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MrGrutty
Jun 29, 2013, 07:37 AM
Hi all.

I'm looking to buy a MacBook for my study. At first I thought a MBP was going to be my choice, but then it didn't get the haswell with it's improved battery life and graphics performance, so now I'm more leaning towards the new MBA.

For the things I want to do with it: light gaming and word processing, surfing, watching movies and that's about it. No heavy lifting except for these games. I don't really play graphic intensive games, however it would be awesome to play Assassin's Creed 3 and possibly 4 in the future (low-med is fine). Still haven't played those...

Is this possible, like at all? Is the base-model 13" good enough or will it be needing more RAM or a better CPU? Also, I have a USB 3.0 1TB external hard drive. On that I would install my games and stuff I don't need all the time. Would a 128 GB HDD be enough then?

I would really like your opinion on this guys. Thanks.



AppleMacNerd
Jun 29, 2013, 08:12 AM
Hi all.

I'm looking to buy a MacBook for my study. At first I thought a MBP was going to be my choice, but then it didn't get the haswell with it's improved battery life and graphics performance, so now I'm more leaning towards the new MBA.

For the things I want to do with it: light gaming and word processing, surfing, watching movies and that's about it. No heavy lifting except for these games. I don't really play graphic intensive games, however it would be awesome to play Assassin's Creed 3 and possibly 4 in the future (low-med is fine). Still haven't played those...

Is this possible, like at all? Is the base-model 13" good enough or will it be needing more RAM or a better CPU? Also, I have a USB 3.0 1TB external hard drive. On that I would install my games and stuff I don't need all the time. Would a 128 GB HDD be enough then?

I would really like your opinion on this guys. Thanks.

From my experience if I can play on my 2011 MBA full settings minecraft is it possible however the fans kick in straight away, keep the settings on low and the fan stays low.
I'm guessing with the 2013 you will need to wait for someone who has tried gaming on it, but I'm having a good guess at staying it would run them games on low atleast with the fans been moderately quiet.

I'd go for the 8GB Ram just because it tends to be the new 4GB. Most people now adays will always recommend 8GB ram but I can play a fair amount of games on my MBA with only 4GB.
Personally I'd stay with the i5 normal and not upgrade and this may also affect your battery life.
128GB will be fine for just for OSX if your using a 1TB HDD for (most) of your documents and mostly all games.
I run a 128GB SSD with OSX and quite a few applications/documents and still have 80GB spare :)

Just wait for someone who has played around with games on the 2013 MBA for a 100% answer.

ylrd
Jun 29, 2013, 09:04 AM
13" - good screen size/resolution and perfect for your daily tasks and gaming needs
i5 - no need for the i7 if you're not gonna do CPU intensive tasks (Photoshop, iMovie, Aperture, etc.)
128GB - it's the perfect size if you have an external HD for your docs and stuff, but if you don't have a secondary Mac/PC and this is gonna be your main (and only) machine, I'd recommend you to go for the 256GB
8GB RAM - like the guy above said, 8GB is the new 4GB... not too little, not too much, just perfect

And stop worrying ;)

Porkaysi
Jun 29, 2013, 12:18 PM
13" - good screen size/resolution and perfect for your daily tasks and gaming needs
i5 - no need for the i7 if you're not gonna do CPU intensive tasks (Photoshop, iMovie, Aperture, etc.)
128GB - it's the perfect size if you have an external HD for your docs and stuff, but if you don't have a secondary Mac/PC and this is gonna be your main (and only) machine, I'd recommend you to go for the 256GB
8GB RAM - like the guy above said, 8GB is the new 4GB... not too little, not too much, just perfect

And stop worrying ;)

I7 has a 10% higher clock on gpu and of course better cpu. Should give the air slighted better gaming performance.

mattferg
Jun 29, 2013, 12:42 PM
Hi all.

I'm looking to buy a MacBook for my study. At first I thought a MBP was going to be my choice, but then it didn't get the haswell with it's improved battery life and graphics performance, so now I'm more leaning towards the new MBA.

For the things I want to do with it: light gaming and word processing, surfing, watching movies and that's about it. No heavy lifting except for these games. I don't really play graphic intensive games, however it would be awesome to play Assassin's Creed 3 and possibly 4 in the future (low-med is fine). Still haven't played those...

Is this possible, like at all? Is the base-model 13" good enough or will it be needing more RAM or a better CPU? Also, I have a USB 3.0 1TB external hard drive. On that I would install my games and stuff I don't need all the time. Would a 128 GB HDD be enough then?

I would really like your opinion on this guys. Thanks.

Depending on how much you have to spend, I'd say minimum i5/8GB/128 and preferred i5/8GB/256, anything more than that is either overkill or crazy overpriced.

As for games, the bottleneck is the 5000 graphics, so spending more money for a higher clocked CPU is a waste, regardless of whether it increases the 5000 clock speed or not, as that's not going to affect performance of games that much.

MrGrutty
Jun 29, 2013, 03:34 PM
Just wait for someone who has played around with games on the 2013 MBA for a 100% answer.
I've found this post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1594690). Looks quite promising in terms of performance!

And stop worrying ;)
lol :)

128GB - it's the perfect size if you have an external HD for your docs and stuff, but if you don't have a secondary Mac/PC and this is gonna be your main (and only) machine, I'd recommend you to go for the 256GB

I now have a windows laptop, but I was planning to get rid of it and make the air my main and only machine.

Depending on how much you have to spend, I'd say minimum i5/8GB/128 and preferred i5/8GB/256, anything more than that is either overkill or crazy overpriced.

As for games, the bottleneck is the 5000 graphics, so spending more money for a higher clocked CPU is a waste, regardless of whether it increases the 5000 clock speed or not, as that's not going to affect performance of games that much.

Yeah. That's a bit of a problem. Budget wise, I actually can't afford AND 8GB RAM, AND 256 GB HDD. So yeah.

It's like upgrade one: RAM, HDD or CPU.

So. RAM it is, then?

Memole
Jun 29, 2013, 04:45 PM
yes go for the ram

as for CPU you wont have much improvement and battery life will be shorter

as for storage 128 is ok and later you can buy USB or TB external HDD for your documents music and so :)

tann
Jun 29, 2013, 05:14 PM
I would say, if you can, get the following:

8gb ram - this will just be handy to have, especially since it appears to be your main machine.

256gb - because you want to play the games you say (they aren't on Mac) you will need to bootcamp... I would never recommend bootcamping with a 128gb hard drive (especially if you intend on using both partitions like you want) because it leaves very little room for apps and files (even with an external hard drive). I read before I got my SSD for my MBP that a general rule of thumb is to have about 10% of your SSD free, after it goes to less than that performance drops.

the 128gb comes with about 110gb free (I believe) so half of that is 55gb. 55gb - 20gb (for windows 7 64bit) leaves 35gb to use. Keep about 6gb free, so 29 gb to play with. Yes that is a good amount of room, but remember some games these days can take up 15gbs alone.

So if you can manage to only keep a few installed at any point, then you should be fine. But as I said above, I just recommend the 256 for bootcamping. Because 55gb really isn't much especially for a few years (at least for the people I know).

i5 - the i7 will do very little for you.

MrGrutty
Jun 29, 2013, 08:25 PM
I would say, if you can, get the following:

8gb ram - this will just be handy to have, especially since it appears to be your main machine.

256gb - because you want to play the games you say (they aren't on Mac) you will need to bootcamp... I would never recommend bootcamping with a 128gb hard drive (especially if you intend on using both partitions like you want) because it leaves very little room for apps and files (even with an external hard drive). I read before I got my SSD for my MBP that a general rule of thumb is to have about 10% of your SSD free, after it goes to less than that performance drops.

the 128gb comes with about 110gb free (I believe) so half of that is 55gb. 55gb - 20gb (for windows 7 64bit) leaves 35gb to use. Keep about 6gb free, so 29 gb to play with. Yes that is a good amount of room, but remember some games these days can take up 15gbs alone.

So if you can manage to only keep a few installed at any point, then you should be fine. But as I said above, I just recommend the 256 for bootcamping. Because 55gb really isn't much especially for a few years (at least for the people I know).

i5 - the i7 will do very little for you.

You really do have a point there. I can also recall that some PC games require you to install the game on the main drive and you can't install it on any other one. Thanks. Maybe I have to get a bit more money together and go for i5/8/256 then... :rolleyes:

r6mile
Jun 30, 2013, 02:50 AM
You really do have a point there. I can also recall that some PC games require you to install the game on the main drive and you can't install it on any other one. Thanks. Maybe I have to get a bit more money together and go for i5/8/256 then... :rolleyes:

You can probably stick your games in a USB 3.0 external drive and barely suffer any performance decrease. They make take a bit longer to load, but otherwise they should run just as well. Saying that, I went with the 128GB and decided not to install a Windows partition - native Mac only for me. I have 30GB of music which I want to keep internal, so soon enough I'll have to start sticking games in my external.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 03:06 AM
@MrGrutty

I have basically the exact same necessities as you, and have decided on the i5/8gb/256 model. I've looked around on some threads, and have discovered that i5 is actually better for both battery and heat. Would be a plus for you when you're studying or gaming. Trying to place an order, but need to wait for approval in my country...sigh.

MrGrutty
Jun 30, 2013, 03:00 PM
@MrGrutty

I have basically the exact same necessities as you, and have decided on the i5/8gb/256 model. I've looked around on some threads, and have discovered that i5 is actually better for both battery and heat. Would be a plus for you when you're studying or gaming. Trying to place an order, but need to wait for approval in my country...sigh.

Nice to know someone else's making the same decisions :)

Appledreamer
Jun 30, 2013, 03:29 PM
Hi all.

I'm looking to buy a MacBook for my study. At first I thought a MBP was going to be my choice, but then it didn't get the haswell with it's improved battery life and graphics performance, so now I'm more leaning towards the new MBA.

For the things I want to do with it: light gaming and word processing, surfing, watching movies and that's about it. No heavy lifting except for these games. I don't really play graphic intensive games, however it would be awesome to play Assassin's Creed 3 and possibly 4 in the future (low-med is fine). Still haven't played those...

Is this possible, like at all? Is the base-model 13" good enough or will it be needing more RAM or a better CPU? Also, I have a USB 3.0 1TB external hard drive. On that I would install my games and stuff I don't need all the time. Would a 128 GB HDD be enough then?

I would really like your opinion on this guys. Thanks.


i5/4gb/128

i do gaming and web and mail with photo editing and it runs sweet has even had its fan on yet.

mattferg
Jun 30, 2013, 06:37 PM
I7 has a 10% higher clock on gpu and of course better cpu. Should give the air slighted better gaming performance.

bottleneck is the GPU so CPU improvements are nullified.

MrGrutty
Jul 1, 2013, 01:02 AM
Let's make this a bit more silly with one last question: Is waiting for the next gen MBP not a better idea? Or is the air a good choice for me?

hkim1983
Jul 1, 2013, 01:34 AM
Let's make this a bit more silly with one last question: Is waiting for the next gen MBP not a better idea? Or is the air a good choice for me?

I assume you're referring to the 15" rMBP refresh and not the 13" one. The only meaningful difference between the 13" rMBP and 13" Air is whether or not you value the retina screen. You could make minor concessions either way aside from that, but that's really the crux of the issue.

As for the 15" rMBP, well, unless you're doing cpu intensive work that utilizes the 4 (8) cores, such as serious video encoding, or you want to get a lot more out of gaming on your mac (a dedicated gpu), there's very little reason to get a 15".

MrGrutty
Jul 1, 2013, 12:01 PM
I assume you're referring to the 15" rMBP refresh and not the 13" one. The only meaningful difference between the 13" rMBP and 13" Air is whether or not you value the retina screen. You could make minor concessions either way aside from that, but that's really the crux of the issue.

As for the 15" rMBP, well, unless you're doing cpu intensive work that utilizes the 4 (8) cores, such as serious video encoding, or you want to get a lot more out of gaming on your mac (a dedicated gpu), there's very little reason to get a 15".

Being able to play games better sure is something I would like, but the problem with the 15" models is the price. If they would just make the 13" MBP with external graphics I would buy that one. But in this case, you are right. 15" is just too expensive and choosing between 13" Air and Pro is easy. Go Air! :)

Porkaysi
Jul 1, 2013, 02:54 PM
bottleneck is the GPU so CPU improvements are nullified.

Still there is a clock speed increases in gpu, not much but still makes it a better chip to play games on.

MrGrutty
Jul 2, 2013, 01:59 AM
Still there is a clock speed increases in gpu, not much but still makes it a better chip to play games on.

So, what configuration do you think I should take?

Porkaysi
Jul 2, 2013, 07:11 AM
So, what configuration do you think I should take?

i7 will perform better but i honestly can not give you a solid difference in FPS, but anandtech writer tweeted about comparing the i7 vs i5 air and should be up soon. i would also read up on the hd 5000 gaming thread on this forum for FPS to compare.

MrGrutty
Jul 3, 2013, 02:02 AM
Okay guys. These are possible:

i5/4/256
i7/8/128


I could also buy it in half a year and get i5/8/256, but I want to take advantage of the BTS promo that runs until september.

So yeah. It comes down to either performance or internal storing capacity. :confused:

Wish I had the money to always get exactly what I wanted :p

Tanax
Jul 3, 2013, 03:58 AM
I assume you're referring to the 15" rMBP refresh and not the 13" one. The only meaningful difference between the 13" rMBP and 13" Air is whether or not you value the retina screen. You could make minor concessions either way aside from that, but that's really the crux of the issue.

As for the 15" rMBP, well, unless you're doing cpu intensive work that utilizes the 4 (8) cores, such as serious video encoding, or you want to get a lot more out of gaming on your mac (a dedicated gpu), there's very little reason to get a 15".

Unless the 13" rMBP gets the Iris Pro graphics..

MrGrutty
Jul 3, 2013, 04:34 AM
Unless the 13" rMBP gets the Iris Pro graphics..

Indeed. But reconsidering this matter, I think this model will be too expensive for me. Let's stick to the Air here now :)

Tanax
Jul 3, 2013, 05:05 AM
Indeed. But reconsidering this matter, I think this model will be too expensive for me. Let's stick to the Air here now :)

Of course it is your choice and it might be the completely correct choice based on your usage. But considering the rMBP also gets the $100 price drop that the 2013 Air got, a rMBP 13" i5/8/128 would be $1399 and an Air 13" i5/8/128 would be $1199 so it's only $200 difference.

For that difference you'll get a better processor, better graphics (if they go with the Iris Pro), better screen and, if Apple doesn't make it thinner, slightly less or same battery life as the Air even with the better processor and better screen due to more battery-space.

As said, your choice and the Air might fit you better but I will definitely wait and see what the rMBP update brings!

Steve121178
Jul 3, 2013, 05:12 AM
i5/8GB RAM and 256/512GB drive, depending on what you need/can afford.

MrGrutty
Jul 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
Of course it is your choice and it might be the completely correct choice based on your usage. But considering the rMBP also gets the $100 price drop that the 2013 Air got, a rMBP 13" i5/8/128 would be $1399 and an Air 13" i5/8/128 would be $1199 so it's only $200 difference.

For that difference you'll get a better processor, better graphics (if they go with the Iris Pro), better screen and, if Apple doesn't make it thinner, slightly less or same battery life as the Air even with the better processor and better screen due to more battery-space.

As said, your choice and the Air might fit you better but I will definitely wait and see what the rMBP update brings!

That is an option, if I would have the money and if this price drop would actually happen, which I don't expect.

I don't even know if the 13" pro will be getting Iris. The 13" never got a proportionally better graphics card than the Air, just a higher clock speed CPU.

On top of that is the fact that I want to get the MBA in the BTS and before my year starts. But that's just my inpatiency lol :)

tbolt11
Jul 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
going with the i7 gives you a slight bump in the GPU, despite people saying otherwise above.

Tanax
Jul 3, 2013, 04:44 PM
That is an option, if I would have the money and if this price drop would actually happen, which I don't expect.

I don't even know if the 13" pro will be getting Iris. The 13" never got a proportionally better graphics card than the Air, just a higher clock speed CPU.

On top of that is the fact that I want to get the MBA in the BTS and before my year starts. But that's just my inpatiency lol :)

Why don't you expect the price drop? No one expected it for the Air but it happened nontheless.

And the thing with the Iris is that it's included in the "higher clocked CPUs" and since you said the Pro gets the better CPU's, Iris might be included in it.

But of course you're right, it's only speculations. We'll see once it's released I guess :) Enjoy your Air!

Mezmorizor
Jul 3, 2013, 04:53 PM
I would go with 4GB in your situation. 4GB is way more RAM than most people here give it credit for. 8GB is really nice, but the extra hard drive space is more important for a bootcamp machine imo.


going with the i7 gives you a slight bump in the GPU, despite people saying otherwise above.

That's not true,they have the same GPU, and the i5 is more than powerful enough for any gaming that integrated graphics can do.

Psychj0e
Jul 3, 2013, 05:09 PM
People telling you that you need 8GB of ram really have no clue. Go look on Steam, no game has a recommended level of 8GB ram, because most games are coded with 32bit operating system in mind, so the max they can use is 3.2. 8GB of ram is probably a good idea if you want to play maybe two or three games at once, but seriously on a MBA? You're never ever gonna have a game that requires 8gb of ram where the HD5000 is going to be able to run it.


4GB of ram is sufficent for your needs. Save the extra money and either get a CPU bump, or a nice case ;)

MrGrutty
Jul 3, 2013, 05:24 PM
People telling you that you need 8GB of ram really have no clue. Go look on Steam, no game has a recommended level of 8GB ram, because most games are coded with 32bit operating system in mind, so the max they can use is 3.2. 8GB of ram is probably a good idea if you want to play maybe two or three games at once, but seriously on a MBA? You're never ever gonna have a game that requires 8gb of ram.


4GB of ram is sufficent for you needs. Save the extra money and either get a CPU bump, or a nice case ;)

lol you're right. 8GB is nice, but more for multitasking and heavy software. not games which will run on integrated graphics!

I would go with 4GB in your situation. 4GB is way more RAM than most people here give it credit for. 8GB is really nice, but the extra hard drive space is more important for a bootcamp machine imo.

You guys really rock! :D

Think I'm going for the i5/4/256 then. :cool:

alexrmc92
Jul 3, 2013, 06:59 PM
I use my 2013 MBA to do unity game development and to play a few games. I average around 70-90 fps in WoW using fair settings, 40 fps on good settings. Unity has yet to give me any issues in the editor or when running the games. I am actually fairly impressed with the graphic performance of the HD5000. From what i've read the MBA features the GT3 chip, which is the second best of the lineup.

I have the i5/4/256

MrGrutty
Jul 4, 2013, 04:06 AM
I use my 2013 MBA to do unity game development and to play a few games. I average around 70-90 fps in WoW using fair settings, 40 fps on good settings. Unity has yet to give me any issues in the editor or when running the games. I am actually fairly impressed with the graphic performance of the HD5000. From what i've read the MBA features the GT3 chip, which is the second best of the lineup.

I have the i5/4/256

That sounds more like it! Do you maybe have tried other games as well? I'm actually more interested in the games who run barely, just to find the limits of this little guy.

In any case, thanks to you!

keatre
Jul 4, 2013, 05:41 AM
People telling you that you need 8GB of ram really have no clue. Go look on Steam, no game has a recommended level of 8GB ram, because most games are coded with 32bit operating system in mind, so the max they can use is 3.2. 8GB of ram is probably a good idea if you want to play maybe two or three games at once, but seriously on a MBA? You're never ever gonna have a game that requires 8gb of ram where the HD5000 is going to be able to run it.

I would like to politely disagree. While I understand your point, I'll provide a counterpoint.

Most games are coded for 32-bit systems, however - the OS these days are hogging RAM as much as they can. OSX is a great example. It will use all available RAM as much as it can to offer a better experience. But we're talking about gaming, so lets say Windows.

Windows 8 requires atleast 1 GB for a minimal install on a 32-bit version. I don't understand the point of purchasing a 32-bit version of an OS these days, but if you do, then yes - buy the 4GB. But! If you purchase a 64-bit version of Windows, you're cutting yourself short. Whilst Steam games are limited to around 3GB physical memory, OS's are not.

Take this as an example, load up Windows 64-bit, and delete your pagefile. Load up Assassin's Creed III and put on some aggressive settings - I'm betting you'll see some poor performance. Games (and programs) use more than 4GB, but they use it from the windows pagefile, which is slower than loading it straight from the Memory controller. In the case of the MBA with a crazy fast SSD, maybe its a moot point (I'm betting memory is still faster, though) - but if you have a 64-bit OS, I don't understand why you would not want 8GB.

Also keep in mind, AC3 will use ALL available RAM up to the ~3.2GB. So when you load up an intense scene, and the 4 programs you have in Windows scheduled to run (Dropbox, VirusScan, whatever) attempt to fire off, it has to dedicate resources to that.

tl;dr - 32-bit version of Windows? 4GB. 64-bit? More RAM will probably help with random stutters in games or general performance, but won't raise your fps if that's what you're after. But - get the 8GB - in 6 months you'll be glad you did.

MrGrutty
Jul 4, 2013, 11:33 AM
Hi all. Anandtech just released a highly detailed comparison of the i5 and i7 options in the MacBook Air.

Click here for the article. (http://anandtech.com/show/7113/2013-macbook-air-core-i5-4250u-vs-core-i7-4650u)

One thing that caught my eye was this in the final words of the article:

GPU performance seemed roughly unchanged compared to the Core i5 option.

This for me means I'm sticking with the i5. I will do the RAM upgrade. Don't know for sure if I want to spend the money on the 256 storage upgrade, but I'm afraid I have no choice, concidering I want to bootcamp for the non-mac games...

Psychj0e
Jul 4, 2013, 11:38 AM
I would like to politely disagree. While I understand your point, I'll provide a counterpoint.

Most games are coded for 32-bit systems, however - the OS these days are hogging RAM as much as they can. OSX is a great example. It will use all available RAM as much as it can to offer a better experience. But we're talking about gaming, so lets say Windows.

Windows 8 requires atleast 1 GB for a minimal install on a 32-bit version. I don't understand the point of purchasing a 32-bit version of an OS these days, but if you do, then yes - buy the 4GB. But! If you purchase a 64-bit version of Windows, you're cutting yourself short. Whilst Steam games are limited to around 3GB physical memory, OS's are not.

Take this as an example, load up Windows 64-bit, and delete your pagefile. Load up Assassin's Creed III and put on some aggressive settings - I'm betting you'll see some poor performance. Games (and programs) use more than 4GB, but they use it from the windows pagefile, which is slower than loading it straight from the Memory controller. In the case of the MBA with a crazy fast SSD, maybe its a moot point (I'm betting memory is still faster, though) - but if you have a 64-bit OS, I don't understand why you would not want 8GB.

Also keep in mind, AC3 will use ALL available RAM up to the ~3.2GB. So when you load up an intense scene, and the 4 programs you have in Windows scheduled to run (Dropbox, VirusScan, whatever) attempt to fire off, it has to dedicate resources to that.

tl;dr - 32-bit version of Windows? 4GB. 64-bit? More RAM will probably help with random stutters in games or general performance, but won't raise your fps if that's what you're after. But - get the 8GB - in 6 months you'll be glad you did.

What kind of gamer would keep DropBox, antiVirus etc running whilst playing? :/

MrGrutty
Jul 4, 2013, 11:40 AM
What kind of gamer would keep DropBox, antiVirus etc running whilst playing? :/

A lazy gamer :D

alexrmc92
Jul 4, 2013, 08:45 PM
Hi all. Anandtech just released a highly detailed comparison of the i5 and i7 options in the MacBook Air.

Click here for the article. (http://anandtech.com/show/7113/2013-macbook-air-core-i5-4250u-vs-core-i7-4650u)

One thing that caught my eye was this in the final words of the article:



This for me means I'm sticking with the i5. I will do the RAM upgrade. Don't know for sure if I want to spend the money on the 256 storage upgrade, but I'm afraid I have no choice, concidering I want to bootcamp for the non-mac games...

The i5 and the i7 both have the exact same graphics chip (gt3), this is why i went with the i5. It would be nice if the i7 featured the gt3e, but maybe they will save that for the MBP.

the 256 and 512 samsung storage is quite a bit faster than the 128 sandisk storage. Now keep in mind the 128 sandisk drive is still much much faster than any ssd we have seen in a MBA so far.


As far as games COD BO2 maintains just under 40 fps on default settings, some minor slowdowns occur, but it's rare. Team Fortress runs in the 50 fps region. I've also played the FFXIV ARR beta on windows and stayed around 35 fps. Again these are all on defaults, performance goes down fast when increasing settings.

WoW slows down to a crawl on good settings, i believe this to be a bug with the game itself. On good settings, player and other NPC shaders don't display properly and once the laptop gets hot it slows down to under 20 fps. I expect blizzard to patch this soon.

Name a few games and ill try them out and let you know how they play.


Also, battery life tanks when using windows 7. It's current power management cant touch mac power management. I get about 5 hours of battery life in windows, the fan is constantly on (although blowing very lightly) and the laptop idles hotter. Maybe this is an issue with Intel's drivers? not sure.

MrGrutty
Jul 5, 2013, 03:45 PM
The i5 and the i7 both have the exact same graphics chip (gt3), this is why i went with the i5. It would be nice if the i7 featured the gt3e, but maybe they will save that for the MBP.

the 256 and 512 samsung storage is quite a bit faster than the 128 sandisk storage. Now keep in mind the 128 sandisk drive is still much much faster than any ssd we have seen in a MBA so far.


As far as games COD BO2 maintains just under 40 fps on default settings, some minor slowdowns occur, but it's rare. Team Fortress runs in the 50 fps region. I've also played the FFXIV ARR beta on windows and stayed around 35 fps. Again these are all on defaults, performance goes down fast when increasing settings.

WoW slows down to a crawl on good settings, i believe this to be a bug with the game itself. On good settings, player and other NPC shaders don't display properly and once the laptop gets hot it slows down to under 20 fps. I expect blizzard to patch this soon.

Name a few games and ill try them out and let you know how they play.


Also, battery life tanks when using windows 7. It's current power management cant touch mac power management. I get about 5 hours of battery life in windows, the fan is constantly on (although blowing very lightly) and the laptop idles hotter. Maybe this is an issue with Intel's drivers? not sure.

Okay. I've looked in my steam library and came with this list. Of course I don't expect you to play every one of them, but yeah... ;)


Bastion
GTA IV
Hotline Miami
Mark of the Ninja
Oil Rush
Psychonauts
Rochard
Civ V (I did think this title has always worked on older MBA's)
Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers
Torchlight II
Tropico
The Walking Dead


Of course, alphabetically. Lol :p

Don't know if you own any of these titles. A lot of them were in Humble Bundles and do have a mac version!

Edit: Origin games!

SimCity
NFS Most Wanted
Shift 2 Unleashed

fedecape
Jul 5, 2013, 04:04 PM
Okay. I've looked in my steam library and came with this list. Of course I don't expect you to play every one of them, but yeah... ;)


Bastion
GTA IV
Hotline Miami
Mark of the Ninja
Oil Rush
Psychonauts
Rochard
Civ V (I did think this title has always worked on older MBA's)
Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers
Torchlight II
Tropico
The Walking Dead


Of course, alphabetically. Lol :p

Don't know if you own any of these titles. A lot of them were in Humble Bundles and do have a mac version!

Edit: Origin games!

SimCity
NFS Most Wanted
Shift 2 Unleashed


Can we run GTA IV? OMG!

wermy
Jul 5, 2013, 04:09 PM
Can we run GTA IV? OMG!

I don't think so... GTA4 and Torchlight 2 don't show up under the mac side of Steam, anyway.

MrGrutty
Jul 5, 2013, 04:14 PM
Can we run GTA IV? OMG!

lol these are requests :P

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I don't think so... GTA4 and Torchlight 2 don't show up under the mac side of Steam, anyway.

That's true, but if it runs on the windows side (bootcamp). You can say the computer can run it. And since I'm very likely to bootcamp and play windows games, they are requests!