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waa1futs
Aug 8, 2013, 07:41 AM
In the past with windows machines I've had baaaaad experiences when upgrading my machine to new versions of the OS because the hardware was built to handle the OS version it came with, not the new update. Things like battery life going to hell, trackpads no longer working correctly, random shutdowns, overheating, and general laginess :(

I just purchased my first Mac and have never had an experience upgrading OS X so I'm curious:

Are there any MBA owners planning NOT to upgrade to Mavericks? If so why?

Thank's for your input :)



sonicrobby
Aug 8, 2013, 07:45 AM
Hmmm. I dont see why they wouldnt upgrade. That's one of the reasons I moved away from windows. Nothing seemed to want to work with everything else >.< (i.e. hardware and software). I wonder how well the battery life of the airs will be under mavericks, since it is optimized for low power comsumption

DisplacedMic
Aug 8, 2013, 09:05 AM
Hmmm. I dont see why they wouldnt upgrade. That's one of the reasons I moved away from windows. Nothing seemed to want to work with everything else >.< (i.e. hardware and software). I wonder how well the battery life of the airs will be under mavericks, since it is optimized for low power comsumption

i resisted lion and ML for a while - lion initially because i ddn't like how they were increasing the "ios" look of the OS and relying more on the app store - but then because of reports of bugginess. i also really loved SL which i still think is the best overall OS of all time....

when i first upgraded i hated the changes to the gestures, but eventually i got used to it. i have had some problems w/ ML not playing nice with my SSD but otherwise i'm happy enough.

i don't like being an "early adopter" so either way i'll hang back and see what people think. definitely planning on upgrading though - no real love keeping me with ML:-)

beautifulcoder
Aug 8, 2013, 09:35 AM
I really don't understand why folks DON'T upgrade. I've been in the software business long enough to tell you code bases are indifferent to whatever label the marketing department decides to put on them. If you are using an outdated system you are putting yourself in an unfortunate situation. With every new release the code base gets more effective, it is often simplified, debugged, and will run better on the hardware. OS X is amazing in that it does not require any new hardware and the upgrade should just work. And if it does not Apple is kind enough to tell you no. So why would anyone NOT take advantage of this?

I do have to say, Windows was entirely different. It is perhaps because of Microsoft that folks are generally afraid of the perils of updated software. But you have understand, Microsoft was selling you software and PC makers often benefited when the new software no longer worked and you were forced to buy new hardware.

m98custom1212
Aug 8, 2013, 09:37 AM
I'm not upgrading because I don't have OSX on my macbook

Isamilis
Aug 8, 2013, 09:49 AM
I would wait at least until 10.9.3 released. I prefer functionality and stable over the fresh look and new features.

robvas
Aug 8, 2013, 09:53 AM
I really don't understand why folks DON'T upgrade.

Moving from Snow Leopard to Lion or Mountain Lion caused problems for a lot of people. Rosetta was dropped, older hardware wasn't supported.

All it takes is ONE program to not work with the new OS to have someone to stay with what they've got. One good thing about Windows is the lengths they go through to keep older apps working with the newest versions of Windows (Especially in the 3.1 -> 95 and 98 -> XP transitions)

But I'll be updating to Mavericks for the increased battery life alone :)

iKnowMr.Jobs
Aug 8, 2013, 09:55 AM
i bought my 2012 Macbook Air when they were still shipping with Lion initially. I upgraded to Mountain Lion the day it went live on the App Store and i had no issues. If anything, it ran better with Mountain Lion than Lion. Plus, Mavericks has so much under the hood type of changes that decreases CPU activity and thus, better battery life so i think i'd be worth upgrading to that. If you're still nervous about, wait until the first update (10.9.1) to fix any potential bugs.

beautifulcoder
Aug 8, 2013, 10:00 AM
Moving from Snow Leopard to Lion or Mountain Lion caused problems for a lot of people. Rosetta was dropped, older hardware wasn't supported.

Are you sure about the hardware? In my experience Apple should block the update if it won't work on your machine. Totally agree on the third party software issues. But I really don't think it has anything to do with Apple. In talking to a friend, Rosetta in particular is one of those companies that is not very competent at software in general.

Bach2011
Aug 8, 2013, 10:12 AM
I would wait a while until all applications I need fully support a new OS. My previous MBA came with Lion and I upgraded to ML without having any problems afterward. But when re-install ML and change the owner name to my friend, it's a bit painful. I had to have Genius install some software e.g. iPhoto for me.

On Windows side, I never have problems when upgrading. But I always use full version of a new Windows to install though. If existing hardware specification is supported, there is no issue (not like I would install Win 7 on Pentium IV or very old spec). I have purchased only IBM, Lenovo (Thinkpad), and Dell (Optiplex), and they provide very good support on drivers. I would avoid some brands e.g. Sony as it'll be painful to find drivers, especially for laptops (e.g. hotkeys).

imjoee
Aug 8, 2013, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't see why anyone won't update, they always come out with fixes, so if theres a common problem it'll get fixed.

InTheMist
Aug 8, 2013, 10:29 AM
I'm definitely upgrading. The battery saving features alone are worth it.

DisplacedMic
Aug 8, 2013, 10:40 AM
I really don't understand why folks DON'T upgrade. I've been in the software business long enough to tell you code bases are indifferent to whatever label the marketing department decides to put on them. If you are using an outdated system you are putting yourself in an unfortunate situation. With every new release the code base gets more effective, it is often simplified, debugged, and will run better on the hardware. OS X is amazing in that it does not require any new hardware and the upgrade should just work. And if it does not Apple is kind enough to tell you no. So why would anyone NOT take advantage of this?

I do have to say, Windows was entirely different. It is perhaps because of Microsoft that folks are generally afraid of the perils of updated software. But you have understand, Microsoft was selling you software and PC makers often benefited when the new software no longer worked and you were forced to buy new hardware.

i feel like i just gave a pretty good reason... do you not remember the problems people had initially w/ lion?

unless of course you are talking about people who never upgrade and then yes - i'm right there with you.

SusanK
Aug 8, 2013, 11:07 AM
I was totally turned off by the WWDC keynote. Presenters cracking wise on inventory on sale in Apple stores. Made me wonder what they were trying to prove. Not at all necessary to discredit people who contributed much to Apple and are no longer with the company. Very poor form IMHO.

DisplacedMic
Aug 8, 2013, 11:09 AM
I was totally turned off by the WWDC keynote. Presenters cracking wise on inventory on sale in Apple stores. Made me wonder what they were trying to prove. Not at all necessary to discredit people who contributed much to Apple and are no longer with the company. Very poor form IMHO.

what are you talking about specifically?

SusanK
Aug 8, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jony Ive was the consummate professional. He was the high point. The others left me shaking my head.

LOLZpersonok
Aug 8, 2013, 11:27 AM
Updates are always welcome. It's always about the new features, right?

I have to disagree with anyone who says that they have trouble upgrading Windows. I for one have never had issues. When I did it I just moved over the stuff I wanted to keep onto an external drive and got a fresh install. Even when Windows 8 Consumer Preview was out I chose the upgrade option on my Windows XP, Pentium 4 machine and it kept everything. No issues.

My dad's MacBook Air could probably do well with the upgrade. It's a 2010 model I believe and for some odd reason it kernel panics far too often, much worse than Windows ME on cheap hardware. Haven't tried reinstalling 10.6, but if the update is compatible I'm sure it will be just fine. I don't know what my dad did to it, but it's not normal.

*Just to point something out, don't upgrade a Windows machine if you don't know what you're doing. I'm not saying it's difficult, but it's easy to screw it up.*

triple-tap
Aug 8, 2013, 11:33 AM
I will not be updating on day 1. I did this with my 15" pro when lion was launched, and my wireless printer stopped working for about 10 days while I waited on an update.

I am hopeful that the number of DP's and even beta ios releases are a sign that apple wants to work out as many kinks as it can. Who knows, maybe 10.9.1 will be fantastic. Either way, I'll wait a few days before upgrading. There isn't any new feature that I am dying to have so bad that it can't wait.

AXs
Aug 8, 2013, 01:22 PM
This will be something I decide when Mavericks is released.

If it is gonna solve the auto-sleep issue during usage, and also give me full AC compatibility... I'm bumping to Mavs right away.

Hopefully I can run full screen apps on my external monitor and use other apps on my mac simultaneously as well, with Mavs.

If Mavs enable these points said above, I'll upgrade instantaneously.

If not, I'll probably wait for feedback.

RoboWarriorSr
Aug 8, 2013, 01:29 PM
I'm not upgrading because I don't have OSX on my macbook

The topic asked for MacBook Air owners not any other laptop/desktop.
And he edited it.

AXs
Aug 8, 2013, 01:56 PM
The topic asked for MacBook Air owners not any other laptop/desktop.

he bought a macbook to run windows... or even worse, to run an open source.

He's underground like that. WuTANG! :D

merkinmuffley
Aug 8, 2013, 02:03 PM
Haven't seen enough info to decide on the upgrade.

m98custom1212
Aug 8, 2013, 02:04 PM
The topic asked for MacBook Air owners not any other laptop/desktop.

I have a macbook air... see the sig

I wanted hawell ultrabook.. My options were Sony Pro 13, Acer S7 and 13 Macbook air.

Sony pro- I brought one wifi didnt work so I returned it
Acer S7- acer doesn't have i5/256gb/8gb configs out and battery life was pretty low compared top the macbook air but has a IPS 1080p.. I decided battery life was more important

Macbook air- has lower res but higher battery life, better gpu and the spec I wanted (i5/256gb/8gb)

I installed windows 8 and wiped osx

Mike in Kansas
Aug 8, 2013, 02:13 PM
I would wait at least until 10.9.3 released. I prefer functionality and stable over the fresh look and new features.

So you waited 8 months to update to Mountain Lion? If Apple brings out updates any faster you may be a whole OS behind! ;)

RoboWarriorSr
Aug 8, 2013, 02:14 PM
I have a macbook air... see the sig

I wanted hawell ultrabook.. My options were Sony Pro 13, Acer S7 and 13 Macbook air.

Sony pro- I brought one wifi didnt work so I returned it
Acer S7- acer doesn't have i5/256gb/8gb configs out and battery life was pretty low compared top the macbook air but has a IPS 1080p.. I decided battery life was more important

Macbook air- has lower res but higher battery life, better gpu and the spec I wanted (i5/256gb/8gb)

I installed windows 8 and wiped osx
It would have been nice if you previously stated in your original comment that you meant MacBook Air rather than computer.:)

m98custom1212
Aug 8, 2013, 02:16 PM
It would have been nice if you previously stated in your original comment that you meant MacBook Air rather than computer.

I'm not upgrading because I don't have OSX on my macbook

?

Mike in Kansas
Aug 8, 2013, 02:16 PM
I'll update the day it is released. I'll also have a CCC bootable clone on 2 external hard drives and a TM backup, so I'll roll back the moment it appears to be unstable if I have to.

chrono1081
Aug 8, 2013, 02:21 PM
In the past with windows machines I've had baaaaad experiences when upgrading my machine to new versions of the OS because the hardware was built to handle the OS version it came with, not the new update. Things like battery life going to hell, trackpads no longer working correctly, random shutdowns, overheating, and general laginess :(

I just purchased my first Mac and have never had an experience upgrading OS X so I'm curious:

Are there any MBA owners planning NOT to upgrade to Mavericks? If so why?

Thank's for your input :)

Mac upgrades are a billion times better than Windows upgrades. You'll have no problem.

RoboWarriorSr
Aug 8, 2013, 02:27 PM
?

I'm pretty sure it was edited but I'm going off topic anyway.

Razzosinni
Aug 8, 2013, 02:29 PM
I"ll also upgrade the day it comes out. My Haswell MBA already runs for more than 12 hours on a single charge and it"ll probably get even better. There are a lot of features in Mavericks that make me want to upgrade. So far, ML runs flawlessly.

AXs
Aug 8, 2013, 02:37 PM
I have a macbook air... see the sig

I wanted hawell ultrabook.. My options were Sony Pro 13, Acer S7 and 13 Macbook air.

Sony pro- I brought one wifi didnt work so I returned it
Acer S7- acer doesn't have i5/256gb/8gb configs out and battery life was pretty low compared top the macbook air but has a IPS 1080p.. I decided battery life was more important

Macbook air- has lower res but higher battery life, better gpu and the spec I wanted (i5/256gb/8gb)

I installed windows 8 and wiped osx

If it is in the sig, it is without a doubt true.

Anyways, I don't think you bought a 2013 air to use it exclusively for windows.

Wiping out OS X? You're just hanging yourself here. The haswell air can be set to boot directly to windows for every usage. You'd still have OS X without noticing it.

Either way, this is silly. Sure it's your money, but why on earth would you pay premium dollar for a machine that's build to run OS X, only to wipe it out and spend another hundred bucks to install windows?

Oh, because you were SPECIFICALLY looking for an i5/8/256 machine to run windows... and hence bought a Mac... to run windows :rolleyes:

Saturn1217
Aug 8, 2013, 02:42 PM
I wouldn't upgrade right away but assuming that Mavericks doesn't break compatibility with programs I need to use I plan on eventually upgrading. I actually think Mavericks looks like a good upgrade. I like where they are focusing their energies this time (on things like Finder, battery life etc.).

I doubt they'll move too far from the experience they introduced in lion so if you're already on 10.7+ I see no reason not to upgrade eventually.

m98custom1212
Aug 8, 2013, 02:45 PM
I'm pretty sure it was edited but I'm going off topic anyway.

Did you see last edited by? No

AXs
Aug 8, 2013, 02:48 PM
Did you see last edited by? No

If you edit it within the minute, it doesn't show up.

Look dude, quit with the act already. It is see through. Stop wasting people's time by trolling them. There are a bunch of really good peepz here that are voluntarily helping out anyone who may roll along and find difficulties with a Mac, specifically the Air.

Stop trolling for attentionz:mad:

talmy
Aug 8, 2013, 02:52 PM
In the past with windows machines I've had baaaaad experiences when upgrading my machine to new versions of the OS because the hardware was built to handle the OS version it came with, not the new update. Things like battery life going to hell, trackpads no longer working correctly, random shutdowns, overheating, and general laginess :(

That won't happen here! Mavericks runs just fine (with increased battery life!) on our late 2010 11" MBA with 2 GB of RAM, the minimum configuration. It originally came with Snow Leopard, and also runs Lion and Mountain Lion without problems.

m98custom1212
Aug 8, 2013, 02:56 PM
If it is in the sig, it is without a doubt true.

Anyways, I don't think you bought a 2013 air to use it exclusively for windows.

Wiping out OS X? You're just hanging yourself here. The haswell air can be set to boot directly to windows for every usage. You'd still have OS X without noticing it.

Either way, this is silly. Sure it's your money, but why on earth would you pay premium dollar for a machine that's build to run OS X, only to wipe it out and spend another hundred bucks to install windows?

Oh, because you were SPECIFICALLY looking for an i5/8/256 machine to run windows... and hence bought a Mac... to run windows :rolleyes:


I don't need OSX and I wanted the space.. I'm in graduate school.. I got windows 8 pro for nothing

Anyways,

~ Macbook air (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD761LL/A?) $1400 (Cheaper due to educational discounts)

~Sony Pro 13 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834126048) $1470 only 4gb of ram instead of 8gb

~Acer S7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834126048) $1450 only 128gb ssd

~Sony Pro 13 8gb 256SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834126052) $1570 ($1470 after mir)

I wanted that config because I wasnt dropping $1600+ for the i7 config which i don't need or want S7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314112) Sony Pro 13 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834126041)

The macbook air i7/256gb/8gb is $1550..

The macbook air is cheaper even without any education discounts on both configs

If you edit it within the minute, it doesn't show up.

Look dude, quit with the act already. It is see through. Stop wasting people's time by trolling them. There are a bunch of really good peepz here that are voluntarily helping out anyone who may roll along and find difficulties with a Mac, specifically the Air.

Stop trolling for attentionz:mad:

He posted way after me anyways.. So he just missed a section on what I wrote

potvkettle
Aug 8, 2013, 03:45 PM
My second Mac is the 2011 Mac Air 13 that came with Snow Leopard. I upgraded on Day 1 to both Lion and Mountain Lion, with zero problems; however, since I was new to the platform, I was not carrying any legacy software that was going to have problems with the upgrade.

Both times, I had to wait a week or two for Onyx or some other 3rd-party app to update to the new OSX.

I routinely get 7 hours out of my battery, even after two years. Looking forward to what effect Mavericks will have on my 2011 MBA.

Mochi Hana
Aug 8, 2013, 03:57 PM
I plan on upgrading to Mavericks, but maybe not on day 1.

newdeal
Aug 8, 2013, 05:00 PM
I will upgrade but it will likely start off buggy and with performance issues. Usually the new releases are buggy until the second or third revision is released. Lion was terrible when it was released compared to the rock solid snow leopard, it got better with time. Mountain lion imo was actually very good when it was released so hopefully mavericks will be as well but I think mavericks is a larger change from mountain lion than mountain lion was from lion so I feel it will take them a few months to sort out bugs and then everything will be back up to par

DisplacedMic
Aug 9, 2013, 10:44 AM
I'll update the day it is released. I'll also have a CCC bootable clone on 2 external hard drives and a TM backup, so I'll roll back the moment it appears to be unstable if I have to.

i think this is a good strategy. i was going to wait but i think i'll do what you're doing - especially since i have the $100 gift card from the BTS sale.

while i was a bit disappointed w/ lion/ML at first i did eventually upgrade, can't see why i wouldn't do the same for mav. and it's not like i won't eventually do it even in the unlikely event that it's atrocious. Besides, you generally HAVE to upgrade to get the next click up anyway...

/what else am i going to do w/ $100 itunes credit?

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Jony Ive was the consummate professional. He was the high point. The others left me shaking my head.

i don't remember feeling that way and i certainly don't remember the slights you are alluding to...

Patriot24
Aug 9, 2013, 10:48 AM
The only thing that keeps most people from upgrading is that it costs money (even though it is dirt cheap IMO). If OS X was free to upgrade and users were prompted to do so like they are in iOS, it would be a different ballgame entirely.

I'll be upgrading on day one. I agree with other posters that have pointed out the painless nature of upgrading OS X as compared with Windows.

talmy
Aug 9, 2013, 11:17 AM
The only thing that keeps most people from upgrading is that it costs money (even though it is dirt cheap IMO).

One thing that keeps all people from upgrading, regardless of price, is if it breaks existing software. Mavericks seems to be more benign in that respect than previous upgrades. My Mac experience started with Panther and by far the most painful upgrades were Leopard and Lion. For me Leopard was the worst as it completely broke my networking until the .1 release. Lion's .0 at least limped along. Snow Leopard was the fix for Leopard, and Mountain Lion was the fix for Lion with Mavericks offering additional fixes for multiple displays and battery usage.

For me, Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion, and now Mavericks are "no brainer" upgrades from the cats that proceeded them. The only real question is should Snow Leopard hold outs, that are able to upgrade, go directly to Mavericks? No reason I can see to go to Lion or Mountain Lion without taking the full plunge to Mavericks.

SoIsays
Aug 9, 2013, 11:28 AM
I'll upgrade if it's free. If I have to pay, no thanks. I really like Mountain Lion.

chabig
Aug 9, 2013, 11:32 AM
In the past with windows machines I've had baaaaad experiences when upgrading my machine to new versions of the OS because the hardware was built to handle the OS version it came with, not the new update.

And what told you that? A "Made for Windows XX" sticker on the palm rest?

Mrbobb
Aug 9, 2013, 12:14 PM
I don't "plan" it.

I just considered it an hassle if I don't need any of the new features (BIG IF). Better battery OK, but I will wait until somebody else gone through the process and tell me exactly what's the improvement. 3% more battery time? I probly won't bother.

Bug fix? Is there something specific you are trying to fix? Be specific, don't assume newer is always better.

I saw the keynote, and there is really nothing there to excite me. When somebody find a new feature I like, I may consider it.

Whether Windows or OSX, I always make a image backup of my OS before a major upgrade, so if I don't like it, have problems, I just pull out my image backup and am back in business in 15 minutes, and wait until there is a resolution to my problem, if any, and/or more time to deal with it. THAT'S IT. No risk.

talmy
Aug 9, 2013, 12:36 PM
And what told you that? A "Made for Windows XX" sticker on the palm rest?

You usually get "burned" with Windows upgrades because optimal device drivers are not available for the new OS on the original hardware. Manufacturers generally don't support these systems beyond what OS they are shipped with. Any upgrades are completely at your own risk!

So, yes, they are made for Windows XX just like the sticker says.

Apple seems to provide driver support in new OSes until the systems fall out of AppleCare (3 years).

m98custom1212
Aug 9, 2013, 12:48 PM
You usually get "burned" with Windows upgrades because optimal device drivers are not available for the new OS on the original hardware. Manufacturers generally don't support these systems beyond what OS they are shipped with. Any upgrades are completely at your own risk!

So, yes, they are made for Windows XX just like the sticker says.

Apple seems to provide driver support in new OSes until the systems fall out of AppleCare (3 years).

That's because you don't have Windows releasing a new version every year.. but when windows 8 was coming out.. The manufacturers put "windows 8 ready" on the box

Windows 7 is what 4 years old.. Windows 8 is a year old. Three years between releases.

talmy
Aug 9, 2013, 01:07 PM
That's because you don't have Windows releasing a new version every year.. but when windows 8 was coming out.. The manufacturers put "windows 8 ready" on the box

Windows 7 is what 4 years old.. Windows 8 is a year old. Three years between releases.

It matters if you buy a system with Windows 7 a year before Windows 8 is out and find you can't upgrade. Mavericks will run on every Mac built since early 2009.

m98custom1212
Aug 9, 2013, 01:20 PM
It matters if you buy a system with Windows 7 a year before Windows 8 is out and find you can't upgrade. Mavericks will run on every Mac built since early 2009.

You can upgrade.. I have done it for family, friends. Granted, it's usually looking online for correct drivers if can't get them to install correctly/natively in Windows

talmy
Aug 9, 2013, 02:27 PM
You can upgrade.. I have done it for family, friends. Granted, it's usually looking online for correct drivers if can't get them to install correctly/natively in Windows

Well, that's the problem. It takes a technically sophisticated user to do it. Not an issue for Macs. You can see this in the upgrade rates which are much higher for Macs than for Windows systems. Heck, even at my work with an IT staff trained in Windows every box is on XP except for the very newest purchases which are on 7, probably because they can't get the drivers!

BenTrovato
Aug 9, 2013, 02:45 PM
I'm upgrading for sure! I like newer things even though the price isn't worth it.

m98custom1212
Aug 9, 2013, 02:52 PM
Well, that's the problem. It takes a technically sophisticated user to do it. Not an issue for Macs. You can see this in the upgrade rates which are much higher for Macs than for Windows systems. Heck, even at my work with an IT staff trained in Windows every box is on XP except for the very newest purchases which are on 7, probably because they can't get the drivers!

You can't compare XP to windows 7.... 11 year ago OS to 4 year old OS

You need to be comparing Windows 7 to Windows 8. You said so your self from Mac 2009.. Right about when windows 7 came out.

talmy
Aug 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
You can't compare XP to windows 7.... 11 year ago OS to 4 year old OS


More than one issue. I was earlier talking about the ability to upgrade and then started talking about the willingness to upgrade. I quickly found with a Google search the graphic I attached that measures the number of systems in any OS based on observed net traffic, taken last April. You can see that Mountain Lion, out 9 months, has more users than Snow Leopard and Lion combined. Lots of people upgraded. On the other hand, Windows 8, out 5 months, had less penetration than any of the previous Windows OSes measured, and ancient Windows XP represents 41% of Windows. Windows users just don't upgrade.

I certainly don't see Mac users running Panther or Tiger (the contemporaries of XP).

m98custom1212
Aug 9, 2013, 05:35 PM
More than one issue. I was earlier talking about the ability to upgrade and then started talking about the willingness to upgrade. I quickly found with a Google search the graphic I attached that measures the number of systems in any OS based on observed net traffic, taken last April. You can see that Mountain Lion, out 9 months, has more users than Snow Leopard and Lion combined. Lots of people upgraded. On the other hand, Windows 8, out 5 months, had less penetration than any of the previous Windows OSes measured, and ancient Windows XP represents 41% of Windows. Windows users just don't upgrade.

I certainly don't see Mac users running Panther or Tiger (the contemporaries of XP).

Plus panther could be in there with numerous of operating systems

Another issue is Macs aren't even in the 6% of total use in business.. Most business's keep XP because some they don't want to upgrade the software and a piece of software can't be on newer machine.

henry72
Aug 9, 2013, 05:45 PM
Why not?

All Apple updates are pretty much a must upgrade, nice new features and improvements. Unlike the other world Microsoft, you really need to think, such as Vista, Windows 8. Most of the time, you won't know what's new lol

There is no going back with Apple, that's why heaps of people want iOS 7 as soon as the beta come out. Yes it's beta, not the final release lol

Some of you guys are thinking of waiting for a .1 or .2 update before upgrading, I just find it hard to believe. Even worse, some people are still sticking with Snow Leopard. Are those people don't care about iCloud at all? I have recently reinstall 10.6 on my friends MacBook because that's what he can get, and I just find it quite ugly and hard to use... just my opinion anyway!

robvas
Aug 9, 2013, 05:50 PM
Another issue is Macs aren't even in the 6% of total use in business.. Most business's keep XP because some they don't want to upgrade the software and a piece of software can't be on newer machine.

Sometimes they just can't upgrade past XP. I just setup an XP machine today, to run a process that uses WordPerfect 5.1!

SusanK
Aug 9, 2013, 07:26 PM
I certainly don't see Mac users running Panther or Tiger (the contemporaries of XP).

I'm running Panther on an iBook. I use an MBA regularly but still love the iBook. I have Tiger discs but never did the upgrade.

Boyd01
Aug 9, 2013, 09:31 PM
Not sure that I will upgrade. If I do, it certainly won't be for awhile. I still run a lot of old software - Final Cut Pro 6, FileMaker Pro 11, PhotoShop CS 3, VectorWorks 2008, MS Office 2008. To my surprise, they all migrated fine to my 2011 MBA when I upgraded from my 2008 MBP. The 2011 MBA shipped with Lion and I never upgraded. In fact, I stayed at 10.7.3 because I read about problems with Logic Pro on 10.7.4. I'm definitely a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of guy. ;)

A week ago I upgraded to a 2013 MBA. I had to mess around with drivers and such in Logic, but everything else still works fine. I know some of this software is getting old, but it does everything I need and would really expensive to replace. I don't really enjoy the process of migrating to a new machine or new operating system. I appreciate the benefits that both can bring, but unless I see a big advantage, I just stick with what works and what gets the job done.

So unless I'm unhappy with 10.8 (which is brand new to me), it isn't likely I'll upgrade. I'll just wait until I get another new Mac that has the latest and greatest system software sometime in the future.

FWIW, my main Windows machine is a Dell Desktop running Vista. Again, it gets the job done and I really don't relish the thought of migrating all my old Windows software to a new machine.

I also have an iPhone 4 running iOS 4.01. Is there some kind of pattern here? :D