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MacRumors
Aug 2, 2013, 10:06 AM
http://images.macrumors.com/im/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/02/alleged-iphone-5s-parts-surface-once-again-still-no-sign-of-fingerprint-scanner/)


Techkiddy reposts (http://techkiddy.blogspot.com/2013/08/iphone-5s-spare-parts-revealedno.html) (via phoneArena.com (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Spare-parts-for-Apple-iPhone-5S-leak-out-no-fingerprint-scanner-revealed_id45996)) some photos originally shared by Sonny Dickson (http://www.sonnydickson.com) showing alleged parts for Apple's upcoming iPhone 5S. While most of the parts have been seen several times (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/16/new-high-resolution-photos-of-iphone-5s-parts-reveal-little/) in the past, the new fairly high-quality photos provide a continuing look at the parts, which include the nano-SIM tray and speaker button, as well as flex cables for the home button, charger connector, WiFi component, and speaker.
http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/08/iphone_5s_homebutton_flex.jpgHome button flex cable
Perhaps most notably, the home button flex cable continues to show no signs of a fingerprint scanner. Evidence (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/29/ios-7-beta-4-code-points-to-home-button-fingerprint-sensor-for-iphone-5s/) surfacing in the iOS 7 Beta 4 code earlier this week showed references to a tutorial instructing iPhone users how to use a fingerprint scanner, apparently located on the device's home button.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/08/iphone_5s_frontcamera_flex.jpgFront camera flex cableThe parts that we are happy to pass along to you are said to include the Apple iPhone 5S card holder, the charger connector flex for the device, the front camera flex, the Home button flex, speaker button, vibrator flex, Wi-Fi flex, On-Off flex cable and the Speaker flex.One complication with part leaks this year is Apple's apparent plans to launch both an iPhone 5S and a new lower-cost plastic iPhone. Suppliers and other sources may in some cases be confusing which parts are from which device.

Earlier this year, French website Nowhereelse also posted (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/22/alleged-iphone-5s-home-button-vibrator-and-volumemute-flex-cable-parts-surface/) photos of alleged iPhone 5S parts, including the home button, vibrator, and volume/mute flex cables, with no apparent evidence of a fingerprint scanner. The iPhone 5S is expected to launch (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/16/iphone-5s-production-will-reportedly-begin-later-this-month/) sometime in the fall alongside the heavily rumored low-cost iPhone, potentially named (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/28/photo-of-plastic-packaging-with-iphone-5c-name-surfaces/) the iPhone 5C.

Article Link: Alleged iPhone 5S Parts Surface Once Again, Still No Sign of Fingerprint Scanner (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/02/alleged-iphone-5s-parts-surface-once-again-still-no-sign-of-fingerprint-scanner/)



soulreaver99
Aug 2, 2013, 10:08 AM
Finger print scanner is going to be for the iPhone 5FS. Might as well start gadget spamming like Samsung.

applefanDrew
Aug 2, 2013, 10:09 AM
Cool! Apple is announcing it the day after it is released!

No one will see it coming. :apple: :D

Bearxor
Aug 2, 2013, 10:11 AM
According to the latest word we have, Apple will introduce the Apple iPhone 5C and the Apple iPhone 5S on September 28th with a launch on the 27th of the same month.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

kylelerner
Aug 2, 2013, 10:12 AM
Perhaps there will be a fingerprint reader in the new iPad, not the next iPhone.

tann
Aug 2, 2013, 10:14 AM
So they will release it the day before it's announced???

And I'm very confused about this fingerprint sensor... We keep hearing it's coming this year, but we've seen zero physical evidence it's going to be there.

If it ends up not leaking parts beforehand and makes it into the 5S it will be very impressive, at least I think it will be.

Bathplug
Aug 2, 2013, 10:15 AM
You forgot to put smiley faces on them.

cmChimera
Aug 2, 2013, 10:27 AM
Fingerprint sensor in screen maybe? I hope so at least.

jfx94
Aug 2, 2013, 10:27 AM
I'll be surprised if a fingerprint sensor ends up in the 5S. Not so much because it's there, but because they did such a good job of not leaking parts or giving any real evidence of its existence.

DanTheAppleMan
Aug 2, 2013, 10:30 AM
Fingerprint sensor in screen maybe? I hope so at least.

Suddenly all those 'fingerprint scanning' apps might get a new lease of life!

aloshka
Aug 2, 2013, 10:31 AM
So announce on the 28th but will launch on the 27th the same month.

So launch a day before announced?

Kevsta26
Aug 2, 2013, 10:33 AM
I'm likely not getting a new iPhone until the 6 comes out so if there really is a fingerprint sensor I hope they have it in the iPad 5

theBB
Aug 2, 2013, 10:41 AM
So they will release it the day before it's announced???

Controlled leaks required too much effort, so they now give very gadget blog the opportunity to run with last minute leaks the day before the special event. :)

chrmjenkins
Aug 2, 2013, 10:42 AM
This doesn't make any sense to me.

364 day waiting period. HYPE!

marty11
Aug 2, 2013, 10:44 AM
The fingerprint scanner is on the lock screen and will take the place of the 4 digit passkey.

tomguy
Aug 2, 2013, 10:46 AM
This doesn't make any sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. Going against every traditional ways of launching a product, Apple will silently display and sell the iPhone 5S in store without the customers knowing (since they both look the same). And then the day after, Apple will announce the 5S and indicating that all customers who bought it the day before has the 5S in their hands. Thus cutting down the long waits and drama of getting the iPhone 5S. Genius! :D

lars666
Aug 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
C'mon, Apple, give us the fingerprint sensor... They are all over my iDevice displays anyway!

SMIDG3T
Aug 2, 2013, 11:13 AM
Cool! Apple is announcing it the day after it is released!

No one will see it coming. :apple: :D

This. I read this and thought 'interesting'.

Poly
Aug 2, 2013, 11:22 AM
MacRumors author screwed something up!

This is a quote from which MacRumors is quoting:
"The device is expected to be released on September 18"

So what the heck does MacRumors mean with 28/27?!

Topher227
Aug 2, 2013, 11:32 AM
According to the latest word we have, Apple will introduce the Apple iPhone 5C and the Apple iPhone 5S on September 28th with a launch on the 27th of the same month.

MacRumors = 88mph.

mdelvecchio
Aug 2, 2013, 11:39 AM
The fingerprint scanner is on the lock screen and will take the place of the 4 digit passkey.

nothing will take the place of the passkey. if/when the scanner arrives it will be an option -- just as one can use a strong password instead of the PIN.

locoboi187
Aug 2, 2013, 11:52 AM
If you look at Apple's patent, they have one for fingerprint scanners around the sides of the iPhone. MacRumors posted this patent. I don't see why they are surprised there is no fingerprint scanner on the button.

Edit:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1599657&highlight=fingerprint

Branskins
Aug 2, 2013, 11:54 AM
Has anyone said if the iPad 5 will have the fingerprint scanner too?

iansilv
Aug 2, 2013, 12:04 PM
Is it possible the fingerprint scanner could be imbedded in the screen?

dampfnudel
Aug 2, 2013, 12:04 PM
Has anyone said if the iPad 5 will have the fingerprint scanner too?

It's possible that the fingerprint scanner wasn't ready in time for the iPhone 5S and iPad 5, so it will be the next year's models that get it. Either that or Apple just got lucky that no one in China took a pic of that specific part...yet.

Of course that makes you wonder what Apple will use to primarily distinguish the 5S from the 5 (colors???).

VanillaCracker
Aug 2, 2013, 12:15 PM
It's possible that the fingerprint scanner wasn't ready in time for the iPhone 5S and iPad 5, so it will be the next year's models that get it. Either that or Apple just got lucky that no one in China took a pic of that specific part...yet.

Of course that makes you wonder what Apple will use to primarily distinguish the 5S from the 5 (colors???).

Yeah I'm starting to wonder that myself...cus the 5 C is essentially getting all of the iPhone 5's internals. So besides the processor bump and camera bump...there's got to be something else. Form factor isn't changing. Maybe screen resolution??? I highly doubt IGZO has made it's way in there, but what else could they possibly add? iOS7 isn't even going to be exclusive

sik08amg
Aug 2, 2013, 12:30 PM
I think if we see a finger print sensor/scanner, it will be on the top button, not the home button. The shape makes sense. Both would be easier to replace if there was a hardware issue versus an in screen scanner.

SockRolid
Aug 2, 2013, 01:00 PM
... Apple will introduce the Apple iPhone 5C and the Apple iPhone 5S on September 28th with a launch on the 27th of the same month.

Kind of like "Groundhog Day"?

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I think if we see a finger print sensor/scanner, it will be on the top button, not the home button. The shape makes sense. Both would be easier to replace if there was a hardware issue versus an in screen scanner.

I think the best solution would be to have the fingerprint sensor embedded in the screen itself, not the home button. So when you do the (patented) swipe-to-unlock, the iPhone will read your fingerprint. And the sensor would be invisible, of course. Might be very hard to do from a technical standpoint.

Then again, it may also be very hard to put a fingerprint sensor in the home button. There's very little clearance because it's just above the Lightning port, and it's smaller than most adult thumbs and fingers so it wouldn't get a full picture of the thumbprint or fingerprint.

And guess what. Apple has been granted a patent for several biometric security techniques, including a fingerprint sensor embedded in the touchscreen:

When desired, the electronic device may expose the concealed components by causing the electronic window to change opacity, allowing the components to suddenly appear as from out of nowhere.

Full story at Patently Apple: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/10/apple-invents-biometric-features-for-e-commerce-security.html

dampfnudel
Aug 2, 2013, 01:06 PM
Yeah I'm starting to wonder that myself...cus the 5 C is essentially getting all of the iPhone 5's internals. So besides the processor bump and camera bump...there's got to be something else. Form factor isn't changing. Maybe screen resolution??? I highly doubt IGZO has made it's way in there, but what else could they possibly add? iOS7 isn't even going to be exclusive

Offering a larger screen size, like 4.8" in addition to the 4", would have been a good move, but it appears that may be another thing being held off until next year at the earliest. Well, it looks like even if there are supply constraints with the 5S, it may turn out to be one of the easiest iPhones to get your hands on right after launch, especially if enough people hungry for a different look gravitate toward the 5C.

TomWB
Aug 2, 2013, 01:09 PM
Is it just me, or does one of those parts have neon green tabs and the other neon blue?

Could these be iPhone 5C parts?

yegon
Aug 2, 2013, 01:13 PM
nothing will take the place of the passkey. if/when the scanner arrives it will be an option -- just as one can use a strong password instead of the PIN.

This.

Also, worth noting for those who weren't aware is that if you opt to use a longer password, if you restrict it to just numbers, it'll still throw up just the numeric keypad. Only learned this 9 months or so ago. I wanted a better than 4 digit passcode but didn't want to suffer the tiny portrait qwerty keyboard every time I unlock (after 15 minutes). Quite handy.

Most may be aware of this, but worth posting for those that weren't.

beastmode2449
Aug 2, 2013, 01:25 PM
Maybe the Camera is part camera part scanner. ;) But it would make more sense to place the scanner where the side button is (wakes phone from sleep).

So with the side button scanner it would make sense, then if a stranger picks up the phone and tries to wake it, then the password display will appear. ;)

verpeiler
Aug 2, 2013, 01:33 PM
Offering a larger screen size, like 4.8" in addition to the 4", would have been a good move, but it appears that may be another thing being held off until next year at the earliest.

Good move? Finally Apple would finally catch up to all other smartphones.. An iPhone with a 4,7" screen (and frontspeaker like the HTC one), THAT would be the real deal!

I just can't imagine how big the YAWN will be in fall, when the "all new 5S" with the same old 4" is gonna be released.

mikef137
Aug 2, 2013, 01:41 PM
Is it just me or does the front and back picture of the front camera flex cable not match. Is one of the pictures mirrored or are these two different parts?

yegon
Aug 2, 2013, 01:44 PM
I don't expect the earth year on year, but a faster 5 with a fingerprint sensor is about as exciting as....a faster 4 with Siri.

mikef137
Aug 2, 2013, 01:51 PM
Is it just me or does the front and back picture of the front camera flex cable not match. Is one of the pictures mirrored or are these two different parts?



Oops, as I look closer I see that the writing on one of the pictures is reversed.

CFreymarc
Aug 2, 2013, 02:32 PM
Finger print scanner is going to be for the iPhone 5FS. Might as well start gadget spamming like Samsung.

That or either the fingerprint scanner was pulled due to supply or yield issues.

My take is the fingerprint scanner has been working on the bench for over a year. However, they can't get it built in the volume Applle needs.

They make have a an ultra-high end with a fingerprint scanner for high security environments but I don't see it as mass market.

Also, the urban legend about people having their fingers cut off for unauthorized access of high security environments is not a legend.

ghettochris
Aug 2, 2013, 02:40 PM
I don't expect the earth year on year, but a faster 5 with a fingerprint sensor is about as exciting as....a faster 4 with Siri.

Twice as fast and better camera is enough for me. Its becoming a mature product, any new features are going to be minor or gimicky. I find siri awesome and faster for many things and that was a nice bonus to me, but faster and better camera is what makes me want to upgrade every year. Life is short, how could anyone be ok with wasting seconds of your life using an old model?

fingerprint sensor could be awesome, the end of passwords, even less seconds of my life wasted.

Please tell me, what could they add that you would find exciting? for me, the holy grail would be good biometrics, where it could know my blood levels and tell me what I need to eat, and early detection of cancer/other diseases.

dampfnudel
Aug 2, 2013, 02:54 PM
Twice as fast and better camera is enough for me. Its becoming a mature product, any new features are going to be minor or gimicky. I find siri awesome and faster for many things and that was a nice bonus to me, but faster and better camera is what makes me want to upgrade every year. Life is short, how could anyone be ok with wasting seconds of your life using an old model?

fingerprint sensor could be awesome, the end of passwords, even less seconds of my life wasted.

Please tell me, what could they add that you would find exciting? for me, the holy grail would be good biometrics, where it could know my blood levels and tell me what I need to eat, and early detection of cancer/other diseases.

Introducing iDoctor. Anyway, I hope the 5S offers more than a improved camera and CPU.

bushman4
Aug 2, 2013, 02:57 PM
Don't expect too much & U won't B disappointed! Other than apple buying Authentec ans Apple filing a patent we have not heard a word about this being in the next IPhone
LET/S hope that its in there for our sake and Apples!!

yegon
Aug 2, 2013, 03:27 PM
Twice as fast and better camera is enough for me. Its becoming a mature product, any new features are going to be minor or gimicky. I find siri awesome and faster for many things and that was a nice bonus to me, but faster and better camera is what makes me want to upgrade every year. Life is short, how could anyone be ok with wasting seconds of your life using an old model?

fingerprint sensor could be awesome, the end of passwords, even less seconds of my life wasted.

Please tell me, what could they add that you would find exciting? for me, the holy grail would be good biometrics, where it could know my blood levels and tell me what I need to eat, and early detection of cancer/other diseases.

I agree that it's a mature product, like I said, I don't expect the earth year on year. That said, I struggle to think how a 5S could be perceptibly faster than the current 5, enough that it'd make an actual difference to me. Camera, I understand - personally, the 5 camera is fine for what I use it for (quick pics) as I have a dslr for better q photos.

Really, I'd just like a bigger screen, maybe 4.5" to 4.8", then I'd bite.

I'm contract free unlocked btw, with ample funds for any upgrade that takes my fancy. It's just that, personally, it has be a whole lot more than what is likely a similar transition to the 4/4S.

UnfetteredMind
Aug 2, 2013, 04:08 PM
We haven't seen the home button itself yet so ... who knows. September is now only a month away :)

HolgerR
Aug 2, 2013, 04:21 PM
Those "wishes" for a bigger screen really make me sick. As an owner of iPhones from the 3GS upwards I think that the IP 5's screen is too big already. It just feels wrong even after all this time when I bought it at launch. People using those Samsungs look just as ridiculous as people taking photos with their iPads. I really hope Apple doesn't make that mistake.

verpeiler
Aug 2, 2013, 04:26 PM
Those "wishes" for a bigger screen really make me sick. As an owner of iPhones from the 3GS upwards I think that the IP 5's screen is too big already. It just feels wrong even after all this time when I bought it at launch. People using those Samsungs look just as ridiculous as people taking photos with their iPads. I really hope Apple doesn't make that mistake.

You're right, the 5's screen is wrong; because it's too 'long'. If you ever tried a 4,7" screen for several days, you don't wanna look back.

Maybe you're talking about people with Samsung Notes, yeah, that looks weird.. but 4,7-5" phones are absolutely okay.

yegon
Aug 2, 2013, 04:33 PM
People using those Samsungs look just as ridiculous as people taking photos with their iPads. I really hope Apple doesn't make that mistake.




Couldn't give a monkeys about what it "looks" like from a 3rd party point of view. If I can still do almost everything with one hand but get more text/video on a device that still slips easily into a pocket, it's a much more functional and useful device for me. When Im without my Kindle, I read books on my phone, and at the gym I watch video on it when I'm on the cross trainer or running. Bigger = better in this respect, and I've got normal sized hands.

Talking strictly about upto 4.8" devices here, not phones of Note/Galaxy Mega proportions. Missus has a HTC One and everything I can do one handed with my 5 I can do same on the One. Plus, the One has quite a big chassis and bezel relative to the 5, so an iPhone equivalent would be highly manageable.

Lfc29
Aug 2, 2013, 06:05 PM
Is the September 18th release date in the post? I did not see it.

Robster3
Aug 2, 2013, 06:12 PM
Who cares only kids lock their iPhones.

designgeek
Aug 2, 2013, 06:49 PM
Probably because it will be part of the iphone 6 if anything. The "S" steps are always camera, processor, and some neat software.

teknikal90
Aug 2, 2013, 09:54 PM
not going to happen.
this smells like the teardrop shaped iphone rumours all over again

Jimbo47
Aug 2, 2013, 10:29 PM
The only piece of proof (which isn't even proof, more like a suggestion) that we have is the code in iOS 7 which explains how to use the sensor. I doubt they would put it in iOS 7 if it was going to be on the iPhone 6 and not the 5S. They would have it in iOS 8 betas.

JonaD
Aug 3, 2013, 05:13 AM
I can add a single 'contact lens' to any camera, including those in Apple devices, that is essentially a fresnel beamsplitter with light source.

The edge would be concentric fresnel profiles, the center would be transparent. The optic would send the IR light from a single L.E.D to a finger pressed on the contact surface in front of the camera, and then collect it back to the image plane of the camera, where software would read the finger print information.

Thus, the built in camera, with a single small L.E.D., and one small plastic embossed 'sampling fresnel' could act as a biometric sensor.

I suggest that Apple will simply do something like that, rather than add an entire separate assembly... as the total additional hardware cost of what I just described, ...is less than a nickel. So what do you think?

VanillaCracker
Aug 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
I can add a single 'contact lens' to any camera, including those in Apple devices, that is essentially a fresnel beamsplitter with light source.

The edge would be concentric fresnel profiles, the center would be transparent. The optic would send the IR light from a single L.E.D to a finger pressed on the contact surface in front of the camera, and then collect it back to the image plane of the camera, where software would read the finger print information.

Thus, the built in camera, with a single small L.E.D., and one small plastic embossed 'sampling fresnel' could act as a biometric sensor.

I suggest that Apple will simply do something like that, rather than add an entire separate assembly... as the total additional hardware cost of what I just described, ...is less than a nickel. So what do you think?

If we're suggesting apple will do something "health" related then I'm on board. It wouldn't be far-fetched to see them add a native app like that given that the S4 just did that this year. Apple and Android always like to catch up to each other

HooRide
Aug 3, 2013, 10:11 AM
In the picture, the connector for the home button has 10 pins, 8 more than is necessary for just a simple on/off button. Maybe there is something else to it?

glutenenvy
Aug 4, 2013, 12:34 AM
Can you use the scanner for anything else than a finger scanner to make it useful?

olowott
Aug 4, 2013, 11:58 AM
Please let there be a Fingerprint sensor :(

hchung
Aug 4, 2013, 11:03 PM
I can add a single 'contact lens' to any camera, including those in Apple devices, that is essentially a fresnel beamsplitter with light source.

The edge would be concentric fresnel profiles, the center would be transparent. The optic would send the IR light from a single L.E.D to a finger pressed on the contact surface in front of the camera, and then collect it back to the image plane of the camera, where software would read the finger print information.

Thus, the built in camera, with a single small L.E.D., and one small plastic embossed 'sampling fresnel' could act as a biometric sensor.

I suggest that Apple will simply do something like that, rather than add an entire separate assembly... as the total additional hardware cost of what I just described, ...is less than a nickel. So what do you think?

Not good enough:
1) For your idea to work, it'd have to be over one of the cameras. The back camera location is too awkward. Using the front camera where it is now ends up having your hand cover the screen as you scan. Customers would be confused as they wouldn't have any feedback as to whether or not the scan succeeded.
2) Putting a lens like that would decrease the picture quality of that camera. Given the importance of picturetaking on the iPhone, not a good choice.
3) Your idea would be best implemented as a separate sensor instead of combining with a general purpose camera... but then it'd probably more expensive than existing fingerprint sensors.

Gjwilly
Aug 5, 2013, 02:55 PM
In the picture, the connector for the home button has 10 pins, 8 more than is necessary for just a simple on/off button. Maybe there is something else to it?

That was the leading rumor a few months back when the pic of this part first surfaced.
Either a fingerprint sensor or a capacitive home button.
Or maybe a lighted home button.
:confused:
I guess we'll find out next month.

asthamapheo
Aug 6, 2013, 02:45 PM
:eek:OMG! the rumored fingerprint scanner is the only thing which makes most of us excited about the iphone 5s, leaving out the fingerprint scanner will affect the iphone 5S's sales. apple, please dont do this to us, i didnt bought any other phone because of the rumor that 5s will include a fingerprint scanner.:(