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zimv20
Nov 14, 2005, 04:02 AM
link (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.html)


Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights

US law proposal attacked by campaigners

Human rights campaigners are calling it the 'November surprise' - a last-minute amendment smuggled into a Pentagon finance bill in the US Senate last Thursday.

Its effects are likely to be devastating: the permanent removal of almost all legal rights from 'war on terror' detainees at Guantanamo Bay and every other similar US facility on foreign or American soil.

'What the British law lord Lord Steyn once called a legal black hole had begun to be filled in,' said the British lawyer Clive Stafford Smith, speaking from Guantanamo, where he represents more than 40 detainees. 'It looks as if it is back, and deeper than before.'

If the amendment passes the House of Representatives unmodified, one of its immediate effects is that Stafford Smith and all the other lawyers who act for Guantanamo prisoners will again be denied access, as they were for more than two years after Camp X-Ray opened in 2002.

The amendment was tabled by Lindsay Graham, a South Carolina Republican, and passed by 49 votes to 42. It reverses the Supreme Court's decision in June last year which affirmed the right of detainees to bring habeas corpus petitions in American federal courts.

As a result, about 200 of Guantanamo's 500 prisoners have filed such cases, many of them arguing that they are not terrorists, as the US authorities claim, and that the evidence against them is unreliable.

None of them were given any kind of hearing when they were consigned to Guantanamo. Instead, the Americans unilaterally declared they were unlawful 'enemy combatants', mostly on the basis of assessments by junior military intelligence personnel, who were often reliant on interpreters whose skills internal Pentagon reports have criticised.

The Supreme Court's 2004 ruling also meant that the handful of prisoners facing trial at Guantanamo by military commissions, which do not follow the normal rules of evidence and due process, have been able to file federal challenges to their legality.

Last Monday, the Supreme Court announced it would review the commission rules by agreeing to take the case of Salim Hamdan, a Yemeni detainee and allegedly once Osama bin Laden's driver. The Graham amendment, if passed, will stop this case, and the commissions will operate without further scrutiny.

Michael Ratner, the director of New York's Centre for Constitutional Rights which brought the 2004 case, said the amendment 'will create a thousand points of darkness across the globe where the United States will be free to hold people indefinitely without a hearing, beyond the reach of US law and the checks and balances in our constitution.'

A senior Pentagon lawyer who asked not to be named said that the Graham amendment will have another consequence. The same Pentagon bill also contains a clause, sponsored by Graham and the Arizona Republican John McCain, to outlaw torture at US detention camps - a move up to now fiercely resisted by the White House. 'If detainees can't talk to lawyers or file cases, how will anyone ever find out if they have been abused,' the lawyer said.

Most of the evidence of abuse at Guantanamo has emerged from lawyers' discussions with their clients.

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every time i think i can't be more ashamed...



skunk
Nov 14, 2005, 04:29 AM
This is what millions died for in WW2? Someone really should have told them.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 14, 2005, 06:34 AM
Here comes the Police state. just slap a label on someone and presto no rights at all. America or Nazi Germany? Looks more like the Nazi's to me. Freedom ,Liberty and JUSTICE FOR ALL! Bush & Gang dont get it. America will have to spell this out to them in the next election. Torture,Secret camps & lies this is the America Bush/Cheney want. The American Police State. Sorry not in my America you NeoCons.

mactastic
Nov 14, 2005, 09:55 AM
Apparently Jeff Bingham has introduced an amendment to the Graham bill that would strip the stripping of habeus corpus from the bill.

I wonder if it will be voted on at all; and if it is voted on I wonder who will come down on the right side of history.

Of course all we hear is that the Democrats have no plan of their own... :rolleyes:

Uma888
Nov 14, 2005, 10:06 AM
me thinks this will be like Auschwitz all over

Thanatoast
Nov 14, 2005, 03:39 PM
so we already know of nine senators who are pro-torture.

and now we know 49 who are anti-habeus corpus.

who are these people and why are they in charge? why would i consent to be lead by jackasses who say, "we can arrest you, not tell you why, not give you a hearing, and torture you until you say what we want to hear."

is no one in washington paying goddamn attention!?

Stella
Nov 14, 2005, 04:51 PM
link (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.html)


every time i think i can't be more ashamed...

Absolutely shameful.

They should be Tried. Not all of these inmates were found on a battlefield - something which people forget. They may have very good reasons to be where they were / their circumstances.

If they are found guilty then they get what is coming to them, NOT before.

Thomas Veil
Nov 15, 2005, 12:22 AM
Umm, Republicans...do you think the Founding Fathers -- whom you're so fond of speaking for -- would approve of this???

I vote we change the name from Guantanamo to something more reflective of what it really is. How about "Bush's Gulag"?

solvs
Nov 15, 2005, 01:59 AM
They had rights? How are they going to make it worse? You know what... I don't want to know.

AP_piano295
Nov 16, 2005, 11:14 PM
funny how the rightys never show up on this type of thread to endorse the American right to torture prisoners of war. Maybe its because they cant blame this on Clinton.

AP_piano295
Nov 16, 2005, 11:16 PM
Umm, Republicans...do you think the Founding Fathers -- whom you're so fond of speaking for -- would approve of this???

I vote we change the name from Guantanamo to something more reflective of what it really is. How about "Bush's Gulag"?

as mentioned before Aushwitz or Bergan Belson might be good names