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MacRumors
Jun 7, 2013, 08:26 AM
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BMW has announced (http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=1713&mid=) that Siri "Eyes Free" mode will be coming to all of its 2014 models in a new update to its ConnectedDrive Internet service, allowing iPhone users to interact with Siri in their BMWs without looking at their devices.With the latest update to BMW iDrive, both Apple Siri and Samsung SVoice can be accessed through the vehicle's voice command controls. With a paired device, pressing and holding the steering wheel voice command button will engage the device's voice access. Pressing the steering wheel voice button without holding it will continue to access the vehicle's voice command functions.http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/04/siri_eyes_free_bmw.jpg
Previously, BMW had announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/27/bmw-announces-new-ios-app-partnerships-with-audible-glympse-rhapsody-and-tunein/) iOS app partnerships with Audible, TuneIn, Rhapsody and more. Last June, Apple announced that it was working on a new "Eyes Free" mode for Siri with car manufacturers. When it was announced at WWDC last year, Scott Forstall displayed a slide (http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/11/siri_eyes_free_partners.jpg) showing that Apple was working with BMW, Mercedes, GM, Land Rover, Jaguar, Audi, Toyota, Chrysler and Honda on the initiative.

Last November, Chevy announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/27/siri-eyes-free-mode-coming-to-chevrolet-spark-and-sonic-in-early-2013/) that it was bringing "Eyes Free" mode to some of its car models while earlier this year Honda and Acura announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/30/siri-eyes-free-coming-to-2013-honda-accord-acura-rdx-and-ilx/) that it was coming to some of their models as well. Unlike those manufacturers, BMW is bringing "Eyes Free" mode to all of its 2014 car models and beyond.

Article Link: Siri 'Eyes Free' Coming to 2014 BMW Models (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/07/siri-eyes-free-coming-to-2014-bmw-models/)



jcw5002
Jun 7, 2013, 08:29 AM
Stoked!!! :D

b33g33
Jun 7, 2013, 08:39 AM
Interesting. I would love it if this was a also a retrofit for earlier versions with a software update.

Hopefully, Siri will have gotten an upgrade by then as well with iOS7.

Right now, Google is so far ahead that it's depressing.

drew0020
Jun 7, 2013, 08:40 AM
It would be nice if it worked with our old 2013 versions lol.

RoelJuun
Jun 7, 2013, 08:46 AM
Expensive phones, expensive cars ;)

Jaredly
Jun 7, 2013, 08:50 AM
Please people do not use this while driving!!! It seems safer but it is not!! I have done studies at the university of Massachusetts that proves that hands free interaction with a cell phone is no safer than hands on interaction. You are still 5x more likely to crash using a phone hands free than no phone at all. Siri is a cool idea but it should not be used In a car.

yg17
Jun 7, 2013, 08:51 AM
Awesome, even more drivers not paying attention to the road.

Chupa Chupa
Jun 7, 2013, 08:59 AM
Please people do not use this while driving!!! It seems safer but it is not!! I have done studies at the university of Massachusetts that proves that hands free interaction with a cell phone is no safer than hands on interaction. You are still 5x more likely to crash using a phone hands free than no phone at all. Siri is a cool idea but it should not be used In a car.

In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate can't prevent it.

KindredMAC
Jun 7, 2013, 09:00 AM
Can I retro fit my 2004 X5 with this? ;)

Tubebaum
Jun 7, 2013, 09:04 AM
I can't wait until I can afford to buy a used 2014 model in 15 years. Stoked

Tankmaze
Jun 7, 2013, 09:07 AM
interesting to see that apple can command the automotive industry to use this feature. but this is probably because the iPod success as a music player that made this, and this is probably why google and other companies won't be catching up soon with this kind of thing.

edit: didn't read the quote part, that its also include S voice. :o

tigres
Jun 7, 2013, 09:08 AM
If I were BMW in charge of this decision, I would have told apple not yet, your still in beta.

Siri is so weak via bluetooth in the car hands free it's pathetic. IMO, it's so far and away weaker than Googles offering that they are in different leagues.

I can see it now, BMW service explaining to clients it's Siri not the 2014 BMW software integration.

Jaredly
Jun 7, 2013, 09:08 AM
In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate
can't prevent it.

We have done studies with kids and that is dangerous but that can not be prevented. As for other passengers; if you have up to 2 passengers in the car it is safer than driving alone but more than that the rate of crashes increases (all of our experiments are done on a simulator). Obviously some things have to be done and we must learn to live with the danger. But is it essential to have Siri write down something on your Calder while you drive? You can wait the 20 min to write that down when you're done driving. This seems pretty careless to me.

I understand some dangerous driving behavior can't be stopped but that doesn't mean we should use this since it is so easily avoidable.

Eduardo1971
Jun 7, 2013, 09:17 AM
Should have used an interior photo of the recently announced 2014 X5; that dashboard is gorgeous.

GuitarDTO
Jun 7, 2013, 09:26 AM
If I were BMW in charge of this decision, I would have told apple not yet, your still in beta.

Siri is so weak via bluetooth in the car hands free it's pathetic. IMO, it's so far and away weaker than Googles offering that they are in different leagues.

I can see it now, BMW service explaining to clients it's Siri not the 2014 BMW software integration.

BMW's iDrive and Apps is worse than beta. They don't have a clue how to design a user friendly interface. My wife's 2012 X3 with Tech package is a joke as far as the user friendliness. She doesn't have a clue how to use half the features.

Anything Apple brings will be a huge improvement.

Chupa Chupa
Jun 7, 2013, 09:26 AM
But is it essential to have Siri write down something on your Calder while you drive? You can wait the 20 min to write that down when you're done driving. This seems pretty careless to me.


We live in an age where attention spans are short and multitasking is essential. People are not going to change their ways. It's a bit idealistic to say "wait 20 min." When people have a thought that needs capturing they want to do it immediately, not later, assuming they remember. I'd rather people ask Siri to make an appointment than have them try to text it out themselves.

NightFox
Jun 7, 2013, 09:27 AM
In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate can't prevent it.

The difference is doing what you suggest would be unrealistic, whereas what the OP proposes isn't, considering we've managed for over 100 years not to need to use phones whilst driving.

I don't deny that any distraction is dangerous, but there's obviously a pragmatic balance to be struck otherwise we wouldn't even have cars.

likemyorbs
Jun 7, 2013, 09:28 AM
I just leased mine 2013 a few months ago. Guess I'll be waiting 2.5 years for this feature. :(

drummingcraig
Jun 7, 2013, 09:35 AM
I can't wait until I can afford to buy a used 2014 model in 15 years. Stoked

Look at the brightside, Thunderbolt peripherals will also be affordable by then too.

tigres
Jun 7, 2013, 09:36 AM
BMW's iDrive and Apps is worse than beta. They don't have a clue how to design a user friendly interface. My wife's 2012 X3 with Tech package is a joke as far as the user friendliness. She doesn't have a clue how to use half the features.

Anything Apple brings will be a huge improvement.


I have to agree with you there. I just got my wife an 06 325xi, and the iDrive is completely slow, nearly useless, and borderline dangerous to use while actually driving.

iSayuSay
Jun 7, 2013, 09:43 AM
Look at the brightside, Thunderbolt peripherals will also be affordable by then too.

Or dead ..

mysticbluebmw
Jun 7, 2013, 09:52 AM
In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate can't prevent it.

What you've failed to realize is that playing with your phone is a distraction easily controlled...just don't do it. Other distractions, such as the one's you've mentioned, not so much. Nothing wrong with limiting risk where you can.

Chupa Chupa
Jun 7, 2013, 10:03 AM
The difference is doing what you suggest would be unrealistic, whereas what the OP proposes isn't, considering we've managed for over 100 years not to need to use phones whilst driving.

I don't deny that any distraction is dangerous, but there's obviously a pragmatic balance to be struck otherwise we wouldn't even have cars.

See my post above yours.

But directly to your post... we lived without cars for even more than 100 years. Before the early 1900s virtually no one died from a car accident. Back then people were saying it was a dangerous machine and should not be allowed in the public's hands... sound familiar?

Today we'd say banning cars wouldn't be pragmatic. But then why isn't hands-free a pragmatic compromise to hands-on operation, especially when enforcing the prohibition of the latter is not effective? It seems to me that people will naturally use hands-free if available. Nobody wants to take their hands off the wheel.


What you've failed to realize is that playing with your phone is a distraction easily controlled...just don't do it. Other distractions, such as the one's you've mentioned, not so much. Nothing wrong with limiting risk where you can.

But I'm not talking about playing with a phone. I'm talking about asking short requests to a voice operated computer, which is what Siri is. And guess what, many cars, including BMWs already have voice command, which sometimes works, sometimes not. I've yet to hear the consumers safety commission or anyone else suggested voice command is more dangerous than actually physically changing the A/C temp or radio station, things which require one to look away from the road.

AppleMark
Jun 7, 2013, 10:18 AM
Excellent, Siri can now completely misunderstand everything I say to it, without me needing to look at it.

pirg
Jun 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
Excellent, Siri can now completely misunderstand everything I say to it, without me needing to look at it.

Your accent must be atrocious

Black107
Jun 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
Can I retro fit my 2004 X5 with this? ;)

Short answer, mostly yes.

I installed the components in this (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=720922) DIY about a year and a half ago in my 2002 3-series. I'm pretty sure the 3-series and X5 of that vintage (E46 and E53 respectively) used the same nav and head units so it probably works for either. Cost maybe $130-150 between Amazon and Ebay.

With this setup I have


Bluetooth phone over the car speakers (had to run a mic as my car didn't come with factory bluetooth module+mic)
Answer and hang up calls with the steering wheel buttons
Siri over car speakers/mic by pressing the voice command button on steering wheel.
Holding the voice command button executes redial.


It's not perfect, but combined with a spec dock (http://www.2point5.com/) + audio cable for music, it's keeping my ~12 year old car feeling fairly new and "high tech".

Not having to use a bluetooth headset or shudder iPhone headphones is worth it alone.

AppleMark
Jun 7, 2013, 11:35 AM
your accent must be atrocious

lol!

GSPice
Jun 7, 2013, 11:49 AM
Please people do not use this while driving!!! It seems safer but it is not!! I have done studies at the university of Massachusetts that proves that hands free interaction with a cell phone is no safer than hands on interaction. You are still 5x more likely to crash using a phone hands free than no phone at all. Siri is a cool idea but it should not be used In a car.

In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate can't prevent it.

We have done studies with kids and that is dangerous but that can not be prevented. As for other passengers; if you have up to 2 passengers in the car it is safer than driving alone but more than that the rate of crashes increases (all of our experiments are done on a simulator). Obviously some things have to be done and we must learn to live with the danger. But is it essential to have Siri write down something on your Calder while you drive? You can wait the 20 min to write that down when you're done driving. This seems pretty careless to me.

I understand some dangerous driving behavior can't be stopped but that doesn't mean we should use this since it is so easily avoidable.

See my post above yours.

But directly to your post... we lived without cars for even more than 100 years. Before the early 1900s virtually no one died from a car accident. Back then people were saying it was a dangerous machine and should not be allowed in the public's hands... sound familiar?

Today we'd say banning cars wouldn't be pragmatic. But then why isn't hands-free a pragmatic compromise to hands-on operation, especially when enforcing the prohibition of the latter is not effective? It seems to me that people will naturally use hands-free if available. Nobody wants to take their hands off the wheel.




But I'm not talking about playing with a phone. I'm talking about asking short requests to a voice operated computer, which is what Siri is. And guess what, many cars, including BMWs already have voice command, which sometimes works, sometimes not. I've yet to hear the consumers safety commission or anyone else suggested voice command is more dangerous than actually physically changing the A/C temp or radio station, things which require one to look away from the road.

So true. No matter how many "studies," well-meaning politicians (oxymoron?), and advancements in technology, you can't ban stupid - or legislate common sense. I don't need an expensive study to realize that not concentrating on the road while driving is dangerous.

Ironically, in my experience, eating while driving made me quite nervous; I was comfortable however with my ability to concentrate on the road while talking on the phone.

Sorry Jaredly, you're throwing water on the wrong fire.

Crzyrio
Jun 7, 2013, 12:06 PM
We have done studies with kids and that is dangerous but that can not be prevented. As for other passengers; if you have up to 2 passengers in the car it is safer than driving alone but more than that the rate of crashes increases (all of our experiments are done on a simulator). Obviously some things have to be done and we must learn to live with the danger. But is it essential to have Siri write down something on your Calder while you drive? You can wait the 20 min to write that down when you're done driving. This seems pretty careless to me.

I understand some dangerous driving behavior can't be stopped but that doesn't mean we should use this since it is so easily avoidable.

The way I see it, I would much rather people use siri to do something that have the phone in their hands and attempting to multitask

Glideslope
Jun 7, 2013, 01:03 PM
Expensive phones, expensive cars ;)

Yes, that is how the world works. ;)

abz1981
Jun 7, 2013, 01:30 PM
I wonder when Siri 'Eyes Free' will be available for Audi's. One question I want to know is that do you think this feature can be available as a software update on your car. Or would you have to buy a new model?

Surely they can provide some sort of software update and not need to buy a new car.

punitnaker
Jun 7, 2013, 01:34 PM
Anyone know which iPhone car holder they are using in the picture?

FirstNTenderbit
Jun 7, 2013, 02:15 PM
interesting to see that apple can command the automotive industry to use this feature. but this is probably because the iPod success as a music player that made this, and this is probably why google and other companies won't be catching up soon with this kind of thing.

Someone only read the title,not the OP. Samsung S Voice included as well.

MikBe
Jun 7, 2013, 02:46 PM
In that case all passengers, especially pets and children should be disallowed in cars. You should do a study on crash rates with rambunctious kids in the back seat or an overly playful dog. Or maybe a chatty SO.

Bottomline: life is dangerous. The nannystate can't prevent it.

Well, it is the case.

When you speak to people you visualize the things you are talking about, like the person's face. This uses the visual cortex and takes away from your ability to process what you're seeing in the real world.

When you are driving you have one thing to do: drive. Anything else is a distraction.

So yes, distractions in the car are equally dangerous. Instead of being a horrible parent with children everyone hates you should teach your children how to behave. Instead of letting your dog sit on your lap and stick its head out the window you should buy a cage for the back or put them in a carrier.

If you can't do those things get off the road until you can: driving is a privilege, not a right.

Regarding our Nanny State mentality: when you act like a child don't be surprise when people treat you like one.

If we don't join the din of silly voices that say, "They ought to make a law!" every time someone does something we don't like we might make a dent in getting rid of the Nanny State. But as long as we have people acting like children then screaming at anyone that tells them to cut it out we'll always have one.

ks-man
Jun 7, 2013, 02:55 PM
So it will work with Siri and SVoice but not Google Now? GNow is much better than SVoice.

macs4nw
Jun 7, 2013, 02:59 PM
.....Today we'd say banning cars wouldn't be pragmatic. But then why isn't hands-free a pragmatic compromise to hands-on operation, especially when enforcing the prohibition of the latter is not effective? It seems to me that people will naturally use hands-free if available. Nobody wants to take their hands off the wheel.....

True enough, and there is no substitute, legislated or not, for a healthy dose of common sense. I've lately actually noticed some drivers on their cellphones, pulled over. Maybe they were just killing time, but it was good to see anyway.

Future voice control in all cars, thru Siri or other, is definitely an improvement over the status quo, imho.

Tankmaze
Jun 7, 2013, 03:02 PM
Someone only read the title,not the OP. Samsung S Voice included as well.

lol, I skip the quote part. cheers

sjwr
Jun 7, 2013, 03:28 PM
Hope the very simple "press and hold button" feature comes as software update for all models with iDrive.

nrako
Jun 7, 2013, 04:03 PM
Anyone know which iPhone car holder they are using in the picture?

I'd like to know what is this iPhone car holder too. Anyone?

daviddth
Jun 7, 2013, 06:22 PM
Already in 2013 VF Holden commodores. The VE worked pretty well as well, but proper eyes free is in the VF

tascon
Jun 7, 2013, 10:18 PM
Is it 2014 yet?

AndiS.
Jun 7, 2013, 10:28 PM
as much as I love some BMWs, the company has a bewildering approach to updating their cars with new software and features . New features require buying a new car, and that will probably be the same with this feature. It should be so easy to offer features like BMW Apps on cars pre 2010, but somehow BMW does not necessarily want to keep their customers happy that way.

You can update a two year old $200 phone with the latest OS, no problem. But updating your two year old $70,000 car with the latest BMW software is a no-go (unless one is into DIY retrofitting etc.). This borders on arrogance, and actually makes me not want to buy from that company again. I'm not saying those features are too important when buying a car, but it's the least I would expect from BMW, that they offer updates, as opposed to making expensive extras outdated within months.

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True enough, and there is no substitute, legislated or not, for a healthy dose of common sense. I've lately actually noticed some drivers on their cellphones, pulled over. Maybe they were just killing time, but it was good to see anyway.

Future voice control in all cars, thru Siri or other, is definitely an improvement over the status quo, imho.

I never noticed that, but I do see many clowns here driving with a phone pressed to the ear, in cars I know to be equipped with hands-free Bluetooth systems. I might start pulling them over myself soon.

MacsRgr8
Jun 8, 2013, 03:34 AM
It would be nice if it worked with our old 2013 versions lol.

Or older 2009 models.... :o

But, hey.. very cool! Looking forward to my next BMW (hopefully 2014!)

Jsameds
Jun 8, 2013, 10:13 AM
Galaxy S4 stops functioning when you look away, Siri starts functioning when you look away :cool:

The Tuck
Jun 8, 2013, 10:35 AM
I use Siri in my car fairly regularly over Bluetooth. Unfortunately, when I'm driving above 25 mph, the ambient noise is so much that over the internal car mic, Siri can barely understand what I'm trying to say.

It's a little better if I use the built in phone microphone, but that's not as safe an option. We need better ambient noise reduction in cars for this kind of thing to be functional!

Tuck

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Anyone know which iPhone car holder they are using in the picture?

I don't know which one they're showing in the picture, but I cannot recommend the ProClip enough. I have an air vent mount in my car and LOVE it!

bedifferent
Jun 8, 2013, 11:55 AM
"Siri eyes, they're watching you!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anLfoy2XsFw)

bedifferent
Jun 8, 2013, 12:29 PM
I use Siri in my car fairly regularly over Bluetooth. Unfortunately, when I'm driving above 25 mph, the ambient noise is so much that over the internal car mic, Siri can barely understand what I'm trying to say.

What kind of car you drive? I have an '13 Infiniti G37xS and use Siri over bluetooth. Haven't had a problem recently. Initially Siri was a hot mess, requiring constant changes to dictated messages and commands. I have noticed huge improvements now. The only issue is holding down the button to initiate Siri. It simply seems BMW added a button to the steering column to initiate Siri.

Check out the 2014 Infiniti line (http://www.infinitiusa.com/all-new-q50/) due this July. They partnered with Mercedes/Daimler, and revamped all their models with Q(model number) reflecting sedans/sport vehicles and QX for all four-wheel drive models. The new tech is pretty impressive (http://www.infinitiusa.com/all-new-q50/technology/), with Siri and other mobile device integration via a second, larger display and apps such as Pandora, Facebook, Google, calendar/contact syncing, etc. The navigation simply requires tapping the destination point and the system calculates the route. NFC/Bluetooth integration for personalized driver settings. When synced all your settings - seating, climate, mirrors, music, apps, contacts, calendar, driving modes, etc. automatically load.

nick_elt
Jun 10, 2013, 09:14 AM
Is it 2014 yet?

in car years we are prob only a couple of months away

Kmotoring
Feb 16, 2014, 02:05 PM
We used the Mediabridge by Audiovox / Dice (http://www.oemautointegration.com/product/mb-1000-bmw) on my wife's M5 and it worked really well. Just hit the voice button on the steering wheel to activate.