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MacRumors
Jun 16, 2013, 10:21 PM
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During Apple's WWDC keynote, the company revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/12/upcoming-ios-7-apis-gaming-improvements-multitasking-support-airdrop-and-more/) that it would begin supporting MFi (Made for iPhone) certified gaming controllers. Since then, new details have emerged, suggesting that Apple is planning to partner (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/13/apple-working-with-logitech-and-moga-on-upcoming-mfi-game-controllers/) with both Logitech and MOGA to work on the controllers.

Apple has thus far provided reference images displaying two different controller types; one that is a standalone handheld controller and another that is an iPhone enclosure. Kotaku today posted (http://kotaku.com/heres-a-look-at-one-of-the-iphones-new-game-controlle-513662469) an image of the latter controller type, which the site says has been manufactured by Logitech (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/home).

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/firstmficontroller.jpgWith Steve Jobs no longer around to tell us these things aren't elegant enough for his device, it appears we'll finally get a proper gamepad for the iOS this year. This will be one of them, made by Logitech.

Can't tell you who gave it to us or where it was seen, but we can vouch for this image's authenticity. The controller is large enough to fit an iPhone 5. When iOS 7 introduces third-party controller support in the fall we'll see this thing, plus a bunch of others, probably. Apple evidently won't be making its own.The image, which depicts what is probably an early prototype, shows a d-pad on the left side of the controller with a set of buttons on the right side. It looks fairly slim, and also sports a lightning connector. As our sister site TouchArcade (http://toucharcade.com/2013/06/16/is-this-the-first-made-for-iphone-controller/) points out, given the thriving iPhone and iPad accessory market, this is just the first of many controllers that will likely hit the market later this fall.

Article Link: Potential First Image of MFi Gaming Controller Surfaces (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/16/potential-first-image-of-mfi-gaming-controller-surfaces/)



Henriok
Jun 16, 2013, 10:35 PM
That's not a joystick to the left, it's a D-pad.
This device is using the standard profile of the MFi Game Controller specification.

Richdmoore
Jun 16, 2013, 10:48 PM
I am more interested in the stand alone controller (for both iPhone & iPad use) but still cool that apple is allowing both "case type" and gamepad type options in IOS 7.

I assume the lightning connection would either allow direct input (vs bluetooth) or allow the extra space in the controller to be used for an auxiliary battery. (Actually, it might work the other way, allow the iPhone's battery to power the controller case.)

Andronicus
Jun 16, 2013, 10:50 PM
Come on, we can do better than this.

Technarchy
Jun 16, 2013, 10:52 PM
iPhone already has pretty beefy graphic pushing abilities. Apple can easily encroach on the Vita and DS with a proper controller for the iPhone.

theelysium
Jun 16, 2013, 11:09 PM
No, no , no logitec!

It needs to be a FPS style like the WiiU Pro!

You can no longer game with an NES style controller! Two analog sticks under each thumb & the buttons below, done!

ogun7
Jun 16, 2013, 11:42 PM
Do y'all think they'll use some adapter for the iPod touch? Or manufacture separate case style controllers?

dukebound85
Jun 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
this concept is sooooooo old. Make it a reality please

macaddict06
Jun 16, 2013, 11:49 PM
So we're "finally" seeing a prototype of what Tim Cook already showed us on Monday?!? WOW GUYS!!!!!!

Yawn.

Game controller is an interesting and important topic, but I'm glad this "news" came out now, as I needed something to help put me to sleep on a Sunday night.

TMar
Jun 16, 2013, 11:50 PM
Ben (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc46mp8Ou9w) done...

(^pun)

ConCat
Jun 16, 2013, 11:53 PM
Goodbye Nintendo.

iPhone already has pretty beefy graphic pushing abilities. Apple can easily encroach on the Vita and DS with a proper controller for the iPhone.

Easily... I find that the main appeal of the DS and Vita is the physical controls. The iPhone's screen is wonderful for gameplay, and as you said, the GPU they come with tend to be quite capable. Just look at Infinity Blade II. Nintendo was hemorrhaging money in 2012, so I can't imagine they'll exist for much longer.

commander.data
Jun 17, 2013, 12:23 AM
This does put pressure on the 3DS and Vita, but I think the nVidia Shield will feel the most direct impact. 3DS and Vita have dedicated games can draw people to those platforms whereas the nVidia Shield is offering slightly enhanced mobile games with physical controls. Yes it can stream games from PC, but then I'd think most people would rather just play on PC with keyboard and mouse. With iOS devices having the option of officially supported physical controls now too, I think the $349 Shield is going to have even more difficulty finding a market.

TMar
Jun 17, 2013, 12:31 AM
This does put pressure on the 3DS and Vita, but I think the nVidia Shield will feel the most direct impact. 3DS and Vita have dedicated games can draw people to those platforms whereas the nVidia Shield is offering slightly enhanced mobile games with physical controls. Yes it can stream games from PC, but then I'd think most people would rather just play on PC with keyboard and mouse. With iOS devices having the option of officially supported physical controls now too, I think the $349 Shield is going to have even more difficulty finding a market.

That would be true if the shield was limited to android games or that games aren't being developed directly for it, but it's not. Games developed for the shield and to take advantage of the hardware along with PC games being streamable to it puts it in a different category well above a iOS controller...

Jayse
Jun 17, 2013, 12:32 AM
The photo is blurry enough, so it must be legit!

portishead
Jun 17, 2013, 01:01 AM
Sweet, cool concept, but I would also like a standalone controller to use for the iPad.

APlotdevice
Jun 17, 2013, 01:13 AM
My concern is whether this controller has shoulder buttons? IMO this is where conventional iOS controls are lacking the most. (afterwhich would be d-pads, then face buttons. I think the touchscreen does an acceptable job of mimicking an analog stick.)

petsounds
Jun 17, 2013, 01:59 AM
Considering these were shown during a certain WWDC session, someone is seriously breaking their developer NDA by posting this. Their word obviously means nothing to them.

Mactendo
Jun 17, 2013, 03:15 AM
With Steve Jobs no longer around to tell us these things aren't elegant enough for his device...
OS 7 and this controller prove it.

commander.data
Jun 17, 2013, 03:28 AM
That would be true if the shield was limited to android games or that games aren't being developed directly for it, but it's not. Games developed for the shield and to take advantage of the hardware along with PC games being streamable to it puts it in a different category well above a iOS controller...
It has the potential for exclusive games, especially with a stable hardware spec, but have there been any major ones announced? The ones they often promote like Arma Tactics and Dead Trigger 2 are available on other Android devices.

pscl
Jun 17, 2013, 04:11 AM
No, no , no logitec!

It needs to be a FPS style like the WiiU Pro!

You can no longer game with an NES style controller! Two analog sticks under each thumb & the buttons below, done!

totally aggree!

NES Controller is pretty much outdated for current games... wont buy it.

but i would like a dual analog controller to play fps. i dont like the "touchscreen analog stick" ****.

Braaap
Jun 17, 2013, 04:24 AM
With Steve Jobs no longer around to tell us these things aren't elegant enough for his device...
OS 7 and this controller prove it.

Yeah! Steve jobs is gone now we can build a ****** controller and a bad looking iOS!

APlotdevice
Jun 17, 2013, 04:26 AM
totally aggree!

NES Controller is pretty much outdated for current games... wont buy it.

but i would like a dual analog controller to play fps. i dont like the "touchscreen analog stick" ****.

It's a SNES-like controller, not a NES controller. The latter only had two buttons and is indeed too basic for all but the simplest games today. The former though still works perfectly for 2D games, of which there are a plenitude on iOS. Also these controls could concivably be used in tandem with the touchscreen, which again I believe does an acceptable job for analog input. (if virtual "analog sticks" aren't your thing, then I'll just say that a touchscreen is basically the same technology as a trackpad, just with the addition of a display)

hogo
Jun 17, 2013, 04:36 AM
He really sounded like a douche with that opener about jobs.

pscl
Jun 17, 2013, 05:03 AM
It's a SNES-like controller, not a NES controller. The latter only had two buttons and is indeed too basic for all but the simplest games today. The former though still works perfectly for 2D games, of which there are a plenitude on iOS. Also these controls could concivably be used in tandem with the touchscreen, which again I believe does an acceptable job for analog input. (if virtual "analog sticks" aren't your thing, then I'll just say that a touchscreen is basically the same technology as a trackpad, just with the addition of a display)

im just talking about first person shooter like nova, splintercell, and all other gameloft shooter... for those games, a dual analog stick controller is the best choice.

worst thing of controlling games on ios devices is that u cover 1/3 of the screen with ur thumbs.

Ricanlegend
Jun 17, 2013, 06:53 AM
Considering these were shown during a certain WWDC session, someone is seriously breaking their developer NDA by posting this. Their word obviously means nothing to them.

you really think people take apple nda seriously ? lol

Donka
Jun 17, 2013, 06:58 AM
iPad or iPhone + AV Digital Out & HDMI + Extended Bluetooth game controller = great gaming machine.
Hook up your iPad to the TV and sit back on the couch with the controller and play the likes of real Racing 3 or Fifa without the lag associated with AirPlay. IOS just got that bit better...

blackcrayon
Jun 17, 2013, 07:23 AM
No, no , no logitec!

It needs to be a FPS style like the WiiU Pro!

You can no longer game with an NES style controller! Two analog sticks under each thumb & the buttons below, done!

There will be controllers with analog sticks. Apple's game controller API and Made for iOS approval program for these things specifically accounts for controllers with or without analog controls.

litmag01
Jun 17, 2013, 09:07 AM
With Steve Jobs no longer around to tell us these things aren't elegant enough for his device, it appears we'll finally get a proper gamepad for the iOS this year. This will be one of them, made by Logitech.

OK creepy MacBeth like person.

Millah
Jun 17, 2013, 11:08 AM
Goodbye Nintendo.



Easily... I find that the main appeal of the DS and Vita is the physical controls. The iPhone's screen is wonderful for gameplay, and as you said, the GPU they come with tend to be quite capable. Just look at Infinity Blade II. Nintendo was hemorrhaging money in 2012, so I can't imagine they'll exist for much longer.

Games. Its all about the games. Has nothing to do with "buttons." People buy 3DS because they want to play the great games on it. Especially in Japan. iPhone games are "good enough," but will never approach console level production, until game publishers are willing to invest the same amount of money in iPhone titles as they do in console titles. And more importantly, until users are willing to PAY for it (not .99)

As long as Nintendo continues to have franchises that millions of gamers around the world adore, they will continue to exist. Software sells hardware. The issues of Nintendo "hemorrhaging" money had to do with selling new hardware at a loss, which has since gone away with the 3DS. And the WiiU hasn't HAD software yet, thus no sales. Which will once again change later in the year. Handheld systems will always sell very well in Japan, because of a difference in culture there. Japanese love handhelds, due to a different lifestyle. They also love games like Animal Crossing, which is a Nintendo franchise.

People seem to forget Nintendo made boatloads of money on Wii and DS, because they were smart enough to sell hardware that was PROFITABLE (unlike Sony and MS). Nintendo can make a few mistakes without running through their money.

Shaun, UK
Jun 17, 2013, 11:11 AM
Really looking forward to this. I find it hard to comfortably play games on my iPhone but I don't want the added expense of buying a Sony PSP, so this would be ideal, especially with the rumoured larger screen in the iPhone 6 next year.

This would also make an ideal gamepad for playing games on your TV through the AppleTV box either using AirPlay or who knows maybe they'll start selling games directly through the AppleTV in direct competition with the PS4 and XBox One.

APlotdevice
Jun 17, 2013, 12:27 PM
iPad or iPhone + AV Digital Out & HDMI + Extended Bluetooth game controller = great gaming machine.
Hook up your iPad to the TV and sit back on the couch with the controller and play the likes of real Racing 3 or Fifa without the lag associated with AirPlay. IOS just got that bit better...

Actually you do unfortunately get some lag with the lighting->HDMI adapter. The reason being that Lighting can't handle a raw video signal, so they use the airplay protocol to send a compressed stream to a processor inside the adapter.

petsounds
Jun 17, 2013, 01:11 PM
you really think people take apple nda seriously ? lol

Some do, many don't. But I'm sure if they had a startup with an NDA, and someone leaked their work, they would be very upset. Most people can't seem to put themselves in the position of others. Oh right, Apple is a huge corporation, so that makes me okay...:rolleyes:

baryon
Jun 17, 2013, 01:14 PM
This sounds cool, I do miss physical buttons for gaming!

donutbagel
Jun 17, 2013, 02:07 PM
Give me a GameCube controller for iPhone already, and it's game on.

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Games. Its all about the games. Has nothing to do with "buttons." People buy 3DS because they want to play the great games on it.

Mario Kart 7 and New Super Mario Bros 2? That's only 2.

sk24iam
Jun 17, 2013, 02:09 PM
I'm guessing if Apple makes a TV later this year, a Mfi controller will be the key to playing ios games also.

roadbloc
Jun 17, 2013, 02:35 PM
Apple should have done this years ago.

Donka
Jun 17, 2013, 02:41 PM
Actually you do unfortunately get some lag with the lighting->HDMI adapter. The reason being that Lighting can't handle a raw video signal, so they use the airplay protocol to send a compressed stream to a processor inside the adapter.

This I did not know. Will need to explore this a bit more.

MacGuffin
Jun 17, 2013, 03:12 PM
"With Steve Jobs no longer around to tell us these things aren't elegant enough for his device, it appears we'll finally get a proper gamepad for the iOS this year."

Hmmm.

Steve Jobs alive...

Or proper iOS gamepads at last?

Generation Facebook faces its first moral dilemma! ;-)

ConCat
Jun 17, 2013, 09:51 PM
Games. Its all about the games. Has nothing to do with "buttons." People buy 3DS because they want to play the great games on it. Especially in Japan. iPhone games are "good enough," but will never approach console level production, until game publishers are willing to invest the same amount of money in iPhone titles as they do in console titles. And more importantly, until users are willing to PAY for it (not .99)

As long as Nintendo continues to have franchises that millions of gamers around the world adore, they will continue to exist. Software sells hardware. The issues of Nintendo "hemorrhaging" money had to do with selling new hardware at a loss, which has since gone away with the 3DS. And the WiiU hasn't HAD software yet, thus no sales. Which will once again change later in the year. Handheld systems will always sell very well in Japan, because of a difference in culture there. Japanese love handhelds, due to a different lifestyle. They also love games like Animal Crossing, which is a Nintendo franchise.

People seem to forget Nintendo made boatloads of money on Wii and DS, because they were smart enough to sell hardware that was PROFITABLE (unlike Sony and MS). Nintendo can make a few mistakes without running through their money.

Fair enough. I myself used to be a hardcore Pokémon fan when I was younger. I probably wouldn't have been so inclined to buy (well, to get my mom to buy...) Nintendo hardware if Pokémon wasn't on it. The issue is that I was never a hardcore gamer, and many people like me will make do with the games on an iPhone, which are getting better and better all the time. There are already a few companies out there putting out full 3D games with all the bells and whistles including multiplayer combat and whatnot. I firmly believe that it's only a matter of time till the hardcore gamers get on board, especially once physical controllers become a reality. Playing a game on the iPhone is always an issue without physical controllers because you have to have your thumbs blocking a rather significant amount of the display. Get a real controller out there and you can make all the on-screen controls disappear to make the gaming experience a whole lot smoother.

Donka
Jun 18, 2013, 03:56 AM
In addition to what ConCat is saying, the problem for the likes of Sony and Nintendo is that they have set hardware that has to last for a number of years. Apple are upping the performance of the IOS devices each year. I believe that Sony's Vita uses a SGX543MP4 for graphics which is the same gpu as the iPad 3. The iPad 4 is using an improved SGX554MP4 and the next iPad will most likely improve on that again. Yes, the retina iPad has more work to do, just to drive that pixel dense screen but if the iPad and soon the iPhone are not yet as capable as the Vita, they shortly will be and then over take it.

Mike MA
Jun 18, 2013, 05:27 PM
I have to admit that Steve was right indeed - that thing surely is everything but elegant....