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IJ Reilly
Nov 18, 2005, 10:07 AM
WASHINGTON — When he came home from Vietnam, John P. Murtha had two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and — unlike many other vets — no desire to protest the war.

After he won a U.S. House seat in Pennsylvania in 1974, he became one of the most hawkish Democrats in Congress, using his position on the House Appropriations Committee to help lavish the armed forces with money. And when President Bush decided to wage war on Saddam Hussein, perhaps no Democrat was a firmer ally.

So it sent a jolt through Congress on Thursday when Murtha stood before a bank of television cameras and announced tearfully that he had decided it was time to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq. And not soon. Now.

"Our military's done everything that has been asked of them. The U.S. cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily," he said. "It's time to bring the troops home."

As troop casualties have mounted, a small number of senators and House members of both parties have begun to urge their colleagues to demand an Iraq exit strategy from the administration. But of those, only Sen. Russell D. Feingold (D-Wis.) was willing to say the deployment should begin soon.

Murtha, 73, put himself firmly out in front of his colleagues by calling for the withdrawal to start now — a process he estimated could be completed in six months.

"I believe before the Iraqi elections, scheduled for mid-December, the Iraqi people and the emerging government must be put on notice: The United States will immediately redeploy — immediately redeploy," Murtha said. "No schedule which can be changed. Nothing that's controlled by the Iraqis. This is an immediate redeployment of our American forces because they have become the target."

Congressional anxiety over the war has risen as public support for the war has plummeted in recent polls. This week, the Senate adopted a resolution urging that Iraqis take more control of their country during 2006 to hasten the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops. And Murtha's dramatic announcement was likely to intensify the debate.

The administration and GOP congressional leaders quickly denounced his proposal.

A statement issued by the White House as Bush was traveling in Asia described Murtha as "a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a strong America." It continued: "So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party. The eve of an historic democratic election in Iraq is not the time to surrender to the terrorists."

House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) said he was saddened by Murtha's about-face.

"Rep. Murtha and Democratic leaders have adopted a policy of cut and run," Hastert said in a statement, using a phrase other Republicans — including Bush — have adopted in characterizing calls for withdrawal.

Hastert added: "To add insult to injury, this is done while the president is on foreign soil."

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-usiraq18nov18,1,4944276.story



xsedrinam
Nov 18, 2005, 10:59 AM
Sounds like anything other than a loss of memory and backbone.

skunk
Nov 18, 2005, 11:16 AM
So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party.By any other than US standards, the Democratic Party does not have an "extreme liberal wing".

IJ Reilly
Nov 18, 2005, 11:50 AM
By any other than US standards, the Democratic Party does not have an "extreme liberal wing".

You don't seem to understand American political definitions, Republican style. Anyone who dares to criticize the president is automatically part of the "extreme liberal wing," even if they happen to be a highly-decorated colonel in the U.S. Marines who served in two wars and supported Republican military policies in every conceivable way, until today.

Nickygoat
Nov 18, 2005, 12:03 PM
even if they happen to be a highly-decorated colonel in the U.S. Marines who served in two wars and supported Republican military policies in every conceivable way, until today.
Obviously a traitor.

Sayhey
Nov 18, 2005, 12:48 PM
This is my favorite part of the Murtha story.
Seldom overtly political, Murtha uncharacteristically responded to Vice President Dick Cheney's comments this week that Democrats were spouting "one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges" about the Bush administration's use of intelligence before the war.

"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done," Murtha said.

Referring to Bush, Murtha added, "I resent the fact, on Veterans Day, he criticized Democrats for criticizing them."AP via Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051117/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq)

Just a tad angry at the Chickenhawks?

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 18, 2005, 12:58 PM
It looks to me Rove is back telling Bush what to say. What a bunch of smear saying Murtha and Micheal Moore in the same sentence. It shows the depths the republicans have sunk to when they cant even allow criticism or any other viewpoint other then Bush's. Its discusting to see the name calling by republicans when they have so many around the president who have never served, and a lot of them became deferral queens over and over(rich folks) when vietnam was going. Pathetic Bunch of Deferral Queens. Rove's smear tactics of smearing everyone is going to cost the republicans a lot come next election.

freeny
Nov 18, 2005, 01:39 PM
It looks to me Rove is back telling Bush what to say. What a bunch of smear saying Murtha and Micheal Moore in the same sentence. It shows the depths the republicans have sunk to when they cant even allow criticism or any other viewpoint other then Bush's. Its discusting to see the name calling by republicans when they have so many around the president who have never served, and a lot of them became deferral queens over and over(rich folks) when vietnam was going. Pathetic Bunch of Deferral Queens. Rove's smear tactics of smearing everyone is going to cost the republicans a lot come next election.
I agree with you totally, but I dont think we should pull out now. I am a liberal myself and absolutely abhore this administration and am embarraced by it, but unfortunately we are in this for the long run. Bush really needs an exit strategy. Even if he doesnt stick to it, at least there would finally be a plan.

Thanatoast
Nov 18, 2005, 01:51 PM
Another sad part is that some Democrats aren't even backing him up. They're still too afraid of being attacked the way Murtha is. Grow some backbone!

Oh yeah, and Cheney, Bush & Co. grow more desperate every day. Republicans have a bad case of doublethink.

pseudobrit
Nov 18, 2005, 01:53 PM
You don't seem to understand American political definitions, Republican style. Anyone who dares to criticize the president is automatically part of the "extreme liberal wing," even if they happen to be a highly-decorated colonel in the U.S. Marines who served in two wars and supported Republican military policies in every conceivable way, until today.

Another commie flip-flopper. You know he wanted to throw his medals over the fence.

Lyle
Nov 18, 2005, 04:24 PM
Another sad part is that some Democrats aren't even backing him up...Well, it looks like (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/18/congress.iraq.ap/index.html) his fellow House Democrats will get another chance to back him up this evening. Granted, few (if any) of the Republicans will vote in support of Murtha's resolution, but I'm interested to see which (if any) Democrats will stand by him.

Thomas Veil
Nov 18, 2005, 05:46 PM
Another sad part is that some Democrats aren't even backing him up. They're still too afraid of being attacked the way Murtha is. Grow some backbone!All the Democrats should be backing him up. That some of them aren't is a testimony to their cowardice. They're obviously not waiting for "the right atmosphere" to blast Bush...public opinion is well against him. So I can only conclude that they are afraid, as you say, of being labeled "radicals" and "out of touch" by the GOP spinmeisters.

But you know what? The rules of the game have changed. The Republicans can call John Kerry a traitor, and a year ago those charges would've stuck, but I don't think so anymore. If anything, Kerry has been proven right. He's one guy who should fire back in support of Murtha. Max Cleland is another guy they could bring in to shame the GOP. But yes, the Democrats have gotta stay on offense. In fact, folks like Harry Reid and Howard Dean should privately warn their compatriots that wusses will get little support from the party at election time.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 18, 2005, 06:07 PM
Republicans are playing games with this war and our democracy, this vote tonight is nothing more then games and gimmicks. Republicans are becoming shameful, almost like little kids fighting. I would have never ever thought that the republicans would have taken the U.S. down this path they seem to be on. Im certain now that if there werent any democrats in congress things like medicaid,Social Security, Student loans,Farm aid and other help programs would all be wiped out. Makes me sick even as a former Republican.

The next thing we will see is this party selling fear and more fear. Watch and see.

Lyle
Nov 18, 2005, 06:15 PM
Republicans are playing games with this war and our democracy, this vote tonight is nothing more then games and gimmicks...Rep. Murtha, a Democrat, has called for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Assuming for a moment that he is serious, and isn't "playing games" with the war, what would be an appropriate response for the House of Representatives at this juncture?

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 18, 2005, 06:19 PM
Rep. Murtha, a Democrat, has called for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Assuming for a moment that he is serious, and isn't "playing games" with the war, what would be an appropriate response for the House of Representatives at this juncture?A slow and steady pull out, he isnt saying everyone gone tomorrow but he is saying start phasing our guys home and phase in Iraqi's. If they are training Iraqi's like they say they are it shouldnt be a problem but we know that they have stated trained Iraqi's in the past that turned out to be vaporware.

skunk
Nov 18, 2005, 06:56 PM
but we know that they have stated trained Iraqi's in the past that turned out to be vaporware.Love it! :D

IJ Reilly
Nov 18, 2005, 06:56 PM
Well, it looks like (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/18/congress.iraq.ap/index.html) his fellow House Democrats will get another chance to back him up this evening. Granted, few (if any) of the Republicans will vote in support of Murtha's resolution, but I'm interested to see which (if any) Democrats will stand by him.

Depends on what the resolution actually says, doesn't it?

mactastic
Nov 19, 2005, 10:05 AM
And which resolution was voted on? The 'Murtha Resolution' or 'the Democrat Resolution'?

Oh and who's pulling partisan stunts in Congress now? I thought that was a no-no...

solvs
Nov 20, 2005, 02:01 AM
For all those who complain that we're just a bunch of liberals, I find it funny that we deride the Dems for being spineless. Proves my theory that it doesn't matter if you have a (D) or an (R) next to your name. 9 out of 10 politicians suck, and the ones that are actually good get screwed by their own party.

Anyone else think this whole thing is going to backfire on the neocons? Yeah, me too.