Nokia's new Safari-based Smartphone Web Browser

[MacRumors]

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MacNCell points out (http://macncell.com/index_html/archive/2005/11/02/nokias-newly-released-s60-web-browser-uses-apple--kde-technology) Nokia's press release (http://press.nokia.com:80/PR/200511/1019239_5.html) for a new Web browser for their S60 smartphones.

Nokia today unveiled the new Web browser for its world leading smartphone software, S60 platform. The new browser is aimed to provide smartphone users with a true Web experience and industry leading performance when browsing full Web pages on the Internet using a smartphone.

Most interesting is that this new browser is based on Apple's WebCore and JavaScriptCore which is at the heart of Apple's Safari web browser. Nokia previous announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/06/20050613063116.shtml) the development of this browser in June 2005.

Apple's Phil Schiller claims "Safari Web Kit's blazing performance, efficient code base and support for open standards make it an ideal open source technology for projects like the new Web browser for S60."

Nokia's Series 60 browser site (http://www.series60.com/browser) shows images and examples of the phone's browser.

[abhishake]

Awesome, I'm the first second post.

I guess it'll be cool.. I mean, how will a web browser be significantly improved on a phone? But, if it's good for Apple, it's good for me.

[dontmatter]

For a new cell phone to be based on a crappy format by microsoft: almost inevitable, disapointing

For a new cell phone to be based off of mozilla firefox: Surprising, but logical, and quite cool.

For a new cell phone to be based on SAFARI: INCONCIEVABLE! And quite a lovely thing, I might add.

[munkle]

Probably still won't' work with iSync though...:rolleyes:

[cornfedgrowth]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...

[jmufellow]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...
The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

[abhishake]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...

I thought that was just mine...

Intriguing.... very intriguing...

[emutree]

I got to the site - and man that is one wicked browser for a phone! The zoom out navigation stuff, searching and RSS feeds are just amazing! And of course the Safari use is good.

[EricNau]

This is a good thing for Apple.

[rendezvouscp]

I'm curious about their implementation of mobile CSS: have they implemented it, or can it just be fed regular screen CSS even if there is a mobile style sheet.

I'm guessing someone will have to get their hands on it before we know.
-Chase

[thedude110]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

Your link felled even the mighty Camino ...

[Superdrive]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

Crashed.


Besides that, it's nice to see Apple getting into these places. Now why is iTunes not on this phone too?

[Stella]

Excellent.

Nokia really needed a good browser.

The IUQ (Quartz) camp licences Opera, which is really quite good - but Nokia ( Series 6x 8x 9x Nx ) didn't.. so at last they have a good browser to play with.

All the better... build upon the same code base that Safari is.

Symbian Rocks ( the Smartphone market leader )

[Omni Geno]

It's great that Safari is being noticed as a force to reckoned with.


The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

It works fine for me. OSX 10.4.2, Safari 2.0.1

[VanMac]

Slick lookin browser. Look forward to trying one out!

[jmufellow]

It's great that Safari is being noticed as a force to reckoned with.




It works fine for me. OSX 10.4.2, Safari 2.0.1
Very interesting... I'm on OSX 10.4.3, Safari 2.0.2

even if you stay on the original link without going to the "experience it" link, it will crash the browser after about 30 seconds. Or if you close the window that the link is in it will automatically quit safari.

[erickg]

Crashed.


Besides that, it's nice to see Apple getting into these places. Now why is iTunes not on this phone too?

Works fine on mine. :D Have you guys updated to 10.4.3 yet? For all of you interested in what the "Experience It" link looks like, I've added a screenshot.

[longofest]

It looks better than Safari. I like the visual history...

[munkle]

The site works fine for me (10.4.3).



Edit: beaten to it by ericg!

[Stella]

I remember reading somewhere, last year:
Nokia also invested in Mozilla.. i guess it was too bloated...

[longofest]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

Worked for me. 10.4.3. Latest Safari.

[jmufellow]

Have you guys updated to 10.4.3 yet?
yep..all updated, but still won't work.

[erickg]

yep..all updated, but still won't work.

Huh, that's odd. I'm on a new 12" iBook, would imagine that shouldn't make a difference though. Oh yeah, also I repaired permissions after installing 10.4.3, but again clueless as to whether that would make a difference.

[iEdd]

Now we just need sony ericsson to have say.. iPhoto and we have the 3 best phone brands with apple software :p

[jmufellow]

Huh, that's odd. I'm on a new 12" iBook, would imagine that shouldn't make a difference though. Oh yeah, also I repaired permissions after installing 10.4.3, but again clueless as to whether that would make a difference.
I'm on a 12" iBook too, BUT I didn't repair permissions after I installed 10.4.3...I'll give it a try and see

:edit: Nope.. repairing disk permissions didn't work :confused:

[erickg]

Stella Artois - the Goddess of Beer!

On a completely unrelated sidetrack, I lived in Leuven (Louvain) for a year. The birthplace of Stella. :) Of course, I don't drink... but still.

[Stella]

On a completely unrelated sidetrack, I lived in Leuven (Louvain) for a year. The birthplace of Stella. :) Of course, I don't drink... but still.

The Home of Good Beer :-p

[Abstract]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...


haha, that's hilarious! It crashed twice on me....and I thought, "Wow, wait to other MR members here about how ironic this is!!"

Disappointed to hear that it happened to others as well.

[gekko513]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser
Happened to me, too. The weird thing is that Safari crashed again within minutes when I was just browsing macrumors as usual.

[Vader]

Hmm. doesn't make Safari crash for me.

[jsw]

Crashed Firefox for me too.

10.4.3, latest Firefox, Safari.

Interesting....

[hob]

I'm up to date on my 12" PB, but it crashed when I first loaded it, restarted safari, reloaded page, aok!

[Mechcozmo]

So, will the smartphone pass the Acid 2 test?

Linkety (http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/)

[artifex]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

I can do you all one better; I crashed the server!


Exception report

message Internal Server Error

description The server encountered an internal error (Internal Server Error) that prevented it from fulfilling this request.

exception

org.apache.jasper.JasperException: Unable to compile class for JSP

An error occurred at line: 0 in the jsp file: /jsp/top.jsp

Generated servlet error:
[javac] Compiling 1 source file

/data/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.27/work/Standalone/localhost/_/jsp/showerror_jsp.java:651: cannot resolve symbol
symbol : variable Config
location: class org.apache.jsp.showerror_jsp
if (request.getRequestURL().indexOf(Config.getInstance().getValue("EVENTREVIEW_URL","")) != -1) {
^
1 error


at org.apache.jasper.compiler.DefaultErrorHandler.javacError(DefaultErrorHandler.java:130)
{I'm not pasting the rest}

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7

Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_09-232)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-54, mixed mode)

[MegaSignal]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser
Safari no like - at all.

[nagromme]

"Web Browser for S60"--now THAT's catchy!

Browser by Apple, name by Sony?

Anyway, by latest stats, for every 23 users of Internet Explorer in the US, there's a Safari user (and a pack of Firefox users and others). Safari's increasingly difficult to ignore.

[nagromme]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

Weird--it crashed for me, but only when I CLOSED the window.

[LimeiBook86]

I hope I can download this when it comes out...is it out?.
I have a Nokia N-Gage, the phone is awesome but with a nice slick web browser It'll be even better. The included web browser leaves much to be desired. Where's the download link!?:eek: :rolleyes:

[EricNau]

Anything else out there use Safari?
Out of all of the browsers I've used (IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox) Safari is by far the best.

[kilimanjaro]

Works fine on mine. :D Have you guys updated to 10.4.3 yet? For all of you interested in what the "Experience It" link looks like, I've added a screenshot.
Works fine for me on my '04 1.5Ghz PB.. Just curious? Which machines are having problems?:confused: :confused:

[Peterkro]

Works fine for me on my '04 1.5Ghz PB.. Just curious? Which machines are having problems?:confused: :confused:
Locked up Safari for me on 04 1.5 PB.
:confused:

[ryanw]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...

Hahaha.. yeah, I noticed that.. I'm patched to the T's... with 10.4.3, even with the latest airport update, still crashed.

[ryanw]

I'm on a 12" iBook too, BUT I didn't repair permissions after I installed 10.4.3...I'll give it a try and see

:edit: Nope.. repairing disk permissions didn't work :confused:

I am very confused by this "Mac Mentality". I am an experienced unix engineer who got into mac osx about 2 or 3 years ago. I see this talk of "repair permissions" EVERYWHERE when people talk about problems. What's the big deal about this? Is this "Mac Folklore"? How is this 'repair permissions' supposed to magically fix random crashes and how things act?? I personally have never done a repair permissions unless I'm on the phone with a mac tech support guy just to get him off my back to say, "Ok, that didn't fix it, now what?".

I see so many people friggin insane about repairing permissions before ANY and ALL updates, and then after every and all updates.

Somebody PLEASE explain where this got started and why this remains to be the remedy that is even leaps and bounds great than Marry Poppins' spoon full of sugar?

[drpaxis@mac.com]

Hi,

I have tried Safari, Mozilla and Explorer. All crash the browser. Was this a plot by the Dark Force?

[jtaylr77]

Speaking of safari....has anyone noticed that with safari teh .Mac page on Apples website screws up the font. Please tell me that it's not just my machine.

[Loke]

All this praise of Nokia and Apple for their WebCore technology - yet noone sends their thanks to the creators of this technology to begin with: The KDE team for their revolutionary KHTML rendering engine, which WebCore is based on.

(And yes, some of the code Apple contribute back to KHTML is deemed to be so poorly written, the KHTML developers refuse to merge it ;) ) Still I like Safari, but I LOVE Konqueror. Cant wait to get it native for OSX.

[Evangelion]

Excellent news for the KDE-team, and a great recognition for the hard work they have poured in to KHTML and related technologies :)!

EDIT: as to the website crashing safari: upgrade your Flash.

[lexfuzo]

Let's not forget that Apple's web kit Komes from a tight (or not-so-tight, whoever you're listening to) Kollaboration with the developers of KHTML, the rendering engine behind KDE's 'Konqueror'

[Kup]

Excellent news for the KDE-team, and a great recognition for the hard work they have poured in to KHTML and related technologies :)!

EDIT: as to the website crashing safari: upgrade your Flash.

That did the trick. Updated my Flash player and now everything is peachy. :)

[rdowns]

Has anyone else noticed that when you click on the links on the bottom of the site to the phones that support the new browser, safari crashes? kinda ironic...

Was just going to post that. Damn site, had 9 tabs opened.

[backspinner]

It's ShockWave that is crashing. It gave errors on FireFox as well, but the difference is that it didn't take the whole program down.

[agibb]

The nokia page crashed Safari... :rolleyes: :confused:

[NicP]

if only apple had teamed up with nokia instead of motorolla, they might have come out with a decent product!

[Lebannen]

Doesn't crash for me either. I'm pretty sure this is a Flash bug - make sure you have the latest version of Flash 8.

Which explains how it crashes every browser on your system if it affects it at all :)

[mad jew]

Does anyone know if the actual browser has that ugly massive white curser (Windows-style) or if that's just their in the demo?

Everyone still here? Safari still working for everyone? Am I the only one with a working Safari? :D

[urbanlung]

me crash too.

[AdeFowler]

No crashes here. 04 1.5 PB and 04 2.5 dual G5. Both with latest version of Flash installed. Seems crap that it crashes rather than saying "update Flash".

[MikeGA]

Some features do seem rather neat, especially the visual history. Apple add this for Safari 2.5!

Of course, as many have pointed out, the KHTML team deserves as much recognition, if not more, as Apple does for this.

[BornAgainMac]

I reported the link to Apple when prompted after it crashed. I hope the message reaches them rather than just going to /dev/null. Even if it is a Flash issue, Safari should be more graceful in handling the problem.

I hope to see a Phone using OSX technology to compete with phones using Mobile Windows technology. A browser based on Safari technologies is a good step forward along with phones that support H.264 video. My wishlist would be massive support for iSync and iTunes support with cool phones.

[Hattig]

The Home of Good Beer :-p

No offence, but Stella is expensive nasty lager. Certainly not comparable to many good lagers from Europe, in particular Germany and the Czech Republic. In fact many Polish (Okocim, for example), Ukrainian and Russian lagers are pretty good as well.

As an aside, that website crashed Firefox 1.5 RC1 when I clicked on Experience It.

[Renegate]

I reported the link to Apple when prompted after it crashed. I hope the message reaches them rather than just going to /dev/null. Even if it is a Flash issue, Safari should be more graceful in handling the problem.

I hope to see a Phone using OSX technology to compete with phones using Mobile Windows technology. A browser based on Safari technologies is a good step forward along with phones that support H.264 video. My wishlist would be massive support for iSync and iTunes support with cool phones.
It is shockwave - with firefox it gives an error message like - shockwave performed an illegal operation.... -just update it

[eSnow]

I am very confused by this "Mac Mentality". I am an experienced unix engineer who got into mac osx about 2 or 3 years ago. I see this talk of "repair permissions" EVERYWHERE when people talk about problems. What's the big deal about this? Is this "Mac Folklore"?

actually, it is. It does not fix any problem, but people always bring it up as a last resort after they have deleted preferences files.

On MacOS 7/8/9 the magic bullet was to "rebuild the desktop database". Usually didn't fix a freakin' thing but rumor had it it would mysteriously solve all problems. Other examples are defragging file systems, cleaning out registry keys or reinstalling Windows...

[mad jew]

actually, it is. It does not fix any problem, but people always bring it up as a last resort after they have deleted preferences files.


Actually, repairing permissions helped a member today with Mail not loading after 10.4.3. I agree though, it gets recommended far more often than it should. :)

[reykjavik]

it crashed my safari....thats irony for ya...

[ctachme]

Now why is iTunes not on this phone too?

No kidding! If there was a USB phone that had iTunes and Safari (and it worked perfectly with iSync), I would buy it in an instant!

But why is Motorola using iTunes... and Nokia Safari? They should both use both! *Prays for a merger*

[visor]

The exact same thing happened to me! Very ironic. But it is cool that they are embracing safari.

:edit: try this: go to the link provided, then click the link "experience it" on the left. Safari crashes on me everytime... http://www.series60.com/browser

Yep, I can see it, too. Absolutely fantastic and reproducable. I wonder how the page would look on the phone :).

Anyway, after installing flash 8 - no more crashes.

[Evangelion]

it crashed my safari....thats irony for ya...

Whoa! You don't say!?

[Dunepilot]

I am very confused by this "Mac Mentality". I am an experienced unix engineer who got into mac osx about 2 or 3 years ago. I see this talk of "repair permissions" EVERYWHERE when people talk about problems. What's the big deal about this? Is this "Mac Folklore"? How is this 'repair permissions' supposed to magically fix random crashes and how things act?? I personally have never done a repair permissions unless I'm on the phone with a mac tech support guy just to get him off my back to say, "Ok, that didn't fix it, now what?".

I see so many people friggin insane about repairing permissions before ANY and ALL updates, and then after every and all updates.

Somebody PLEASE explain where this got started and why this remains to be the remedy that is even leaps and bounds great than Marry Poppins' spoon full of sugar?


Yesterday I was trying to get the 10.4.3 update from Software Update and it kept refusing to install, and quitting. I repaired permissions and *hey presto* it went on fine.

Repairing permissions does solve a lot of problems. As to why, I really couldn't tell you. Something to do with application prebinding?

Dune

[blilly]

<nm>

[sparkleytone]

I am very confused by this "Mac Mentality". I am an experienced unix engineer who got into mac osx about 2 or 3 years ago. I see this talk of "repair permissions" EVERYWHERE when people talk about problems. What's the big deal about this? Is this "Mac Folklore"? How is this 'repair permissions' supposed to magically fix random crashes and how things act?? I personally have never done a repair permissions unless I'm on the phone with a mac tech support guy just to get him off my back to say, "Ok, that didn't fix it, now what?".

I see so many people friggin insane about repairing permissions before ANY and ALL updates, and then after every and all updates.

Somebody PLEASE explain where this got started and why this remains to be the remedy that is even leaps and bounds great than Marry Poppins' spoon full of sugar?

If you are a UNIX guy, it shouldn't really be all that foreign to you. If your OS is trying to directly run a program and the binary itself doesn't have execute permissions, its going to refuse to run (permission denied). Now imagine that a program you are running is running another little program which calls another little program, etc. Somewhere in the chain, the binary doesn't have execute permissions, or maybe is referencing a file it doesn't have read permissions to. If this hasn't been accounted for, behavior becomes unpredictable.

For some reason, permissions in OS X have a tendency to get really screwed up. I think it might have to do with (mostly) 3rd party software not cleaning up its own mess, and maybe a bit of leftover garbage from unexpected quits and the like.

Repairing permissions goes through your / and resets your files to the proper permissions. I don't know what it is referencing to do so, but I do know that it can solve strange problems and save you hours of troubleshooting. It takes 5 minutes or so...its worth my time even if it does nothing.

[Harbinger]

It was crashing my Safari, so I decided to try updating my flash. That did the trick, no more crashing.

[Doozy]

The site crashed my safari also

ut, I am in the market for a new phone which will allow me to check on my servers, and do light maintenance. This looks like it will do the job, especially the new N92, it sure is ugly but has a nice big screen.

I'll have to look and wee which carriers sell the phone.

[cuijian]

The crash is from Flash 7. Go download Flash 8 and everything should work OK.

I've seen the crash in Firefox, Safari and IE when using Flash 7.

CJ

[outZider]

Probably still won't' work with iSync though...:rolleyes:

Except Series 60 has been supported by iSync for quite some time. :P My old old Nokia 3650 works just fine, and iSync just installs a neat little package on the phone to be its conduit. The new E series and N series phones should work just fine. Probably a plist hack at first to make it install the sis package, and then full support in another dot release of OS X.

[ryanw]

If you are a UNIX guy, it shouldn't really be all that foreign to you. For some reason, permissions in OS X have a tendency to get really screwed up. I think it might have to do with (mostly) 3rd party software not cleaning up its own mess, and maybe a bit of leftover garbage from unexpected quits and the like.

I have been doing heavy unix administration and engineering for a good portion of my life of all flavors of unix. I have never seen permissions just randomly 'flipping around'. Sure, you can blame a 3rd party product for mucking around in the file system and changing things. The real question is what does 'repair permissions' do? What subset of files is it querying as the 'authoritive source' of information of how the permissions should be set? And if this thing exists, why can't 3rd party developers muck that up too? Very bizarre...

[hayesk]

I have been doing heavy unix administration and engineering for a good portion of my life of all flavors of unix. I have never seen permissions just randomly 'flipping around'. Sure, you can blame a 3rd party product for mucking around in the file system and changing things. The real question is what does 'repair permissions' do? What subset of files is it querying as the 'authoritive source' of information of how the permissions should be set? And if this thing exists, why can't 3rd party developers muck that up too? Very bizarre...

I believe it only fixes files that belong to the base Mac OS X system. It references what the originally installed permissions should have been. I don't know where the master list is. It will also fix files with permissions that are set to an invalid number. (e.g. owner/group settings to an invalid uid or gid which is never really valid.)

Permissions are sometimes flipped to an incorrect setting by installer programs. In the UNIX world, people didn't install software under various "admin users" with various third party installers (they're usually install scripts run under sudo), so it's not as common. It does happen sometimes though.

Fixing permissions is a bit of a red herring for most problems, often people restart after fixing the permissions, which fixes some problems by cleaning out the /tmp folder. There are a few permission-related problems, but MacFixit's recommendation of repairing your permissions before and after updating your system is a bit ludicrous as well. It's not a magic bullet.

[jusu]

So, does it run Dashboard Widgets?

[Hunts121]

no crashes here, have the most recent version of flash and you should be fine

[eSnow]

Permissions are sometimes flipped to an incorrect setting by installer programs. In the UNIX world, people didn't install software under various "admin users" with various third party installers (they're usually install scripts run under sudo), so it's not as common. It does happen sometimes though.


Any time an installer under OS X pops up the dialog requesting an admin password it effectively does a sudo - there is just no difference to installs on other Unices.

For the most parts, repairing permissions is an urban legend like update-prebinding was on 10.0. I wonder what will replace it - maybe clearing out foreign language versions?

If your system really slows down and you are not able to run top, reboot. If it stays slow, check the file systems. If they are OK, check the hardware.

[Prom1]

I suggest ALL current Series60 phone users that lost hope in the N90/91/N70 designs should take a SERIOUS SERIES60 look at the announced N80/N92 phones.

N80 slider with QUADband 850/900/1800/1900Mhz EGPRS (thats GPRS & EDGE full class 11 not 10; its not a typo its the upload speeds equaling the dl speeds in EDGE) also the 3G is ready for Cingular's upcoming 3G network 1900/2100Mhz (the later for Europe)..
And all of todays announced Nseries have the new browser that Apple has.

If anyones ever used NetFront or even Opera for the Series60 or other Symbian OS based smartphone your in for a treat if this new browsers capabilities can deliver!!

from thread http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=155908&page=15

[DrEasy]

For all of you interested in what the "Experience It" link looks like, I've added a screenshot.

But clicking on your screenshot crashed Safari!:eek:




.



(just kidding)

[eric_n_dfw]

I noticed it has Firefox-like, "find it as you type" searching - I wish Safari had that!

[artifex]

If your system really slows down and you are not able to run top, reboot. If it stays slow, check the file systems. If they are OK, check the hardware.

Mind if I add one thing? If you're having problems, and you're running beta software or nightly builds, uh... think. :)