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Bilalo
Jul 3, 2013, 12:32 PM
Hello
I wanted to ask, is a new apple tv coming out soon since u havent seen any rumors. Is it expected to come out or not?



SandboxGeneral
Jul 3, 2013, 12:34 PM
Hello
I wanted to ask, is a new apple tv coming out soon since u havent seen any rumors. Is it expected to come out or not?

At this point, no one really knows. You check out our Buyers Guide for the ATV (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Apple_TV) for a little bit of history.

sonicrobby
Jul 3, 2013, 12:36 PM
I think the next Apple TV they release will be the long rumored iTV, and I dont think that will be until the end of next year. But to specifically answer your question, I, personally, have not heard anything about an Apple TV refresh. Then again, I dont think anyone really knew about the TC and Airport Express freshes at WWDC. So I honestly have no idea one way or the other

mic j
Jul 3, 2013, 01:38 PM
IMO, there is no need for an aTV hardware refresh. It looks like Apple is slowly (read that as at glacially) laying a foundation for the future with apps like HBOGo, ESPN and the rumored Time Warner Cable app and possible some rudimentary games. I think the current aTV hardware capability is more than enough to handle these types of app additions for a long time to come. If anything were to be added it would be ac wifi capability and it's debatable if that is even needed.

waw74
Jul 3, 2013, 02:22 PM
It just refreshed a few months ago. even though the specs are exactly the same, they had to completely retool their whole production line.
not something you would do if you're planning on releasing a new model in 6 months.
and since it's the same specs, the new model won't generate extra sales like a new model of computer that comes out every 6 months would.

If anything were to be added it would be ac wifi capability and it's debatable if that is even needed.

802.11N wifi is far faster than most home internet connections.
and also well above the 1-2MB/s that apple's 1080 media needs.

cxc273
Jul 3, 2013, 03:39 PM
I really doubt it. There haven't been any rumors or rumblings that tend to precede a new product.

Most changes, I think, will be software -- either updates to the user interface or the addition of new content.

I think the only hardware change might be the introduction of AC connectivity as Apple rolls all of its hardware over to the new standard. However, they don't seem to be in a hurry, as the only AC-capable devices are the new Airs and Airports and the upcoming Pro. Apple didn't bother refreshing the Airport Express. Maybe it will just be a quite update sometime later this year.

Not to get off on too much of a tangent, but I'm not really sure where the Apple TV goes from here, from a hardware perspective. Apple won't return to on-board storage like the first-gen devices. An Apple-branded television is possible, but not a definite. And Apple seems to show little interest in turning the box into a gaming device.

Personally, I'm really happy with it, but as a cord-cutter, I wish more content would appear at a faster rate. Getting HBO Go and Watch ESPN were huge.

mic j
Jul 3, 2013, 03:45 PM
Personally, I'm really happy with it, but as a cord-cutter, I wish more content would appear at a faster rate. Getting HBO Go and Watch ESPN were huge.

But you can't be a cord-cutter and use those (technically).

pixpixpix
Jul 3, 2013, 03:48 PM
Yes they need more apps, many more apps to make more content easily available.

I prefer AppleTV to the builtin Samsung apps or DirectTV on-demand because the interface and buffering are so much better

applemike68
Jul 7, 2013, 07:14 AM
But what about the new wifi AC...Wouldn't apple at least update to the new AC standard since they did it with the routers.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 07:15 AM
But what about the new wifi AC...Wouldn't apple at least update to the new AC standard since they did it with the routers.

It's possible that they might. However if they're working on the rumored iTV, they may or may not release a new set top box too.

Julien
Jul 7, 2013, 08:57 AM
It's possible that they might. However if they're working on the rumored iTV, they may or may not release a new set top box too.

That's one CAN"T be wrong answer.:D

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 09:00 AM
That's one CAN"T be wrong answer.:D

It's hard to commit to an answer about the ATV and it's future when no one but Apple knows. :cool:

poe diddley
Jul 7, 2013, 11:30 PM
Currently Walmart is out of stock online and all stores in my state (nc). It's probably wishful thinking but im hoping it means a refresh soon.

MandiMac
Jul 8, 2013, 12:20 AM
But as someone replied above, Apple could be on to something here, building steadily one app after another into the ATV ecosystem.

More thoughts here: http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/20/4449976/forget-the-pure-itv-why-gaming-could-be-apples-next-big-thing

SandboxGeneral
Jul 8, 2013, 05:17 AM
Currently Walmart is out of stock online and all stores in my state (nc). It's probably wishful thinking but im hoping it means a refresh soon.

That probably just means they're out of stock for the moment. There has been no indication of stores being out of stock across the country to indicate a change coming.

APlotdevice
Jul 8, 2013, 05:46 AM
I think the only hardware change might be the introduction of AC connectivity as Apple rolls all of its hardware over to the new standard. However, they don't seem to be in a hurry, as the only AC-capable devices are the new Airs and Airports and the upcoming Pro. Apple didn't bother refreshing the Airport Express. Maybe it will just be a quite update sometime later this year..

Updating the Express to AC might be easier said than done. The Extreme and Time Capsule needed a taller design to accommodate the new antenna.

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It's possible that they might. However if they're working on the rumored iTV, they may or may not release a new set top box too.

I can absolutely guarantee they are not working on anything called an iTV. ;)*


* iTV was originally what the AppleTV was going to be called. Apple was forced to change the name after the UK network "ITV" threatened to sue.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 8, 2013, 05:49 AM
I can absolutely guarantee they are not working on anything called an iTV. ;)*


* iTV was originally what the AppleTV was going to be called. Apple was forced to change it after the UK network "ITV" threatened to sue.

Yeah, I know. But its easer to use iTV to distinguish what we're talking about from the set top box, ATV, in discussions.

The iTV in the UK however, doesn't necessarily mean Apple won't use iTV in the US and elsewhere and give it another name in the UK. They do that now with either the iPhone or iPad in other countries, I think*.

*I'm pulling that from memory without searching it first and I could be very wrong.

Edit: I searched and it was Brazil with the 'iphone' (not iPhone) and I think China too.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2013/02/14/apple-officially-loses-iphone-trademark-in-brazil/

davidg4781
Jul 12, 2013, 11:05 AM
I've been waiting to get an AppleTV when the next version came out but I think I'm just going to get the current one.

All I have is Netflix and watching it through a 4 year old Blu-ray player is not the best option. I figure I can get the current one and if a new one does come out just sell it on eBay and end up losing maybe $20.

Dannel
Jul 18, 2013, 01:45 AM
If so, there must be some software needs to be updated.

DustyLBottoms
Jul 18, 2013, 02:59 PM
It just refreshed a few months ago. even though the specs are exactly the same, they had to completely retool their whole production line.
not something you would do if you're planning on releasing a new model in 6 months.


*cough* iPad 4 *cough*

paulrbeers
Jul 18, 2013, 05:02 PM
*cough* iPad 4 *cough*

That was more about bringing their Flagship iPad inline with their iPhone 5. Traditionally the iPad got the processor upgrade before the iPhone, but in this case the iPad 3 only got an A5X. Further, the iPad 3's graphics are a bit under powered (I know, I have one). Again, this brought the iPad inline with the same graphics chips as the iPhone 5. Further, the Lightning adapter is the new flagship connector which the iPad 3 did not have. Now the only devices Apple sells with a 30 pin connector are their "older" devices (iPad 2, iphone 4/4S). All of their flagship devices use their new and "improved" connector.

Also, it made no sense for Apple to keep releasing the iPad RIGHT after the Xmas holiday. Positioning itself before Xmas is the smart place for it to be.

Notice that Apple DID NOT release the iPad 5, six months after the iPad 4 did they?

Anyone with a reasonable understanding of business understands Apple's logic on that switch.

palmharbor
Jul 18, 2013, 05:41 PM
If you just watched one movie through any online..apple tv, samsung, sony
per week, it would be $140 per month as most of the sites want $5 per movie.
That is what I pay for fiberoptic cable...high speed internet + unlimited land line phone + over 300 stations that includes Showtime. I am not including Netflicks but the other sites all want money...the normal charge is $4.95.
Of all technologies this is the biggest ripoff so far.

mic j
Jul 19, 2013, 09:01 AM
If you just watched one movie through any online..apple tv, samsung, sony
per week, it would be $140 per month as most of the sites want $5 per movie.
That is what I pay for fiberoptic cable...high speed internet + unlimited land line phone + over 300 stations that includes Showtime. I am not including Netflicks but the other sites all want money...the normal charge is $4.95.
Of all technologies this is the biggest ripoff so far.

Not sure I understand your math. Wouldn't just watching 1 movie/wk @ $5/movie be $20/mo? :confused:

Ghostbusters
Jul 19, 2013, 09:58 AM
If you just watched one movie through any online..apple tv, samsung, sony
per week, it would be $140 per month as most of the sites want $5 per movie.
That is what I pay for fiberoptic cable...high speed internet + unlimited land line phone + over 300 stations that includes Showtime. I am not including Netflicks but the other sites all want money...the normal charge is $4.95.
Of all technologies this is the biggest ripoff so far.

I get your point, however you are not taking in consideration people's lifestyle. For many these days, they work long hours and perhaps have as little as one or two hours a day to consume television content. Myself, I find most of the content on Netflix to meet my needs, but I do follow 2 TV shows regularly. If there is 1 new episode per week, that makes 8 episodes a month, which equals roughly $8-10 when purchased/rented using the a la carte method found on iTunes, Roku, Amazon, etc. So at the end of month, I pay Netflix $8 + $10 max for TV. That comes to $18. Not sure where you got your prices from. Yes, of course it will be more if I must watch EVERY new movie that comes out, but you'll be doing that too since HBO, the Movie Network and other stations don't show the absolutely latest releases unless it's using a Pay-per-View/A La Carte model.

Most importantly, I pay for what I WANT to watch. Having 300 channels is useless to me as I don't wanna watch reality tv marathons or re-runs of sitcoms of the past decade. Rather than channel surfing and having the stations tell me what I want to watch, I decide and use any other free time to browse the web (News, Youtube, Podcasts, Macrumors, etc). How many times have you tuned into Two And A Half Men to find the same episode playing. There is something called surplus utility in economics and cable providers use this concept to fool consumers into thinking they need 300 channels when they really don't.

Irishman
Jul 19, 2013, 10:13 AM
I think the next Apple TV they release will be the long rumored iTV, and I dont think that will be until the end of next year. But to specifically answer your question, I, personally, have not heard anything about an Apple TV refresh. Then again, I dont think anyone really knew about the TC and Airport Express freshes at WWDC. So I honestly have no idea one way or the other

I have no confidence in an iTV device. First off, it doesn't need to exist. Noone's made the case yet that it would give you a better experience than the current ATV3 connected to your own HDTV. All the content deals that would make or break an iTV could also come to market for the existing ATV3 (just like they did with HBO Go and ESPN).

Secondly, if Apple releases some uber-TV that's 4K/3D/240 Hz, in a 46" OLED screen that retails for $9,000, what good does that do for those of us who would want to use such a TV as the centerpiece of our home theater setup?It's too small for such a use. Additionally, what 4K content would you watch on it? Sony's new 4K server that retails $699 is only compatible with Sony 4K TVs, noone else's, so that's out. for Conversely, if Apple builds a 65" version with the same specs, they'd be charging over $15,000 for it.

Who'd buy that in today's economy?

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But you can't be a cord-cutter and use those (technically).

Yeah, those two help noone cut the cord.

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Currently Walmart is out of stock online and all stores in my state (nc). It's probably wishful thinking but im hoping it means a refresh soon.

Keep an eye on Best Buy too. The last major ATV refresh was preceded by a send back of the ATV2 shortly before (read weeks) the ATV3 came out.

sonicrobby
Jul 19, 2013, 01:04 PM
I have no confidence in an iTV device. First off, it doesn't need to exist. Noone's made the case yet that it would give you a better experience than the current ATV3 connected to your own HDTV. All the content deals that would make or break an iTV could also come to market for the existing ATV3 (just like they did with HBO Go and ESPN).

Secondly, if Apple releases some uber-TV that's 4K/3D/240 Hz, in a 46" OLED screen that retails for $9,000, what good does that do for those of us who would want to use such a TV as the centerpiece of our home theater setup?It's too small for such a use. Additionally, what 4K content would you watch on it? Sony's new 4K server that retails $699 is only compatible with Sony 4K TVs, noone else's, so that's out. for Conversely, if Apple builds a 65" version with the same specs, they'd be charging over $15,000 for it.

Who'd buy that in today's economy?

Your lack of confidence wont really stop apple from moving forward with their plans (if its true) :p

No has made the case because it hasnt come out yet, we dont know what it will bring. Apparently commercial skipping is a rumor thats going around, something I personally would pay for. Especially now that commercials are what, about 30% of the show's time? Just the fact that it means no additional box to connect is a huge + for me; I personally prefer a single device with more features than several devices with the same features. I would kill for an iPhablet!

All we can do is speculate, but I do like how you speculate to the high end right away. I have hope still :P I dont see Apple anywhere near the 3D market. They have not expressed any interest in it, and I for one am grateful for that. Also, the surprising thing is that Apple is working with existing broadcasters as opposed to replacing them, so odds are they wont do anything over the top that wont be supported by the providers, so Im not so sure on the 4k screen. Size is a preference, I have a 46" TV in my living room, and more than content with it. Rumors claim 55" and 65" screen sizes. Analysts, based on rumors, price the iTV no more than $4000 (from what I recall).

But again, all these are rumors and speculations. Im convinced they are creating an iTV, especially with Tim Cook expressing "interest" in that market. Im just hoping for native live streaming from the iTV to any Apple device, that would be very convenient for me. I could ditch my slingbox and ATV. Im tired of all those cables and wires! :D

Irishman
Jul 19, 2013, 01:29 PM
Your lack of confidence wont really stop apple from moving forward with their plans (if its true) :p

No has made the case because it hasnt come out yet, we dont know what it will bring. Apparently commercial skipping is a rumor thats going around, something I personally would pay for. Especially now that commercials are what, about 30% of the show's time? Just the fact that it means no additional box to connect is a huge + for me; I personally prefer a single device with more features than several devices with the same features. I would kill for an iPhablet!

All we can do is speculate, but I do like how you speculate to the high end right away. I have hope still :P I dont see Apple anywhere near the 3D market. They have not expressed any interest in it, and I for one am grateful for that. Also, the surprising thing is that Apple is working with existing broadcasters as opposed to replacing them, so odds are they wont do anything over the top that wont be supported by the providers, so Im not so sure on the 4k screen. Size is a preference, I have a 46" TV in my living room, and more than content with it. Rumors claim 55" and 65" screen sizes. Analysts, based on rumors, price the iTV no more than $4000 (from what I recall).

But again, all these are rumors and speculations. Im convinced they are creating an iTV, especially with Tim Cook expressing "interest" in that market. Im just hoping for native live streaming from the iTV to any Apple device, that would be very convenient for me. I could ditch my slingbox and ATV. Im tired of all those cables and wires! :D

How is what you've described any superior to any number of $500-$2000 smart TVs on the market right now? Integration with iTunes won't be enough. It's not superior to the current ATV experience.

sonicrobby
Jul 19, 2013, 01:44 PM
How is what you've described any superior to any number of $500-$2000 smart TVs on the market right now? Integration with iTunes won't be enough. It's not superior to the current ATV experience.

Exactly, we dont know anything. All we can do is speculate. What will be different would be the ability to skip commercials on live TV, and I read somewhere else that they plan on having some sort of "mini screen" system so only 1 wired connection is needed to the main TV, and smaller screens would wirelessly receive live streams with no wires needed.

How was the iPhone different from any other phone in 2005? No one knew 2 years before its release. It was more intense because no one even knew it was coming. But since then, Apple has been in the spotlight. With the release of iPads, retina screens, and other innovations, more people are now watching, listening, and hanging on every word or possible hint from Apple and their distributors. We now know theyve been in talks with TV companies and expressing an interest in the market, and steve jobs apparently cracked the code on how to revolutionize the tv watching experience. At this point people speculate, and I praise Apple for keeping a tight lid on their progress. I like the suspense.

But to answer your question, I dont know yet. I cant compare my own shadow to another person's shadow while they stand in a dark room. Im guessing the shadow is the size of an average person, youre guessing its the size of the room; but we will never know what it is until the light is turned on. right?

Irishman
Jul 20, 2013, 07:47 AM
Exactly, we dont know anything. All we can do is speculate. What will be different would be the ability to skip commercials on live TV, and I read somewhere else that they plan on having some sort of "mini screen" system so only 1 wired connection is needed to the main TV, and smaller screens would wirelessly receive live streams with no wires needed.

How was the iPhone different from any other phone in 2005? No one knew 2 years before its release. It was more intense because no one even knew it was coming. But since then, Apple has been in the spotlight. With the release of iPads, retina screens, and other innovations, more people are now watching, listening, and hanging on every word or possible hint from Apple and their distributors. We now know theyve been in talks with TV companies and expressing an interest in the market, and steve jobs apparently cracked the code on how to revolutionize the tv watching experience. At this point people speculate, and I praise Apple for keeping a tight lid on their progress. I like the suspense.

But to answer your question, I dont know yet. I cant compare my own shadow to another person's shadow while they stand in a dark room. Im guessing the shadow is the size of an average person, youre guessing its the size of the room; but we will never know what it is until the light is turned on. right?

I just can't help but think you're setting yourself up for some disappointment.

sonicrobby
Jul 20, 2013, 09:35 AM
I just can't help but think you're setting yourself up for some disappointment.

If they end up not releasing anything, I will live on... In the end its just a TV :rolleyes:

crzdcolombian
Jul 24, 2013, 03:54 PM
It's a streaming device I really don't think they can do much other than give it powerful graphics chip so it can play ipad games directly on your tv w/o an iPad. I'd be happy with a price drop and more channels. I know that apple doesn't like to add competition but Vudu, Amazon, the best buy streaming is all on PS3 that has it's own streaming service.

What I really want on Apple TV is ESPN streaming or for it to be cheaper 60 bucks tops. Right now everyone with a smart TV or a video game system really has 0 reason to buy an apple tv especially for 100 bucks. It has too many competitors that do the same function for much cheaper or serve better functions. For me personally iTunes is too expensive. I hate ultraviolet but come on Apple why is Batman The Dark Knight Rises 20 bucks !!!!! I didn't even pay that when it came out at Best buy and got a DVD, Blu Ray and digital Ultraviolet copy. Spiderman is 18 bucks digital on Itunes and you get the 3d blu ray, blu ray, ultra violet and DVD !!!

hipnetic
Jul 26, 2013, 09:11 AM
Like Irishman, I see nothing special about an iTV, and would be surprised and disappointed if they came out with a high-end iTV that had functionality that wasn't also offered via the ATV3 (or some next-gen ATV standalone box). I could see Apple releasing an iTV in a few sizes simply because it would be low-hanging fruit for them. They take a flat-screen TV, add in the ATV3 guts, and there you go. But new functionality specific to an iTV like live TV commercial skipping? Why? When we're talking about live TV commercial skipping, what we're really talking about here is the ability for you to stream, from the iTunes store, the latest TV shows day & date with when they're broadcast on TV, but with no commercials. There's no reason why they couldn't offer that functionality today with the ATV2/3. The main thing holding that back is not hardware limitations within the ATV3, but rather getting deals signed with the major TV networks.

The main hardware limitations I can think of with the ATV3 are lack of WiFi direct (which would greatly reduce lag times when mirroring) and lack of 24Hz support (which I assume to be a hardware limitation, but could possibly be fixable via firmware for all I know). If I was a hardcore gamer, I would add the latest GPU to that list. But most of what I'd like to see improved on my ATV3 are all software related and could work just fine on the current ATV3 hardware platform.