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ColoJohnBoy
Nov 2, 2005, 01:30 PM
Really. Yes, the iPod can play video. Yes, some videos are pornographic. Why the fascination with this connection? It seem twice daily that MacBytes posts some article or news bit about porn and the iPod. Is it really that interesting? Or newsworthy? Is Belkin going to start selling the iVibrator? Will it simulate the on-screen action?

Bah. I'm in a mood.

miloblithe
Nov 2, 2005, 01:56 PM
Porn is a gigantic industry. $12 billion in the US. Seems like news to me.

http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html

Lacero
Nov 2, 2005, 01:57 PM
Portable porn videos. That's pretty big news if you ask me.

Flowbee
Nov 2, 2005, 01:59 PM
I think porn stars actually using Macs is much more interesting...

Demon Hunter
Nov 2, 2005, 02:06 PM
It's because of the iPod's success. Now everything is blown sky high. Scratches, battery life, porn.

And also, because the iPod is so mainstream now, I think it's a legitimate concern.

MontyZ
Nov 2, 2005, 02:14 PM
Because the porn industry makes huge profits, and is an early-adopter of new technologies.

You realize that some of the biggest media conglomerates, like Time Warner and Sky (Murdoch's company) peddle XXX porn? They do, and make massive profits from it, but, it's all kept under cover.

ColoJohnBoy
Nov 2, 2005, 02:16 PM
Craziness. I'm terribly naive, then. Not that I don't enjoy the occasional... well, you know... but I have little nephews regularly playing with my iPod. Don't think my brother would be too happy if he knew his kids were watching "Debbie Does Dallas" or something.

miloblithe
Nov 2, 2005, 02:18 PM
I for one don't see the real attraction to iPod porn for my life. I'm not going to watch it on the commute to work and I have a perectly good computer or TV at home. But I can see this as being a boon for others. My first thought was for kids in college dorms. Now going to the bathroom with your iPod in hand will take on a whole new meaning.

Lacero
Nov 2, 2005, 02:21 PM
Children as young as 11 or even younger are downloading porn without their parent's knowledge. Shocking!

TheMonarch
Nov 2, 2005, 02:22 PM
I for one don't see the real attraction to iPod porn for my life. I'm not going to watch it on the commute to work and I have a perectly good computer or TV at home. But I can see this as being a boon for others. My first thought was for kids in college dorms. Now going to the bathroom with your iPod in hand will take on a whole new meaning.


Thanks for helping me paint that picture :eek: !


Memo: Don't touch other people's iPod videos! EVER! Specially the "white" ones!!!

wordmunger
Nov 2, 2005, 02:23 PM
I read somewhere that the published figures of porn-industry revenues are greatly overestimated. $11 billion is hard to believe.

dubbz
Nov 2, 2005, 02:23 PM
Memo: Don't touch other people's iPod videos! EVER! Specially the "white" ones!!!

specially if they were originally black.

snowmoon
Nov 2, 2005, 02:28 PM
I read somewhere that the published figures of porn-industry revenues are greatly overestimated. $11 billion is hard to believe.

That sounds LOW! There may be shady characters in the industry, but don't doubt the sales ##'s. When even the most conservative cable networks have hardcore porn there is no doubting that the profits far outweight any ideology.

TheMonarch
Nov 2, 2005, 02:30 PM
I just hope Disney isn't involved in P0rNinG... Or is it? :eek: :p

Flowbee
Nov 2, 2005, 02:33 PM
That sounds LOW! There may be shady characters in the industry, but don't doubt the sales ##'s. When even the most conservative cable networks have hardcore porn there is no doubting that the profits far outweight any ideology.

Not to mention almost every major hotel chain offering "adult" on-demand movies. It's not a public service... it's all about the profits.

wordmunger
Nov 2, 2005, 02:35 PM
That sounds LOW! There may be shady characters in the industry, but don't doubt the sales ##'s. When even the most conservative cable networks have hardcore porn there is no doubting that the profits far outweight any ideology.

I do doubt them, especially when every website seems to show the same numbers without any attribution. That's more than double the regular movie industry.

MacTruck
Nov 2, 2005, 02:42 PM
Hey man no more lugging that powerbook to the bathroom. Is that an iPod in your pocket or are you happy to see me? :eek:

Flowbee
Nov 2, 2005, 02:48 PM
I do doubt them, especially when every website seems to show the same numbers without any attribution. That's more than double the regular movie industry.

"Family Safe Media" actually estimates $12 billion domestically and $57 billion world-wide.

http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html

SummerBreeze
Nov 2, 2005, 02:54 PM
Even if the porn industry is making more than the movie industry, I don't see why it's such a big news story. I could put pirated movies and illegally downloaded tv shows on an iPod if I really wanted, but no one seems to care about that anymore.

It's just kinda weird. It's like announcing a new television and having a bunch of reporters writing stories about how the tv can be used for porn. It's ridiculous...

emw
Nov 2, 2005, 02:54 PM
I read somewhere that the published figures of porn-industry revenues are greatly overestimated. $11 billion is hard to believe.Porn and exaggeration go, ahem, hand-in-hand, don't they? Besides, I don't think $11B is that out of range, considering the volume that gets peddled, and what is probably considered "porn." It's not just video, but print as well. And even, perhaps, the "adult" industry in general, including such business as Lover's Lane, et al.

wordmunger
Nov 2, 2005, 02:55 PM
"Family Safe Media" actually estimates $12 billion domestically and $57 billion world-wide.

http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html
...And they get the figures from "Internet Filter Review"... whatever that is... which is where every other site online gets the stats. (The $11 billion in my first post was a typo--sorry about that)

Flowbee
Nov 2, 2005, 03:07 PM
It's just kinda weird. It's like announcing a new television and having a bunch of reporters writing stories about how the tv can be used for porn. It's ridiculous...

It was certainly news when home VCRs became popular and porn could be distributed on video. It created an entirely new market.

I think that's what some people are expecting to happen with the iPod. Suddenly millions of people will have a device in their pocket that plays video, and the market for video porn downloads will skyrocket.

Kobushi
Nov 2, 2005, 03:09 PM
Craziness. I'm terribly naive, then. Not that I don't enjoy the occasional... well, you know... but I have little nephews regularly playing with my iPod. Don't think my brother would be too happy if he knew his kids were watching "Debbie Does Dallas" or something.

Not naive, just out of touch...there's way better, more current porn than Debbie Does Dallas :rolleyes:

Lacero
Nov 2, 2005, 03:10 PM
Not naive, just out of touch...there's way better, more current porn than Debbie Does Dallas :rolleyes:
Debbie Does Houston.

I like 'Ride My Donkey 27', personally.

railthinner
Nov 2, 2005, 03:17 PM
The adult industry is often credited with advancing technologies such as secure online transaction, or online transactions period. This is another example where porn may help something get big quicker -- to explode --not too fast -- not premat... ugh.

jayscheuerle
Nov 2, 2005, 03:43 PM
Porn drove the internet.

Games drove processor speed.

Wednesday
Nov 3, 2005, 08:21 AM
This thread kind of explains why the parental control feature has been added to the new version of iTunes :)

technocoy
Nov 3, 2005, 09:02 AM
I know you have probably answered this before, but i have to ask as i haven't seen the answer... who is the young woman in your avatar?

oh and yes, porn makes tons of money, yeah, that.

snowmoon
Nov 3, 2005, 09:03 AM
This thread kind of explains why the parental control feature has been added to the new version of iTunes :)

Actually it's something the schools have been asking for. iTunes has just recently stared to integrate with the distributed control system that Apple developed ( forget the name ). Expect that more controls will be added.

xli_ne
Nov 3, 2005, 09:22 AM
specially if they were originally black.



ooooooooooo, thats just wrong

devilot
Nov 3, 2005, 09:24 AM
Children as young as 11 or even younger are downloading porn without their parent's knowledge. Shocking!Yes that might be shocking, but there are children as young as eight who are performing oral sex for/to their peers. :(

emw
Nov 3, 2005, 09:32 AM
Yes that might be shocking, but there are children as young as eight who are performing oral sex for/to their peers. :(I thought we were naughty playing "show me yours, I'll show you mine" in grade school. But oral sex? I didn't even know what that was when I was 8. :eek:

ohcrap
Nov 3, 2005, 09:41 AM
Children as young as 11 or even younger are downloading porn without their parent's knowledge. Shocking!
Reminds me of... me! :eek:

bousozoku
Nov 3, 2005, 11:09 AM
Really. Yes, the iPod can play video. Yes, some videos are pornographic. Why the fascination with this connection? It seem twice daily that MacBytes posts some article or news bit about porn and the iPod. Is it really that interesting? Or newsworthy? Is Belkin going to start selling the iVibrator? Will it simulate the on-screen action?

Bah. I'm in a mood.

It's just that we want to see you on the small screen, too. :D <ducks>

revisionA
Nov 3, 2005, 11:22 AM
I think porn stars actually using Macs is much more interesting...

Thats hot. (paris voice)

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Danksi
Nov 3, 2005, 12:01 PM
Porn is a gigantic industry. $12 billion in the US. Seems like news to me.[/URL]

The Mobile industry is just aching to get a piece of that pie, just needs to figure out the legal/regulatory stuff.

Porn was one of those key services for 3G

yellow
Nov 3, 2005, 03:54 PM
Porn talk? I missed porn talk? Damnit!

Plymouthbreezer
Nov 3, 2005, 04:20 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/ipod/audioh-ipod-vibrator-112543.php .

:rolleyes:

devilot
Nov 3, 2005, 05:06 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media/ipod/audioh-ipod-vibrator-112543.php .

:rolleyes:I'm pretty sure that has been mentioned before, the article itself is dated July 14, 2005... I've noticed that most MR members catch on to racy topics rather quickly. ;)

homerjward
Nov 3, 2005, 05:20 PM
Memo: Don't touch other people's iPod videos! EVER! Specially the "white" ones!!!
specially if they were originally black.
ipod bukkake edition?

the_freddinator
Nov 3, 2005, 07:41 PM
C'mon guys. This is no big phenomenon (sp). Think about it:

Porn's been around forever. When the TV (esp cable, satellite) came out, the same thing happened. When the INTERNET came out, the same thing happened. When HIGH SPEED internet came out, the same thing happened (but faster!). Cell phones can view porn (images or short movies). Now that a small computer (the iPod is just an HD [or two] w/ an OS on it) w/ video capability has come out, this should come as NO SURPRISE. If the machine can make an image, it'll sure as hell be used for viewing porn.
The fact that kids younger and younger are experiencing 'adult' themes is digusting, but not surprising. It's hard not to encounter porn when google image searching (or yahoo- whatever floats your boat). The problem being presented is only a problem because people know where money is.

As for the economics of porn, I'm not surprised at all at the figures being presented.

cdubb213
Nov 3, 2005, 09:46 PM
I think porn stars actually using Macs is much more interesting...
She looks familar don't ask me how I know.

yellow
Nov 4, 2005, 11:02 AM
Best product ever.

mouchoir
Nov 4, 2005, 11:23 AM
"Family Safe Media" actually estimates $12 billion domestically and $57 billion world-wide.

http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html

Wow! That officially makes the USA the single biggest nation of w**kers in the world! ;)

JDOG_
Nov 4, 2005, 12:03 PM
Quite honestly the first thing I thought of when they announced the iPod with video was that someone was going to make a crapload of money off selling pron for these things.

Same thing with the iPod photo though, people are like "OMG, people are gonna look at pron on that too!!!11"

efoto
Nov 4, 2005, 12:18 PM
Yes that might be shocking, but there are children as young as eight who are performing oral sex for/to their peers. :(

:eek: I just learned what oral sex was the other day....8 years old! I was worried about electron orbits and fluid bowel movements, not sex. I can't imagine 8 year old kids performing oral sex on one another....how do they even know what that is or that it is supposed to derive pleasure? :confused: Way to go America, we screwed up yet another age group. Sad.

Quite honestly the first thing I thought of when they announced the iPod with video was that someone was going to make a crapload of money off selling pron for these things.

Same thing with the iPod photo though, people are like "OMG, people are gonna look at pron on that too!!!11"

It's not as good as I had hoped :(

revisionA
Nov 4, 2005, 12:56 PM
Whatever happened to passing notes and kissing on the busride home?

I blame the education system for thinking abstinance is all they need to focus on...

$

andysmith
Nov 4, 2005, 12:57 PM
And you thought people were buying PSPs to play games? :D

1rottenapple
Nov 5, 2005, 10:58 AM
There has to be a program to hide the vids or pics via password. Come on, someone develop it. And yes, I'm leaving to Asia for a few years so I'd like to have some midnight/morning porn for those times when I'm single :eek:

PBGPowerbook
Nov 5, 2005, 02:38 PM
i used to work in a porn store, owned by a former production company owner...12 billion is EASY...I don't thinnk you people have any idea of the profits that porn producers make. Even at the retail level the products are marked up 1000% or more (not a typo) and they still FLY off the shelves

homerjward
Nov 5, 2005, 02:41 PM
did anyone watch the tonight show last night? they were making fun of porn on the ipod. he said "and now here's a sample of an adult video on an ipod" and it showed this tiny, tiny video in the center of a black screen and the entire audience started laughing :p

efoto
Nov 5, 2005, 11:02 PM
i used to work in a porn store, owned by a former production company owner...12 billion is EASY...I don't thinnk you people have any idea of the profits that porn producers make. Even at the retail level the products are marked up 1000% or more (not a typo) and they still FLY off the shelves

Given the right girl, I'd shop there (have in the past). I think a lot of people are too uptight about sex, other's too loose ( :rolleyes: ), but I see nothing wrong with the sex industry (including porn) as long as it's legitimate and legal. If adults want to buy videos, fine. My only issue is with child-pornography and the abuse of under-developed minds by force....that's just gross.

Otherwise, to each his or her own toy....if that's your thing. Pop in a vid, whatever. Have fun ;) :D

wordmunger
Nov 15, 2005, 08:07 AM
Had to revive this thread because I finally found the article (http://www.ojr.org/ojr/business/1017866651.php) which debunks the $12 billion figure.

Here are some key quotes:

Even if reliable numbers are hard to come by, it would stand to reason that if porn was so lucrative, the industry would be crawling with rich people. Anecdotally, at least, that's not the case.

"They are not multi-zillionaires," said legendary 48-year-old actor Ron Jeremy. The owners of video companies like VCA, Leisure Time and Vivid might make seven figures, and a handful of Internet-porn queens might make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, but the rest of the pack is merely comfortable, he said. "Maybe some girls own their own home, or bought condos and live off the rent money. Maybe their mortgage is over, maybe they got a nice car."

The idea that pornography is a $10 billion business is often credited to a study by Forrester Research. This figure gets repeated over and over. The only problem is that there is no such study," wrote Ackman, a lawyer-turned-journalist who had never previously covered porn. "In 1998, Forrester did publish a report on the online 'adult content' industry, which it pegged at $750 million to $1 billion in annual revenue. The $10 billion aggregate figure was unsourced and mentioned in passing."


Obtaining accurate figures is the number-one problem journalists say they have when reporting on the adult industry.

"Like other industries that are dominated by smaller mom-and-pop shops or privately owned companies, you don't have the public disclosure as you do in the ... technology world" says the L.A. Times' Huffstutter in a telephone interview. "Numbers and figures are very hard to acquire in this industry. I've only been on the beat for about seven weeks, so I'm still trying to figure out how we're going to be getting larger industry trend numbers."

Lewis Perdue of WSJ.com found a way around the usual roadblocks by focusing instead on the Web hosting industry's reliance on adult sites, which he estimates (in a very detailed column March 21) in the hundreds of millions of dollars, if not the low billions.

Lord Blackadder
Nov 15, 2005, 09:18 AM
So, in other words, the porn industry makes a ton of money - just not as much as their hugely inflated claim suggests...

Makosuke
Nov 15, 2005, 07:37 PM
Memo: Don't touch other people's iPod videos! EVER! Specially the "white" ones!!!Funniest thing I've read in days.

And since I'm posting anyway:

I don't see iPorn as that interesting (particularly given how easy transcoding is), but I could see pornographers as being an early adopter in "iPod ready" video for the lazy. Besides, h.264 compression is better than the alternatives, and since iPod frame size is acceptable for computer porn anyway, it's just a good excuse to move away from other formats and save bandwidth for them while marketing it as "new".

The only real market I personally see is those in the same category as "Playboy under the mattress" porn-watchers; anyone with a modicum of privacy and a TV or computer really shouldn't need one at all, but if you're hiding from your kids *and* your wife (why?), or you're a college student in a dorm, it could be an advantage.

And, of course, this is where lazy parents start getting all panicky about younger kids, since instead of having to sit in front of a computer (which, if you're a decent parent, you're monitoring to at least some degree) or the family TV, they can sneak it off to wherever. No different from stuffing a dirty magazine in your bookbag, really, but a bit higher tech.

spencecb
Nov 15, 2005, 08:33 PM
When I sell my 3G iPod and buy one of the new video iPods, the first thing I am going to do is load porn on it...hello!!! that has to be the best feature of the new iPod...all those times I don't take my computer home to my parents house, when I'm on campus, etc. etc... yay porn!

asherman13
Dec 10, 2005, 12:32 PM
Is Belkin going to start selling the iVibrator?.

or something like that: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000727071936/

sorry; couldn't resist:p