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Booji
Jul 5, 2013, 09:03 PM
I've been making it a habit to work in cafes a few hours of the day to escape the monotony of the office and put myself in a environment that helps bring out the creative vibes.

One thing that I noticed is that Apple products seem to dominate the cafe crowd - seems as if 90% of the laptops are Apple with many being Macbook Air. For tablet users, its hard to see anything but an iPad.

So whats it with the cafe demographic and Apple products? It does not seem to be just young people.



SandboxGeneral
Jul 5, 2013, 09:05 PM
I don't know, but all I can speculate is that the partnership of Apple, AT&T and Starbucks may have gotten the ball started for doing this type of thing. Couple that with popular movies and TV shows displaying similar behavior. Then you have the whole thing of people watching others do it and they in turn follow suit.

thejadedmonkey
Jul 5, 2013, 09:11 PM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)

tdhurst
Jul 5, 2013, 09:16 PM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)

Hipster!

thundersteele
Jul 5, 2013, 09:18 PM
There are many Macs in Cafes, but it's nowhere near 90%. Some days you only see Macs, other days there are a bunch of ThinkPads and Dells, or just some random stuff. Once I saw a guy with a 19'' or 20'' portable workstation - just the power brick was as big as my MBP.

Tablets the majority are iPads, but I don't see many people work on them. What I really like is that I still see many people with their older MacBook (Pro) models. The white MB can still be seen very often, and I'm happy every time I see a black MB or a non unibody MBP.

NewbieCanada
Jul 5, 2013, 09:18 PM
It depends where you go. I went to a Panera a few months ago and observed:


The wireless was G
The sandwiches were fresh
The coffee wasn't
The laptops were Windows


I thought I was in Bizarro Starbucks

falconeight
Jul 5, 2013, 09:55 PM
Who knows why. Maybe the all the other computers ran out of juice and were packed away.

mj1108
Jul 5, 2013, 10:04 PM
Any time I've gone to Starbucks in the past it seems to vary. Sometimes it'll be dominated by Windows machines, other times Mac's....

yinz
Jul 5, 2013, 10:41 PM
Maybe because Macbooks generally have better battery life than other notebooks (prior to ultrabooks and tablets), so it's just easier for Macbook owners to take their machines out and about. I've had a netbook since 2008 and that's the only notebook you can reasonably take outside without the accompanying power adapter, something you can say is true about all Macbooks since the unibody.

DarkoDonnie
Jul 5, 2013, 10:53 PM
I've never seen macbooks at a Tim Hortons (huge cheap coffee chain in canada), but it's all i see at starbucks..

I know once i get my rMBP I'll be headed to starbucks to sit there and work when I'm sick of my desk. seems like a better crowed to work around. pricey drinks brings in a crowd of people you dont think are going to pour coffee in your face and steal your laptop. i onno.

maybe it has somthing to do with this *steve jobs look alike* drinking at Starbucks ;p

421651

NewbieCanada
Jul 5, 2013, 11:11 PM
I've never seen macbooks at a Tim Hortons (huge cheap coffee chain in canada), but it's all i see at starbucks..
421651

Tim Hortons (which operates hundreds of stores in the United States) only put in WiFi last year, years after Starbucks, McDonald's, Timothy's and Second Cup. And they're very much a downmarket chain with most of their sales "to go" and none of the comfortable living room type furniture found in the more upscale chains. Not surprising you don't see MacBooks there - I wouldn't drink their coffee on a bet.

Mrbobb
Jul 6, 2013, 12:24 AM
Serious IBM users are at their offices and visiting clients, not sitting in cafes. :p

falconeight
Jul 6, 2013, 12:33 AM
I know when I was in college all I saw was macs.

seveej
Jul 6, 2013, 04:26 AM
One thing that I noticed is that Apple products seem to dominate the cafe crowd - seems as if 90% of the laptops are Apple with many being Macbook Air.


I've seen the same. It also applies to schools.

Serious IBM users are at their offices and visiting clients, not sitting in cafes. :p

People who have IBM's, HP's or Dell's assigned to them, have also been assigned desks.
Or conversely: Free-roaming people buy the hardware they like :)

RGDS,

Memole
Jul 6, 2013, 05:17 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

Psychj0e
Jul 6, 2013, 05:51 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

Scientific research says you are wrong there pal. Never mind, eh.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 6, 2013, 06:19 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

That is certainly your opinion, however, I am ready to believe that there are, in fact, folks who are able to get serious work done while in the café. Moreover, not everyone is a show off simply because they brought a device in to do some work. You may feel that way, but it may not always be the person's intent to be that way.

ftaok
Jul 6, 2013, 08:05 AM
Serious IBM users are at their offices and visiting clients, not sitting in cafes. :p

IBM hasn't made personal computers for years. So technically, serious IBM users are unproductive since they're using ancient hardware. ;)

B...
Jul 6, 2013, 08:15 AM
Battery life, portability.

kahkityoong
Jul 6, 2013, 08:20 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )


If you can't it may be your concentration or attention span.

Memole
Jul 6, 2013, 08:25 AM
Scientific research says you are wrong there pal. Never mind, eh.
Cafeine and coffee helps but you can drink a coffee in your home or office ;) or somewhere where is more quieter than cafe bar places ;)

That is certainly your opinion, however, I am ready to believe that there are, in fact, folks who are able to get serious work done while in the café. Moreover, not everyone is a show off simply because they brought a device in to do some work. You may feel that way, but it may not always be the person's intent to be that way.
yes i know that not everyone is a showoff, but in my opinion and i personally i cant do much serious and dedicated work in cafe bar due the crowded people and noise, only thing i could do in cafe bar is to enjoy in my coffee and talk with my friends in person :)

marc11
Jul 6, 2013, 08:32 AM
When I am anywhere using my laptop or tablet or phone it is because I have crap to do and need internet while away from home. For example when on a business trip between meetings at different locations I may stop at a Starbucks to do some work. I do not look around to see who is using a device nor what they are using as I don't care. If you are looking around to compare devices being used perhaps your a poser?

SandboxGeneral
Jul 6, 2013, 08:36 AM
yes i know that not everyone is a showoff, but in my opinion and i personally i cant do much serious and dedicated work in cafe bar due the crowded people and noise, only thing i could do in cafe bar is to enjoy in my coffee and talk with my friends in person :)

I only responded like that because you had made an all-encompassing sweeping statement about the crowd of people who do this sort of thing.

I've not brought my laptop into a café before as I feel it's too much and I don't usually spend a lot of time inside. I have brought the iPad in a couple of times since it is much easier to carry around.

Most of the time, it's the drive through for me.:)

DoctorK4
Jul 6, 2013, 08:37 AM
When I am anywhere using my laptop or tablet or phone it is because I have crap to do and need internet while away from home.

Showoff.

Booji
Jul 6, 2013, 08:38 AM
When I am anywhere using my laptop or tablet or phone it is because I have crap to do and need internet while away from home. For example when on a business trip between meetings at different locations I may stop at a Starbucks to do some work. I do not look around to see who is using a device nor what they are using as I don't care. If you are looking around to compare devices being used perhaps your a poser?

Not really, just an observation. I am interested in tech so I do tend to pay attention to device adoption.

BTW, this is perspective from Singapore and Asia......but perhaps not reflective of the rest of the world.

Arran
Jul 6, 2013, 08:46 AM
I once used my corporate-issue Dell in a cafe.

Was I putting on "airs in a cafe"? :). Not really, just IM-ing my kids. 'Cause I missed them and my crummy hotel didn't have wifi.

takeshi74
Jul 6, 2013, 09:02 AM
So whats it with the cafe demographic and Apple products?
If you want broad, sweeping generalizations it's all about disposable income.

That said, the particular coffee shop seems to have some impact as well. Some shops seem to have more Apple oriented clientele while others seem to have people that mostly seem to use Windows laptops. Generalizations like this aren't much use IMO though -- particularly when they're based on such small sample data.

Serious IBM users are at their offices and visiting clients, not sitting in cafes.
Who uses IBM's? Even IBM doesn't make ThinkPads any more.

you cant do any serious work in cafes
"I can't" != "No one can". Don't use "you" where you should be using "I".

Some do "serious work" in cafes. Some do not. Again, broad generalizations are pointless.

CountBrass
Jul 6, 2013, 09:04 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

Jealous, huh.

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

Ah, that explains it.

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

Would that be your imaginary rMBP?

Memole
Jul 6, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jealous, huh.



Ah, that explains it.



Would that be your imaginary rMBP?

no i am not jealous :) i just dont find it practical to bring a laptop in cafe bar and do some serious work in my case developing :) and for me its way much easier if i wanted to browse some news from cafe bar i would do it with my iPad :)

and speaking of rMBP i am going to order it next week ;) and if you think that black macbook pro is not a good machine well thats your opinion and for me it is a good machine and it had a nice run of 6 years :)

and if any of people feel insulted because of my earlier post i am sorry, as i didnt meant to insult anyone :)

MBHockey
Jul 6, 2013, 09:26 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

I've studied for every major medical licensing exam in cafes.

Psychj0e
Jul 6, 2013, 11:32 AM
Cafeine and coffee helps but you can drink a coffee in your home or office ;) or somewhere where is more quieter than cafe bar places ;)


yes i know that not everyone is a showoff, but in my opinion and i personally i cant do much serious and dedicated work in cafe bar due the crowded people and noise, only thing i could do in cafe bar is to enjoy in my coffee and talk with my friends in person :)

I wasn't talking about the coffee or caffeine (what's the difference btw - is there a substance found in coffee other than caffeine which also boosts alertness?).

NewbieCanada
Jul 6, 2013, 11:42 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )


You can't do any serious porn watching in cafés either. People use computers for lots of different things. Some can be done in a café, others can't.

thundersteele
Jul 6, 2013, 11:53 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )


I can get a lot of work done in cafes. Often I prefer the lively atmosphere to a dead and quiet office - in particular in the summer when nobody is around at universities.

At least here in Chicago, I see a lot of people working many hours in cafes. Some have business meetings, others just work on their projects (often web/graphics design, but also other stuff). I see student groups meeting there, or just students learning on their own.

MBHockey
Jul 6, 2013, 03:20 PM
I wasn't talking about the coffee or caffeine (what's the difference btw - is there a substance found in coffee other than caffeine which also boosts alertness?).

That's not the only reason people enjoy coffee. There are much easier ways to ingest caffeine. Several rigorous studies have shown there are many beneficial effects of coffee, in addition to it being very tasty and making you feel more alert :)

racer1441
Jul 6, 2013, 05:02 PM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)

Why don't you just grab a fork or something and jam it into you hand. Also against the crowd and different, but may be less painful.

Psychj0e
Jul 6, 2013, 05:06 PM
That's not the only reason people enjoy coffee. There are much easier ways to ingest caffeine. Several rigorous studies have shown there are many beneficial effects of coffee, in addition to it being very tasty and making you feel more alert :)

The point I was making was reference to studies which have shown the ambient noise of working in a coffee shop is beneficial for creativity. :) Although thats a good point about the other benefits of coffee :)

daviddth
Jul 6, 2013, 05:39 PM
Why don't you just grab a fork or something and jam it into you hand. Also against the crowd and different, but may be less painful.

Less painful than drinking Starbucks? Hmmm, after tasting their coffee's, I'll pick the fork in the hand any day thanks :)

I normally use the iPad here rather than my MBA when out in public, as it's a little more descreet than having people look at Homer eating the apple on the back of the MBA :)

blueroom
Jul 6, 2013, 05:46 PM
I take my MacBook Pro to Starbucks to do work daily. Seems lots of people do.

MBHockey
Jul 7, 2013, 12:25 AM
The point I was making was reference to studies which have shown the ambient noise of working in a coffee shop is beneficial for creativity. :) Although thats a good point about the other benefits of coffee :)

Interesting, which studies are these?

When I go to coffee shops I use my Bose headphones to block out noise/listen to my music. I prefer the more lively environment of a coffee shop to the isolation of my apartment for studying, not the noise.

spacepower7
Jul 7, 2013, 12:55 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

People who call other people show offs, usually have their own internal psychological plan to one up the show offs, like your plan to get a rMBP 15" to show off your self! How silly.

hkim1983
Jul 7, 2013, 01:18 AM
You can't do any serious porn watching in cafés either. People use computers for lots of different things. Some can be done in a café, others can't.

Define "serious" porn watching. Porn watching can be done in a cafe, I've seen it happen, but I'm not sure how you're defining "serious" as that could entail something else entirely.

I have seen people watch porn in the open, in public, with no shame at all. The y could have gotten into legal trouble, but did it anyway...sometimes you just can't wait :rolleyes:

Psychj0e
Jul 7, 2013, 07:58 AM
Interesting, which studies are these?

When I go to coffee shops I use my Bose headphones to block out noise/listen to my music. I prefer the more lively environment of a coffee shop to the isolation of my apartment for studying, not the noise.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/665048 :)

Dr Charter
Jul 7, 2013, 09:31 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )

maybe i should come with my black macbook to feel unique :rolleyes:

or when i buy rMBP 15" to install gentoo and to not have any GUI :P how different is that haha :p

BS. I wrote most of dissertation in cafes. When I was an adjunct, I'd work with students in cafes rather than a crowded, shared office. Students do serious work in cafes all the time, as do business professionals I'm sure. Heck, the library where I went to grad school had a cafe in it. How quiet and isolated does an environment have to be for "serious work" in your eyes? A cubicle? A monastic cell?

osofast240sx
Jul 7, 2013, 09:35 AM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)
Your cafe visits must be very brief, because the surface rt battery life is horrible

thejadedmonkey
Jul 7, 2013, 11:19 AM
Your cafe visits must be very brief, because the surface rt battery life is horrible

Your unit must have a bum battery then. The only time I ever run into issues with battery life was when I don't charge it for a week, and a 2- 4- or even 6- hour cafe trip doesn't phase it.

DisplacedMic
Jul 7, 2013, 11:33 AM
I've been making it a habit to work in cafes a few hours of the day to escape the monotony of the office and put myself in a environment that helps bring out the creative vibes.

One thing that I noticed is that Apple products seem to dominate the cafe crowd - seems as if 90% of the laptops are Apple with many being Macbook Air. For tablet users, its hard to see anything but an iPad.

So whats it with the cafe demographic and Apple products? It does not seem to be just young people.

people with disposable income like to overpay for coffee too?

/yes, i'm kidding.
//about the overpriced Apple implication, not so much about the ridiculous coffee prices in those places:p

SusanK
Jul 7, 2013, 11:44 AM
Less painful than drinking Starbucks? Hmmm, after tasting their coffee's, I'll pick the fork in the hand any day thanks :)


Hi, I am smiling reading your post. May I ask a question, please? I noticed that people IRL who don't care for Starbucks coffee often deliver a rant about all that is wrong with the brew. Some go on forever. I have always been curious as to what causes that need to vilify a cup of coffee?

When I order food or beverage that is not to my taste I simply don't do it again.

Curious as to what causes such passion about Starbucks?

Thanks

Bear
Jul 7, 2013, 11:50 AM
...
Curious as to what causes such passion about Starbucks?
...Humans are like that. They can get passionate about anything. Sometimes it's passionate about how good the thing it is and sometimes it's about how bad the thing is. One of the more interesting negative comments I've heard about Starbucks from more than one person is that it tastes like sawdust. (I don't drink coffee, so don't ask me.)

It's not just Starbucks - think about some people and sports teams. Heck, think about the debate of OS X versus Windows or iOS versus Android.

NewbieCanada
Jul 7, 2013, 11:57 AM
When I order food or beverage that is not to my taste I simply don't do it again.

Curious as to what causes such passion about Starbucks?

Thanks

Starbucks isn't just food - it's a dominant brand. Like Apple. Like Microsoft. Like Walmart. Sometimes people who choose not to use a dominant brand have very strong opinions about it.

Amplelink
Jul 7, 2013, 11:57 AM
Humans are like that. They can get passionate about anything. Sometimes it's passionate about how good the thing it is and sometimes it's about how bad the thing is. One of the more interesting negative comments I've heard about Starbucks from more than one person is that it tastes like sawdust. (I don't drink coffee, so don't ask me.)

It's not just Starbucks - think about some people and sports teams. Heck, think about the debate of OS X versus Windows or iOS versus Android.

I think it's more than that. It's also the fact that Starbucks is ubiquitous these days and hugely popular. There will always be people that, for one reason or another, like to distinguish themselves from the crowd by proclaiming themselves above a certain thing.

Bear
Jul 7, 2013, 12:15 PM
I think it's more than that. It's also the fact that Starbucks is ubiquitous these days and hugely popular. There will always be people that, for one reason or another, like to distinguish themselves from the crowd by proclaiming themselves above a certain thing.There is that as well. As I said it's a human thing.

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 01:00 PM
I noticed that people IRL who don't care for Starbucks coffee often deliver a rant about all that is wrong with the brew. Some go on forever. I have always been curious as to what causes that need to vilify a cup of coffee?

Humans are like that. They can get passionate about anything.

Sometimes people who choose not to use a dominant brand have very strong opinions about it.

If you want to see some passion about coffee, come over to our Espresso enthusiasts (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1530636) thread! Lot's of fantastic discussion about espresso, espresso-based drinks and regular coffee. There is a ton of great advice and tips on brewing, roasting, and selecting coffees as well as the products which prepare them.

The group that participates are all very well mannered and understanding of everyone's preferences. At almost 1000 posts, I don't recall even one argument or fight amongst the group. Its a very nice and civil thread to be a part of.

Shrink
Jul 7, 2013, 01:13 PM
Hi, I am smiling reading your post. May I ask a question, please? I noticed that people IRL who don't care for Starbucks coffee often deliver a rant about all that is wrong with the brew. Some go on forever. I have always been curious as to what causes that need to vilify a cup of coffee?

When I order food or beverage that is not to my taste I simply don't do it again.

Curious as to what causes such passion about Starbucks?

Thanks

As a certifiably insane, completely around the bend, totally demented coffee freak (see "Espresso Enthusiast" thread mentioned by SandboxGeneral) I feel it is my moral responsibility, indeed my very raison d'être, to warn coffee drinkers to avoid Starbuck's espresso. A foul brew, indeed.

Also, because it's fun to dump on Starbuck's!:p :D

osofast240sx
Jul 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Your unit must have a bum battery then. The only time I ever run into issues with battery life was when I don't charge it for a week, and a 2- 4- or even 6- hour cafe trip doesn't phase it.doing real work mabey 3-4 hours.

thejadedmonkey
Jul 7, 2013, 04:11 PM
doing real work mabey 3-4 hours.

Are you talking about the Surface Pro? Because that has a battery life comparable to the 2012 11" Air. The Surface RT is more like the iPad, and gets somewhere around 8+ hours of runtime.

NewbieCanada
Jul 7, 2013, 04:25 PM
The group that participates are all very well mannered and understanding of everyone's preferences. At almost 1000 posts, I don't recall even one argument or fight amongst the group. Its a very nice and civil thread to be a part of.

I guess that's what happens when you just talk about it instead of drinking it. ;)

SandboxGeneral
Jul 7, 2013, 05:14 PM
I guess that's what happens when you just talk about it instead of drinking it. ;)

Who said anything about not drinking it? It is a well enjoyed and consumed beverage. :)

Shrink
Jul 7, 2013, 05:24 PM
I guess that's what happens when you just talk about it instead of drinking it. ;)

Who said anything about not drinking it? It is a well enjoyed and consumed beverage. :)

We make it...we drink it....we love it...

osofast240sx
Jul 7, 2013, 06:01 PM
Are you talking about the Surface Pro? Because that has a battery life comparable to the 2012 11" Air. The Surface RT is more like the iPad, and gets somewhere around 8+ hours of runtime.

Under heavy loads 3-4 hours max of your lucky. Light loads(surfing the net)6+ hours. Can't speak on the 2012 air, but my wife is going to enjoy her 12 hour plus 2013 air(normal usage)

daviddth
Jul 7, 2013, 06:10 PM
Hi, I am smiling reading your post. May I ask a question, please? I noticed that people IRL who don't care for Starbucks coffee often deliver a rant about all that is wrong with the brew. Some go on forever. I have always been curious as to what causes that need to vilify a cup of coffee?

It's not the brand, but the taste. My son loves a couple of the Starbucks coffee's, and I have tried maybe 30 or 40 cups of different types and none were nice at all. I can drink most coffee's from a thick Turkish coffee to soy based, and even instant coffee's but there was a taste about the Starbucks ones that I did not like.

I just wont go back and have a coffee there, no big deal, and since there is not one close to here it's not a problem for me. The one we regularly go near has a Gloria Jean's 4 or 5 doors away and I do like their cappuccino's and short black's a lot :)

Oh and both of them have free WiFi for customers so that is a plus for keeping data use down on the iPhone, iPad, and those with Laptop's

Soulman
Jul 7, 2013, 06:52 PM
... and I'm happy every time I see a black MB or a non unibody MBP.

I still rock mine :apple:, although baby does not get out the house as much these days. She does all of the heavy lifting at home. She's outfitted with 2GB Ram and 128GB memory.

DarthMoops
Jul 7, 2013, 10:14 PM
Interesting, which studies are these?

The ones done by Maxwell House in 1956! :D

SusanK
Jul 7, 2013, 10:17 PM
Hi david, thank you for your response to my way OT Starbucks question. Not buying something that does not appeal to you makes total sense to me. That I understand completely.

Bear, you attributed this to human nature. That encompasses an endless array of behaviors that can be difficult to understand. You mentioned Apple products generating passion along it other products. I did not mention Apple stuff intentionally in my post but I have noticed it since we bought our first Mac.

It was one of the old Performa series Macs. At that time Gil Amelio was CEO, Power Computing was selling clones, Mac users were considered to be tin foil hat wearing weirdos and the company was expected to go belly up.

Still with Apple's difficult position at that time our friends teased us unmercifully about out computer choice. We liked the Mac so we got one. Just that simple. Folks cracked hard on us.

Later on as Apple's fortunes improved there was obvious envy particularly since we purchased a few shares in a show of support when things were looking dim. Lots of envy when the price of AAPL went way up. Those folks feel better now but are unhappy about the dividend. Oh well.

Human behavior may very well be the answer.

NewbieCanada, you mentioned dominant brand. Could very well be. You also mentioned MS and Walmart. Walmart makes me crazy. I was there this evening. I needed tin snips. The abject stupidity in that store is what gets to me. People working in the hardware and tools department were oblivious about tin snips. They had me spell it and explain the use of the tool! On balance I was glad to be there. Walmart was open when my local hardware is not. My local hardware gives excellent service and advice.

Stupidity is my only issue with Walmart. I am OK with people who love to shop there. Their choice of where to spend money.

Amplelink, if I understood your post it could be the desire not to follow the crowd. that one makes sense too.

Shrink, your posts are always interesting. The cartoon cracked me up. I am indeed a coffee drinker. I'm gong thru an adjustment period as Caribou is closing all the stores in my state. The last one in a reasonable driving distance closed last Sunday. I bought my morning beans there. Gotta find them online.

SandboxGeneral, thanks for the link to the coffee thread. I hope to read that tonight.

Confession, I did stop at Starbucks just before driving home tonight. I had my coffee at Panera. Needed a sandwich and some joe after the Walmart/tin snips errand :)

I didn't buy anything at Starbucks today. I had my drink from Panera and used the WiFi for a few. Panera closes early on Sunday here.

I did look to see who was using what device. There was one Dell and another non Apple product. The rest were Macs and iPads. I do see mostly Macs at Starbucks. We have an excellent Apple store close by. Team in that store is very accommodating and helpful. There are two other Apple Stores about 30 miles away from it in either direction. That may explain the Mac dominance in my immediate area.

Thanks again for all the posts. Very interesting and much appreciated.

Beau10
Jul 8, 2013, 03:06 AM
i find people who bring laptops in cafes are just showoffs ( you cant do any serious work in cafes ffs )


I spent almost my entire last year working out of cafes as a remote software dev.

I'll admit, most of the people I see aren't doing serious work. I tend to do a few hours of billable work, go to the gym, then go some other cafe and do a few.

blueroom
Jul 8, 2013, 11:11 AM
The Windows laptops are always the ones plugged into the AC.

GekkePrutser
Jul 8, 2013, 04:59 PM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)

I just bring what I like to use, I wouldn't care what I'm seen with ;)

SusanK
Jul 8, 2013, 05:19 PM
I just bring what I like to use, I wouldn't care what I'm seen with ;)

this

Bear
Jul 9, 2013, 08:28 AM
I just bring what I like to use, I wouldn't care what I'm seen with ;)How Zen of you.

KellyC
Jul 22, 2013, 07:25 PM
Want to see an alternate universe?
Go to a Starbucks in Bellevue or Redmond Washington.

rdlink
Jul 22, 2013, 09:50 PM
Whenever I go to a Starbucks, I take my Surface RT, just so I'm not a hipster.

I like to start my own trends, and go against the crowd. ;)

Well, you don't have to worry about too many people copying you there...

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Depends on where you live. When I was on the East coast it varied by the day. Some days there would be way more Macs. Other days it was usually even. When I moved to San Francisco it was always almost exclusively Macs. In Denver I see very few people with computers in Starbucks. Most of them are talking to other people.

Scepticalscribe
Jul 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
If you want to see some passion about coffee, come over to our Espresso enthusiasts (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1530636) thread! Lot's of fantastic discussion about espresso, espresso-based drinks and regular coffee. There is a ton of great advice and tips on brewing, roasting, and selecting coffees as well as the products which prepare them.

The group that participates are all very well mannered and understanding of everyone's preferences. At almost 1000 posts, I don't recall even one argument or fight amongst the group. Its a very nice and civil thread to be a part of.

Agreed; that is a lovely, informative, fun, thread, if a little obsessively deranged at times (and I'm writing as in the fond recognition that I am one of those who most certainly could be classed as occasionally suffering from this condition).

As a certifiably insane, completely around the bend, totally demented coffee freak (see "Espresso Enthusiast" thread mentioned by SandboxGeneral) I feel it is my moral responsibility, indeed my very raison d'être, to warn coffee drinkers to avoid Starbuck's espresso. A foul brew, indeed.

Also, because it's fun to dump on Starbuck's!:p :D

I actually like the idea of Starbuck's, or, rather, that is, Starbuck's the concept of the coffee shop (not the reality of Starbuck's the cannibalising chain) - that attractive ambience that the cafés try to create; I love this civilised concept of deep armchairs, dark wooden floors, comfortable surroundings, attractive lighting, high ceilings, and the sort of proper service and equipment that a good café have.

However, as a coffee lover, I have to say that the coffee really is rather dreadful. I avoid it - it really does not merit the name of real, proper, coffee.



Who said anything about not drinking it? It is a well enjoyed and consumed beverage. :)

We make it...we drink it....we love it...

Yes, we do.

On the thread topic, I have to say, over the past few years, ever since I got into the habit of using wifi in airports, I love using coffee shops for work. It is not a daily occurrence, but, if I have to attend a meeting, or give a presentation, and prepare material, or papers, or write reports, and I am moving between one urban centre and another, there is no better place, in my view, than finding a good, capacious, coffee shop, the sort with black-and-white tiles, or dark, wooden floors, comfortable armchairs or booths, accessible tables, excellent coffee and snacks, good service, cleanliness, professional properly trained staff, wifi, a mixed crowd, suits and students both, along with shoppers, and the low hum of thoughtful conversation in the background. I have done some serious writing of briefings and papers in such settings, and I love it. (And yes, I have a MBA, and have had one since 2010, which has travelled the world with me).

Shrink and SBG: In my present location, one of my colleagues told of his coffee, but what he meant also was his relationship with his wife. She buys beans, carefully selected after much Skyping discussion between them, roasts the coffee weekly, next grinds it (yes, they have the proper paraphernalia) and then proceeds to ship it to where we are. I informed him that this is a definition of true love. He sighed happily and agreed with me. To say that I was envious would be a serious understatement.......

Hi david, thank you for your response to my way OT Starbucks question. Not buying something that does not appeal to you makes total sense to me. That I understand completely.

Bear, you attributed this to human nature. That encompasses an endless array of behaviors that can be difficult to understand. You mentioned Apple products generating passion along it other products. I did not mention Apple stuff intentionally in my post but I have noticed it since we bought our first Mac.

It was one of the old Performa series Macs. At that time Gil Amelio was CEO, Power Computing was selling clones, Mac users were considered to be tin foil hat wearing weirdos and the company was expected to go belly up.

Still with Apple's difficult position at that time our friends teased us unmercifully about out computer choice. We liked the Mac so we got one. Just that simple. Folks cracked hard on us.

Later on as Apple's fortunes improved there was obvious envy particularly since we purchased a few shares in a show of support when things were looking dim. Lots of envy when the price of AAPL went way up. Those folks feel better now but are unhappy about the dividend. Oh well.

Human behavior may very well be the answer.

NewbieCanada, you mentioned dominant brand. Could very well be. You also mentioned MS and Walmart. Walmart makes me crazy. I was there this evening. I needed tin snips. The abject stupidity in that store is what gets to me. People working in the hardware and tools department were oblivious about tin snips. They had me spell it and explain the use of the tool! On balance I was glad to be there. Walmart was open when my local hardware is not. My local hardware gives excellent service and advice.

Stupidity is my only issue with Walmart. I am OK with people who love to shop there. Their choice of where to spend money.

Amplelink, if I understood your post it could be the desire not to follow the crowd. that one makes sense too.

Shrink, your posts are always interesting. The cartoon cracked me up. I am indeed a coffee drinker. I'm gong thru an adjustment period as Caribou is closing all the stores in my state. The last one in a reasonable driving distance closed last Sunday. I bought my morning beans there. Gotta find them online.

SandboxGeneral, thanks for the link to the coffee thread. I hope to read that tonight.

Confession, I did stop at Starbucks just before driving home tonight. I had my coffee at Panera. Needed a sandwich and some joe after the Walmart/tin snips errand :)

I didn't buy anything at Starbucks today. I had my drink from Panera and used the WiFi for a few. Panera closes early on Sunday here.

I did look to see who was using what device. There was one Dell and another non Apple product. The rest were Macs and iPads. I do see mostly Macs at Starbucks. We have an excellent Apple store close by. Team in that store is very accommodating and helpful. There are two other Apple Stores about 30 miles away from it in either direction. That may explain the Mac dominance in my immediate area.

Thanks again for all the posts. Very interesting and much appreciated.

Great and beautifully written post; I have taken the liberty of quoting it in full because I think it is the sort of thoughtfully composed and elegant post that enhances the forums.

2IS
Jul 23, 2013, 03:21 PM
When I go to Starbucks, I lay out all my Apple devices on the table to increase my odds of getting laid.

cramazing
Jul 23, 2013, 03:27 PM
When I go to Starbucks, I lay out all my Apple devices on the table to increase my odds of getting laid.

haha

Scepticalscribe
Jul 23, 2013, 04:22 PM
When I go to Starbucks, I lay out all my Apple devices on the table to increase my odds of getting laid.

And - forgive my curiosity - but has this - ah - elaborately constructed strategy enjoyed much success?

Aniseedvan
Jul 24, 2013, 05:11 AM
We don't have a starbucks near us (yes, there is a corner of Britain without one!) but our local Costa has almost all windows laptops. My work win laptop is like a brick, I personally prefer to leave it on the desk at home or the office.

I find it handy in the odd occaision to be able to take my air & log into our work network via Citrix to keep an eye on my email for an hour or so. I spend long periods of my day on the phone and there would be a perception that I was skiving if the other people on the call could hear the general background noise!

Zaphyrus
Jul 24, 2013, 01:13 PM
I find this also relatable to the area and demographic. I live in the city of Chicago and walking into a coffee shop, you'll see everyone does indeed have a Mac. Though I can easily link that to the fact that there are a good handful of colleges in the area and 2 of which are schools that offer Film as a major (all my friends that have went to school at either college are all die hard Apple users. I'll assume it's FCP X). They also have their own apple stores on campus so that helps.

On the flip side, when I go back to the outer suburbs of Chicago to visit my parents, you'll see a more even balance of Macs to PCs. I guess it's all about lifestyle and environment.

SusanK
Aug 4, 2013, 07:39 PM
All MBP's this evening. Not an Air in the house.