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dugbug
Jul 7, 2013, 08:06 PM
Ok two sentences into the batch thread stickied at the top I realized that's too hard core.

I propose a different tact: The EASIEST way to get a DVD/bluray into iTunes including non-free options.

I have found a simple flow thanks to the thread discussion:

ivi pro

While not free it is only $10 and offers a one step process. It rips from DVDs, encodes to the necessary apple format (if desired), locates and installs full metadata, and adds to itunes.


Here are some other ripping systems (DVD only):
> Handbrake, which has an apple tv preset for each generation. It does not do anything with metadata, so you would have to follow up with a separate step.

> RipIt. Similar to handbrake, but with a more friendly GUI.


And ripping for Blu-Ray:
> MakeMKV

None of the ripping utilities are in the Mac App store (and neither is IVI pro btw).





Metadata
Both IVI and iFlicks are good metadata options for mac, are fully scriptable, and easy GUIs. They can re-encode video from one format to another, or not if you want to do in-place metadata updates. Both are available in the mac app store, and both have free time-limited trials.

The only difference between IVI Pro and IVI is the DVD ripping, so the IVI Pro trial is here:
http://spsdownload.com/iVI/iVI.dmg
Home page: http://www.southpolesoftware.com/iVI/iVI.php

The iFlicks trial is here:
http://www.iflicksapp.com/download/iFlicks.dmg
Home page: http://www.iflicksapp.com/


One thing about IVI is that I have confirmed from the author it understands and can work with MakeMKV output. i do not know if iFlicks can do that or not.

-d



FreakinEurekan
Jul 8, 2013, 10:50 AM
1a. DVD: Use HandBrake with the "Apple TV 3" preset, send it to the desktop.

1b. Blu-Ray: Use MakeMKV to "backup" the Blu-Ray to an MKV folder on the desktop, then use HandBrake with "Apple TV 3" preset to convert that to a .M4V file on the desktop

2. With either of the above: drag the .M4V file created by HandBrake from the desktop into "IDentify" (from Mac App store). Set IDentify to add the movie to iTunes upon completion. It will tag the movie & copy it into your iTunes library.

3. Delete any files remaining on your desktop, you're done with them.

tgara
Jul 8, 2013, 10:56 AM
Thanks Freakin', good to know.

Question on Handbrake: If I would like to view movies ripped in Handbrake on several devices (e.g., iPad, iPhone, etc.) and not just the Apple TV, would another preset be more appropriate than the Apple TV 3 Preset? I can see how Apple TV 3 would be fine if you ONLY wanted to view your movies on an Apple TV, but what about when you would like to view on other devices in addition to the ATV?

OP, sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread..... :cool:

Wildog27
Jul 8, 2013, 11:25 AM
In the preferences of Handbrake 0.9.9, you can select an option to send the file automatically to a metadata editor.

heimbachae
Jul 8, 2013, 11:46 AM
I usually do hi profile, that does well enough for DVDs.

on a small sidenote, take notice if a DVD has subtitles. for example, I have both kill bill movies which do at some parts have subtitles, but because I had no idea this was something separate I had to do, those parts will forever be gibberish to me.

mic j
Jul 8, 2013, 12:17 PM
I usually do hi profile, that does well enough for DVDs.

on a small sidenote, take notice if a DVD has subtitles. for example, I have both kill bill movies which do at some parts have subtitles, but because I had no idea this was something separate I had to do, those parts will forever be gibberish to me.
You can still add them.

the easiest option is to search online for the subtitle srt files. Note: Make sure you choose the appropriate one e.g. english, dvd. Then add them to the mp4 using Subler. Make sure you check the sync. If it is off a little, Subler has an Offset adjustment. You delete the just added srt track, then add it back using an Offset adjustment. May take a few trials to get it "perfect" but it's quick and often not needed.

salohcin
Jul 8, 2013, 02:31 PM
Thanks Freakin', good to know.

Question on Handbrake: If I would like to view movies ripped in Handbrake on several devices (e.g., iPad, iPhone, etc.) and not just the Apple TV, would another preset be more appropriate than the Apple TV 3 Preset? I can see how Apple TV 3 would be fine if you ONLY wanted to view your movies on an Apple TV, but what about when you would like to view on other devices in addition to the ATV?

OP, sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread..... :cool:

It depends on the age of your devices. The Apple TV 3 setting will work on the iPad 3 and later (as long as you don't go over the 1920x1080 pixel limit). It should also work on the iPhone 4s and 5 (though I don't have either one to confirm that).

The best way to be sure is to encode to the device that's the oldest or has the most restrictions.

FreakinEurekan
Jul 8, 2013, 03:40 PM
Thanks Freakin', good to know.

Question on Handbrake: If I would like to view movies ripped in Handbrake on several devices (e.g., iPad, iPhone, etc.) and not just the Apple TV, would another preset be more appropriate than the Apple TV 3 Preset? I can see how Apple TV 3 would be fine if you ONLY wanted to view your movies on an Apple TV, but what about when you would like to view on other devices in addition to the ATV?

OP, sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread..... :cool:

ATV3 preset works for me on my Apple TVs, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, and iPad Mini. I don't think it would work on an iPhone 3G/3GS or iPod Touch 1st-3rd generation (non-Retina).

tgara
Jul 8, 2013, 05:38 PM
Thanks guys.

In addition to the gear in my sig line, my wife has an iPad 3 and an iPhone 4. I'll experiment with a few of the presets and use whatever works best.

dugbug
Jul 8, 2013, 05:57 PM
Ah just one more thing on iFlicks: If you select "itunes compatible" it will not re-encode. Just enters the metadata.

heimbachae
Jul 9, 2013, 06:26 AM
You can still add them.

the easiest option is to search online for the subtitle srt files. Note: Make sure you choose the appropriate one e.g. english, dvd. Then add them to the mp4 using Subler. Make sure you check the sync. If it is off a little, Subler has an Offset adjustment. You delete the just added srt track, then add it back using an Offset adjustment. May take a few trials to get it "perfect" but it's quick and often not needed.

oh yea? thanks man ill have to check that out.

JoeBlow74
Jul 9, 2013, 01:39 PM
Ok two sentences into the batch thread stickied at the top I realized that's too hard core.

I propose a different tact: The EASIEST way to get a DVD/bluray into iTunes including non-free options.

I have found a simple flow but its time consuming, and was hoping if anyone had a better way:

Step 1: Use RipIt with "High Quality M4V" option and 'compress' option. It singles out the actual movie and nothing else, and rips to your movies folder (I do not put it in itunes just yet)

Step 2: Launch iFlicks with "new Apple TV & iPad" and "Add to iTunes" as the options. I drag the movie onto the app and if it does not recognize the metadata right away, I select "edit/search for details" and help it out.

iFlicks fills in tremendous amount of metadata and artwork (more than you can using the get info dialog), all from movie and tv databases.

Step 3: Delete the workfiles. This can be avoided by having the tools delete their respective files when they are done.



What I find aggravating is that iFlicks and Ripit can never agree on a single encoding. iFlicks has to re-encode the movie. I've tried a few options between them.





Have you tried a software called iVI Pro? Very cool software. You can down load a demo version and test it out. I find that it works much better than Handbrake. After adding your MKV file to the queue, you can use the search option in the software to retrieve meta data from TVDB or movieDB for all the meta data you want. It auto fills the meta data for you. No typing anything. After it transcodes the video with very little compression, it imports the file into Itunes. It also has the capability to MUX the video into H.264 with no compression, but I cannot get AppleTV3 to play those files. You can also enable video and audio passthrough for lossless video and audio. If you name the incoming file correct, iVI Pro will even auto lookup the meta data for you and fill in the info. But, I have not had good luck with that. It has to be close to what is shown on TVDB or movieDB for that auto lookup to work properly.

dugbug
Jul 10, 2013, 07:19 AM
Have you tried a software called iVI Pro? Very cool software. You can down load a demo version and test it out. I find that it works much better than Handbrake. After adding your MKV file to the queue, you can use the search option in the software to retrieve meta data from TVDB or movieDB for all the meta data you want. It auto fills the meta data for you. No typing anything. After it transcodes the video with very little compression, it imports the file into Itunes. It also has the capability to MUX the video into H.264 with no compression, but I cannot get AppleTV3 to play those files. You can also enable video and audio passthrough for lossless video and audio. If you name the incoming file correct, iVI Pro will even auto lookup the meta data for you and fill in the info. But, I have not had good luck with that. It has to be close to what is shown on TVDB or movieDB for that auto lookup to work properly.


No but reading on it it does look cool, and $10 is reasonable. But it says it does not remove the protection of DVDs, so it requires VLC player. Is that just legal speak? Have you used it to back up one of your purchased DVD movies and play it on an apple tv?





edit: and what a nice gui... very iflicks-ish but with ripping capabilities
http://www.southpolesoftware.com/iVI/images/screenshots/devices.png

JoeBlow74
Jul 10, 2013, 08:01 AM
No but reading on it it does look cool, and $10 is reasonable. But it says it does not remove the protection of DVDs, so it requires VLC player. Is that just legal speak? Have you used it to back up one of your purchased DVD movies and play it on an apple tv?





edit: and what a nice gui... very iflicks-ish but with ripping capabilities
Image (http://www.southpolesoftware.com/iVI/images/screenshots/devices.png)


I have only used it to import MKV files. No, it does not need VLC player. It is a stand alone software. I have been using this for a while now and I have been very happy with the results.

Che Castro
Jul 10, 2013, 08:32 AM
You could avoid a step by ripping the DVD in mkv/mp4 h264

Now with iflicks use the iTunes compatible tab & it should only muxed the file not convert , muxing takes a minute or 2

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Ah just one more thing on iFlicks: If you select "itunes compatible" it will not re-encode. Just enters the metadata.

This only works if the file is h264

You can check this with mkvtools or mp4tools

Most .avi are mpeg , that you find around the net

You guys should be ripping your blurays/DVDs in h264 if possible , this way you don't have to encode with handbrake or iflicks

Just muxed them & that takes a few minutes or less

mic j
Jul 10, 2013, 08:36 AM
You could avoid a step by ripping the DVD in mkv/mp4 h264

Now with iflicks use the iTunes compatible tab & it should only muxed the file not convert , muxing takes a minute or 2

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This only works if the file is h264

You can check this with mkvtools or mp4tools

Most .avi are mpeg , that you find around the net

You guys should be ripping your blurays/DVDs in h264 if possible , this way you don't have to encode with handbrake or iflicks

Just muxed them & that takes a few minutes or less
Dvd's do not use the h.264 codec. Many, but not all, BR's use the h.264 codec.

Che Castro
Jul 10, 2013, 08:54 AM
Is so much easier when you download

mic j
Jul 10, 2013, 09:04 AM
Is so much easier when you download

Lets not go there. :rolleyes:

Since dvd's were being talked about, I did not want anyone to buy the app(s) expecting to be able to do a lossless remux of their "dvd" collection to iTunes compatible format and then be back at the forum, asking why they were unable to get their file to play in iTunes.

rsnaider
Jul 10, 2013, 10:15 AM
What does everyone here use for Windows as most of the Metadata tools are Mac only?

I have MakeMKV and Handbreak and have painfully converted almost 400 DVD's but just find a picture in images.google.com for metadata and there has to be a better way.

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 11:38 AM
What does everyone here use for Windows as most of the Metadata tools are Mac only?

I have MakeMKV and Handbreak and have painfully converted almost 400 DVD's but just find a picture in images.google.com for metadata and there has to be a better way.

^^ that's what I do. and 400!!!! I thought my 175 was bad, geeze!!!!!!

dugbug
Jul 10, 2013, 12:15 PM
^^ that's what I do. and 400!!!! I thought my 175 was bad, geeze!!!!!!


Why don't you just buy a Mac and run windows in bootcamp or in a vm? Man I can't imagine doing metadata by hand. Ivi and iflicks are amazing

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 12:27 PM
Why don't you just buy a Mac and run windows in bootcamp or in a vm? Man I can't imagine doing metadata by hand. Ivi and iflicks are amazing

it's not bad once your library is through the gauntlet. now the occasional redbox DVD or whatever works. and I've owned my 27" iMac for about 3 years and a handful of months... never felt like putting windows on it. felt it would ruin my experience, maybe I'll see about putting 7 on there....

edit: are iflicks or lvi windows exclusives?

dugbug
Jul 10, 2013, 12:30 PM
it's not bad once your library is through the gauntlet. now the occasional redbox DVD or whatever works. and I've owned my 27" iMac for about 3 years and a handful of months... never felt like putting windows on it. felt it would ruin my experience, maybe I'll see about putting 7 on there....

edit: are iflicks or lvi windows exclusives?

No Mac exclusives. I thought he was using windows. All the good metadata tools I know of are mac only.

You can download free trials of either. Ivi pro has handbrake built in so it can rip DVDs as well as metadata. It also can encode mkv files from blu rays (I have not verified that yet but author claims it)

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
I've never ripped bluray, obviously don't have a drive. can the programs add information to already ripped files? I've already converted them to MP4 and chucked them into iTunes.

how much larger are bluray files compared to standard def?? my TB is filing up quickly, and the standard def versions work well for what I need, mostly just put them on my 4S, original iPad or just stream to appleTV.

dugbug
Jul 10, 2013, 12:47 PM
I think both can add metadata in place to existing files.

KevinC867
Jul 10, 2013, 12:50 PM
it's not bad once your library is through the gauntlet. now the occasional redbox DVD or whatever works. and I've owned my 27" iMac for about 3 years and a handful of months... never felt like putting windows on it. felt it would ruin my experience, maybe I'll see about putting 7 on there....

edit: are iflicks or lvi windows exclusives?

It sounds like you have a Mac, but you do all your video processing on a Windows machine? That's pretty much my setup. I used to use MetaX to do the tagging on the PC. However, after the processing, all my video files end up residing on my Mac. That makes it convenient to do the tagging on my Mac as a final step before they go in my library. I use Identify - another excellent, Mac only, metadata tagging app.

I just tried an experiment and ran Identify on files which are shared from my PC. It worked much faster than I expected. Apparently Identify doesn't need to read/write the entire file to do the tagging. So, running something like Identify on your Mac might be a painless way to do the tagging of the files on your PC.

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 12:56 PM
me??? I'm just a random forum runner, not the OP. I'm all Apple baby :cool:

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and, for serious, I use handbrake, takes roughly 45 minutes per movie on average, then chucking into iTunes and putting all the relevant information I need takes another 5-10 minutes, google search a good poster image and boom I'm done. my TB has about 120gigs left so I have room to play.

KevinC867
Jul 10, 2013, 12:57 PM
me??? I'm just a random forum runner, not the OP. I'm all Apple baby :cool:

Sorry. I lost track. I guess the one working in Windows was "rsnaider". If he doesn't have a Mac, MetaX is probably still the best bet for tagging. But it's not nearly as good as the Mac only alternatives. (At least it wasn't when I last used it a year or so ago.)

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 01:04 PM
Sorry. I lost track. I guess the one working in Windows was "rsnaider". If he doesn't have a Mac, MetaX is probably still the best bet for tagging. But it's not nearly as good as the Mac only alternatives. (At least it wasn't when I last used it a year or so ago.)

word. so iflick and lvi.... I'll look them up when I get home. thanks man!

JoeBlow74
Jul 10, 2013, 02:10 PM
I've never ripped bluray, obviously don't have a drive. can the programs add information to already ripped files? I've already converted them to MP4 and chucked them into iTunes.

how much larger are bluray files compared to standard def?? my TB is filing up quickly, and the standard def versions work well for what I need, mostly just put them on my 4S, original iPad or just stream to appleTV.



iVI Pro can add meta data to already ripped H.264 files. You can change the meta data as many times as you want without messing with the video file.

heimbachae
Jul 10, 2013, 02:26 PM
iVI Pro can add meta data to already ripped H.264 files. You can change the meta data as many times as you want without messing with the video file.

schweet

rsnaider
Jul 10, 2013, 02:26 PM
So it would seem all the good people here use Mac's and that is where most of the development goes towards these tools.

oh-well, only a hundred or so more to go and I will be done......

dugbug
Jul 10, 2013, 05:04 PM
I updated the original post to include the info from the discussions.

KevinC867
Jul 10, 2013, 06:42 PM
So it would seem all the good people here use Mac's and that is where most of the development goes towards these tools.

oh-well, only a hundred or so more to go and I will be done......

Have you tried using MetaX?

rsnaider
Jul 10, 2013, 08:28 PM
Have you tried using MetaX?

For 9.95 I have tried it and bought it, thanks!!!

PCtoMAC1
Jul 13, 2013, 08:31 PM
1a. DVD: Use HandBrake with the "Apple TV 3" preset, send it to the desktop.

1b. Blu-Ray: Use MakeMKV to "backup" the Blu-Ray to an MKV folder on the desktop, then use HandBrake with "Apple TV 3" preset to convert that to a .M4V file on the desktop

2. With either of the above: drag the .M4V file created by HandBrake from the desktop into "IDentify" (from Mac App store). Set IDentify to add the movie to iTunes upon completion. It will tag the movie & copy it into your iTunes library.

3. Delete any files remaining on your desktop, you're done with them.

So I tried this method (and the others) and for both I cannot see my movie on Apple TV (it only shows up on the "computer tab). For the option above I am missing the artwork. Is there any way to add it?

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So I tried this method (and the others) and for both I cannot see my movie on Apple TV (it only shows up on the "computer tab). For the option above I am missing the artwork. Is there any way to add it?

Sorry, I meant the "computers" tab on Apple TV. It doesn't show up under the "movies" tab.

FreakinEurekan
Jul 14, 2013, 07:10 AM
So I tried this method (and the others) and for both I cannot see my movie on Apple TV (it only shows up on the "computer tab). For the option above I am missing the artwork. Is there any way to add it?

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Sorry, I meant the "computers" tab on Apple TV. It doesn't show up under the "movies" tab.

It's normal for it to be under the "Computers" tab. The "Movies" tab is for iTunes Store movies. "Computers" is where you'll find your shared iTunes library from your computer.

Artwork is normally added by IDentify. You can drag the movie from iTunes back into IDentify, let it re-scan, select "Edit Tags", go to the "Artwork" tab, and make sure it's found something appropriate.

priitv8
Jul 14, 2013, 10:49 AM
Sorry, I meant the "computers" tab on Apple TV. It doesn't show up under the "movies" tab.It never will. Under Movies tab, you can only browse iTunes Store content plus your purchases from the same. All streaming content will be visible as Home Sharing libraries under the Computers tab.

PCtoMAC1
Jul 14, 2013, 02:45 PM
Thanks guys!

Sparky9292
Jul 22, 2013, 10:36 PM
iVI Pro can add meta data to already ripped H.264 files. You can change the meta data as many times as you want without messing with the video file.

+1 vote for iVI Pro. I was using MP4Tools and Identify2 before.