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zimv20
Nov 4, 2005, 05:57 PM
link (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/11/03/news/cheney.php)


WASHINGTON Vice President Dick Cheney's office was responsible for directives that led to U.S. soldiers' abusing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, a former top State Department official said Thursday.

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, then the secretary of state, told National Public Radio he had traced a trail of memos and directives authorizing questionable detention practices up through Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's office directly to Cheney's staff.

"The secretary of defense under cover of the vice president's office," Wilkerson said, "regardless of the president having put out this memo" - "they began to authorize procedures within the armed forces that led to what we've seen."

He said the directives contradicted a 2002 order by President George W. Bush for the U.S. military to abide by the Geneva conventions against torture.

"There was a visible audit trail from the vice president's office through the secretary of defense, down to the commanders in the field," authorizing practices that led to the abuse of detainees, Wilkerson said.

The directives were "in carefully couched terms," Wilkerson conceded, but said they had the effect of loosening the reins on U.S. troops, leading to many cases of prisoner abuse, including at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, that were contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

"If you are a military man, you know that you just don't do these sorts of things," Wilkerson said, because troops will take advantage, or feel so pressured to obtain information that "they have to do what they have to do to get it."

He said that Powell had assigned him to investigate the matter after reports emerged in the media about U.S. troops abusing detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both men had formerly served in the U.S. military.

Wilkerson also called David Addington, the vice president's lawyer, "a staunch advocate of allowing the president in his capacity as commander in chief to deviate from the Geneva Conventions."

On Monday, Cheney promoted Addington to his chief of staff to replace I. Lewis Libby, who has been indicted over the unmasking of a CIA agent.

Wilkerson also told National Public Radio that Cheney's office ran an "alternate national security staff" that spied on and undermined the president's formal National Security Council.

He said National Security Council staff stopped sending e-mails when they found out Cheney's staff members were reading their messages.

He said he believed that Cheney's staff prevented Bush from seeing a National Security Council memo arguing strongly that the United States needed many more troops for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Wilkerson also said that the former CIA chief George Tenet did not inform Cheney's office of key weaknesses in the government's argument that Saddam Hussein had or was seeking weapons of mass destruction.

That argument was central to the Bush administration's justifications for the Iraq war.

Wilkerson has also said recently that Cheney and Rumsfeld operated a "cabal" that hijacked U.S. foreign and military policy.



skunk
Nov 4, 2005, 06:10 PM
So, basically, George W is just a good ol' boy being outmanoeuvred by Cheney and Rumsfeld? Where does Condi stand in this scenario? Who is in charge?

solvs
Nov 4, 2005, 08:06 PM
Where does Condi stand in this scenario?
She's buying shoes and playing tennis.

Who is in charge?
I think I have a pretty good idea.

http://www.tagnet.org/rousse/gallery/influence%20of%20satan.jpg.

leekohler
Nov 4, 2005, 08:15 PM
Is it any wonder Powell quit after W's first term? I have often wondered what they threatened Powell with to get him to bang the war drums. Paybacks are a b****.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 4, 2005, 08:21 PM
I liked Powell, Sounds like more and more this war was pushed through by Cheney and Bush was his yes man? Libby took the fall for Cheney i think its very clear but can anyone prove it?

3rdpath
Nov 4, 2005, 08:24 PM
Is it any wonder Powell quit after W's first term? I have often wondered what they threatened Powell with to get him to bang the war drums. Paybacks are a b****.

I believe that Wilkerson previously said that Powell was just too much of a good soldier to disagree with the administration's stance.

Powell's main fault is he's confused serving his country with serving this administration.

leekohler
Nov 4, 2005, 08:27 PM
I believe that Wilkerson previously said that Powell was just too much of a good soldier to disagree with the administration's stance.

Powell's main fault is he's confused serving his country with serving this administration.

And most likely, when realizing his mistake, quit. Damn! I wish congress wasn't mostly Republican right now. We'd be verging on impeachment.

Sayhey
Nov 4, 2005, 08:47 PM
I'm just waiting to find out that Wilkerson is not only a disgruntled former careerist who was passed over by the wise men in the White House, but also gay, a life-long supported of the ACLU, and a secret member of John Kerry's French class. After all, just because he joins a growing number of former administration staffers who are blowing the whistle on their old bosses, it doesn't mean they all aren't lying through their teeth about our fearless leaders.

tristan
Nov 4, 2005, 08:48 PM
This is a very strange article. What exactly did Cheney authorize? And why would the VP have the authority over the military? And it mentions that Cheney withheld an NSC memo from Bush about Iraq troop levels. Wouldn't Rice have just given him the memo? And what's this thing about an "alternative security staff"? This article raises many more questions than it answers.

pseudobrit
Nov 4, 2005, 08:56 PM
I'm just waiting to find out that Wilkerson is not only a disgruntled former careerist who was passed over by the wise men in the White House, but also gay, a life-long supported of the ACLU, and a secret member of John Kerry's French class. After all, just because he joins a growing number of former administration staffers who are blowing the whistle on their old bosses, it doesn't mean they all aren't lying through their teeth about our fearless leaders.

I hear he's getting a book deal.

Sayhey
Nov 4, 2005, 09:05 PM
I hear he's getting a book deal. There you have it! Proof it all must be lies.:rolleyes:

mactastic
Nov 5, 2005, 10:12 AM
There you have it! Proof it all must be lies.:rolleyes:
Unless it's Louis Freeh. He's a straight shooter who's telling nothing but the truth in his book!


And lets remember folks, it's not like this would be Powell's first involvement in a government cover-up. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)

Colin Powell, then a young US Army Major, was charged with investigating the massacre. Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Later, Powell's refutation would be called an act of "white-washing" the news of the Massacre, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public.
After this act, Powell's career skyrocketed. He may be a loyal soldier, but that's not always a good quality.

3rdpath
Nov 5, 2005, 02:22 PM
And lets remember folks, it's not like this would be Powell's first involvement in a government cover-up. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)


After this act, Powell's career skyrocketed. He may be a loyal soldier, but that's not always a good quality.

Wow, I'd never seen that...thanks.

skunk
Nov 5, 2005, 05:29 PM
And lets remember folks, it's not like this would be Powell's first involvement in a government cover-up. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre)


After this act, Powell's career skyrocketed. He may be a loyal soldier, but that's not always a good quality.Hey, I quoted that one months ago! Powell is a loyal gang member to the point of being a total sell-out.

toontra
Nov 5, 2005, 05:44 PM
Hey, I quoted that one months ago! Powell is a loyal gang member to the point of being a total sell-out.

Powell's UN presentation was probably the single biggest collection of exaggeration, omission and downright lies in any single speech in the build-up to war, and has been said, was instrumental in boosting homeland support for the war (though let's not forget it was rather less successful with the UN delegates themselves!).

The sad fact is that Powell was in a position to know that what he was saying was highly probably, if not definitely, ********. That being the case, I see him as being equally as culpable as Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush - perhaps even worse, as I truly believe his instinct was telling him that what he was doing was wrong.

mactastic
Nov 5, 2005, 07:30 PM
Hey, I quoted that one months ago! Powell is a loyal gang member to the point of being a total sell-out.
I've pointed it out in the past as well; there's always at least one person out there each time who says "Holy crap, I had no idea!", so it's worth pointing out again and again.

I want to like Powell, but a pattern of willingness to engage in these acts is unacceptable IMO. The character trait of 'the good soldier' only goes so far with me.