Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster

[leekohler]

He's got to be kidding, right? Ha-ha!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/sns-ap-robertson-evolution,1,2687525.story?coll=chi-news-hed

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.

All eight Dover, Pa., school board members up for re-election were defeated Tuesday after trying to introduce "intelligent design" -- the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power -- as an alternative to the theory of evolution.

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club."

Eight families had sued the district, claiming the policy violates the constitutional separation of church and state. The federal trial concluded days before Tuesday's election, but no ruling has been issued.

Later Thursday, Robertson issued a statement saying he was simply trying to point out that "our spiritual actions have consequences."

"God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help them."

Robertson made headlines this summer when he called on his daily show for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
:rolleyes:

[wordmunger]

It's amazing that anyone takes Pat Robertson seriously anymore. Just ignore him, people!

[leekohler]

It's amazing that anyone takes Pat Robertson seriously anymore. Just ignore him, people!

I was laughing. :)

[JesseJames]

He comes across exactly like the crazy uncle in the family that no one really talks about. :D

[pseudobrit]

"If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help them."

What about all those God-fearing people in Mississippi?

Neither God or the beloved Bush government came to their aid.

So if you ask me, Bush is the ultimate practitioner of (social) Darwinism.

[lopresmb]

Pat Robertson has a known history of putting his foot in his mouth. I have a hard time even acknowledging him as an Christian, not even to mention one of the most outspoken, boisterous "evangelical Christians." Its people like him who give true believers a bad name. unfortunate...

[Sayhey]

It's amazing that anyone takes Pat Robertson seriously anymore. Just ignore him, people!

The hard part of that is that this nut actually has a lot of influence in the Republican party. So how do we ignore a looney that helps to shape national policy? I'd love to ignore him, but when he speaks in prime time at GOP conventions it's hard to. If we could just convince our good friends at the RNC, the halls of Congress, and the White House to ignore him, then we would be getting somewhere.

[wordmunger]

The hard part of that is that this nut actually has a lot of influence in the Republican party. So how do we ignore a looney that helps to shape national policy? I'd love to ignore him, but when he speaks in prime time at GOP conventions it's hard to. If we could just convince our good friends at the RNC, the halls of Congress, and the White House to ignore him, then we would be getting somewhere.

Yes, you're right. I was mainly hoping that the Main Stream Media would ignore him. I suppose its better to show what a wingnut he is than to just let him have his influence without showing his insane zealot side.

[rdowns]

We should just assasinate him. Better than starting a holy war.

[leekohler]

We should just assasinate him. Better than starting a holy war.

Oh! Good idea! Are you volunteering?:)

[Thomas Veil]

In a similar vein...

Criticizing a ballot measure passed by 60 percent of San Francisco voters urging public high schools and colleges to prohibit on-campus military recruiting, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly declared on the November 8 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, "[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off-limits to you, except San Francisco."

From the November 8 broadcast of Fox News' The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: Hey, you know, if you want to ban military recruiting, fine, but I'm not going to give you another nickel of federal money. You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium, and I say, "Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds. Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead."

And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead. Because of their blatant stupidities, both the Robertson comment and this one made the #1 spot on Countdown with Keith Olbermann.

O'Reilly is really building a reputation for becoming one of the most disgustingly petty "commentators" out there.

Moron.

[tristan]

From what I've seen, lots of people are distancing themselves from Robertson. He's become an embarrassment, which is fine with me.

BTW I have to say that O'Reilly's principle that makes sense - regions shouldn't be allowed to ban military recruiting. Obviously saying that Al Queda should be allowed to come blow the city up is a little nutso. :-)

[pseudobrit]

Oh! Good idea! Are you volunteering?:)

As a holy warrior or holy assassin?

[mactastic]

BTW I have to say that O'Reilly's principle that makes sense - regions shouldn't be allowed to ban military recruiting. Obviously saying that Al Queda should be allowed to come blow the city up is a little nutso. :-)
My understanding is that San Francisco no more banned military recruiting than Dover did vote God out of their city.

SF wanted to ban military recruiting on HS and college campuses. And if it's OK for a school board to decide whether or not to teach evolution, I don't how it's a far leap to say we don't want military recruiters forced down our throats here.

Of course that doesn't mean SF no longer allows military recruitment in their city -- but that hasn't stopped some folks from saying they hate the military. Just as voting to keep ID out of your schools isn't voting to get rid of all churches and cease allowing worship within city limits, which didn't stop Robertson from saying they banned God from their town.

[leekohler]

As a holy warrior or holy assassin?

Hmm... :)

[tristan]

My understanding is that San Francisco no more banned military recruiting than Dover did vote God out of their city.


Thanks - I didn't really know the details.

[solvs]

Thanks - I didn't really know the details.
The devil is in the details. ;) Often times I'll think something isn't all that bad until I read a little more about it, and then come here and get even more pissed. Sometimes I think the media isn't doing it's job very well. Sometimes.

[tristan]

Good point. Like I read that in Dover, the entire issue was over one brief four paragraph statement that was required to be read by science teachers, and a textbook that would be made available only to students who wanted it (Pandas and People). The statement is fairly innocuous, stating that there are gaps in evolution and that alternative creation theories have been proposed. However, mild as it is, I still believe it still shouldn't be read.

article link, includes the Dover statement (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9444600/)

[iGary]

The best one was when he said that a hurricane would hit Disney World/Orlando because of gay week there.

One week later, a hurrcane hits Virginia Beach where he is headquartered.

[Dont Hurt Me]

The guy is a extremist, Science is a study of Gods Universe, how it came about, how it works etc. I still would love to hear this guy explain dinosaurs or how about our Sun which is 4.5 billion years old and is a secondary star meaning another star went nova before our Sun came into being. Does he have any idea how that iron thats in his blood came to exist? Iron doesnt just pop out of thin air. Still amazed that these zealots are trying to use a 2,000 year old book to explain science in the 21st century.

[mactastic]

If you really want to get upset at SF's voters, there are better ways. Like their new handgun ban. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/10/BAGGCFLLCI1.DTL)

I'm telling you right now, you're gonna need those handguns when Bill O'Reilly (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008) leads an al Qaeda attack on Coit Tower...

[IJ Reilly]

If you really want to get upset at SF's voters, there are better ways. Like their new handgun ban. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/10/BAGGCFLLCI1.DTL)

I'm telling you right now, you're gonna need those handguns when Bill O'Reilly (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008) leads an al Qaeda attack on Coit Tower...

Now, now... Bill didn't say he was going to lead the attack, just that it would serve San Francisco right if it happened.

[mactastic]

Now, now... Bill didn't say he was going to lead the attack, just that it would serve San Francisco right if it happened.
And it would serve them right. Whole town full of nothing but homo-loving, gun-hating, America-haters if you ask me.

Well, and some pissed off firefighters. (http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=4107018&nav=menu130_1)

Oh yeah, and the monument Bill offers up to the terrorists -- it's to honor the SF firefighters. The ones from 1906 IIRC. Bill's just obsessed with it because it looks like a giant penis.

Heh... Watching Bill self-destruct in even more amusing than I thought it could ever be.

[Dont Hurt Me]

If you really want to get upset at SF's voters, there are better ways. Like their new handgun ban. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/10/BAGGCFLLCI1.DTL)

I'm telling you right now, you're gonna need those handguns when Bill O'Reilly (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008) leads an al Qaeda attack on Coit Tower...
The bad thing is the good guys will hand over their guns, the bad guys thats another story and there is the problem with guns. You are disarming the victims. Criminals dont follow Laws so this empowers the gun toting Criminal. SanFran is in Koolaid land. whats new?

[treblah]

Oh yeah, and the monument Bill offers up to the terrorists -- it's to honor the SF firefighters. The ones from 1906 IIRC.

Someone help me with the details but I was listening to the Studio360 podcast yesterday and the guest said that the whole 'evangelical Christian' movement came out of SF when some preacher said that SF would perish for its sins.

And then three days later the quake hit. He even mentioned Pat Roberts as one of the descendants from the movement that began after the preachers 'revelation'.

So if anyone has a time machine go back to 1906 and kill that guy. In turn we would no longer have a Pat Roberts. Two birds with one stone. ;)

[solvs]

And then three days later the quake hit.
Well, Pat asked for another Supreme Court nominee and for something bad to happen to NOLA. Makes you wonder. If Chavez did get killed there'd be a lot of angry people. I just wonder why more moderates don't decry these insane fundamentalists (now where have I heard that before?).

This just proves the theory that most of these people are just using religion to justify being asshats.

[Thomas Veil]

Apparently Bush isn't the only one going on the offensive:

O'Reilly to "smear sites": "Enough's enough"

During the "Talking Points Memo" segment of the November 15 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly renewed his attack on the city of San Francisco, polling viewers on whether the city's "anti-military stance" warrants a travel boycott. He also threatened "far-left smear websites" and "Internet guttersnipes" with further exposure and retaliation. Earlier in the day, on his nationally syndicated radio show, O'Reilly said his new offensive was for the benefit of his affiliated radio stations and "our sponsorship."

Last week, O'Reilly commented on an initiative passed by San Francisco voters that discouraged military recruitment in the city's schools. From the November 8 broadcast of Fox News' The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: Hey, you know, if you want to ban military recruiting, fine, but I'm not going to give you another nickel of federal money. You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium, and I say, "Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds. Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead."

And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.

Media Matters first reported O'Reilly's remark on this website, providing both a written transcript and an audio clip from The Radio Factor. The remarks made news here, here, and here.

A resolution is currently pending with the San Francisco Board of Supervisors urging Fox News to fire O'Reilly over the remarks. Supervisor Chris Daly, who introduced the resolution, has also called on Westwood One, which distributes The Radio Factor, to fire O'Reilly.

Commenting on the controversy on November 11, O'Reilly at first defended the remark: "What I said isn't controversial. What I said needed to be said." But during his November 14 TV show, O'Reilly backpedaled, claiming the remark was merely a "satirical riff." Viewers were unable to assess O'Reilly's new characterization, because, in presenting the subject, he omitted the part of his remarks that had sparked the controversy in the first place.

On his November 15 radio show, O'Reilly claimed that the controversy over the remarks was "good"; that the "smear sites" are "now on the defensive"; and that "I wanted to show our affiliated stations, all 400 of them, I wanted to show our sponsorship, all the people who buy time on The Radio Factor, I want to show everybody exactly where this was coming from, who these people are on the far-left smear sites."

O'Reilly then attacked the unnamed "far-left smear sites" that had reported his remarks, saying, "And they are anti-American people. They hate this country. They do."

On his November 15 TV show, O'Reilly turned his ire on "sympathizers in the mainstream media, who then publish the Internet defamation often without hearing the original remarks, which are at issue." Although Media Matters has documented its O'Reilly research with both written transcripts and audio and video clips, O'Reilly said: "Remember, there's a huge difference between a written transcript and actually hearing what was said."

Claiming on his radio show that "most people don't go to these sites. They don't read this crap," O'Reilly continued: "And you need to know they're out there because what they do is they have minions in the elite media that they feed stuff to and the minions run with it. And here's what I'm going to do, ladies and gentlemen, every minion that does that, every one is going to be exposed on The Radio Factor, the television Factor, and on our website, BillOReilly.com. Every one who carries their water. I'm going to put their face up there, their name up there and tell you exactly what they're doing. So you know who in your town who's doing it. Enough's enough."This is getting to be a regular habit with O'Reilly. He says something outrageous, then denies saying it, even when the evidence is right there for the world to see. Who exactly does he think he's fooling?

I'm really starting to think he's almost as mentally ill as Ann Coulter. He's obviously a very angry man with pretty much no conscience. Oh, and delusions of grandeur, for if he thinks he's going to lead a travel boycott (LOL!) of San Francisco, not to mention "exposing" everyone who called him out on this, he is loony.

Personally, I hope he does get fired. But that's just one "anti-American person"'s opinion.

Liberal, unfair, unbalanced link ;) (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511160016)

[IJ Reilly]

Apparently Bush isn't the only one going on the offensive:

But O'Reilly is always offensive.

[Dont Hurt Me]

O'Rielly also is another loudmouth who has never served his country. Seems the ones who didnt ever put on the uniform are the ones shouting the loudest for war. Like Shawn Hannity same old crap ,or the 5 deferrals Dick Cheney.:rolleyes: Its easy if someone else is getting killed for your lame ideas.

[mactastic]

Personally, I hope he does get fired. But that's just one "anti-American person"'s opinion.
And that's The Word.

[Roger1]

Home School Movement Needs Metal Detectors, Says Pat Robertson

Link http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2005/11/17220.shtml

[Thomas Veil]

And that's The Word.mactastic...you're on notice! :p

[xsedrinam]

Home School Movement Needs Metal Detectors, Says Pat Robertson

Link http://www.phillyimc.org/en/2005/11/17220.shtml
Biff Scuzzy, eh? Wasn't there an old adage, "the family that x-rays together, frays together"?

[kainjow]

Apparently Bush isn't the only one going on the offensive:

This is getting to be a regular habit with O'Reilly. He says something outrageous, then denies saying it, even when the evidence is right there for the world to see. Who exactly does he think he's fooling?

I'm really starting to think he's almost as mentally ill as Ann Coulter. He's obviously a very angry man with pretty much no conscience. Oh, and delusions of grandeur, for if he thinks he's going to lead a travel boycott (LOL!) of San Francisco, not to mention "exposing" everyone who called him out on this, he is loony.

Personally, I hope he does get fired. But that's just one "anti-American person"'s opinion.

Liberal, unfair, unbalanced link ;) (http://mediamatters.org/items/200511160016)
I love it how people claim to believe in "free speech" yet when someone, especially a "celebrity" on TV says things against their beliefs, they want him fired. Fox News is the only station that doesn't give in to the mass liberal media like every thing else. And all the liberals can't stand it. I love it :)

O'Rielly also is another loudmouth who has never served his country. Seems the ones who didnt ever put on the uniform are the ones shouting the loudest for war. Like Shawn Hannity same old crap ,or the 5 deferrals Dick Cheney. Its easy if someone else is getting killed for your lame ideas.
Oh, so now you have to serve in the military to have an opinion about the country you live in? I guess we should all go serve in Iraq before we can make decisions about our country for ourselves... :rolleyes:

I just love how one non-Democrat (he claims to be Independent) makes so many people irritated. That's why I love Bill O'Reilly. He doesn't take bull from anyone :D

[skunk]

Oh, so now you have to serve in the military to have an opinion about the country you live in? I guess we should all go serve in Iraq before we can make decisions about our country for ourselves... :rolleyes: Your reading skills are letting you down: nobody claimed you had to serve in the military to have an opinion, just pointing out that it's those who avoided fighting themselves who seem keenest to take their country to war.

I just love how one non-Democrat (he claims to be Independent) makes so many people irritated. That's why I love Bill O'Reilly. He doesn't take bull from anyone :DToo busy dishing it out, I guess.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I just love how one non-Democrat (he claims to be Independent) makes so many people irritated. That's why I love Bill O'Reilly. He doesn't take bull from anyone :D[/QUOTE]
Bill is on Fox with his own show that means he is as indepedent as Dick Cheney:rolleyes: some of the republicans last night were almost happy that these guys are getting killed for the U.S. in Iraq at least thats how it sounded to me, as if we are depriving them of something if we withdrew.? It was tasteless that they spun the Murtha bill which wasnt a immediate withdrawel into take all troops out in one day:rolleyes: A joke and the republicans made it. Afterall this was the Bill they made that got rejected.

[pseudobrit]

I love it how people claim to believe in "free speech" yet when someone, especially a "celebrity" on TV says things against their beliefs, they want him fired. Fox News is the only station that doesn't give in to the mass liberal media like every thing else. And all the liberals can't stand it. I love it :)

FOX News and the hate radio crew are usually too busy bleating on about how the Hollywood elite "celebrities" should shut their mouths.

[Roger1]

Biff Scuzzy, eh? Wasn't there an old adage, "the family that x-rays together, frays together"?

I have a buddy who homes schools his kids. I should tell him about this. :p

[Thomas Veil]

I don't want to see O'Reilly fired for his opinion. I want to see him fired for his standards of professional behavior, which appear to be extremely low.

That may seem to be a fine distinction, but when you're on TV in a supposedly responsible position, you can't just say every asinine thing that comes into your head, as O'Reilly does.

And I don't even bother to reply to that "liberal media" crap anymore. We've been up and down that argument in this forum many times, and no one's ever been able to show that it's more than neocon propaganda.

[solvs]

I love it how people claim to believe in "free speech"
Free speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a crowded theater. You have rights, but you also have responsibilities. The press is free to it's rights as well, but lying is not one of them. Something that O'Reily does on a regular occasion. He is a liar, and a hypocrite, and a registered Republican (despite what he says). If you want to listen to a conservative journalist, Joe Scarborough (who used to be a Republican politician BTW) is pretty respectable.

Just because you may agree with their views, doesn't mean it should be ok for them to be as reprehensible and irresponsible as O'Reily and Robertson are.

( oh, and the First Amendment only protects against Government censorship ;) )

[Roger1]

Free speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a crowded theater. You have rights, but you also have responsibilities. The press is free to it's rights as well, but lying is not one of them.

Not sure how good this site is, but you might want to read this article. Take it with a grain of salt, so to speak, because I haven't found any other sources for their info.

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/11.html

[solvs]

Not sure how good this site is, but you might want to read this article. Take it with a grain of salt, so to speak, because I haven't found any other sources for their info.
Technically true, but then you are open to being liable. The offended party can sue and file charges, especially if it's willful and even more so if it causes damages. Usually it's too expensive for most people, but I'm surprised Fox doesn't get sued as much as the National Enquirer. Maybe people don't think they can win, but I'd sue just to bring up the question if they did that to me.

If it's bad enough, the government can fine you, but that almost never happens unless you curse or show a nipple.