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Toe
Jun 25, 2013, 03:55 PM
For your edification, here's why I returned the Roku 3 I just bought a few days ago. I'll be buying an Apple TV, but am considering holding out for the next gen.

I have an LG "smart" TV, which has some online functionality. Basically, it can stream Netflix. That's nice, but very limited. And the interface is horrible. So I wanted a box that would stream more content and have a friendlier interface.

I settled on the Roku 3 for several reasons:
- It supports Amazon Prime video
- It allows content searching across carriers
- The remote has a headphone jack

I got it, hooked it up, and returned it soon afterward. Here's why.

I never even watched any content on the Roku, but I did get to spend a couple of hours fighting it.

The first thing I had to do was connect it to a network. But no matter how carefully I checked every setting, it refused to talk to my AirPort. This becomes quite annoying, since I have a complex password, and that meant fiddling through many, many clicks of the remote to enter password characters via four little arrow buttons. Over and over again. :(

Finally, I gave up on the wifi and ran an ethernet cable to it to at least get it set up. That worked (though it's not even an option on earlier Roku's). :o

Then I had to set up a Roku account on my computer and associate it with the box. Fine. Now I can do the rest of my setup through my Mac, right? Wrong. Unbelievably, if I want to set up Netflix, I have to enter the email address and password with the stupid little four arrows of the remote. Why the heck couldn't I just use the computer's keyboard?? :mad:

So somebody told me I could set up my iPhone as the remote for it and use that keyboard. Cool, that ought to help, right? And it did briefly, until the app stopped talking to the Roku. Then it just plum refused to ever find the Roku, even when I quit the app or rebooted the iPhone. So I went to manually enter the IP address of the Roku into the app, and the app won't accept numeric input. In other words, it was just horribly glitchy. :confused:

So that's three huge interface flaws in a row. And I'm going to commit to this device as a way to get a better interface? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

The Apple TV can't stream Amazon, but it can AirPlay my Mac's screen to the TV, so that basically does the same thing. Plus the fact that it can AirPlay anything on my Mac is pretty cool. :cool:

I'm willing to forgo the other two "benefits" I had imagined the Roku would have in order to not have to put up with its awful glitches. Forget that. :p

So I'm happy to get an Apple TV instead. Except that the current rev is basically at the end of it's cycle. Since all iOS devices appear to be ready for a refresh, I figure the TV will get a bump with the rest of 'em. And I'll be very happy to have it instead of the allegedly "better" features of the Roku 3. :D

In other words, just as with phones -- just because a device has more/better features doesn't make it worth having. If the device drives you crazy, are those couple of features really worth the headaches? :apple:



waw74
Jun 25, 2013, 04:45 PM
the roku and the app work fine for me.

Then it just plum refused to ever find the Roku, even when I quit the app or rebooted the iPhone
did you try rebooting your network hardware? as that's in the path between the app and the box, and sometimes can cause issues?
or rebooting the roku box itself.
i loose the aTV from the remote app occasionally too.

Unbelievably, if I want to set up Netflix, I have to enter the email address and password with the stupid little four arrows of the remote. Why the heck couldn't I just use the computer's keyboard??
and the aTV will be different how?:confused:
although i guess now the aTV supports the apple bluetooth keyboard. but is it worth it to unpair from your computer, pair with the aTV, unpair with aTV, and then repair with your computer to type a password that's under 20 characters?

The Apple TV can't stream Amazon, but it can AirPlay my Mac's screen to the TV, so that basically does the same thing. Plus the fact that it can AirPlay anything on my Mac is pretty cool.
not really,
1. you won't have 5.1 surround sound, may not be an issue for you.
2. if airplay mirroring is working at it's best, it will still have low frame rate, which you will see in fast action, or panning shots.
3. mirroring only works if your mac was made in the past couple years (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5404).
4. you have to have your computer handy, you can't just use the remote in your hand to control it.
5. you can't shut the screen off, so you have the macbook flashing beside you while you're trying to watch TV
6. And probably the most important, no amazon prime in HD on the computer (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201112530). so your quality will be lower before airplay gets involved.

So I'm happy to get an Apple TV instead. Except that the current rev is basically at the end of it's cycle
not really, they just completely rebuilt the hardware 3 months ago. even though it has basically the same specs, they wouldn't wast time redesigning and retooling the manufacturing process if they were about to stop making it.


you had a bad experience with roku, but i know several people, myself included who think it's great, I'm guessing you're going to have some sort of issue with the aTV also.
it's not like there will be a choir singing and rays of light shooting out from behind the box just cause it's made by apple.

squeeks
Jun 25, 2013, 05:28 PM
I have three roku's (an original, a 2 xs, and a 3) all three of which connect to my Asus wireless router just great!

The phone app is fantastic for entering login info, never had an issue there either. :/

In my experience with the two airports i've used, (G, and N) they don't particularly like anything non apple, always have to reboot them to get devices to connect to them. Sorry you were having issues... :(

CoMoMacUser
Jun 25, 2013, 07:00 PM
My Roku 2 XD never has any problems connecting to my Time Capsule. The app works fine on my Nexus 4 and iPad 1.

Plutonius
Jun 25, 2013, 11:05 PM
So, it's bad because you couldn't set it up ?

You really should have spent some more effort on it and got it working so you could truly evaluate it.

jmac049
Jun 26, 2013, 06:49 AM
I have a Roku 1 and 2 and I hooked them up with no problem. Perhaps you got a bad Roku. It does happen from time to time.

Primejimbo
Jun 26, 2013, 07:36 PM
the roku and the app work fine for me.


did you try rebooting your network hardware? as that's in the path between the app and the box, and sometimes can cause issues?
or rebooting the roku box itself.
i loose the aTV from the remote app occasionally too.


and the aTV will be different how?:confused:
although i guess now the aTV supports the apple bluetooth keyboard. but is it worth it to unpair from your computer, pair with the aTV, unpair with aTV, and then repair with your computer to type a password that's under 20 characters?


not really,
1. you won't have 5.1 surround sound, may not be an issue for you.
2. if airplay mirroring is working at it's best, it will still have low frame rate, which you will see in fast action, or panning shots.
3. mirroring only works if your mac was made in the past couple years (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5404).
4. you have to have your computer handy, you can't just use the remote in your hand to control it.
5. you can't shut the screen off, so you have the macbook flashing beside you while you're trying to watch TV
6. And probably the most important, no amazon prime in HD on the computer (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201112530). so your quality will be lower before airplay gets involved.


not really, they just completely rebuilt the hardware 3 months ago. even though it has basically the same specs, they wouldn't wast time redesigning and retooling the manufacturing process if they were about to stop making it.


you had a bad experience with roku, but i know several people, myself included who think it's great, I'm guessing you're going to have some sort of issue with the aTV also.
it's not like there will be a choir singing and rays of light shooting out from behind the box just cause it's made by apple.

I know this has been asked and I will look, but I thought I would ask you since you said you liked it. How are the channels like Disney?

Digital Skunk
Jun 26, 2013, 08:56 PM
In other words, just as with phones -- just because a device has more/better features doesn't make it worth having. If the device drives you crazy, are those couple of features really worth the headaches? :apple:

While I do tend to agree that Apple devices are a little more intuitive, and first impressions are lasting ones, I don't think anyone that couldn't make it past the setup isn't saying much about the quality of the device.

I couldn't get my Mom's Nissan autostart to start the car. Didn't know what I had to do and just sat there. Doesn't mean all Nissans or autostart systems are crap, and that I should stick with outdated tech simply because I am unwilling to change or respect newer/different . . . much like the phone of a certain company. (sorry had to throw in that cheap shot like you did)

In the end I am glad I came to the thread. My wife is considering a Roku for many of those reasons. I do think we'll get through the setup just fine though, and if we don't and have as many issues as you did, we'll just exchange it first, or at least try and figure out what we're doing wrong.

dugbug
Jun 27, 2013, 08:07 AM
maybe the op should try the plexconnect for expanding an apple tv's channels.

I never got a roku but I respect what they are doing: bringing the tivo one-search-for-it-all.

waw74
Jun 27, 2013, 08:14 AM
I know this has been asked and I will look, but I thought I would ask you since you said you liked it. How are the channels like Disney?

check out www.roku.com/channels (http://www.roku.com/channels)
each channel is what the developer makes of it, much like the app store on iOS, some apps might sound great but are absolute cr**. and then there are a lot that have no interest to me, there are tons of religion channels, a lot of the mega-churches have their own channels set up so you can re-watch their sermons.
thankfully most of the channels are free, so you can check them out. although a lot require a subscription to get the video, (like netflix)

i mostly use netflix, amazon prime, and plex.
ocassionally if i'm traveling, i'll use pandora (i prefer music to be in the room, not out of my laptop speakers) (at home i have a stereo with airplay)

it does have games, but i'm not really a gamer, played the free angry birds game, it actually works pretty well with the accelerometer in the remote.
games you normally have to pay for.

if you read the description of the disney channel it says.
Experience the magic of Disney anytime! Rock out to Music Videos and laugh along to Clips from your favorite Disney Stars. See what TV shows and movies are Coming Soon and much more. All from Disney!
so sounds like you get music videos, but no whole shows, just previews and clips.

powaking
Jun 27, 2013, 09:01 AM
I have an original Roku and have never had a problem. Connects to my Asus router just fine. I am thinking of upgrading as the lack of memory is keeping me from adding more channels (and the inability to do a global search between Netflix/Amazon and other channels). Although I have been giving the :apple:TV a consideration as we all have iOS devices and being able to do mirroring (not just for streaming but game playing with the kids) is intriguing.

LorenK
Jun 27, 2013, 10:11 AM
I always wonder why people bother with these devices. I have my Mac Pro connected directly to my receiver, so I just switch input devices and I see my desktop on the screen and watch whatever movies I want through VLC or use Safari to watch online content. I also have a PlayStation 3 through which I want NetFlix and other online content. I realize that there is a cost difference between these little devices and my Mac Pro, but as I have the computer in my family room anyway makes more sense to direct connect.

sparrky
Jun 27, 2013, 10:43 AM
The Apple TV can't stream Amazon, but it can AirPlay my Mac's screen to the TV, so that basically does the same thing. Plus the fact that it can AirPlay anything on my Mac is pretty cool. :cool:

With the Plex channel you can stream media from your computer on Roku. But you don't have to be playing it on your computer, you just put it in a Plex folder and it's available at any time (also plays on your iDevices from any location). I use Plex more than any other channel. I love that it automatically puts all the metadata on your videos for you, including artwork, episode/movie description, theme music, and background artwork. It's pretty impressive. :cool:

dgalvan123
Jun 27, 2013, 10:56 AM
The first thing I had to do was connect it to a network. But no matter how carefully I checked every setting, it refused to talk to my AirPort. . . .


This was probably an AirPort problem, not a Roku problem. Which means you will probably have the same problem when you set up an Apple TV.

My brother-in-law had an Apple TV that we couldn't get to see his AirPort wifi. I had to reboot the AirPort and then it worked fine. My Aunt couldn't get her new Samsung SmartTV to see her AirPort wifi either. . . until we rebooted the AirPort and it worked fine. Don't know what it is about Apple AirPorts, but in my (admittedly limited) experience they appear to require reboots more often than other routers. (I use a 6 year old D-Link router and have never had to reboot it to get devices to detect the wifi.)


Unbelievably, if I want to set up Netflix, I have to enter the email address and password with the stupid little four arrows of the remote. Why the heck couldn't I just use the computer's keyboard?? :mad:


This is exactly the same way it works with an Apple TV.

You have to enter the login and password info for Netflix (and YouTube, Hulu, etc.)on the Apple TV itself. You can't do the setup on your mac.

The best you can do when you set up a new Apple TV, is to set up HomeSharing (enter the HomeShare name and password on your Apple TV using the four arrows on the remote), and THEN you can use the Remote App on your iphone or iPad to enter all your subsequent passwords. Or, you could use a bluetooth keyboard, which I suppose is an advantage of Apple TV over Roku.

dugbug
Jun 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
I always wonder why people bother with these devices. I have my Mac Pro connected directly to my receiver, so I just switch input devices and I see my desktop on the screen and watch whatever movies I want through VLC or use Safari to watch online content.

wait till you have kids.

Jazwire
Jun 27, 2013, 02:49 PM
wait till you have kids.

This ^

E.Lizardo
Jun 27, 2013, 09:03 PM
I always wonder why people bother with these devices. I have my Mac Pro connected directly to my receiver, so I just switch input devices and I see my desktop on the screen and watch whatever movies I want through VLC or use Safari to watch online content. I also have a PlayStation 3 through which I want NetFlix and other online content. I realize that there is a cost difference between these little devices and my Mac Pro, but as I have the computer in my family room anyway makes more sense to direct connect.

You answered your own question.Many(most?)people don't have their computer next to their TV.Though lots do use a mac mini but it's a bit more than $99.

marzer
Jun 27, 2013, 11:03 PM
I always wonder why people bother with these devices. I have my Mac Pro connected directly to my receiver, so I just switch input devices and I see my desktop on the screen and watch whatever movies I want through VLC or use Safari to watch online content. I also have a PlayStation 3 through which I want NetFlix and other online content. I realize that there is a cost difference between these little devices and my Mac Pro, but as I have the computer in my family room anyway makes more sense to direct connect.

Whole home integration, common and intuitive interface from room to room. Easy to operate by the wife and kids. And inexpensive to expand, try adding a Mac Pro to every HT setup in the house :p One Mac mini, however, takes care of them all.

troy14
Jun 28, 2013, 03:20 PM
I have a jailbroken Apple TV 2 running Plex, and a Mac Mini running Plex server (2011 model) with all of my content on a 3tb external via fw800. It's an awesome setup for my T.V in my room.

I wanted to watch T.V in our living room and put movies / tv shows on for my parents on our 55''. I went and bought a Roku 3.... I think it's awesome.

Setup was fine with my Airport Extreme 5th gen, connected to WiFi fine. Was a little surprised I had to have a Roku account - but I made one and no problems.

Setting up Netflix I was indeed like "typing this kind of sucks using the arrows"...once I had entered my login information...that's the only time I'll ever have to do that. Took maybe 30 seconds extra. Boo hoo.

Plex is a different interface and i'm sure not if I love it or hate it yet, but most importantly, it works just as good (if not better) than my Apple TV 2.

The remote having a headphone jack is awesome too, in my opinion. People with more dedicated tv spots where it won't bother anyone I guess it wouldn't matter.

The Roku 3 is very snappy as well, no lag between menus or channels.

I'll be keeping mine.

chumawumba
Jun 28, 2013, 04:39 PM
I own 4 Apple TVs and I just bought Roku 3 this monday.

So far I have no problems with it, and I am currently using it over Apple TV.
It's a great product.

StinDaWg
Jun 28, 2013, 05:06 PM
You answered your own question.Many(most?)people don't have their computer next to their TV.Though lots do use a mac mini but it's a bit more than $99.
You can build a Windows pc for less than $200 that will do everything these boxes can and more. If you have some spare parts laying around, even better. That's the route I took and I'm completely satisfied. It can play anything and everything. I also use Firefox as a big screen web browser, both to watch videos and just browse the net.

palmharbor
Jun 28, 2013, 06:50 PM
So, it's bad because you couldn't set it up ?

You really should have spent some more effort on it and got it working so you could truly evaluate it.

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I think what he was saying he was fed up, these units should not require
a network engineer to set up. All they are is money machines for the sites
that charge for the same programing available on Dish, Direct or Verizon FIOS,
Its all pay for this pay for that.... you buy a unit so you can add to the revenue stream of these companies. Nothing is cheap and the quality is only fair...and the WIFI is frequently problematic at best.

Plutonius
Jun 28, 2013, 11:07 PM
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I think what he was saying he was fed up, these units should not require
a network engineer to set up. All they are is money machines for the sites
that charge for the same programing available on Dish, Direct or Verizon FIOS,
Its all pay for this pay for that.... you buy a unit so you can add to the revenue stream of these companies. Nothing is cheap and the quality is only fair...and the WIFI is frequently problematic at best.

I would have to say the Roku build quality is good although I'll agree with you that their WiFi is not the best.

charliex5
Jun 29, 2013, 01:32 AM
1. you won't have 5.1 surround sound, may not be an issue for you.
2. if airplay mirroring is working at it's best, it will still have low frame rate, which you will see in fast action, or panning shots.
3. mirroring only works if your mac was made in the past couple years (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5404).
4. you have to have your computer handy, you can't just use the remote in your hand to control it.
5. you can't shut the screen off, so you have the macbook flashing beside you while you're trying to watch TV
6. And probably the most important, no amazon prime in HD on the computer (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201112530). so your quality will be lower before airplay gets involved.


So I've never used a Roku but I have an ATV which I think is great. Just wanted to address some of the things you posted about.

1. Yeah, for some people this could certainly be a deal breaker.
2. I haven't had any issues with Airplay mirroring. Neither have two of my friends who have ATVs. Strange.
4. Not sure I understand what this means.
5. Just turn the brightness all the way down or turn your computer around.

E.Lizardo
Jun 29, 2013, 09:08 PM
You can build a Windows pc for less than $200 that will do everything these boxes can and more. If you have some spare parts laying around, even better. That's the route I took and I'm completely satisfied. It can play anything and everything. I also use Firefox as a big screen web browser, both to watch videos and just browse the net.

That's a good solution for those that want to go that route.But there's really no need to wonder why many don't.

mccoy015
Jun 29, 2013, 10:01 PM
I have an Apple TV 3 and a Roku 2 XS. Both are great little devices but the Apple TV is 100x more reliable. My roku needs rebooted at least once a week due to wifi issues or sluggish scrolling.

joshdammit
Jun 30, 2013, 04:25 AM
You can build a Windows pc for less than $200 that will do everything these boxes can and more. If you have some spare parts laying around, even better. That's the route I took and I'm completely satisfied. It can play anything and everything. I also use Firefox as a big screen web browser, both to watch videos and just browse the net.

Why do you nerds have such a hard time comprehending that the average family doesn't feel like going through all the geekery that you/we (I'm actually one of you guys, I have a similar setup in my house, although I do use the Apple TV as a middle man even though I don't need to) go through? Just because WE enjoy building computers (with "spare parts laying around," because we all know everybody has spare PC hardware laying around,) and hooking them to our tv, and then switching the input to the tv, and then sitting down on the couch with the mouse and keyboard and navigating through Windows and opening whatever files/websites they need and then putting the respective program/plugin into fullscreen mode?

"lol it isnt that hard" NOT the point. This is very simple to us. It's not to everybody, and to some, they just don't want to go through the hassle when a simple $99 box can streamline most of the entire process.

"but you can do more with a-" DOESN'T MATTER. These families aren't looking to build a $200 Windows "box," make room for it in the entertainment center ("LOL THEIR NOT EVEN THAT BIG! I MADE A REALLY SMALL ONE FOR-" that's nice,) and then show their kids how to point and click their way to the movies they want to watch. They just want something that plays Netflix and maybe whatever's in their computer's media library, as painlessly as possible.

"but all you gotta do is-" Stop, STOP. NO. You are not the voice of consumers, nor are you the voice of the industry if the direction lately is any indication. There's a reason everybody doesn't do it your way. And no, it's not because everybody is an idiot and you're a super-genius. It's because you're out of touch with reality.

Let them use their Roku or their Apple TV. The entire TV media hub industry isn't going to shrivel up and die because you think it's pointless.

StinDaWg
Jun 30, 2013, 11:40 PM
Why do you nerds have such a hard time comprehending that the average family doesn't feel like going through all the geekery that you/we (I'm actually one of you guys, I have a similar setup in my house, although I do use the Apple TV as a middle man even though I don't need to) go through? Just because WE enjoy building computers (with "spare parts laying around," because we all know everybody has spare PC hardware laying around,) and hooking them to our tv, and then switching the input to the tv, and then sitting down on the couch with the mouse and keyboard and navigating through Windows and opening whatever files/websites they need and then putting the respective program/plugin into fullscreen mode?

"lol it isnt that hard" NOT the point. This is very simple to us. It's not to everybody, and to some, they just don't want to go through the hassle when a simple $99 box can streamline most of the entire process.

"but you can do more with a-" DOESN'T MATTER. These families aren't looking to build a $200 Windows "box," make room for it in the entertainment center ("LOL THEIR NOT EVEN THAT BIG! I MADE A REALLY SMALL ONE FOR-" that's nice,) and then show their kids how to point and click their way to the movies they want to watch. They just want something that plays Netflix and maybe whatever's in their computer's media library, as painlessly as possible.

"but all you gotta do is-" Stop, STOP. NO. You are not the voice of consumers, nor are you the voice of the industry if the direction lately is any indication. There's a reason everybody doesn't do it your way. And no, it's not because everybody is an idiot and you're a super-genius. It's because you're out of touch with reality.

Let them use their Roku or their Apple TV. The entire TV media hub industry isn't going to shrivel up and die because you think it's pointless.

I don't have kids, and I don't know where I implied that this is the only way to go, but I would certainly recommend it for anyone who can put in even an ounce of time to get a far superior product. I use a case that is about the size of a cable box, and basically looks like one too. I don't use a keyboard and mouse, I have a $25 backlit Lenovo HTPC remote that I am using to type this as I lay on the couch. I don't go opening folders and then "fullscreening them", I use XBMC which automatically organizes everything. I can give the remote to anyone, and they will have no problem navigating around or finding what they need. Sure, it takes a couple of hours to set everything up, but it's completely worth it. I would be so frustrated only using a Roku/ATV. The functionality is very limited. Just because it may sound intimidating to some doesn't mean they shouldn't at least look into it. Sure, I would never recommend this setup for my grandma, but she doesn't know how to use a smart phone either. You'd be surprised at how many "normal" people are just hooking up their laptops to their tv to do some of this stuff. Kids have iphones at 5 years old now. It's completely insane how fast technology is progressing, and I think you're underestimating the abilities of a lot people, especially the younger generation and those that will follow.

http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-12-03/25_Silverstone_Case_01.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8110/8572369752_11a86b11ed_b.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17j5vji0u1kt2jpg/original.jpg

http://wiki.xbmc.org/images/0/0d/Aeon_Nox_-_showcase_recentadded.jpg

Toe
Jul 1, 2013, 09:43 PM
This is exactly the same way it works with an Apple TV.

You have to enter the login and password info for Netflix (and YouTube, Hulu, etc.)on the Apple TV itself. You can't do the setup on your mac.

I find this to be astonishing news. This was really my biggest issue with the Roku. I was not able to set it up without accessing their website from my computer. From that point forward, why they *%$@ should I need to use the stupid four little arrows to type in complex passwords? And Apple does this too? I think I'm just not ready for these devices if they're that poorly conceived. (So I'm a perfectionist. That's why I use Macs in the first place.)

In fact, both devices have USB ports and both have ethernet ports. I shouldn't even need to enter my wifi password (which is very long, thank you) since there are obvious ways they could be made to connect directly to a device with a luxurious keyboard.

Steve Jobs had a reputation for impatience with stupid imperfections, especially in user interface. What, did he never set up his own ATV? Amazing.

I know it may sound hyper-critical, but it's just such a dumb oversight. Millions of people each waste a bunch of time and frustration trying to type with arrows because a development team couldn't spend a few days thinking through the obvious.

For now, I'll just stick with my stupid "smart" TV and my HDMI cable direct into my MBP. Maybe someday I'll calm down and put up with the ridiculous ritual of arrow-typing, but... just so frustrating. Why?

P.S. As for the AirPort being the problem; I don't think that was it. The way I did get it to work was some ridiculous hack I found on one blog (http://blog.paulneto.com/2013/04/the-annoying-roku-error-code-014-and-013.html) (Roku website was beyond useless; just showed me a ultra-basic setup video) that got it to work. Rebooting AP didn't do anything. But the Roku made sure I had to type my complex wifi password again and again and again and again with the stupid little arrows. Sometimes wifi worked, sometimes it didn't. (And no, my wifi signal was no problem.)

waw74
Jul 2, 2013, 01:12 PM
I find this to be astonishing news. This was really my biggest issue with the Roku. I was not able to set it up without accessing their website from my computer. From that point forward, why they *%$@ should I need to use the stupid four little arrows to type in complex passwords? And Apple does this too? I think I'm just not ready for these devices if they're that poorly conceived.
for roku, you have to set up an account in their channel store, after that, you can do everything on the roku itself.
for apple since they don't have a store, no need to set up an account.

talk to netflix, other channels like rdio will give you a code in the app, then you go to the rdio website on your computer and type in the code. no typing on the roku.

(So I'm a perfectionist. That's why I use Macs in the first place.)

:rolleyes:

In fact, both devices have USB ports and both have ethernet ports. I shouldn't even need to enter my wifi password (which is very long, thank you) since there are obvious ways they could be made to connect directly to a device with a luxurious keyboard.
no they don't.
the USB port on the aTV is a B version, so the kind you find on a peripheral not a computer.
in much the same way that you can't plug a keyboard into a hard drive, you can't plug a keyboard into the aTV.

both atv and roku have iOS apps that will let you use the keyboard on your iOS device.
atv will let you use an apple bluetooth keyboard.

II know it may sound hyper-critical, but it's just such a dumb oversight. Millions of people each waste a bunch of time and frustration trying to type with arrows because a development team couldn't spend a few days thinking through the obvious.

i've had my first aTV2 for at least 2 years, i spent maybe 5 minutes (on the outside) typing in my passwords. so .00047 percent of the time i've owned it.

on roku, you don't need to type any thing with the remote.
plug it into etherent, and connect via the iOS app. after that you can even type the wireless password from the app, and then disconnect the wired connection.

aTV won't let you access wireless networks if it's hardwired.



...complex passwords...
...my wifi password (which is very long, thank you) ...
...my complex wifi password...

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-howto/31914-how-to-crack-wpa-wpa2-2012?start=4
even 7 characters can take more than 10 days to crack.
8 is more than sufficient for home use.
if you're that concerned about network security, turn off all wireless and go wired.

RoboWarriorSr
Jul 2, 2013, 08:44 PM
This is exactly the same way it works with an Apple TV.

You have to enter the login and password info for Netflix (and YouTube, Hulu, etc.)on the Apple TV itself. You can't do the setup on your mac.

The best you can do when you set up a new Apple TV, is to set up HomeSharing (enter the HomeShare name and password on your Apple TV using the four arrows on the remote), and THEN you can use the Remote App on your iphone or iPad to enter all your subsequent passwords. Or, you could use a bluetooth keyboard, which I suppose is an advantage of Apple TV over Roku.

No if you set up with the remote app on an iPhone or iPad, you can use the keyboard which is a huge improvement. This can be done right after you connect the tv to your network with the stainless steel remote.

Scarpad
Jul 3, 2013, 10:11 AM
Yeah my Roku 3 was up and running in about 5 min, putting in passwords for apps is just a necessity and not that hard. I use the Roku more than my Apple TV, mainly for Plex, MLB TV and AMAZON

dgalvan123
Jul 3, 2013, 05:01 PM
No if you set up with the remote app on an iPhone or iPad, you can use the keyboard which is a huge improvement. This can be done right after you connect the tv to your network with the stainless steel remote.

Yeah. . . that's what I said.


This is exactly the same way it works with an Apple TV.

You have to enter the login and password info for Netflix (and YouTube, Hulu, etc.)on the Apple TV itself. You can't do the setup on your mac.

The best you can do when you set up a new Apple TV, is to set up HomeSharing (enter the HomeShare name and password on your Apple TV using the four arrows on the remote), and THEN you can use the Remote App on your iphone or iPad to enter all your subsequent passwords. Or, you could use a bluetooth keyboard, which I suppose is an advantage of Apple TV over Roku.

RoboWarriorSr
Jul 3, 2013, 05:02 PM
Yeah. . . that's what I said.

Quoted wrong guy sorry :/

enfanteribl
Jul 3, 2013, 05:52 PM
I don't have kids, and I don't know where I implied that this is the only way to go, but I would certainly recommend it for anyone who can put in even an ounce of time to get a far superior product. I use a case that is about the size of a cable box, and basically looks like one too. I don't use a keyboard and mouse, I have a $25 backlit Lenovo HTPC remote that I am using to type this as I lay on the couch. I don't go opening folders and then "fullscreening them", I use XBMC which automatically organizes everything. I can give the remote to anyone, and they will have no problem navigating around or finding what they need. Sure, it takes a couple of hours to set everything up, but it's completely worth it. I would be so frustrated only using a Roku/ATV. The functionality is very limited. Just because it may sound intimidating to some doesn't mean they shouldn't at least look into it. Sure, I would never recommend this setup for my grandma, but she doesn't know how to use a smart phone either. You'd be surprised at how many "normal" people are just hooking up their laptops to their tv to do some of this stuff. Kids have iphones at 5 years old now. It's completely insane how fast technology is progressing, and I think you're underestimating the abilities of a lot people, especially the younger generation and those that will follow.

Image (http://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2012-12-03/25_Silverstone_Case_01.jpg)

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That does look good. Are there ways of getting XMBC on ATV 3 yet?

Toe
Jul 4, 2013, 12:48 PM
for roku, you have to set up an account in their channel store, after that, you can do everything on the roku itself.
for apple since they don't have a store, no need to set up an account.

That's what I mean... what the heck are these companies thinking? Since the first thing Roku does is require you to use a computer, why can't they allow you to use that computer to set up channels?

Not that Apple is apparently better. Both companies seem to be really dropping the ball here.

no they don't.
the USB port on the aTV is a B version, so the kind you find on a peripheral not a computer.
in much the same way that you can't plug a keyboard into a hard drive, you can't plug a keyboard into the aTV.
I'm not suggesting one plug in a keyboard to either device... but rather that one directly connect the computer. No it's not possible on either, but it certainly could be and so it's a big oversight that it is not.

both atv and roku have iOS apps that will let you use the keyboard on your iOS device.
After you have set up wifi on the device and after you have gotten the app paired with the device. For whatever reason, I could get neither to work (as per my op; and btw, yes I did reboot everything in the chain; even my iPhone).

i've had my first aTV2 for at least 2 years, i spent maybe 5 minutes (on the outside) typing in my passwords. so .00047 percent of the time i've owned it.
I had the Roku on for about an hour and a half and I spent about an hour and a half trying to get it configured. Which involved thousands of clicks on those four stupid little arrows.

Mind you, at some point in that hour and a half, I had each part of the equation working. But never did I reliably have the full thing working. So 100% of the time I had it, it sucked.

on roku, you don't need to type any thing with the remote.
plug it into etherent, and connect via the iOS app. after that you can even type the wireless password from the app, and then disconnect the wired connection.
Yes, I tried that. The app connected to the Roku the first time I used it, then lost its connection. I got it back once, but then it kept failing. So I tried to manually enter the IP, and the app would not accept keyed input into the IP field. Period. I would press numbers, and they would not show in the app. Force-quit the app, reboot the iPhone... and still no. Not sure wtf happened there, but to me it looked like Roku had some lousy programmers. (And yes, of course my iPhone is up to date.)

aTV won't let you access wireless networks if it's hardwired.
Wow. That's incredibly stupid.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-howto/31914-how-to-crack-wpa-wpa2-2012?start=4
even 7 characters can take more than 10 days to crack.
8 is more than sufficient for home use.
That's some dangerous misinformation. It assumes the only kind of attack that ever occurs is brute-force. But with wifi hacking, the most common approach is to look for packet vulnerabilities and/or backdoors. Security is not about protecting from the known but also from the unknown. And a longer password is much, much safer than a short one for several different reasons.

I do agree that passwords don't have to be complex in terms of characterization (that is "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" is much safer than "1Gh8*i"), but it would be very misguided to think that 8 characters is great security.

if you're that concerned about network security, turn off all wireless and go wired.
I'll do you one better. If you want perfect security, turn off networking, unplug the computer's power supply, smash everything to pieces, grind the memory and hard drive to dust, then incinerate the whole thing. That is the only way to achieve (nearly) perfect computer security.

I use wifi because it is safe with the proper precautions and it affords a great deal more convenience and possibility.

And as far as being concerned about security, it's not a question of whether or not one should be concerned, but rather whether or not one understands enough to know why it is crucial to take good security measures. A wired network is by no means sufficient security if it is connected to the internet.

lexvo
Jul 5, 2013, 05:02 PM
1. you won't have 5.1 surround sound, may not be an issue for you.
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Can someone explain this for me?
The specifications of the ATV say "Dolby 5.1 pass through"?
If I play a movie from my iMac with 5.1 sound, ATV will pass this to my amplifier?