www.jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com

[SiliconAddict]

Didn't find anything when I searched jesuswouldbeashamedofyou so sorry if this is a repost. I thought this was an interesting site. I think they are spot on with their commentary of how some people are acting.

http://www.jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com

Thoughts? Without flamage hopefully.

[leekohler]

That's a really cool site. Thanks for posting it. It gives a bit of hope for the world.

[OutThere]

It's good to see someone with a new point of view, someone coming from the religious side, but saying that all the insanity over minute details is in vain, which it truly is.

[Lyle]

Thoughts? Without flamage hopefully.I agree that the actions of the people pictured on this site are shameful, although the attempt to link Christians to the KKK is disappointing.

[JesseJames]

Wow, a rational religious person. Few and far between.

[feakbeak]

I agree that the actions of the people pictured on this site are shameful, although the attempt to link Christians to the KKK is disappointing.The vast majority of KKK members claim to be Christian - so the KKK is making the link themselves as well. I wouldn't worry about the details, any rational human being knows that the KKK doesn't accurately represent the true teachings of Jesus.

This is a good site. I wish most/all Christians were this rational. I believe they are the quiet majority - they need to get louder and tell their extremist members to shut up because they are making Christianity look bad.

[iSaint]

Read this sermon (http://www.allsaints-pas.org/archives/sermons/ser.19990523a.html) by Desmond Tutu. His theology is admittedly simple, and repetitive - God is love, and loves us all! There is hope in the world!

[applebum]

Wow, a rational religious person. Few and far between.

Actually, no, there are plenty of us and we are everywhere. This site could have been written by me. I feel pretty much the same way. Anyone who comes into contact with me would know this. But, like the site says, I am not out protesting or putting on displays. I am going to work, spending time with my family, enjoying life, and caring for people the best I can.

Unfortunately, these "vocal" christians do more to hurt Christianity than anything else out there. I do believe that Jesus would be ashamed of all Christians that feel a need to judge others instead of love others.

[mpw]

I love the guy in the black t-short about half way down who looks like he's joined a group of demonstrators with a "we are idiots" placard.:D

[IJ Reilly]

A few items to place in the FWIW File:

1. Liberal Christianity is by no means dead in this country. I know plenty of them; as a group they just aren't nearly as politically active and visible as the conservatives. That's unfortunate.

2. The creator of this site apparently doesn't know that the "Westboro Baptist Church" is a satire.

3. The Klan was created for and by White Protestants. No one else need apply.

[wrxguy]

that is a good site, im not religous what so ever and all this "Fag's go to Hell" and other stuff is so ridiculous, not to stereotype but these gnarly christians that go around doing this stuff make me sick, too much time on your hands, why can't everyone just love each other??? gay, strait, white, black, were are all humans arn't we?

[SiliconAddict]

I agree that the actions of the people pictured on this site are shameful, although the attempt to link Christians to the KKK is disappointing.

Yah I agree. Some of the pictures are iffy. But you have to admit there is at least a portion of the KKK that is cross-enrolled in religious extremists. I think the point is Jesus would be disappointed in that person, to say the least.

[Stella]

That is a very good website, for all the wrong reasons.

It is really sad when people start using religion for hate and to justify themselves. Many occassions they turn into what the bible preachers against.

They can't see the wood for the trees. Take a step back.

[Roger1]

I love the guy in the black t-short about half way down who looks like he's joined a group of demonstrators with a "we are idiots" placard.:D

LOL, that's great! :)

[belvdr]

Unfortunately, most of those pictures, and many others, give people the idea that each and every person who alleges to be a Christian hates others for things they do. Some of them might, but not all Christians are like that. I can see what they are trying to do, however I think the way they are doing it only generates hatred, and doesn't let people see what the love of God did for us through Jesus Christ.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, I don't agree totally with what the owner of that website says either. I think the website and those pictures are on both ends of the spectrum and the truth is in the middle.

[Roger1]

Unfortunately, most of those pictures, and many others, give people the idea that each and every person who alleges to be a Christian hates others for things they do. Some of them might, but not all Christians are like that. I can see what they are trying to do, however I think the way they are doing it only generates hatred, and doesn't let people see what the love of God did for us through Jesus Christ.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, I don't agree totally with what the owner of that website says either. I think the website and those pictures are on both ends of the spectrum and the truth is in the middle.

kind of reminds me of the mote in your eye, but the log in my own.


:D

[rockthecasbah]

HAHAHA FINALLY A SITE TO EXPLOIT THE SECRET PLANS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH;)

I am joking of course, most christians are very nice people.:)

[Lacero]

We are idiots -- classic. :D

http://www.jesuswouldbeashamedofyou.com/images/SchiavoProtestHumor[1].jpg

[rockthecasbah]

i want this shirt...just because its so bitchin'

[crdean1]

Unfortunately, the church is what gives the church a bad name. Although I posted this in another forum, I identify with what this guy said:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/150/story_15052_1.html

[cooknwitha]

I agree that the actions of the people pictured on this site are shameful, although the attempt to link Christians to the KKK is disappointing.

I actually use the connection quite a lot in arguements. The KKK is to Christianity what the current extremeists are to Islam. There are fanatical loons in all religions but they are the minority. Sadly too many people don't see it that way. To them I say read and book and learn about the religion you criticise. Don't believe the media.

I'm an atheist through and through but if religion helps some people get through the day then that's thier choice. Provided they don't go to the extreme.

[crdean1]

I actually use the connection quite a lot in arguements. The KKK is to Christianity what the current extremeists are to Islam. There are fanatical loons in all religions but they are the minority. Sadly most people don't see it that way. To them I say read and book and learn about the religion you criticise. Don't believe the media.

I'm an atheist through and through but if religion helps some people get through the day then that's thier choice. Provided they don't go to the extreme.

I would say Jesus was pretty extreme, although not judgemental. That's part of what makes him different (and great), he is full of love, not hate.

[zimv20]

We are idiots -- classic. :D

the girl in front of him is pretty good, too.

[Sogo]

I would say Jesus was pretty extreme, although not judgemental. That's part of what makes him different (and great), he is full of love, not hate.

I bolded it becuase it disapoints me that those who follow god, seem to have so much hate. Not all, I mean namly those who are like those depicted in the pictures. Iv spoken to a few christians and when we get to abortion or homosexuality they get all angry. Im like, don't you read a book that is supposidly teaching you love?

I do not dispise christians, i dispise the christian leaders who use god to move their own agendas. Its the leaders who are the real issue, because so many look up at them and believe them. And once its connected to their faith, people defend it to their death. The crusades anyone?

[joepunk]

We are idiots -- classic. :D[/IMG]Why yes that is such a classic :D I wonder if he made a conscious decision to wear that Ramones shirt or if he just happened to put it on.

What makes me sad when seeing the fracking adults take their little kids with them and have them hold signs when the kids probably have absolutely no idea what is going on :(

[solvs]

I agree that the actions of the people pictured on this site are shameful, although the attempt to link Christians to the KKK is disappointing.
Um... I think you're missing the point. These are the people making Christianity look bad. As in, it's not really that bad and Jesus would be mad at them for perverting it.

Wow, a rational religious person. Few and far between.
We're not all bad. ;) It's the zealots that ruin it for the rest of us (like with Mac users). They're the ones who vote and get on TV. I always find myself saying, "but I'm not one of those".

What makes me sad when seeing the fracking adults take their little kids with them and have them hold signs when the kids probably have absolutely no idea what is going on :(
That's how they get them. It's like brainwashing. It's a vicious cycle.

[cooknwitha]

I bolded it becuase it disapoints me that those who follow god, seem to have so much hate..... i dispise the christian leaders who use god to move their own agendas.

I agree completely. One event that I recently read about was in relation to a fundraising night of Jerry Springer - The Opera where the cast where donating their wages for a night to cancer charity. The lunatic group Christian Voice threatened to protest at the charity's offices if they accepted the money. In the end, the charity declined the £3000 donation. Isn't that disgusting?! I know the opera isn't to everyone's taste but how is denying money to a cancer charity doing to work of God?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4289915.stm

[cooknwitha]

I agree completely. One event that I recently read about was in relation to a fundraising night of Jerry Springer - The Opera where the cast where donating their wages for a night to cancer charity. The lunatic group Christian Voice threatened to protest at the charity's offices if they accepted the money. In the end, the charity declined the £3000 donation. Isn't that disgusting?! I know the opera isn't to everyone's taste but how is denying money to a cancer charity doing to work of God?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4289915.stm

Christian Voice's STEPHEN GREEN explains, "We did have a chat with Maggie's. But the decision to pull out was theirs alone.

"All I did was explain that if they carried on they would cause offence to Christians, who are known for being generous."

Nice!

EDIT I thought I hit edit. I didn't mean to post another reply. Sorry!!!

[Kobushi]

the girl in front of him is pretty good, too.

Yeah, kinda makes you wonder what happened shortly after that picture was taken. aka after that girl figured out what was going on and that guy finds himself in the middle of a mob.


I do not dispise christians, i dispise the christian leaders who use god to move their own agendas. Its the leaders who are the real issue, because so many look up at them and believe them. And once its connected to their faith, people defend it to their death. The crusades anyone?


Isn't that true of pretty much everything? How many of our leaders actually represent the thoughts of the people they're supposed to be leading. *cough* Bush *cough* I'm sure you've seen the T-shirts and bumber stickers reading "Not MY president" We haven't had a great leader in a long time.

[Roger1]

We're not all bad. ;) It's the zealots that ruin it for the rest of us (like with Mac users). They're the ones who vote and get on TV. I always find myself saying, "but I'm not one of those".


I find myself saying the same thing, or worse yet, thinking, "Is this what Christianity is about?". I shake my head wonder what the televangelists are thinking when they start flapping their jaws.
I begin to wonder if we need to be looking out for false prophets?

[mactastic]

That's how they get them. It's like brainwashing. It's a vicious cycle.Kinda like church? ;)

[stoid]

Unfortunately, so many 'Christians' take the call to be messengers and become bleach to clense the world, instead of becoming water and just being helpful and loving. Lead by example, not by words. I think that if you are serious about being a Christian, you should be kind to someone who has had a bad day, or share God's love with those around you on a personal level. That is how you can truly make a difference.

[crdean1]

One of the leaders of my faith that I do look up to is Billy Graham. He doesn't have an agenda other than reaching people for Christ, and he mostly stays out of politics except when he is called on to lead a service, sermon or prayer. Although I'm sure he has faults too, I have never heard of him judging any particular group of people.

In my opinion, he is what a Christian leader should be, he advances progress in Christianity and does so in a way that is loving and non-judgemental, which is what Jesus did, and what Paul did to spread the name of Jesus. (i.e. Sermon on the Mount, Pauls Missionary Journeys)

[IJ Reilly]

Billy Graham is one of the last of the old-style evangelists. The generation that came up behind him were more in the Pat Robertson mold, weaned as much on TV and politics as the Bible. Not all of the evangelists of Graham's generation were like Graham, though. How well I remember Garner Ted Armstrong. If you asked Robertson whether he admired Graham or Armstrong more, I suspect he'd name Armstrong as his role model.

[belvdr]

One of the leaders of my faith that I do look up to is Billy Graham. He doesn't have an agenda other than reaching people for Christ, and he mostly stays out of politics except when he is called on to lead a service, sermon or prayer. Although I'm sure he has faults too, I have never heard of him judging any particular group of people.

In my opinion, he is what a Christian leader should be, he advances progress in Christianity and does so in a way that is loving and non-judgemental, which is what Jesus did, and what Paul did to spread the name of Jesus. (i.e. Sermon on the Mount, Pauls Missionary Journeys)

I agree. Amazingly, it seems many Christians cannot understand that you won't win anyone to Christ by wielding a big stick and verbally abusing them.

[crdean1]

Billy Graham is one of the last of the old-style evangelists. The generation that came up behind him were more in the Pat Robertson mold, weaned as much on TV and politics as the Bible. Not all of the evangelists of Graham's generation were like Graham, though. How well I remember Garner Ted Armstrong. If you asked Robertson whether he admired Graham or Armstrong more, I suspect he'd name Armstrong as his role model.

I would like to think that there are several old-style evangelists left, but they are just not as well known. (Although I know what you mean)

Fortunately, the ones who "do it right" are the ones we don't know, because they are not seeking dishonest gain. They are simply doing what is required of them. Fame happened to Billy Graham as a result of his integretous faith, whereas there are many (a small few with a big agenda in my opinion), who seek fame instead of faith, and try to use faith as a way to get there.

It is unfortunate that the select few that have such big mouths are what many use as their "measuring stick" for Christianity.

[xsedrinam]

I would like to think that there are several old-style evangelists left, but they are just not as well known. (Although I know what you mean)

Fortunately, the ones who "do it right" are the ones we don't know, because they are not seeking dishonest gain. They are simply doing what is required of them. Fame happened to Billy Graham as a result of his integretous faith, whereas there are many (a small few with a big agenda in my opinion), who seek fame instead of faith, and try to use faith as a way to get there.

It is unfortunate that the select few that have such big mouths are what many use as their "measuring stick" for Christianity.
Graham made a wise, principled decision at the early stages of his ministry, committing himself to a small, accountability group which dealt one on one with issues of moral character and integrity. Many a minster and other "up front" personalities in a variety of professions who have fallen, in to the "hidden sink hole" of moral failure, would probably admit to thinking they were exceptions to the humility and reality of accountability small groups which tend to keep public figures in check with a consistent dose of humility. Some of the "seeds of greatness" in a Billy Graham were intentionally sown and given chance to flourish. http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/bio.html

[solvs]

I begin to wonder if we need to be looking out for false prophets?
Look around, they're already here.

Kinda like church? ;)
That's why I don't go to church anymore. I'd rather do something positive with my life than listen to how evil I am and how I'm going to Inferno (probably will be kicking it in Purgatory, that's where the fun will be). I keep hearing how great someone thinks their church is, but when I go, it's more of the same. If I ever find a good one, I won't want to stop going.

I should just start my own. I did accidentally become a Reverend. Long story.

[belvdr]

Look around, they're already here.

That's why I don't go to church anymore. I'd rather do something positive with my life than listen to how evil I am and how I'm going to Inferno (probably will be kicking it in Purgatory, that's where the fun will be). I keep hearing how great someone thinks their church is, but when I go, it's more of the same. If I ever find a good one, I won't want to stop going.

I should just start my own. I did accidentally become a Reverend. Long story.

Maybe I missed something, but church, at least in the Christian sense, isn't supposed to praise humans. The point of church is to teach how we are sinners, and Jesus Christ offers us salvation through his death on the cross.

[leekohler]

Maybe I missed something, but church, at least in the Christian sense, isn't supposed to praise humans. The point of church is to teach how we are sinners, and Jesus Christ offers us salvation through his death on the cross.

You are correct, at least in my experience. That's the biggest reason I left. It's unbelievably negative.

[solvs]

The point of church is to teach how we are sinners, and Jesus Christ offers us salvation through his death on the cross.
One school of thought is to condemn and force guilt. The other is more positive, teaching to love and live as a good person for the sake of being good. The golden rule and all. I guess I fall into category 2. I don't see the point of the first one. All it seems to do is make things worse.

If people actually lived like Jesus and tried to spread his true words, this wouldn't be a problem.

[belvdr]

I guess I can see in one light where one would think church is negative. I mean you do have to admit you are a sinner.

In the positive light, though, is the ability to get to heaven. Personally, I feel the positives outweigh the negatives.

[swindmill]

The site is interesting and maybe appealing to Christians who are angered at these morons who abide by the same faith. However, trying to persuade people who worhsip a guy that very little if anything is truly known about, that your interpretation of him is correct and that theirs is wrong is an exercise in futility. A few people who were likely several times removed from the subject, wrote stories about this one guy who lived 2000 years ago, and people are basing their entire worldview on it. We must expect crap like this to result. The answer isn't to question people's interpretation of these books, its to question the books themselves. I don't mean to be on the attack, and I hope this isn't percieved that way, but this is an issue that seriously concerns me. Perhaps if we all just acknowledged that no one knows "why", we could all just work together to enjoy this experience, and not worry about which religious faction knows what "the creator" wants of us. I except the fact that we are limited to natural observation, and I can't help but wonder what things could be like if everyone was willing to except that. I would like to see the big questions answered as much as the next person, but I'm not willing to be irrational in order to convince myself that I aleady know. As long as strong religious convictions are held, SOME people will continue to use them in order to support radical and often hateful ideas, and trying to convince them they are wrong in their interpretation is no more futile than them trying to convince the author of that site that he/she is wrong. Why? Because it's all based on something we know nothing about.

[xsedrinam]

...If people actually lived like Jesus and tried to spread his true words, this wouldn't be a problem.
Solvs, I'll drink to that. :)

[Sogo]

If people actually lived like Jesus and tried to spread his true words, this wouldn't be a problem.

Wow, I have asked this to several "Religious" people and all i get is "We cannot be perfect like him" or "I already am." Or I will get the question thrown back at me; "and you are? please! Dont lecture me when you dont even go to church or study the bible."

Which are both true, to some extent. I went to church for most of my life, but I noticed these little flaws and choose not to go back. Oh well...

[belvdr]

Wow, I have asked this to several "Religious" people and all i get is "We cannot be perfect like him" or "I already am." Or I will get the question thrown back at me; "and you are? please! Dont lecture me when you dont even go to church or study the bible."

Which are both true, to some extent. I went to church for most of my life, but I noticed these little flaws and choose not to go back. Oh well...

Well, it's true that we cannot live like Him, because He is perfect in every sense. However, to the point of His true words, He did tell people to repent of their sin. I guess the big stumbling block of people admitting they are sinners is a tough pill to swallow. And that's why you can't verbally abuse someone and expect them to believe what you are saying, whether it has to do with religion or not.

As a sidenote, I read an interesting quote from someone the other day:

"There is a difference in religion and spirituality. Religion is a man sitting in church thinking about fishing. Spirituality is a man fishing thinking about God."

[xsedrinam]

As a sidenote, I read an interesting quote from someone the other day:
"There is a difference in religion and spirituality. Religion is a man sitting in church thinking about fishing. Spirituality is a man fishing thinking about God."
Then would Christianity be about Jesus, sitting in a boat fishing, thinking about......?

[belvdr]

Then would Christianity be about Jesus, sitting in a boat fishing, thinking about......?

Not Jesus in the boat.. :) Pick someone besides Jesus.

[xsedrinam]

Not Jesus in the boat.. :) Pick someone besides Jesus.
Oops. Sorry :D
I thought that was the logical sequence. I wasn't trying to rock the boat. :)

[pseudobrit]

Not Jesus in the boat.. :) Pick someone besides Jesus.

Yeah, He would just sit on the water and fish. No boat required.

[freeny]

the girl in front of him is pretty good, too.
caught her right in the middle of her double take :D

[skunk]

Yeah, He would just sit on the water and fish.Why would he sit on the fish?

[XNine]

great thread. Nice to see soemthing in this forum that didn't succumb to flamewars and debates. Although there may be soem disagreements, everyone is civil. Great, great thread.

Thank you for sharing.

My opinion? I loved the site. I'm anti-organizxed religion anyway. have no problem with faith.

[pseudobrit]

Why would he sit on the fish?

It's better than the having the fish sit on you.

[skunk]

It's better than the having the fish sit on you.Jonah would probably agree with you there. But only because he didn't know his fish from his mammals.

[xsedrinam]

Jonah would probably agree with you there. But only because he didn't know his fish from his mammals.
A grave omission of carpe deim which resulted in his weeping and whaling.