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Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 01:52 PM
Im at work a lot and use my phone and never had an issue with pocket dialing or butt dialing but ever since i upgraded to ios7, whenever i get a text or email, my pocket decides to literally press all over the screen causing my phone to text people, call numbers, facetime, take photos, and email (all the things thats happened to me so far) without my knowledge. Ive recently added a lock screen but now it just locks my phone from too many attempts almost always. This is annoying as hell, what can i do to mend this?

chrf097
Jun 13, 2013, 01:56 PM
Don't wear tight pants and keep things that conduct out of your pocket.

The only way the screen can be active if is something conductive is on it. The OS can't change that behavior.

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
My pants arent tight, and i never EVER had this issue until i updated.my phone stays in my left pocket with nothing else in it

DDustiNN
Jun 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
Im at work a lot and use my phone and never had an issue with pocket dialing or butt dialing but ever since i upgraded to ios7, whenever i get a text or email, my pocket decides to literally press all over the screen causing my phone to text people, call numbers, facetime, take photos, and email (all the things thats happened to me so far) without my knowledge. Ive recently added a lock screen but now it just locks my phone from too many attempts almost always. This is annoying as hell, what can i do to mend this?

Try disabling Notification Center (and/or control center) from appearing on your lock screen. I bet that's what's happening. You get a message, somehow the notification center gets dragged down from the top, then stuff starts getting pressed, and boom... you've now just text "butt" to Jennifer, then called her and let her listen to your conversation about her with a co-worker ;)

Anyway, I don't know why people like having access to so much stuff from the lock screen. It completely defeats the purpose of a lock screen.

mrapplegate
Jun 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
Keep your phone somewhere else :roll eyes:

I've yet to see this and this is the first I've heard about it. I'm not sure what you can do other than keep the phone stored in another location.

chrf097
Jun 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
My pants arent tight, and i never EVER had this issue until i updated.my phone stays in my left pocket with nothing else in it

I'm going to have to call BS here, because the way the screen is designed, only things that can conduct, such as your flesh, can activate the screen, and unless you have your phone pressed up against your skin or you're carrying materials that can conduct on the screen, that can't happen.

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 02:03 PM
Try disabling Notification Center (and/or control center) from appearing on your lock screen. I bet that's what's happening. You get a message, somehow the notification center gets dragged down from the top, then stuff starts getting pressed, and boom... you've now just text "butt" to Jennifer, then called her and let her listen to your conversation about her with a co-worker ;)

Anyway, I don't know why people like having access to so much stuff from the lock screen. It completely defeats the purpose of a lock screen.

I turned off my notification center to see if it helps. Really i use it to see whos messaging me and if its important to take. To the people saying put my phone else where, i need my phone on persons all day.

DDustiNN
Jun 13, 2013, 02:04 PM
I'm going to have to call BS here, because the way the screen is designed, only things that can conduct, such as your flesh, can activate the screen, and unless you have your phone pressed up against your skin or you're carrying materials that can conduct on the screen, that can't happen.

No, that's not true. Try placing your shirt over your screen and using your phone... let me know what happens ;)

It's very possible (and highly likely) that, since his pocket is very thin, the skin from his leg is causing screen presses.

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I turned off my notification center to see if it helps. Really i use it to see whos messaging me and if its important to take. To the people saying put my phone else where, i need my phone on persons all day.

Just to be clear, I meant the actual Notification Center pull-down itself. Not the text message notifications that appear on your lock screen when you get a message. I don't think those do anything when tapped anyway, do they? But from the Notification Center, it will take you to the message of course. Hope that works :D

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 02:05 PM
I'm going to have to call BS here, because the way the screen is designed, only things that can conduct, such as your flesh, can activate the screen, and unless you have your phone pressed up against your skin or you're carrying materials that can conduct on the screen, that can't happen.

Why would i lie? Im wearing baggy shorts... Same shorts i wear everyday.

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And this was never an issue until i updated people!!! Ive had my iphone for a year never ran into this problem.

FourOhFour
Jun 13, 2013, 02:06 PM
Don't wear tight pants and keep things that conduct out of your pocket.

The only way the screen can be active if is something conductive is on it. The OS can't change that behavior.

No, but by allowing you to swipe to unlock anywhere on the screen, the OS can make it easier for the phone to be unlocked by random objects. The entire point of the lock screen is so you don't have to worry about butt dialing. If we're just gonna say "don't keep conductive stuff near your phone", why bother having the lock screen at all?

If this turns out to be a more widespread issue, I'd expect the slide to unlock to be changed to be less sensitive... perhaps not reverting to the old icon at the bottom of the screen, but maybe require a straighter swipe.

Having said all that... in the mean time, don't put your phone in the same pocket as your keys or whatever is unlocking your phone.

chrf097
Jun 13, 2013, 02:06 PM
Why would i lie? Im wearing baggy shorts... Same shorts i wear everyday.

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And this was never an issue until i updated people!!! Ive had my iphone for a year never ran into this problem.

Then I have absolutely no idea how that is happening. Your phone must be defective then.

gforce216
Jun 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Downgrade to iOS 6. If you have a problem with the beta then that's your answer.

DDustiNN
Jun 13, 2013, 02:08 PM
Why would i lie? Im wearing baggy shorts... Same shorts i wear everyday.

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And this was never an issue until i updated people!!! Ive had my iphone for a year never ran into this problem.

That's why I think it's the Notification Center. I don't think you could access that from the lock screen in iOS 6, but it's turned on by default in iOS 7. Also, it only takes a small flick to get the pull-down to expand, unlike the longer swipe that it takes to unlock the phone (which is why nothing ever happened to you with iOS 6). So while you're moving around, your leg hits the top of the screen just right and opens the notification pull-down, then taps the message, and goes to work. That's my guess, at least.

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 02:08 PM
No, but by allowing you to swipe to unlock anywhere on the screen, the OS can make it easier for the phone to be unlocked by random objects. The entire point of the lock screen is so you don't have to worry about butt dialing. If we're just gonna say "don't keep conductive stuff near your phone", why bother having the lock screen at all?

If this turns out to be a more widespread issue, I'd expect the slide to unlock to be changed to be less sensitive... perhaps not reverting to the old icon at the bottom of the screen, but maybe require a straighter swipe.

Having said all that... in the mean time, don't put your phone in the same pocket as your keys or whatever is unlocking your phone.

My phone has its own dedicated pocket with nothing else in it.

FourOhFour
Jun 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
My phone has its own dedicated pocket with nothing else in it.

Hmm. Zipper? Rivets? Screen facing you or facing out? There really aren't that many things that the touchscreen registers as a touch... skin or something conductive (even through something non-conductive if it is thin enough).

beaniemyman
Jun 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
same here, my phone's dialing numbers, replying to text, messing the camera etc. and couldn't find anything useful on the net.:(

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 02:17 PM
Hmm. Zipper? Rivets? Screen facing you or facing out? There really aren't that many things that the touchscreen registers as a touch... skin or something conductive (even through something non-conductive if it is thin enough).

Regular pocket, facing either or it does it

Geckotek
Jun 13, 2013, 02:18 PM
I'm going to have to call BS here, because the way the screen is designed, only things that can conduct, such as your flesh, can activate the screen, and unless you have your phone pressed up against your skin or you're carrying materials that can conduct on the screen, that can't happen.

I'm gonna debunk your BS call and tell you that mine conducts in my pocket all the time if I use Siri. Without activating Siri I have no issues, but as soon as I do activate Siri I notice Siri will cut off before I complete speaking because something in my pocket has caused it to detect a button press. It could be moisture due to humidity or something of that nature, but just calling what this guy is saying BS is....well....BS.

I also had to carry an Android for work for a bit. On a hot humid day out doing a photo shoot, Android in back pocket w/o a lock screen activated, called 911 with my butt multiple times before they started calling me back to see what was going on.

C DM
Jun 13, 2013, 02:23 PM
The bigger change in iOS 7 that might be behind this is that now to unlock the phone completely (without a passcode) or to get to the screen where you enter a passcode, you can slide the lock screen to the right pretty much anywhere.

Not only that, but you only have to slide over just about 1/4 of the screen area for it to get activated.

In previous iOS versions you only have a smallish area at the bottom where the slider button is to slide, and you had to slide it almost all the way to the other side to unlock, but in this version you can do it pretty much anywhere on the screen, and only have to move it just a little to the right to take effect, making it that much easier to do it (yourself or accidentally).

chrf097
Jun 13, 2013, 03:19 PM
No, that's not true. Try placing your shirt over your screen and using your phone... let me know what happens ;)

It's very possible (and highly likely) that, since his pocket is very thin, the skin from his leg is causing screen presses.[COLOR="#808080"]


That's why if you read what I said, you would have noticed I said "unless you have your phone pressed up against your skin or you're carrying materials that can conduct on the screen". :rolleyes:

I'm gonna debunk your BS call and tell you that mine conducts in my pocket all the time if I use Siri. Without activating Siri I have no issues, but as soon as I do activate Siri I notice Siri will cut off before I complete speaking because something in my pocket has caused it to detect a button press. It could be moisture due to humidity or something of that nature, but just calling what this guy is saying BS is....well....BS.

I also had to carry an Android for work for a bit. On a hot humid day out doing a photo shoot, Android in back pocket w/o a lock screen activated, called 911 with my butt multiple times before they started calling me back to see what was going on.

Chances are moisture could cause it, but the claim it's the fault of the OS is wrong. The OS can't affect the technology of the screen.

nepalisherpa
Jun 13, 2013, 03:22 PM
OP is just too excited about iOS 7 and something else is touching his screen. :cool:

eclipseblur954
Jun 13, 2013, 03:24 PM
I haven't experienced this, BUT i can see the apple emergency keynote now. "There's nothing wrong, you're just holding it wrong" While a silent update happens a week after that solves the issue.

fishkorp
Jun 13, 2013, 04:09 PM
I also had this issue, only on iOS 7. So I think it's the new unlock mechanism. While cutting the grass on Tuesday, my phone in my pocket, locked, called 1 person, opened an email, and also opened Messages.app. This phone never did that on iOS 6 (iPhone 5) in the same shorts that I always wear cutting the grass. I turned on a pass code for the lock screen and it hasn't happened since. The slide to unlock is way too sensitive now. I filed a bug report after reading it happens to multiple people.

BlueGummiBear
Jun 13, 2013, 06:12 PM
Don't you guys worry. Apple will be giving out free neon colored (to match iOS 7's colors) fanny packs after unlock-gate happens.

theinstructor
Jun 13, 2013, 06:35 PM
TBH here, this same issue happened to me today, I was like wtf is going on?!? My phone is in my pocket doing all kinds of stuff. Never seen that on prior versions of iOS. And yes my phone was screen locked.

snappyfool
Jun 13, 2013, 06:43 PM
The OS can't affect the technology of the screen.

No but it can have a poorer lockscreen which requires too minimal a gesture to unlock or a huge target zone in which to do that gesture to unlock. If the OS allowed you to unlock a phone with the lightest and briefest tap that it could detect anywhere on the screen that would be a problem with OS having a stupid lock screen. It's an extreme example, but it shows that it's conceivable that a update to iOS could bring on different behaviour like this.

FlatlinerG
Jun 13, 2013, 06:46 PM
There is one obvious test here and that is to restore it to 6.1.x and see if it continues to happen with the shorts you wear everyday.

C DM
Jun 13, 2013, 07:27 PM
There is one obvious test here and that is to restore it to 6.1.x and see if it continues to happen with the shorts you wear everyday.Seems like that test was already performed, technically speaking, since the poster mentioned this didn't happen when the phone was running iOS 6 and the same shorts were used in prior instances.

ijohn.8.80
Jun 13, 2013, 07:34 PM
This is annoying as hell, what can i do to mend this?

Try turning your phone the other way around so the conductive screen faces outwards and away from your body.

FlatlinerG
Jun 13, 2013, 07:54 PM
Seems like that test was already performed, technically speaking, since the poster mentioned this didn't happen when the phone was running iOS 6 and the same shorts were used in prior instances.

But we could call it coincidence until he puts it back to iOS 6 and reports on whether or not the issue still occurs.

EmbraceTheOne
Jun 13, 2013, 07:55 PM
Turn it around?

C DM
Jun 13, 2013, 08:04 PM
But we could call it coincidence until he puts it back to iOS 6 and reports on whether or not the issue still occurs.How so? If it didn't happen with iOS 6, and now happens with iOS 7, why is that just coincidence? Are you saying that something just happened to happen with the phone at the exact time that iOS 7 wasn't installed to make it work differently, and would have happened the same way with iOS 6 anyway at that time? Now that would be quite a coincidence.

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Try turning your phone the other way around so the conductive screen faces outwards and away from your body.Turn it around?The downside there (and potentially a big one) is that there's more of a chance of something coming in contact with the front of the pocket and thus the screen of the phone (through the thin layer of clothing), compared to not much of a chance of that when the phone faces the inside and is against the body (through a thin layer of clothing).

FlatlinerG
Jun 13, 2013, 08:27 PM
How so? If it didn't happen with iOS 6, and now happens with iOS 7, why is that just coincidence? Are you saying that something just happened to happen with the phone at the exact time that iOS 7 wasn't installed to make it work differently, and would have happened the same way with iOS 6 anyway at that time? Now that would be quite a coincidence.



I don't understand how you can't see my point. The poster is claiming that this is an iOS 7 issue. How can we effectively determine that this is an iOS 7 issue and not just a coincidence? Answer: remove iOS 7 from the device. If the issue still persists, then it was not iOS 7. If the issue is resolved, then it was an iOS 7 software issue.

Fairly straight forward troubleshooting.

C DM
Jun 13, 2013, 08:35 PM
I don't understand how you can't see my point. The poster is claiming that this is an iOS 7 issue. How can we effectively determine that this is an iOS 7 issue and not just a coincidence? Answer: remove iOS 7 from the device. If the issue still persists, then it was not iOS 7. If the issue is resolved, then it was an iOS 7 software issue.

Fairly straight forward troubleshooting.That is certainly a way that would show it. However, if this wasn't an issue all along prior to installing iOS 7, and suddenly became an issue right after iOS 7 was installed, doesn't that say something? Can it be a coincidence? Sure, perhaps. Is it more likely connected to iOS 7 being installed given that it started happening right after it was installed? Yes, that seems at least somewhat more likely than simply a coincidence.

Now, sure, if you want to rule out statistical anomalies and be even closer to being 100% sure, yes, I would agree, it would make sense to get iOS 6 back on and give it all a try again (and perhaps even then put iOS 7 on again and check again). That will make it even more likely.

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 13, 2013, 10:13 PM
Ive switched back to iOS 6 to see if it would be a coincidence and somehow my phone messed up the same time i installed iOS 7. My phone never unlocked once in my same short pockets (just like before i updated). Then i installed iOS 7 again, pocket unlocking is back at it again. It's definitely the lock screen sensitivity imo. I sent apple a bug report, just hoping its fixed soon.

dominic252
Jun 13, 2013, 11:47 PM
You aren't alone. I noticed this when someone is calling me and I reach in my pocket to get my phone, I have already answered the phone call by touching the screen

C DM
Jun 14, 2013, 12:35 AM
You aren't alone. I noticed this when someone is calling me and I reach in my pocket to get my phone, I have already answered the phone call by touching the screenStrange, that seems to still require the same kind of swipe as it did in iOS 6 and before (even though it looks different).

mirzank
Jun 14, 2013, 01:43 AM
hey to the poster who for no reason is calling BS on other peoples issues, i'm calling BS on you calling BS.

I just posted a thread with exactly the same issue.

Have been on the iphone bandwagon since the 3g, upgrade every year, and NEVER EVER have i ever pocket dialled anyone, sent random sms'es, or any issue of this sort really.

My habits haven't changed since ios 2, and they sure as hell didn't suddenly change in the 3 days since beta 1.

Since it came out i've made about a dozen pocket dialed calls, sent a few garbled sms'es, gone to the emergency screen and tried to dial random numbers, locked my phone a few times for too many unlock attempts, and sent my location once in a whatsapp message. oh and those calls...two were to x-gf's, and the location on wahtsapp was to the worst possible person on my addressbook. its like my iphone is really trying to F with me.

And as for the claim that its tight pants... well let me tell you i'm on vacation this week and i've been wearing very lose pj's. i don't think they make hipster tight pj's where i am. Also went out wearing khakis and jeans (not the skinny variety)... my phone ALWASY goes into its own pocket with no keys or ANYTHING else.

this is getting ridiculous. My phone is set with a passcode lock, but i also set it to activate the code only after 5 minutes inactivity (its been the same setting for years... nothing has changed in my habits in the past 3 days )

I swear once my phone was just sitting on a table and i picked it up and saw 3 dialed and cancelled calls. maybe i just didn't notice them earlier but it seems like it just dialled sitting there.
I love the new slide anywhere lock screen, but seeing all these issues i am really admiring those initial ios designers for the foresight and ingenuity of having a slide to unlock localized in a specific area.

Holty123
Jun 14, 2013, 05:04 AM
You're holding it wrong!
lol
sorry

jayenh
Jun 14, 2013, 05:20 AM
Keep your phone somewhere else :roll eyes:


Wow, this is as bad as "you're holding it wrong". How silly of someone to expect to be able to put their phone in their pocket :rollseyes:

mirzank
Jun 14, 2013, 05:36 AM
Wow, this is as bad as "you're holding it wrong". How silly of someone to expect to be able to put their phone in their pocket :rollseyes:

that comment must be a distant relative of the "hey if you want more than 4 hours battery life, turn off data, turn off gps, turn off everything, turn off your phone, it will last you weeks" comment.

Hey i have a better solution. Don't want your phone to unlock in your pocket? I have a solution. leave it at home. problem solved.

qtaran111
Jun 14, 2013, 05:38 AM
Yep happened to me too last night. I took my phone out of my pocket and it was disabled for two minutes due to too many incorrect passcode tries.

I thought I'd turned the screen off, but hadn't. The iOS 7 swipe to unlock is now so simple that the brush of my leg through pocket material of my shorts is enough to move to the enter passcode screen and same effect means my leg is entering incorrect passcodes.

Not a bug, but more a behavioural thing to get used to.

dominic252
Jun 14, 2013, 07:59 AM
Strange, that seems to still require the same kind of swipe as it did in iOS 6 and before (even though it looks different).

Yeah I have no idea why or how it's happening, but it is

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 14, 2013, 09:34 AM
My phone is back at it again after putting it upside down, facing the other way. 5 minute disable time.

mrapplegate
Jun 14, 2013, 09:37 AM
Wow, this is as bad as "you're holding it wrong". How silly of someone to expect to be able to put their phone in their pocket :rollseyes:

In all seriousness it's a beta. OP is the first I have heard of having this problem. It's a legitimate solution to his problem.

f00f
Jun 14, 2013, 09:58 AM
I've had similiar issues using Siri via the wired earbuds with the remote button (iOS 6). If I have the phone in my shirt pocket (facing in or out, doesn't seem to matter) and activate Siri w/ the remote, she'd immediately be deactivated by the on-screen mic button. Perhaps too much static in my body or clothes. :confused: But I bet the proximity sensor could be leveraged in a useful way...

err404
Jun 14, 2013, 01:59 PM
Strange, that seems to still require the same kind of swipe as it did in iOS 6 and before (even though it looks different).

In iOS 7 there are many more gestures that will activate functionality from the lock screen. In addition to swiping up and down, the main side swipe is far easier to execute. For example you can drag a steeper diagonals and the starting point can be anywhere on the screen.
If a lock screens purpose is to prevent accidental input, then the iOS 7 implementation fails.
I always thought that the "slide along a path" that iOS 1 implemented was brilliant. It addressed a real issue in a seamless and nearly fool proof maner. As you begin adding more to functionally to the lock screen, the design gets further away from its purpose. Honestly if you want to add that much functionality to the lock screen, just get rid of it. Lock screens are turning into a second Homescreen.

stephen1108
Jun 14, 2013, 02:02 PM
I have the same issue too, especially with answer calls. It's FAR too sensitive. It's gotten to the point where I have my password lock set for immediate so my phone doesn't unlock while it's in my pocket and start doing things I don't want it to.

Jimbo47
Jun 14, 2013, 03:36 PM
As everybody else said, you're holding it wrong.. or rather.. pocketing it wrong? I don't know. Technically if the screen is facing out, there shouldn't be anything to interact with the screen unless you walk with your hands down to your sides and slightly in front with your palms or wrists resting on your pocket directly over the screen. Which in that case, you're just weird and/or awkward. Who walks like that?

johndallas999
Jun 14, 2013, 03:38 PM
Im at work a lot and use my phone and never had an issue with pocket dialing or butt dialing but ever since i upgraded to ios7, whenever i get a text or email, my pocket decides to literally press all over the screen causing my phone to text people, call numbers, facetime, take photos, and email (all the things thats happened to me so far) without my knowledge. Ive recently added a lock screen but now it just locks my phone from too many attempts almost always. This is annoying as hell, what can i do to mend this?

I've noticed this as well on the new version. Very annoying

rmeadejr
Jun 14, 2013, 03:40 PM
I've noticed this as well on the new version. Very annoying

has this bug been reported to apple, yet?

C DM
Jun 14, 2013, 04:04 PM
In iOS 7 there are many more gestures that will activate functionality from the lock screen. In addition to swiping up and down, the main side swipe is far easier to execute. For example you can drag a steeper diagonals and the starting point can be anywhere on the screen.
If a lock screens purpose is to prevent accidental input, then the iOS 7 implementation fails.
I always thought that the "slide along a path" that iOS 1 implemented was brilliant. It addressed a real issue in a seamless and nearly fool proof maner. As you begin adding more to functionally to the lock screen, the design gets further away from its purpose. Honestly if you want to add that much functionality to the lock screen, just get rid of it. Lock screens are turning into a second Homescreen.While I definitely agree with what you are saying about the lockscreen, that particular reply was in reference to what is offered to answer a call when it's coming in while the phone is locked--in that case there's only a small slider for the actual answer call button, similar to how it is in iOS 6 (and previous versions)--it looks different, but the slider target area itself and its functionality is about the same.

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As everybody else said, you're holding it wrong.. or rather.. pocketing it wrong? I don't know. Technically if the screen is facing out, there shouldn't be anything to interact with the screen unless you walk with your hands down to your sides and slightly in front with your palms or wrists resting on your pocket directly over the screen. Which in that case, you're just weird and/or awkward. Who walks like that?Wrong or not, if something like that can even exist/apply, the point is that the lockscreen is much more responsive than before, which isn't necessarily a great thing for a lockscreen since it's main feature is to keep the phone locked until a very specific and intentional user initiated action gets it to unlock.

err404
Jun 14, 2013, 05:23 PM
While I definitely agree with what you are saying about the lockscreen, that particular reply was in reference to what is offered to answer a call when it's coming in while the phone is locked--in that case there's only a small slider for the actual answer call button, similar to how it is in iOS 6 (and previous versions)--it looks different, but the slider target area itself and its functionality is about the same.

Sorry. I didn't mean to mis-characterize your post.
While the overall gesture appears to be essentially the same as iOS 6, I wonder if the call answer swipe has a similarly reduced precision requirement to what is observed on the lock screen. I'll need to test it out tonight.

bigchrisfgb
Jun 14, 2013, 07:43 PM
Just keep reporting the bug, this is what Beta's are for and why I keep away from them.

Smokedoutstaley
Jun 14, 2013, 10:05 PM
As everybody else said, you're holding it wrong.. or rather.. pocketing it wrong? I don't know. Technically if the screen is facing out, there shouldn't be anything to interact with the screen unless you walk with your hands down to your sides and slightly in front with your palms or wrists resting on your pocket directly over the screen. Which in that case, you're just weird and/or awkward. Who walks like that?

I work in a warehouse and often have an issue with objects knocking into me, Sometimes on my phone. I face it toward my leg to protect the screen, case attached aswell. Never have I had this happen in ios 6. Not holding it wrong, the sensitivity is extremely high.