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larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 02:01 AM
Hi there,

As a student, I would love to have the new '13 Macbook Air, but because of the Chinese Gov., I can't?! Because of Apple's store policy, and the fact that I'm currently residing in China, I am only able to shop the Chinese online store. However, when I would like to select the Macbook Air for purchase, I get a strange message (translated by google) saying that this product has to be approved by the gov. before entering public release. I find this honestly ridiculous. Any thoughts?



scyap
Jun 30, 2013, 02:07 AM
Same for my country too, it's probably Pending Regulatory Approval
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Do you have "Available to ship" date?


http://i.imgur.com/3z0wrvv.png

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 02:22 AM
Glad to know someone out there is experiencing my frustration :p

However, the Chinese online store is a bit different, I can't even press select.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 02:24 AM
No shipping date.

TC25
Jun 30, 2013, 03:44 AM
... get a strange message (translated by google) saying that this product has to be approved by the gov. before entering public release. I find this honestly ridiculous. Any thoughts?
Thoughts? What do you expect, you're living in a Communist country where the govt controls everything.

808?
Jun 30, 2013, 04:08 AM
Pop down to Hong Kong, no restrictions here at all. :D

http://i.imgur.com/niaZoiL.jpg

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 04:53 AM
Laughed pretty hard at that communist comment! :D Luckily, moving back to the US for high school. Also, I am considering buying one in HK, already have them in my cart.

Lunfai
Jun 30, 2013, 04:55 AM
Buy one in HK, they're dirt cheap...

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 05:10 AM
Y'know, I just might. I'm getting pretty sick of China's ****. Dad's going on a business trip Thursday, think it would be wise to place an order now? From what I've seen, most of these orders ship from HK, so it would be fast right? However, he's only there for Thurs-Fri, so it's risky...

808?
Jun 30, 2013, 05:21 AM
Y'know, I just might. I'm getting pretty sick of China's ****. Dad's going on a business trip Thursday, think it would be wise to place an order now? From what I've seen, most of these orders ship from HK, so it would be fast right? However, he's only there for Thurs-Fri, so it's risky...

Just get your dad to walk into any one of the 3 Apple retail stores in Hong Kong, most have plenty of stock on hand.

Your dad can use the Apple Store app to order online and collect at the retail store.

Easy stuff.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 05:43 AM
I'll ask him to try, but his time is pretty limited. Usually his schedule is:

Arrive -> meeting -> meeting -> dinner -> hotel -> conference call -> next morning first flight to Beijing

808?
Jun 30, 2013, 05:51 AM
IFC store is 9am - 9pm (http://www.apple.com/hk/en/retail/ifcmall/)

Causeway Bay store is 10am - 10pm (http://www.apple.com/hk/en/retail/causewaybay/)

Between those 2 he should be able to find 15 mins to pop in and out.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 06:02 AM
@808?

Thanks for all your help! Would I have to create another Apple ID to make the purchase?

808?
Jun 30, 2013, 06:05 AM
@808?

Thanks for all your help! Would I have to create another Apple ID to make the purchase?

If your dad is just going to walk in and buy from retail, then no Apple ID required, if you plan to buy online, then you should be able to change online stores with the same Apple ID I believe.

Personally I would just get your dad to walk in and buy on the spot, I won't risk ordering it online in case he doesn't have time to collect it.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 06:25 AM
Wow...none of the stores are eligible for pickup apparently. ;( This is for both the regular base model and for the customized i5/8gb/256.

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Also in case this isn't clear, I would really like the extra RAM, so unless the Apple retail stores sell 8gb, I'm going with online.

808?
Jun 30, 2013, 06:30 AM
Most of the retail stores stock all of the various MBA models, so its not an issue to get a 8GB ram version if you like.

Again, just get your dad to walk in a buy in person, give him the model number you want.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 07:20 AM
Thanks for the advice!

Brandon263
Jun 30, 2013, 04:29 PM
Hi there,

As a student, I would love to have the new '13 Macbook Air, but because of the Chinese Gov., I can't?! Because of Apple's store policy, and the fact that I'm currently residing in China, I am only able to shop the Chinese online store. However, when I would like to select the Macbook Air for purchase, I get a strange message (translated by google) saying that this product has to be approved by the gov. before entering public release. I find this honestly ridiculous. Any thoughts?

Below the specs, where there is supposed to be the select button, it reads “Will be introduced soon” and the red below the prices reads “(We) have to wait for approval from the relevant government organs before we can supply this product. We cannot sell (the product) before receiving this approval.”

Basically, you have to wait a month or so before you can get newly released Apple products in China.

However, it’s cheaper to buy it in HK even if you get the student discount because of taxes, etc.

In China, the base 2013 13 inch Air with the student discount will be 7,588 yuan when it is introduced = $1,235

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In HK, the base 2013 13 inch Air *without* the student discount is HK$ 8,488 = $1,094

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With the student discount, the base 2013 13 inch Air is HK8,088 in Hong Kong = $1,042, but you probably won’t be able to get it unless you have a Hong Kong student ID.

aristobrat
Jun 30, 2013, 04:35 PM
Same for my country too, it's probably Pending Regulatory Approval?
Wonder if it's because of the new 802.11ac WiFi?

AFAIK, the FCC in the US has to test/approve any product with WiFi/cellular/etc before the manufacturer can sell it.

Here's all the FCC stuff (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=246439&fcc_id=%27BCGA1469%27) they had to go through just to get the latest AppleTV on the market.

Wouldn't be surprised if other countries had similar policies, and with 802.11ac being new, testing isn't going as quickly.

Brandon263
Jun 30, 2013, 05:19 PM
Wonder if it's because of the new 802.11ac WiFi?

AFAIK, the FCC in the US has to test/approve any product with WiFi/cellular/etc before the manufacturer can sell it.

Here's all the FCC stuff (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=246439&fcc_id=%27BCGA1469%27) they had to go through just to get the latest AppleTV on the market.

Wouldn't be surprised if other countries had similar policies, and with 802.11ac being new, testing isn't going as quickly.

Perhaps, but new Apple products always take a month or two before they are introduced in the PRC. For example, the rMBP was available immediately in Hong Kong when it was introduced, but it was more than two months before it became available in Mainland China even though it was shipping from there to other parts of the world.

larry918
Jun 30, 2013, 08:11 PM
True, I remember the iPhone 4 was delayed as well.

Mrbobb
Jun 30, 2013, 09:16 PM
Yeah men, no need to bash China. Every which place have their own bureaucracy. Hong Kong though is shopping haven and laze faire government with minimum bureaucracy.

They just don't want u mainlanders buying all their, melamine-free, powder milk, but electronics all u can carry :D

James717
Jul 1, 2013, 07:17 AM
Thoughts? What do you expect, you're living in a Communist country where the govt controls everything.

Wrong.

In Apple's case, they really are awaiting pending Government approval.

This is NOT only in China, but in other Asian countries as well (which are far from Communist). Pretty much, this is standard when new products are introduced. This is historically true for ALL Apple products. They get released 4-9 weeks after release in USA/other parts of the world. Is it a big deal? Depends. If you are an Apple fanatic (like me), then the wait will be excruciating. But for many other things, it's really not a big deal.

Living in China is great. There are so many benefits that it's far than BETTER than in the US. I'm in the field of International Business and Trade, so with RESPECT and understanding of the Chinese culture and business practices, I am able to fully to not only reap the financial benefits but also enrich my love for the Chinese way of life. But mostly it's because they are able to make me and many Western companies freight-loads of money.

Ok, back to the Original poster's questions:
(1) Yes, it's STILL NOT available in China. Also in many other Asian countries. Take a look around like Japan, Malaysia, Singapore. Hong Kong was released the day the USA got it. Great for HK. Try living in HK and tell me how easy or extremely difficult it is. I love HK but the no-tax benefit is just that, a benefit.

(2) Your dad goes to HK for business. Ask around. Taking electronics in full packaging OUT of no-tax countries can result in a fine or getting taxed (and delayed, searched, questioned). Try bringing a HP Printer (in box) out of HK into ShenZhen. Yeah, you'll get stopped. If your dad is doing business in HK, you may wanna do your research before getting him in trouble over a few HK dollars. Just fly to HK, go to one of the HK Airport Apple resellers shops and buy it. It will be more expensive, but it's a peace of mind and no one gets "flagged".

Good luck.

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Yeah men, no need to bash China. Every which place have their own bureaucracy. Hong Kong though is shopping haven and laze faire government with minimum bureaucracy.

They just don't want u mainlanders buying all their, melamine-free, powder milk, but electronics all u can carry :D


Not true. You can't carry as many Electronics out of HK to China as you can. You'll get taxed.

Out of box, sure. There are "runners" for that. Then, they repackage the product back into a fresh box and "seal" it and sell it as new in Shen Zhen. Go to the 3rd floor of the ShenZhen electronics mall and you'll find them.

Buying iPhones in China is risky. They'll claim it to be "new" but actually, it's second hand or refurbished. And if you "know" what's up, open up the iPhone and you may find that they replaced cheap China-made batteries or other components for the factory Apple components.

HK is indeed a shopping heaven. But try bringing some of the excess BACK to your home country. That's where customs comes in and depending on how you "CLAIM" your gifts/items, it is up to the laws of your destination that will decide if you can bring so many in. It's like buying 20 cartons of cigarettes. You can. But if you bring those 20 cartons into China, USA, or another destination where you leave customs, then you may get flagged and have those extra 18 cartons confiscated or taxed or fined or whatever.

TC25
Jul 1, 2013, 07:27 AM
Wrong. In Apple's case, they really are awaiting pending Government approval.

This is NOT only in China, but in other Asian countries as well (which are far from Communist).

No, you are wrong. Communist, socialist, fill in the blank of any left wing, 'the government must approve everything' form of govt.

It's hilarious that you tell me I am wrong and in the next sentence admit Apple is 'awaiting pending [redundant?] Government approval'.

James717
Jul 1, 2013, 07:33 AM
No, you are wrong. Communist, socialist, fill in the blank of any left wing, 'the government must approve everything' form of govt.

It's hilarious that you tell me I am wrong and in the next sentence admit Apple is 'awaiting pending [redundant?] Government approval'.

I just Skyped my colleague in South Korea. Pending gov't approval for the Mac Air 2013.


No, you're not wrong. I just don't agree with your comment that it's a communist thing that China is awaiting release of the Air. It can also be argued that in Democracy, certain elitists or parties control everything. It's really a wash either form of gov't.

TC25
Jul 1, 2013, 04:37 PM
It's really a wash either form of gov't.
No, it's not. Ask the people in North Korea.

tonyunreal
Jul 2, 2013, 04:27 AM
It usually takes about a month or so before newly released Mac is available in China, it's not really that bad as some people state it to be......

Just relax OP and wait for it to available, or as the other guys already point out, you could just buy one in HK for a very cheap price(20% lower than in China I think).

larry918
Jul 3, 2013, 12:44 AM
A month? I can't wait that long :D Still asking my dad to check tomorrow at HK.

larry918
Jul 3, 2013, 04:39 AM
Most of the retail stores stock all of the various MBA models, so its not an issue to get a 8GB ram version if you like.

Again, just get your dad to walk in a buy in person, give him the model number you want.

He is going to check tomorrow, and just to be sure, the retail stores stock i5/8gb/256?

808?
Jul 3, 2013, 04:47 AM
He is going to check tomorrow, and just to be sure, the retail stores stock i5/8gb/256?

Yes, I am quite sure at least 1 of the 3 stores would have stock, you can always call in advance.

Another option is Studio A (http://www.studioa.com.hk/location.php), which is a big Apple Premium Reseller in Hong Kong.

I have in the past been able to get stock at Studio A easier than anywhere else, they also match Apple's price and in some cases may even offer a discount over the Apple store retail price.

larry918
Jul 3, 2013, 05:03 AM
I think I'm going to have my dad check the one in the IFC mall, it would be the closest to where he works.

808?
Jul 4, 2013, 03:56 AM
I think I'm going to have my dad check the one in the IFC mall, it would be the closest to where he works.

IFC Mall store didn't have any stock (I checked about 2 hours ago), but Studio A store in Causeway Bay has stock of what you needed.

I suggest your dad call ahead first to make sure the store he is visiting has stock.

larry918
Jul 4, 2013, 04:25 AM
I don't go to HK much, is Causeway Bay near IFC mall? Also, do the airport resellers have any in stock?

EDIT: Checked Google Maps, the two are 9 min apart. Great! Also, just found out that my dad is going for an additional three days :) More than enough time.

Mrbobb
Jul 4, 2013, 09:13 AM
Just have him take it out of the box and remove the wrapping so it looks used else China's customs may want a piece of the action.

larry918
Jul 4, 2013, 09:37 AM
Haha, alright.

808?
Jul 6, 2013, 07:21 PM
Did you dad find what you needed?

larry918
Jul 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
Not at all happy right now. My dad is visiting Studio A today (He was in Shenzhen yesterday), but by the time he comes back - tomorrow - I'll already be at camp. :mad::(:eek:

larry918
Jul 7, 2013, 05:43 AM
Writing from camp here - Dad just confirmed that he bought the 13.3 in i5/8gb model. So happy, but I'll have to wait till the 14th to actually see it :(

808?
Jul 7, 2013, 06:27 AM
Cool, now let us hope he gets it back to you without any extra taxes. :D

larry918
Jul 9, 2013, 09:39 PM
Success! :) Two more days till I get to see the beauty...

larry918
Jul 13, 2013, 05:58 AM
I am typing from my 13.3 inch 8gb/256 MBA right now. Coming from a 2010 MBP, these speeds are truly amazing. Out of the box, I had 88% - it's showing an unbelievable 8:49. Despite one of the four corners being a teeny bit wobbly, I am very satisfied. I am now checking the SSD and Screen manufacturer!

Martylaa
Jul 13, 2013, 06:01 AM
Hi Larry did your dad just go into the store and buy a us or uk specced model with the 8gb option?
Reason I ask is I am king to work in China flying in and out of Hong Kong and if they are UK spec models with the 8 GB in the store I would get it from there as it would be cheaper for me?

808?
Jul 13, 2013, 06:17 AM
What is a US or UK spec have different than a Hong Kong spec MBA?

Select your MacBook Air (http://store.apple.com/hk/mac/family/macbook-air) - check the Hong Kong Apple Store.

Martylaa
Jul 13, 2013, 06:21 AM
What is a US or UK spec have different than a Hong Kong spec MBA?

Select your MacBook Air (http://store.apple.com/hk/mac/family/macbook-air) - check the Hong Kong Apple Store.

It doesn't I have just realised there is a Hong Kong British or Hong Kong Chinese store in Hong Kong....