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heimbachae
Jun 21, 2013, 08:31 AM
Ok, first off, I know there was an update. I'm just thoroughly confused that for over 3 years of ownership thinking apple was holding out for some amazing stations, we get crunchyroll??? seriously apple, why give us this crap? at least let us choose if we can uninstall it.

anyone else have any issues with these new stations? not software reliability issues, I mean issues cause I'm an apple snob issues.



MonkeySee....
Jun 21, 2013, 08:35 AM
I saw it in the update. its not something i'm personally interested in but appreciate the effort to add more content.

mic j
Jun 21, 2013, 08:50 AM
Just hide them if you're not interested.

heimbachae
Jun 21, 2013, 09:04 AM
Just hide them if you're not interested.

how? I know how to move icon but is hiding new or do I need to jailbreak?

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nvm, found it in parental controls. still, I own 2 appleTVs and my one Roku has way more channels that I can pick and choose. I wish appleTV would loosen it's reigns and let us do that.

mic j
Jun 21, 2013, 09:07 AM
how? I know how to move icon but is hiding new or do I need to jailbreak?

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nvm, found it in parental controls. still, I own 2 appleTVs and my one Roku has way more channels that I can pick and choose. I wish appleTV would loosen it's reigns and let us do that.
Don't have a Roku, but I am curious what channels it has that you think are better than what the aTV offers.

musicpenguy
Jun 21, 2013, 09:26 AM
Use parental controls to hide apps

GoCubsGo
Jun 21, 2013, 09:32 AM
I lol'ed at crunchyroll too then I realized I was hungry and went to get sushi for lunch. :D

charlituna
Jun 21, 2013, 09:32 AM
[/COLOR]nvm, found it in parental controls. still, I own 2 appleTVs and my one Roku has way more channels that I can pick and choose. I wish appleTV would loosen it's reigns and let us do that.

It's not Apple, it's the content companies. Many of them don't want customers bypassing the cable box (cause then they can't charge rental fees) and they sure don't want direct subscripts without cable. And then there's the issue that they may have signed exclusive deals with other companies like Roku.

E.Lizardo
Jun 21, 2013, 10:17 AM
Don't have a Roku, but I am curious what channels it has that you think are better than what the aTV offers.

Amazon streaming,plex,external USB drive,Crackle off the top of my head.
I'd recommend taking a peek at the Roku channel "store"at roku.com to see the humongous number of channels and games(Angry Birds and Fieldrunners,for two examples).It's pretty interesting.
Many of the channels are junk,kind of like the iOS app store,but there are also some real gems too.
And the $99 Roku has an actual 21st century RF remote with a handy headphone jack and Wii-style motion control for games.

That said I love my ATV and wouldn't get rid of it for anything.Nicer interface,airplay and iTunes integration.

They are both great products.

heimbachae
Jun 21, 2013, 10:25 AM
Don't have a Roku, but I am curious what channels it has that you think are better than what the aTV offers.

Roku has dedicated channels for cnet, IGN, rev3games, countless news channels, games!!, social networking sites, cooking shows, workout programs, etc. On the appleTV I can watch most shows I want through their YouTube channels, but the point I'm making is there is way more ala carte on the Roku. I thought apple was holding out for more premium services. not crunchyroll. which I never knew existed before yesterday.

It's not Apple, it's the content companies. Many of them don't want customers bypassing the cable box (cause then they can't charge rental fees) and they sure don't want direct subscripts without cable. And then there's the issue that they may have signed exclusive deals with other companies like Roku.

Apple is the wealthiest corporation in the world. no exclusive deals are out of their pocket. But you're right they probably did sign some kind of deal. once that exclusive timeframe ends I hope apple can get more custom with their channel offerings.

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only reason I bought the Roku was price and curiosity. it was 60 bucks and can be hooked to a non HD TV if necessary. the biggest problem I have is that it buffers. every. freakin. time. it's fuzzy, then once the signal catches up it clears. appleTV never has that issue. I also wish there was a hack to access my iTunes library through the Roku, but I won't hold my breath.

jmcgeejr
Jun 21, 2013, 12:18 PM
only reason I bought the Roku was price and curiosity. it was 60 bucks and can be hooked to a non HD TV if necessary. the biggest problem I have is that it buffers. every. freakin. time. it's fuzzy, then once the signal catches up it clears. appleTV never has that issue. I also wish there was a hack to access my iTunes library through the Roku, but I won't hold my breath.

If you feel up for it, you can use plex to access your itunes media. Install the plex media server on the box you have your itunes on, and then install plex on the roku.

heimbachae
Jun 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
I had plex once, I don't remember why I got rid of it. probably looked confusing and I didn't feel like learning something new that day so I swore it out of my life. I'll give it another go.

heimbachae
Jun 22, 2013, 05:04 AM
channels hidden. never thought to look in parental controls, not a parent.... yet!!! #letmetellyouaboutthecrunchyrollson

e˛Studios
Jun 22, 2013, 10:59 AM
I've been a CR subscriber for years now, don't knock something if you haven't tried it. I was quite happy to see that it finally made it on the AppleTV, its one of the best clients available for the service. Before this the Boxee was the best option and it would have issues pop up too often where playback would be affected.

It's like my peeve with people and food "eww thats gross" "have you tried it?" "no" "then how the hell do you know you don't like it?!"

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean someone else doesn't see it as a value add.

heimbachae
Jun 22, 2013, 12:49 PM
I like sushi.... I'll check it out I guess, but I'm not promising anything.

heimbachae
Jun 22, 2013, 05:21 PM
yea, I'm not a huge fan of anime. got into deathnote a few years back but not much else. crunchyroll is a pass for me.

Alrescha
Jun 23, 2013, 09:37 AM
Roku has dedicated channels for cnet, IGN, rev3games, countless news channels, games!!, social networking sites, cooking shows, workout programs, etc.

I think you'll find many of these channels under Podcasts on the Apple TV. Certainly Revision3 is well represented.

A.

heimbachae
Jun 24, 2013, 04:08 AM
I think you'll find many of these channels under Podcasts on the Apple TV. Certainly Revision3 is well represented.

A.

I never got into podcasts. anyone and their mother can make one, which leads to me not caring. I also hate commercials, of any kind. they interrupt what's going in. that mostly applies to radio.

slothrob
Jun 24, 2013, 05:47 AM
I never got into podcasts. anyone and their mother can make one, which leads to me not caring.
I think you'll find that Podcasts like those from Revision3 are the same as what is offered on the dedicated Roku channel. You can chose the ones you like as Favorites and new episodes will appear on the aTV, under the Podcast button as they are released. It's like having custom channels for the aTV.

Plutonius
Jun 24, 2013, 06:31 AM
Roku has way more channels that I can pick and choose.

The Roku also has Crunchyroll. As far as channels you would actually watch, the main one that the Roku has that ATV doesn't is Amazon and that's never going to happen.

As a side note, Crunchyroll is one of the few channels other than Netflix that I actually watch on my Roku.

heimbachae
Jun 24, 2013, 06:51 AM
I think you'll find that Podcasts like those from Revision3 are the same as what is offered on the dedicated Roku channel. You can chose the ones you like as Favorites and new episodes will appear on the aTV, under the Podcast button as they are released. It's like having custom channels for the aTV.

I'll check it when I get home. any other pocasts I should steer towards or avoid?

The Roku also has Crunchyroll. As far as channels you would actually watch, the main one that the Roku has that ATV doesn't is Amazon and that's never going to happen.

As a side note, Crunchyroll is one of the few channels other than Netflix that I actually watch on my Roku.

I watch highlights of MLB on my ATV, Roku doesn't let me do that. I have a MLB account but still nothing substantial on Roku like recaps of games. Roku doesn't have YouTube which is Apples saving grace at this point. I subscribe to channels I want and watch them on ATV.

Like I said, I bought it for cheap just to see what it has to offer. I work on both so I'm now used to both. Still, the dedicated ala carte channel offering on Roku is a huge benefit. Apple has the money to make deals to offer individual channels, why they don't I'd beyond me.

Plutonius
Jun 24, 2013, 10:11 AM
Roku doesn't have YouTube which is Apples saving grace at this point. I subscribe to channels I want and watch them on ATV.

I get YouTube on my Roku through Plex. Plex is pretty good for YouTube since I'm able to watch it on my Roku and IOS devices (iPod Touch, iPhone, etc). The IOS devices will also display flash based video (since you are streaming it from your computer) unlike the YouTube IOS app.

heimbachae
Jun 24, 2013, 06:20 PM
can plex use AirPlay?

e˛Studios
Jun 25, 2013, 03:34 PM
The Roku also has Crunchyroll. As far as channels you would actually watch, the main one that the Roku has that ATV doesn't is Amazon and that's never going to happen.

As a side note, Crunchyroll is one of the few channels other than Netflix that I actually watch on my Roku.

Roku CR app is SD only, the AppleTV version supports 1080p or the max resolution of the series you're watching. Boxee supported HD, as well as PS3, never was sure why Roku never got HD support but its why I never bothered with it.

Toe
Jun 25, 2013, 04:01 PM
Amazon streaming,plex,external USB drive,Crackle off the top of my head.
I'd recommend taking a peek at the Roku channel "store"at roku.com to see the humongous number of channels and games(Angry Birds and Fieldrunners,for two examples).It's pretty interesting.
Many of the channels are junk,kind of like the iOS app store,but there are also some real gems too.
And the $99 Roku has an actual 21st century RF remote with a handy headphone jack and Wii-style motion control for games.

That said I love my ATV and wouldn't get rid of it for anything.Nicer interface,airplay and iTunes integration.

They are both great products.

Funny, I just saw this thread after I posted mine:
Why I bought -- then returned -- Roku 3 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1602108)

Sure, the Roku is better "on paper." Just like I'm sure some Android phones look better on paper than iPhones. And they, just like the Roku, leave a lot to be desired in terms of user experience. (At least, that has been my experience, as I detail in my post linked above.)

Plutonius
Jun 25, 2013, 04:22 PM
Roku CR app is SD only, the AppleTV version supports 1080p or the max resolution of the series you're watching. Boxee supported HD, as well as PS3, never was sure why Roku never got HD support but its why I never bothered with it.

Crunchyroll claims that you get 1080p on a Roku (it needs to be one that supports 1080p) if you are a premium member. Otherwise, you get SD.

E.Lizardo
Jun 25, 2013, 04:44 PM
Funny, I just saw this thread after I posted mine:
Why I bought -- then returned -- Roku 3 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1602108)

Sure, the Roku is better "on paper." Just like I'm sure some Android phones look better on paper than iPhones. And they, just like the Roku, leave a lot to be desired in terms of user experience. (At least, that has been my experience, as I detail in my post linked above.)

Sorry you had a hard time.My experience has been trouble free.As I said I like them both.:cool::D:o:):eek::rolleyes::apple::D:D:D:D:D:cool::cool::cool::p;);););):

Carlanga
Jun 26, 2013, 01:50 AM
The Roku also has Crunchyroll. As far as channels you would actually watch, the main one that the Roku has that ATV doesn't is Amazon and that's never going to happen.

As a side note, Crunchyroll is one of the few channels other than Netflix that I actually watch on my Roku.

why is never gonna happen? Did Amazon say something about it? :confused:

heimbachae
Jun 26, 2013, 06:32 AM
I'll never watch crunchyroll. I don't need that much anime and if I ever wanna watch shin chan I can on Netflix so I'm set. ESPN requires TV subscription so that's out for me, the news channel is just meh. why can't they get any of the major networks on board? besides the fact they are probably being greedy and wanting all profits....

Plutonius
Jun 26, 2013, 07:00 AM
why is never gonna happen? Did Amazon say something about it? :confused:

Amazon would love being on the ATV. Apple does not want Amazon on the ATV since it directly competes with iTunes.

Carlanga
Jun 26, 2013, 02:06 PM
Amazon would love being on the ATV. Apple does not want Amazon on the ATV since it directly competes with iTunes.

same can be said of netlix or hulu plus :confused:

davideotape
Jun 26, 2013, 10:14 PM
same can be said of netlix or hulu plus :confused:

you cant "own" the content on those. i noticed they don't have any outside channels that allow you to buy movies-- amazon, vudu, bestbuy's channel, flixter for uv, etc.

Carlanga
Jun 26, 2013, 10:44 PM
you cant "own" the content on those. i noticed they don't have any outside channels that allow you to buy movies-- amazon, vudu, bestbuy's channel, flixter for uv, etc.

Yeah, but in the other hand you can rent in iTunes...

davideotape
Jun 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
right. there's no other ATV channels where you can specifically rent new releases for a day or two either.

the only things available on ATV are free and subscription-based channels. hulu, netflix, mlbtv, youtube, flickr, etc.

heimbachae
Jul 6, 2013, 06:33 AM
downloaded plex, much easier than I thought originally. just wish I could dismount the drive so I don't have to see it on my desktop. oh well.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 6, 2013, 06:39 AM
Amazon would love being on the ATV. Apple does not want Amazon on the ATV since it directly competes with iTunes.

Couldn't the same argument be made for Netflix and Hulu?

I have no idea, but I imagine the reason Amazon isn't on the ATV is probably due to licensing issues between the two companies.

Whatever it is, I hope they settle it and bring Amazon on board. This of course, is surmising that they're even talking about it.

Plutonius
Jul 6, 2013, 10:14 AM
Couldn't the same argument be made for Netflix and Hulu?

I have no idea, but I imagine the reason Amazon isn't on the ATV is probably due to licensing issues between the two companies.

Whatever it is, I hope they settle it and bring Amazon on board. This of course, is surmising that they're even talking about it.

Amazon is a direct competitor in hardware. The others are not. Netflix and Hulu also do not sell content (they rent it) and the content is generally older.

Oracle1729
Jul 6, 2013, 10:31 AM
seriously apple, why give us this crap? at least let us choose if we can uninstall it.

That was the big issue for me. Everyone has their own tastes so most content will be of little interest for most users. The UI is clunky enough without having to constantly click past lots of content you will never view and can't hide.

I use a mac mini as a media PC, it's better than the ATV for almost everything, but with apple being their obnoxious selves, I can't use it as a target for airplay mirroring despite being no technical reason why not.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
Amazon is a direct competitor in hardware. The others are not. Netflix and Hulu also do not sell content (they rent it) and the content is generally older.

Perhaps. However, Amazon Instant is found on the Xbox and Nintendo Wii. Certainly there is competition between them as well, right?

thenaes
Jul 6, 2013, 12:55 PM
Perhaps. However, Amazon Instant is found on the Xbox and Nintendo Wii. Certainly there is competition between them as well, right?

Xbox has Xbox Video which is a direct competitor. The one thing that you can't do on the Instant Video app on Xbox is rent movies directly on it. You need to rent it from the Amazon website first. I'm assuming this is something MS is blocking, although I think you can rent Vudu directly on their app, so I guess not.

I guess the difference here is Apple is more locked down than most and really wants no competition on their own devices.

heimbachae
Jul 6, 2013, 05:27 PM
Perhaps. However, Amazon Instant is found on the Xbox and Nintendo Wii. Certainly there is competition between them as well, right?

Wii doesn't have a video shop, so Nintendo doesn't care there. also to play Netflix or amazon on xbox you need a gold subscription, so MS is getting their money, just not from movie rentals.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 6, 2013, 05:32 PM
Xbox has Xbox Video which is a direct competitor. The one thing that you can't do on the Instant Video app on Xbox is rent movies directly on it. You need to rent it from the Amazon website first. I'm assuming this is something MS is blocking, although I think you can rent Vudu directly on their app, so I guess not.

I guess the difference here is Apple is more locked down than most and really wants no competition on their own devices.

Wii doesn't have a video shop, so Nintendo doesn't care there. also to play Netflix or amazon on xbox you need a gold subscription, so MS is getting their money, just not from movie rentals.

All fair points. In the end its too bad, at least, for now, that Amazon instant isn't available on the ATV.

Plutonius
Jul 6, 2013, 07:59 PM
Perhaps. However, Amazon Instant is found on the Xbox and Nintendo Wii. Certainly there is competition between them as well, right?

Amazon doesn't make hardware that competes with the Xbox or Nintendo Wii.

institute
Jul 6, 2013, 09:06 PM
Don't people read the posts in the thread they respond to? You can hide any of the apps except those on the first row by going into Settings and Parental Controls.

heimbachae
Jul 7, 2013, 12:12 PM
^^ of course not, that would be wise.

anywho, thinking about jailbreaking today, out of pure boredom. I'm guessing I can get new channels/features this way, yes?

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 12:27 PM
^^ of course not, that would be wise.

anywho, thinking about jailbreaking today, out of pure boredom. I'm guessing I can get new channels/features this way, yes?

Yes, that's my understanding about jailbreaking. You can get more content that way. However, if you have the Apple TV 3 you cannot jailbreak it at all.

heimbachae
Jul 7, 2013, 05:45 PM
Yes, that's my understanding about jailbreaking. You can get more content that way. However, if you have the Apple TV 3 you cannot jailbreak it at all.

nope, I have ATV2. thought about buying the newest one for 1080P, but don't see the point. I don't think my network would like streaming 1080 anyways, 720 does just fine

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 05:47 PM
nope, I have ATV2. thought about buying the newest one for 1080P, but don't see the point. I don't think my network would like streaming 1080 anyways, 720 does just fine

Just curious here, why do you think your network wouldn't like 1080p? Any modern LAN should be able to handle the load without breaking a sweat.

heimbachae
Jul 7, 2013, 07:21 PM
Just curious here, why do you think your network wouldn't like 1080p? Any modern LAN should be able to handle the load without breaking a sweat.

well I'm getting 15 down so in theory it shouldn't be awful, but I'm typically not running one stream at one time. I might be playing 360/ps3/wiiU while my wife is streaming on the iPad or watching the Roku in the bedroom while I'm downloading new episodes of top gear on the iMac.... so I figure I stress my ISP enough, don't wanna tick them off too bad.

I will look into it though :)

Dalton63841
Jul 7, 2013, 07:35 PM
...I also wish there was a hack to access my iTunes library through the Roku, but I won't hold my breath.

The Roku plex app will take care of your iTunes content. On the plex media server there is an option to include your iTunes library.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 07:39 PM
well I'm getting 15 down so in theory it shouldn't be awful, but I'm typically not running one stream at one time. I might be playing 360/ps3/wiiU while my wife is streaming on the iPad or watching the Roku in the bedroom while I'm downloading new episodes of top gear on the iMac.... so I figure I stress my ISP enough, don't wanna tick them off too bad.

I will look into it though :)

Oh okay. I thought you meant your LAN (local area network) whereas you were talking about your ISP's download speed. Two different things and I can see where 15Mbps down would be pushing it with all those things going on at once.

heimbachae
Jul 8, 2013, 04:01 AM
Oh okay. I thought you meant your LAN (local area network) whereas you were talking about your ISP's download speed. Two different things and I can see where 15Mbps down would be pushing it with all those things going on at once.

yea but I can't beat 20 bucks a month for 15 down plus 100 cable channels with a handful in HD. savin cash!!!

SandboxGeneral
Jul 8, 2013, 05:06 AM
yea but I can't beat 20 bucks a month for 15 down plus 100 cable channels with a handful in HD. savin cash!!!

No, you're right. That's a heck of a deal! I'm all about saving money when you can.

heimbachae
Jul 8, 2013, 07:55 AM
No, you're right. That's a heck of a deal! I'm all about saving money when you can.

yea dude I'm gonna keep riding it while I can haha