safari crashes more frequently for me
Max/MSP crashes for NO reason occasionally (never happened under 10.4.2)

Overall, i am a bit peeved, but hopefully it will smooth itself out. :(

[yojitani]

Got to agree with a number of posters, 10.4.3 is a pain. Most of the problems. it's true aren't major, but still I like to think of an upgrade as an improvement. My biggest issue is my fans revving every 30 mins or so. back to the 10.3.8 problem again! I guess I'll have to set my processor to 'highest.' And also getting a longer beach ball to access my second drive.

I gave up on Safari a long time ago, but am not surprized it's getting worse. I think apple should give the skin to Mozilla and move over personally ...

Bad job apple....:(

YOJ

[200paul]

I used to be able to put in a number and say "minus" 20 then "percent" and then "equals" and it would take give me the result. It now changes any number into a 10th when I hit the percent subtracts those and gives me a result. For example 100 - 20% = 98.8

[Laser47]

Just recently i noticed that the minimize button for finder windows are greyed out, is this normal?

[300ZX]

not a single issue with 10.4.3

It is running FANTABULOUS as always...so well, in fact, that I sold my AMD64 machine towards the purchase of a new iMac G5!

(14 inch iBook G4 late 2004)

[Loke]

Just recently i noticed that the minimize button for finder windows are greyed out, is this normal?

No, this is a bug with 10.4.3, and can happen to any window. Its not just the minimize button which are gone - minimize altogether doesnt work. Restarting the application might fix the problem.

[shadowmoses]

Installed 10.4.3 on noth the machines in my sig and its all sweet, the upgrade was close to 100mb on the ibook and about 60mb on the mac mini, the only annoyance i have noticed so far is that the bluetooth icon keeps disapearing after each restart,

Apart from that all good,

Shadow

[Plymouthbreezer]

All fine and dandy here (on my G4 1GHz iMac).

[EricNau]

Just to Re-Warn everyone:
If you haven't already installed this update, DON'T!!!!
For some unknown reason to me, if can render you computer 100% useless.
I've got 2 iMacs (both Rev. B), one updated just fine, and one I can't get past the grey startup screen.
This is not isolated. I called up my Apple Store and they knew exactly what I was talking about.
Other than that it works fine :rolleyes:

[Kup]

Tiger is running smooth like butter. Safari renders pages much faster now, and spotlight now runs at ludicrous speed (sorry for the spaceballs reference :p). No problems, but then again I don't have any weird hacks or customization apps installed either.

[EricNau]

Well, I've done the update on a PowerMac G3 and an iMac G4, and it has improved stability and I'm not having any of the problems mentioned on either computer. So, I doubt this is happening to everyone.
I didn't say everyone. For me it only happened to one of two computers (and they are nearly identical).
I know someone who works at a UC with a hundred or so Mac computers, all of them were updated, but only one wouldn't start back up.
This is by no means happening to everyone - but why would you want to take the chance? When I called The Apple Store, she said Apple was working on a fix, if I were someone out there wanting to update, I would wait a little longer.

[faintember]

Oh, another little wonderful tidbit from 10.4.3

When i repair my disk permissions this is what i get every time!:
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/MacOS/Dictionary. New permissions are 33261
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTracker.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/MacOS/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin. New permissions are 33261
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/parser.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/Stickies.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/UnitConverter.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/parser.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets. New permissions are 16877
We are using a special gid for the file or directory ./System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/MacOS/Dock. New gid is 0
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/MacOS/Dock. New permissions are 33261
Permissions differ on ./private/var/log/secure.log, should be -rw------- , they are -rw-r-----
Owner and group corrected on ./private/var/log/secure.log
Permissions corrected on ./private/var/log/secure.log
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/Makefile.global. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/acinclude.m4. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/mkdep.awk. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/phpize.m4. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/scan_makefile_in.awk. New permissions are 33060

Oh, and verifying my disk yields this:

Checking HFS Plus volume.
Checking Extents Overflow file.
Checking Catalog file.
Checking multi-linked files.
Checking Catalog hierarchy.
8 %)
Checking Extended Attributes file.
Checking volume bitmap.
Checking volume information.
Volume Header needs minor repair
The volume Isolde needs to be repaired.

Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit


1 HFS volume checked
Volume needs repair


Is this happening for anyone else?
(my apologies for the lengthy post)

[benthad]

Have a look here at my thread:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=159160



Oh, another little wonderful tidbit from 10.4.3

When i repair my disk permissions this is what i get every time!:
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/MacOS/Dictionary. New permissions are 33261
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Dictionary.widgetplugin/Contents/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Dictionary.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTracker.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/MacOS/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin. New permissions are 33261
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/FlightTrackerComboBoxPlugin.plugin/Contents/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/parser.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Flight Tracker.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/Stickies.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Stickies.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/Info.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/UnitConverter.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/parser.js. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets/Unit Converter.wdgt/version.plist. New permissions are 33188
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets. New permissions are 16877
We are using a special gid for the file or directory ./System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/MacOS/Dock. New gid is 0
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/MacOS/Dock. New permissions are 33261
Permissions differ on ./private/var/log/secure.log, should be -rw------- , they are -rw-r-----
Owner and group corrected on ./private/var/log/secure.log
Permissions corrected on ./private/var/log/secure.log
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/Makefile.global. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/acinclude.m4. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/mkdep.awk. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/phpize.m4. New permissions are 33060
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/scan_makefile_in.awk. New permissions are 33060

Oh, and verifying my disk yields this:

Checking HFS Plus volume.
Checking Extents Overflow file.
Checking Catalog file.
Checking multi-linked files.
Checking Catalog hierarchy.
8 %)
Checking Extended Attributes file.
Checking volume bitmap.
Checking volume information.
Volume Header needs minor repair
The volume Isolde needs to be repaired.

Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit


1 HFS volume checked
Volume needs repair


Is this happening for anyone else?
(my apologies for the lengthy post)

[EricNau]

To update everyone to my situation...
to recap - after installing 10.4.3 my computer never got past the grey startup screen.
I took it to the Apple store and he told me to take it back home and do an archive and install (I didn't have the disks with me).
We'll see how it works.

[faintember]

omg, please, don't quote a huge, long post just for a one-sentence reply!!
Agreed! But thanks for the info benthad. I ran applejack, but i guess i will give the osx disk a try.....

[Snide]

omg, please, don't quote a huge, long post just for a one-sentence reply!!

And a top-post to boot! :(

[EricNau]

OK...
To finish off my story, I went to the genius bar, he told me to do an 'archive and install' - Now it works fine.
He hadn't heard of any problems, so I guess it is relatively safe to upgrade - but still, I'm not the only one with this problem. It'll make me think before upgrading again.

--The End

[jono_3]

mine works great....i dunno....:)

[product26]

the 10.4.3 has literally doubled the number of times that i have experienced crashes in X. I have used OS X since 10.1.

I removed a few system 'enhancements' and all seems to be okay since last night.

My M-Audio Delta44 driver needed re-installing, i was freezing on anything audio related. (this was also the case with 10.4.2)

Overall, i am disappointed and am considering backing up, and reinstalling everything.

[mongoos150]

Don't know if this is 10.4.3 related, but my new PB is getting about 1.5-2 hrs battery life in optimized conditions...URGH

[Downshift]

I have gotten my system back down to 10.4.2 after trying removing every non stock piece of hardware in it (put back the FX 5200, pulled out the extra ram and tuner card...) except my 160gb Segate drive as I don't have the original now. Several (4) reinstalls and upgrades later to 10.4.3 the system still wouldn't sleep properly. Boot off of anything with 10.4.2 and everything is fine. Rather than spend time at the Apple Store with the Genius Bar guys and gals, I found it easier to re-format one more time and only update to 10.4.2. My G5 PowerMac 1.6 is running fine again.

Everybody else I know with a Mac and I will be waiting until 10.4.4 or higher to update and I'll be waiting a few days before jumping on that update bandwagon.

[YS2003]

I have updated my iBook and Ti PB to 10.4.3. Both of them are working flawlessly and without any problem whosoever. I was concerned about the possible problems as I read some posters said they had issues with their updates. I have not yet updated my 12" PB. Just to be on the safe side, I will keep my 12" PB at the current 10.4.2 as it is performing well (no need to rock the boat when it is sailing in perfect fashion).

I am surprised to hear many people on this thread are having problems with 10.4.3 update.

[Squire]

I haven't read one single post in this thread. But, after having installed 10.4.3 on my iMac, I notice one huge change: the Mail app Bleep.

Anyone else pick that up? (Perhaps 30 pages ago?) The alarm or notification or whatever it's called when the system checks for new email has a new voice: a higher pitched bleep.

<edit> The sound was submarine before.

Squire

[metrocon]

Agreed! But thanks for the info benthad. I ran applejack, but i guess i will give the osx disk a try.....
I had the same issue on both my Albook and Tibook, repair permissions would keep giving me those same things each time I ran it. Booting from the Tiger disk and repairing permissions from there fixed them for good.

[sphereboy]

update is working fine for me.
it just reset all my CandyBar settings

[gunnz]

Don't know if this is 10.4.3 related, but my new PB is getting about 1.5-2 hrs battery life in optimized conditions...URGH

Did you calibrate your battery? Run it all the way until it goes to sleep mode. The battery meter isn't accurate enough until you calibrate it.
Also, use Coconut Battery. Its a good app that tells you your battery's maximum charge, and it's number of load cycles, among other things. If you charge your battery and run it till it shuts down, and it still only gets 1.5 hours....take it back. How long is your PB (I don't know which model) battery supposed to last? Anyhow, I know it's supposed to last at least 4 hours.

[Noiseboy]

I have to say that now I've had a few days to really evaluate the update I'm more and more pleased with it.
My PB is running smoother than it ever has, it's hard to put it into words, it just feels silky.:D All scrolling apps scroll smoother and feel more responsive.
I've done a few restarts after updating various bits of software and the restart time is getting shorter again and the cpu is definitely running a good 5 centigrade degrees cooler. I can't imagine how they would achieve that but it's spectacular, I don't think my fan has come on at all since the update.
Good job Apple.

[bousozoku]

OK...
To finish off my story, I went to the genius bar, he told me to do an 'archive and install' - Now it works fine.
He hadn't heard of any problems, so I guess it is relatively safe to upgrade - but still, I'm not the only one with this problem. It'll make me think before upgrading again.

--The End

If Archive and Install would help that means that you've probably installed some 3rd party software at some time in the past that was incompatible with 10.4.3 and when you updated, it caused the problem.

[Loke]

For those of you experiencing the loss of minimize and the yellow button being replace by a grey one: Do you by any chance run a pirated Front Row?

[kodiak]

machine was perfectly fine before upgrade...

during installer... it through an error up, telling me to reapply 10.4.3 pkg from trash, tried - it crashed again (repeated a few times)
eventually decided to reboot.. bang

starts to load osx, and gets stuck during boot sequentce, almost looking like it keeps initialising itself...


how many others have this issue or similar?

[sammiemo]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

I'd noticed that things seem to have changed when viewing PDF files, too, but I couldn't put my finger on what. However, I can ctrl-click in the the browser window to open in preview or do File | Save As, which will save it as a PDF file.

[zagato27]

Just installed the 10.4.3 and no problems so far. Started the download and went to pick up my car at the shop getting a tire patched, my wife drove me. Told my eldest son that if my younger son came back to stay off the computer. Darn, should have been more specific and said anyone. Came back from picking up my car and visiting the grocery store. Dang, if my wife hadn't hit the restart!:mad: Ok, I'm a bit anal but I wanted to reboot to see if anything strange happened. Course my wife didn't see any problem, afterall the screen said to click on restart. Arrrrrrggggggggh. (Deep breath. Now a deep cleansing breath. Ahhhhhh). Anyway, things seem a bit snappier. Guess I could be imagining that's it's faster but isn't newer always bigger, better and faster? (There are exceptions of course, Daytona Ferrari for one :D ) Keeping my fingers crossed that I don't run into any problems. Cheers

[galbis]

I had a huge problem when I first installed Tiger. I'm talking HUUUGGGGEEEE. My scanner wouldn't (and still doesnt work). My printer wasn't recognized, and I RE-INSTALLED TIGER THREE TIMES, the first an upgrade, the other two fresh-installs.

It was slow to start, etc etc...And I still had printing problems because Tiger wouldn't recognize my printers drivers.

At least the printer works now...thes scanner just cuts up all my images when i pop them into Photoshop (im using an HP Scanjet 4600 and printer: HP PhotoSmart 7550).

Another problem? I don't know if this is isolated, but on my Titanium PowerBook G4...the minimized dock icons of any window are completely blurry and pixelated. Does anyone else have this problem? I've upgraded Tiger everytime an update comes but I'm hesistant to do it again unless it actually does something.

Also, is there any actual way to turn dashboard off or when its not "on screen" is it off?

Appreciate the help!

[steelfist]

For those of you experiencing the loss of minimize and the yellow button being replace by a grey one: Do you by any chance run a pirated Front Row?

no for me although i have that random problem.

[hokram]

I got my system updated to 10.4.3 server finally. Didn't have any problems with it, but the download size was 122 MB. I've heard 58 and 9X before.

Anyway, can't complain. System feels really responsive.

[CubaTBird]

yeah so far so good with the update on my 'book.. its been a few days already and i have to experience any slow downs.. or speed ups for that matter. :o

[ruprick]

UPDATE safari is faster, i guess my internet connection was screwed up. Way to go SAFARI! I installed Camino and was wow like this is fast, and i used safari agian and im like wow this is fast. So safari is faster, i guess my internet connection was screwing up at first or something


OLDER first experience
Okay so I installed the standalone updater and safari is unbearably slow now. It feels like dialup. I have a brand new 15" PB only a week old and the only software i installed is Iworks. I reset safari before and after the update and rebooted a couple of times. I was hoping that safari would be better so that i could use it. Now i have to install a third party broswer, probaby camino.... oh well. I really wanted to like and use safari.

[frenetic]

I've used it now for two days and I must say I am very pleased with this update... The system feels more reliable, no more bizarre and annoying hick-ups (not that 10.4.2 was a nightmare, but I restarted every 2-3 days because something bizarre would happen), and perhaps a little bit faster in the spotlight department (nothing spectacular, though).

The only annoying thing which remains is that when you plug in several audio outputs on a laptop the OS gets a bit confused after a while. For example, after having plugged in and unplugging my emi 2/6, mail.app does not play sounds anymore. Perhaps we are spoiled, because I remember having to restart every time you plugged or unplugged a printer :)

[Daveway]

has anyone found any problems with folders "closing" or deselecting after using the spring loaded function?

When I drag files and folders into other folders with spring load, the folder doesn't "close" or snap back when the file is released.

[lapwing]

I had the same issue on both my Albook and Tibook, repair permissions would keep giving me those same things each time I ran it. Booting from the Tiger disk and repairing permissions from there fixed them for good.

Look, please understand, these are NOT ERRORS you are seeing - they are for information - they are telling you that instead of what should be normal permissions (in a UNIX based system) for these folders and files, Apple have (for security reasons) changed the permissions (eg made Widgets only installable by you, not a malicious third party as they could have been in 10.4.0). The Disk Utility with 10.4.3 is the latest version and will report these permissions, booting from the original Tiger startup disk (10.4.0) does not contain these changed permissions so they are not reported. Nothing is 'fixed' by booting from the earlier disk.
This thread about all these 'permissions' shows a lack of understanding about what is going on - read what the messages say in Disk Utility (they all begin with 'We are using....')

[iMeowbot]

Yuck, the old Character Palette bug (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25641) from Panther returned :mad:

[lindmar]

I dont have time to read 833 posts but this update has screwed up my system pretty good...

whenever it goes to sleep now we lose our internet connecttion (even though it reads as connected) DSL and the only way to get it back is a restart.
This happened immediatley after updating...
any idea?

[Yaja123]

i have a powerbook 15 the one before the new models recently and installed the update without a second thought...i wish i had thought twice. But having never had a bad experience since switching to apple last march i never thought id feel uneasy about by powerbook.

after the upgrade everything was sweet. but later that night it froze when powering down.... so i held the power button down for 4 secs. I restarted to make sure everything was fine.. it wasnt!!!!! mail.app was messed up, all key chains where deleted and playing up all the time with pop ups.. and various preferences were lost...

its taken me a day to restore everything and get it stable.... it sort of happened again earlier today with my keychains disappearing but luckily i restored from .mac backup.

since then its been ok... fingers crossed nothing else happens otherwise ill have to spend a day doing a fresh install! :(

[mileslong]

there is no way safari is faster than camino...

[leekohler]

I love it so far. The graphics seem smoother like they were in Panther, something I've been missing. They must have also fixed problems with Quartz Extreme, I don't have CoreImage support. This version is smooth as glass. Awesome.

[shompa]

I also have some problems:

My powerbook has battery times under one hour. That is a 50% drop since 10.42. (yes: Have calibrated the battery)

My powermac: Have issues with automount/finder and sleeping disks. Since I have 4 disks inside my G5, i want to spin down disks that I don't use. Before 10.43, there were no issues with this. Now, the disks don't want to spin up, and finder hangs. Just reboot the computer ala Bill.

:(
How hard can it be? Apple owns it's own hardware and should be able to check these killer updates.

[mjstew33]

I think the update was a good one. It was a rough start, but ever since then... it's been very smooth. Fast, too.

:D

[mjstew33]

Yuck, the old Character Palette bug (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25641) from Panther returned :mad:

Huh? What's this?

[iMeowbot]

Huh? What's this?
On some Macs, the Character Palette is popping up at every password dialog. Including this one :mad:

[mjstew33]

has anyone found any problems with folders "closing" or deselecting after using the spring loaded function?

When I drag files and folders into other folders with spring load, the folder doesn't "close" or snap back when the file is released.
Nope. Repair permissions? Hmmm.. idk man.

EDIT: 1,000th post :D

[hyperpasta]

EDIT: 1,000th post :D

Nooooooooooooooo... ???

[yojitani]

So does anyone know if apple is going to release a fix for this p.o.c. anytime soon?

My fans are going crazy and it has nothing to do with my looks.

YOJ

[TodVader]

My iBook just boots slower since the update, everything else runs fine!

[mongoos150]

I panicked this morning, I went to use my bluetooth mouse and the BT icon was greyed out, saying "Bluetooth Not Available". I promptly restarted and my desktop was like it had been a few days ago, certain programs not in the dock and the wallpaper outdated...so wierd. Also my dock has been freezing a lot, the only way to make it go away is pressing option+apple+escape. I don't have to close anything, but bringing up the force quit dialog box makes the computer normal again. This along with the tremendously short battery life I've been getting is making me wish I had held onto my rev.D powerbook (previous model). I'm going to go in to see a MacGenius this weekend.

[illegalprelude]

I hope this update fixes the firewire issue with Final Cut Pro cause that is driving me nutzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Photorun]

A day in with the update and everything seems to be humming along okay. In fact I was getting really weird, almost buggy, behavior with Adobe CS apps, strange lags while switching between programs (Photoshop and Illustrator) and then even in iTunes... a lot of spinning beach balls for unexplainable reasons... gone!:D

However I'm not finding it more (as they say in these thar parts) "snappy," about the same as it was before the weird issues came up which is good enough for me.

PS And people were talking about there not being an option for opening a PDF in Safari in Preview but I still can. :confused:

[benbondu]

I run a 12" PB with a 17" 2nd LCD display and I've been getting some funny behavior in DVD Player ever since the update. I play DVDs on the larger external display but the picture cuts out whenever anything other than the movie is displayed on the screen (e.g. I move the mouse and the controls appear; or I adjust the volume; etc.). The sound is still there but I just lose the picture until either the DVD controls or the volume level display fade away. I don't have this problem when the external display is not hooked up, but I also never had this problem with the external displayed connected under 10.4.2. It's a little confusing to me because I don't think DVD player was updated this go-around. I'm thinking that somehow the dual display functionality on my PB was messed around with when I updated the OS. Is anyone else having similar issues?

[Photorun]

How hard can it be? Apple owns it's own hardware and should be able to check these killer updates.

Apple owns the ORIGINAL hardware, but if you put hard drives in there that aren't S.M.A.R.T. (to the system) and/or weren't on Apple's radar... which there are, MANY, I know, I recently bought one and was overwhelmed... that can cause an issue with the hard drive. It did for me, I bought a Hitachi and had all types of weird issues with it, not to mention it could never be verified as "S.M.A.R.T. status. Finally sent it back and got a Seagate which was verified and everything works fine EXCEPT when I go to that drive there's a bizarre pause, like it takes a second if you open it or a folder within the new hard drive where I'm giving a blank window and maybe even a beach ball for a split second before info appears. However I can live with it considering it's not my boot drive, it's 500 GB and cost me under $250.

[JohnHammond]

After I installed the last update, a few applications have started crashing. DVD Studio Pro crashes as I try to burn a DVD. VLC crashes 3 seconds after I open it. iDVD crashes when I try to burn a DVD. Safari and other applications crash more frequently than they did before (they hardly ever did).

[gunnz]

After I installed the last update, a few applications have started crashing. DVD Studio Pro crashes as I try to burn a DVD. VLC crashes 3 seconds after I open it. iDVD crashes when I try to burn a DVD. Safari and other applications crash more frequently than they did before (they hardly ever did).

Have you tried reinstalling those programs?

[bobber205]

my mini wouldn't even start up after the update.
but after a soft restart, everything was ok...

[Doctor Q]

I didn't find mention of this in a quick search of this thread, so at the risk of repeating something already mentioned...

Under Mac OS X 10.4.3, Mail.app once again allows tab characters in the body of messages, a feature that once worked but was lost in a previous Mac OS X update (pressing TAB got you spaces instead).

Tab support is back and I'm very pleased about that!

[uv23]

Is anyone else having this issue? It has started with 10.4.3 and I submitted it to apple as a bug report:


Home config: 1GHz PowerBook G4, Tiger 10.4.3, Airport Extreme base station. Connectivity is via wireless.

Work config: as above.

I use my powerbook on the wireless network at home, then bring it to work which has both a wireless network and wired ethernet. When I wake my computer from sleep at work, it cannot use any internet services. Mail, browsers, etc do not connect even though a new wireless network is detected and connected to. Similarly, I prefer to use wired ethernet at work for better speed, yet when I plug in the ethernet cable, no internet apps find the connection even though it exists. In the past (before 10.4.3 actually) I could plug in the ethernet at work and optionally turn off my airport and everything would work smoothly. Now I am required to log out of my computer and log back in.

[Will Cheyney]

On some Macs, the Character Palette is popping up at every password dialog. Including this one :mad:
Never heard/encountered of such a bug!
I have had no troubles with 10.4 since I started using it since the original GM release.

[Will Cheyney]

I didn't find mention of this in a quick search of this thread, so at the risk of repeating something already mentioned...

Under Mac OS X 10.4.3, Mail.app once again allows tab characters in the body of messages, a feature that once worked but was lost in a previous Mac OS X update (pressing TAB got you spaces instead).

Tab support is back and I'm very pleased about that!
It was included in the official release documents Apple provide :)

[ingenious]

Mail smart folders are sluggish ('course my inbox has 20,000 msgs) and the Dock is freezing A LOT on my friend's (a very recent switcher) Rev. B Mac mini.

I'm submitting feedback. Otherwise, this seems to have cleared up everything else. That is, except for me having to completely re-index Spotlight. At first 10.4.3 fixed it, then it was worse.

[iMeowbot]

Never heard/encountered of such a bug!
I have had no troubles with 10.4 since I started using it since the original GM release.
That's wonderful news, but I don't think you would like me flying over there every morning and using your Mac all day :)

Trashing some prefs for the keyboard and char palette, then rebooting, got the affected machines unstuck, after carrying out that procedure twice.

[stefans]

I run a 12" PB with a 17" 2nd LCD display and I've been getting some funny behavior in DVD Player ever since the update. I play DVDs on the larger external display but the picture cuts out whenever anything other than the movie is displayed on the screen (e.g. I move the mouse and the controls appear; or I adjust the volume; etc.). The sound is still there but I just lose the picture until either the DVD controls or the volume level display fade away. I don't have this problem when the external display is not hooked up, but I also never had this problem with the external displayed connected under 10.4.2. It's a little confusing to me because I don't think DVD player was updated this go-around. I'm thinking that somehow the dual display functionality on my PB was messed around with when I updated the OS. Is anyone else having similar issues?

Same issue on my 12" PB (1GHz, 768MB) with a 20" LCD display. Only way to get a DVD to play on the external display is to use mirroring. I've tried a couple of other things like dropping the colour from millions to thousands - doesn't help. Never had an issue in 10.4.2 so moving to 10.4.3 seems to have caused this.

[Chrispy]

One word... CHIRPING! When are they going to finally fix that issue with Dual Processor PowerMac G5s and Tiger. I have a dual 1.8 and I don't get ANY strange sounds in Panther but it makes aweful chirping sounds in Tiger even with 10.4.3... boo to that!

[thegreathobo]

My iTunes has started randomly turning on now...Is Apple invading my computer?

[~Shard~]

My iTunes has started randomly turning on now...Is Apple invading my computer?

You just figured out now that they have been doing that? :p :D

[ingenious]

My iTunes has started randomly turning on now...Is Apple invading my computer?

Do you have any iTunes-using Widgets besides the iTunes one? Mine was doing that and I turned off an Alarm I had, and so far, it's been good.

'Course, I was having all sorts of other problems as well, so I reinstalled via that Combo update and it seems to have resolved some issues, but not the Mail Smart Folder/Spotlight one.:(

[bslax28]

This may be a coincidence in regard to the update, but since I installed the update, I have been having problems with the trackpad on my PB 12" G4. It is intermittently slow, unresponsive, and will not go in a straight line. Sometimes using expose fixes the problem for some reason, other times I just have to wait it out. Does anyone have any idea why this might be happen, and if so, how I could fix it?

[spookz]

hey
i get a beachball on the menubar at the spot where the clock, spotlight and volume should be. none of them load

the sys pref keeps unchecking the "display" item

the only mod i did to the previous install was to disable the spotlight. i think i trashed it or something

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