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jererermy
Jun 21, 2013, 03:29 PM
I've been running ios 7 beta on my iphone 4s since it came out. First off, it is amazing. I could not be more happy about the changes and the way it looks. With that said, this is strictly a critic and I was hoping for other opinions.

Ok, so is it just me, or is it sometimes really really hard to see the top bar icons or lock screen controls depending on the wallpaper you choose? I keep seeing tons of screen shots from people with backgrounds like this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=418852&d=1371787576

Now I know that 100% of people with ios 7 beta are not all using dark backgrounds. I have tried to put some of my own personal pictures as wallpaper, and I get more of a result like this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=418817&d=1371772411
It is so hard to see the clock, and sometimes the top bar information depending on the wallpaper. That is my only critic. I actually came across something in the forum the other day that said the text was supposed to automatically switch when it auto-detects a too bright wallpaper. I have yet to see proof of this on my own device. Can we start dialog about this? I don't have anyone else to discuss this with.

mrapplegate
Jun 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
I agree that in your bright wallpaper the clock seems hard to see. I have not heard about the switching txt when a bright wallpaper is detected.
File a bug report, they are not just for bugs, feedback is also a category in the reports.

Quercus Alba
Jun 21, 2013, 03:38 PM
Definitely a problem.

Perhaps some shadows or black translucency would go down well here.

Northernist
Jun 21, 2013, 03:42 PM
The software is meant to automatically change the text from white to black on a bright background, I'm sure the it's still being tweaked though since it seems to hit or miss for most people.

jererermy
Jun 21, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oh, so there actually is something in place? Is it also supposed to switch the font color of the app titles too? Or just the top bar. Wish that was working for me right now :-/

Night Spring
Jun 21, 2013, 03:50 PM
The software is meant to automatically change the text from white to black on a bright background, I'm sure the it's still being tweaked though since it seems to hit or miss for most people.

So far, it only turns black if you use a white or nearly white background. Any mix of color and white, and the text remains white. Any color, and the text remains white, no matter how bright or pale the color is.

Sheza
Jun 21, 2013, 03:55 PM
Well it's very easy to see the difference between the two backgrounds.

First of all the home screen isn't a fair comparison with your lockscreen because, well, obviously.

Secondly, the lower part of your lock screen wallpaper is dark. This triggers the white text mode.

tymaster50
Jun 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
That's not a 4s lol

msahadi
Jun 21, 2013, 04:09 PM
oh, so there actually is something in place? Is it also supposed to switch the font color of the app titles too? Or just the top bar. Wish that was working for me right now :-/

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ominx
Jun 21, 2013, 04:29 PM
From my post here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17463746#post17463746

So playing some more, it looks like the luminance of the image must be 198 or higher in order to display black text.

In order to figure out the luminance using RGB colors, use the following formula:
(0.2126*R) + (0.7152*G) + (0.0722*B)

So what seems to happen is iOS looks at the whole image, calculates the RGB average, then applies either white or black text based on this luminance threshold of 198.

You can find the RGB average of any of your images in Photoshop by using Filter > Blur > Average then use the color picker to find the individual values for RGB. Plug them into the above formula and if the result is 198 or higher then text will be black. A value of 198 and lower and it will be white.

donnaw
Jun 21, 2013, 05:21 PM
From my post here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17463746#post17463746

So playing some more, it looks like the luminance of the image must be 198 or higher in order to display black text.

In order to figure out the luminance using RGB colors, use the following formula:
(0.2126*R) + (0.7152*G) + (0.0722*B)

So what seems to happen is iOS looks at the whole image, calculates the RGB average, then applies either white or black text based on this luminance threshold of 198.

You can find the RGB average of any of your images in Photoshop by using Filter > Blur > Average then use the color picker to find the individual values for RGB. Plug them into the above formula and if the result is 198 or higher then text will be black. A value of 198 and lower and it will be white.

I read all of your posts. Great work!

Somehow I think it would have been nicer for Apple to have just put a toggle on the Wallpaper select screen saying 'Black text/White text'.

Night Spring
Jun 21, 2013, 05:39 PM
Somehow I think it would have been nicer for Apple to have just put a toggle on the Wallpaper select screen saying 'Black text/White text'.

Or just keep things the way they were in iOS 6, with the drop shadows and background gradients and what nots.

iOS 7 just tries to change everything too fast. It's resulted in many small usability issues like this one that when combined amounts to a big problem. Each issue alone is so minor, it's like, who would complain about such a small thing? But then there's another one, and another one, and another one.... *sigh*

Trius
Jun 21, 2013, 06:34 PM
Or just keep things the way they were in iOS 6, with the drop shadows and background gradients and what nots.

iOS 7 just tries to change everything too fast. It's resulted in many small usability issues like this one that when combined amounts to a big problem. Each issue alone is so minor, it's like, who would complain about such a small thing? But then there's another one, and another one, and another one.... *sigh*

Beta.

Night Spring
Jun 21, 2013, 07:17 PM
Beta.

Not feeling optimistic that ALL issues will be fixed before general release. Last year, they made the iPad music player app unusable. Quite a few people complained about it while on beta, but it never got fixed.

Trius
Jun 21, 2013, 08:32 PM
Not feeling optimistic that ALL issues will be fixed before general release. Last year, they made the iPad music player app unusable. Quite a few people complained about it while on beta, but it never got fixed.

I hear you, but be realistic. This is Beta 1. It's pointless to complain about these little things right now. The color of the status text will be fixed... all of the little UI issues will be addressed. I'm more concerned with what's happening behind the scenes. They're working on it... again, this is a BETA release. The whole point is to test and debug.

ominx
Jun 21, 2013, 08:54 PM
I read all of your posts. Great work!

Somehow I think it would have been nicer for Apple to have just put a toggle on the Wallpaper select screen saying 'Black text/White text'.

Thanks and I agree 100%. It would be very easy for Apple to include a simple toggle in the "Brightness and Wallpaper" settings.

jererermy
Jun 21, 2013, 09:44 PM
I hear you, but be realistic. This is Beta 1. It's pointless to complain about these little things right now. The color of the status text will be fixed... all of the little UI issues will be addressed. I'm more concerned with what's happening behind the scenes. They're working on it... again, this is a BETA release. The whole point is to test and debug.
You obviously missed the part where we stated this was a critic and dialog....not a complaint. A forum specifically designed to talk about everything ios 7 beta would be a terrible place for someone who gets constantly upset and accuses other of complaining. I would hate to be upset as much as that would cause

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From my post here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17463746#post17463746

So playing some more, it looks like the luminance of the image must be 198 or higher in order to display black text.

In order to figure out the luminance using RGB colors, use the following formula:
(0.2126*R) + (0.7152*G) + (0.0722*B)

So what seems to happen is iOS looks at the whole image, calculates the RGB average, then applies either white or black text based on this luminance threshold of 198.

You can find the RGB average of any of your images in Photoshop by using Filter > Blur > Average then use the color picker to find the individual values for RGB. Plug them into the above formula and if the result is 198 or higher then text will be black. A value of 198 and lower and it will be white.
You just blew my mind. My hat is off to you

Paddle1
Jun 21, 2013, 10:26 PM
There is no way to do this 100% because a background can be dark in some areas and bright in others.

This is where the black bars from older iOS versions would come in handy. Black app titles also won't be easy to see on dark (especially black) backgrounds, while the white ones will be more legible with drop shadow.

They are going to have to tweak this for the final version.

KenAFSPC
Jun 22, 2013, 06:24 AM
I hear you, but be realistic. This is Beta 1. It's pointless to complain about these little things right now. The color of the status text will be fixed... all of the little UI issues will be addressed. I'm more concerned with what's happening behind the scenes. They're working on it... again, this is a BETA release. The whole point is to test and debug.Pointless to complain? That's one of the main purposes of a beta -- to identify issues that need to be fixed. Don't assume Apple is aware of every issue. Because they are not. If they were, this wouldn't be beta 1.

Granted, posting on Macrumors is not how Apple prefers to receive feedback, but they do follow this forum. There are also a fair number of unregistered users running IOS7 that are unable to report issues though the proper channel. Posting to this forum allows others to duplicate issues and submit reports on their behalf.

KeanosMagicHat
Jun 22, 2013, 06:37 AM
There is no way to do this 100% because a background can be dark in some areas and bright in others.

This is where the black bars from older iOS versions would come in handy. Black app titles also won't be easy to see on dark (especially black) backgrounds, while the white ones will be more legible with drop shadow.

They are going to have to tweak this for the final version.

I much prefer the translucency to the black bars as it gives the illusion of full screen apps.

You're correct though, it will need some work before GM and release.

iBreatheApple
Jun 22, 2013, 09:30 AM
Definitely a problem.

Perhaps some shadows or black translucency would go down well here.

Shadows aren't flat, though. :cool:

Quercus Alba
Jun 22, 2013, 09:43 AM
Shadows aren't flat, though. :cool:

Neither is gyroscope parallax, 3D live wallpapers, or floating, translucent overlays.

darngooddesign
Jun 22, 2013, 09:51 AM
Not feeling optimistic that ALL issues will be fixed before general release. Last year, they made the iPad music player app unusable. Quite a few people complained about it while on beta, but it never got fixed.

I've been using it for a year so it isn't unusable. They fixed it.

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Neither is gyroscope parallax, 3D live wallpapers, or floating, translucent overlays.

Did apple ever say flat?

Quercus Alba
Jun 22, 2013, 10:03 AM
Did apple ever say flat?

No, but iBreatheApple just did?

iBreatheApple
Jun 22, 2013, 11:50 AM
No, but iBreatheApple just did?

Incorrect. I never stated Apple said flat.

Night Spring
Jun 22, 2013, 01:17 PM
I've been using it for a year so it isn't unusable. They fixed it.

I don't feel like listing the problems with the iPad music app in detail here, but they took away a lot of functionality that was there in iOS 5, and never put it back. One glaring omission: no lyric display

On iOS 5, I used to listen to music on my iPad all the time. But on iOS 6, the music player is so miserable to use, I almost never use it anymore.