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krashx7
Aug 17, 2013, 07:39 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

ionjohn
Aug 17, 2013, 07:57 PM
Apple backing off? Don't doubt it, mate. They'd feel too ashamed

I think it's time to go android :p

madsci954
Aug 17, 2013, 08:05 PM
Dude, it's been 2 months now. They ain't changing.

Harrycooke
Aug 17, 2013, 08:07 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

They're not girly. They're not pastel. They are primary, secondary and tertiary colours. The issue isn't with the colours, the issue is that they're not to your personal taste. I like them, as so many others do too.

In fact, the most common colour for the icons is blue! Neither a pastel colour, nor a feminine colour.

tymaster50
Aug 17, 2013, 08:10 PM
i haven't seen one of these threads in a while. Thanks TC

SJism23
Aug 17, 2013, 08:11 PM
I don't mind the colours. It looks different and fresh, in my opinion. The overbearing use of white is another matter…

I have heard a few people mention before that these colours are attractive to those living in Asian countries (e.g., China), which suits Apple's strategy of trying to gain traction in those markets.

SakuraSuki
Aug 17, 2013, 08:27 PM
I don't mind the colours. It looks different and fresh, in my opinion. The overbearing use of white is another matter…

I have heard a few people mention before that these colours are attractive to those living in Asian countries (e.g., China), which suits Apple's strategy of trying to gain traction in those markets.

No no. I am Asian and I am Chinese, and I hate the colour choice too... The first impression is kid computer sold at Toys R US

SJism23
Aug 17, 2013, 08:33 PM
No no. I am Asian and I am Chinese, and I hate the colour choice too... The first impression is kid computer sold at Toys R US

I didn't mean to say that Chinese people like it. I meant that China's/Japan's culture is more oriented towards brighter colours (think of Anime and ads you see in those places).

MEJHarrison
Aug 17, 2013, 08:48 PM
Perhaps the answer to your question lies in one of the dozens of previous threads covering the exact same topic?

DariusX
Aug 17, 2013, 08:48 PM
Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

Here's hoping that you will accept the fact that the icons arent gonna change and will stop whining about it or just switch to android.

Zerilos
Aug 17, 2013, 09:06 PM
Apple backing off? Don't doubt it, mate. They'd feel too ashamed

I think it's time to go android :p

Odds are, you were planning to switch to Android already. Selling your phone to avoid having to look at icons that you could just place in a folder is pretty extreme, particularly considering how little time most people spend actually looking at their home screen.

uhaas
Aug 17, 2013, 09:29 PM
I wasn't an initial fan, but looking at the screenshot thread, they look pretty good. I think it depends on your wallpaper, and that seems to be a high point of iOS 7.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1593760

ionjohn
Aug 17, 2013, 09:44 PM
Odds are, you were planning to switch to Android already. Selling your phone to avoid having to look at icons that you could just place in a folder is pretty extreme, particularly considering how little time most people spend actually looking at their home screen.

Haha nah I was kidding, if I really can't stand iOS 7, I'll just stick with iOS 6 and no way I'm switching phones before at least iOS 8

ThisIsNotMe
Aug 17, 2013, 10:33 PM
I wasn't an initial fan, but looking at the screenshot thread, they look pretty good. I think it depends on your wallpaper, and that seems to be a high point of iOS 7.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1593760

Nothing looks 'pretty good' about the icons. Nothing.
And folders. Don't get me started on the new folder UI.

However the UI elements are another story. Yes, they do look "pretty good" though they should have kept the same UI menu icon elements that also exist in OS X - like the safari share button.

charlituna
Aug 17, 2013, 10:37 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

You might want to try an art class. Because they are not pastel.

And a little less sexism wouldn't hurt either

Mrg02d
Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 PM
You might want to try an art class. Because they are not pastel.

And a little less sexism wouldn't hurt either

I'm a manly cowboy and I prefer the new colors and patterns. :D

NewbieCanada
Aug 17, 2013, 10:50 PM
In fact, the most common colour for the icons is blue! Neither a pastel colour, nor a feminine colour.

Well... it is the colour of pregnancy tests.

furam90
Aug 17, 2013, 11:06 PM
What bothers me is the lack of color everywhere in the OS ...except for the icons.

redbeard331
Aug 17, 2013, 11:07 PM
That's what apparently happens when you let a group of hipster marketing folk design your OS.

jav6454
Aug 17, 2013, 11:09 PM
All I know is that kids will go crazy over the new colors.

mactumors
Aug 17, 2013, 11:14 PM
They got rid of the skeuomorphism and they needed a new way to make the software seem friendly.

aimee.elizabeth
Aug 17, 2013, 11:45 PM
No no. I am Asian and I am Chinese, and I hate the colour choice too... The first impression is kid computer sold at Toys R US

Oh that's funny, I'm Asian and Chinese and I absolutely LOVE the color palette, I hope they keep it forever :).

afinch1992
Aug 18, 2013, 12:00 AM
i like it much better than ios6. to each their own

SakuraSuki
Aug 18, 2013, 12:03 AM
Oh that's funny, I'm Asian and Chinese and I absolutely LOVE the color palette, I hope they keep it forever :).

No, I am absolutely hate this colour palette. Look at the big red music icon, big green phone icon, go damn awful Game Centre icon. The whole OS is too bright to look good. I am much more prefer old set of colour palette. iOS 6 at least not look this childish to me

Tamagotchi
Aug 18, 2013, 12:12 AM
Apple backing off? Don't doubt it, mate. They'd feel too ashamed

I think it's time to go android :p

I already did... 4 days ago infact :D. Nexus 4 with stock Android... and... I'm AMAZED by it! I cannot believe I disregarded and criticized Android so much in the past. It's actually blowing my mind, it is way ahead of iOS, even ahead of iOS 7 too with all it's new features. And the best part, is the liberty Android offers me, I can do almost anything :D Loving the experience so far :D

i haven't seen one of these threads in a while. Thanks TC

That's because people who don't like the changes in iOS7 have already moved on. The ones that remain in the forums are those that love iOS7 and get a little tingle in their dingle just from thinking and waiting (and waiting...) for it to be released - sad IMO.

ionjohn
Aug 18, 2013, 12:12 AM
Oh that's funny, I'm Asian and Chinese and I absolutely LOVE the color palette, I hope they keep it forever :).

Girls are supposed to love girly colours haha

aimee.elizabeth
Aug 18, 2013, 12:26 AM
No, I am absolutely hate this colour palette. Look at the big red music icon, big green phone icon, go damn awful Game Centre icon. The whole OS is too bright to look good. I am much more prefer old set of colour palette. iOS 6 at least not look this childish to me

Well it's been 2 months so they probably won't change it, and I'm so glad :) maybe you can make the switch.

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Girls are supposed to love girly colours haha

True, I've seen many posts regarding people's girlfriends/wives/daughters loving iOS 7 :p

Cougarcat
Aug 18, 2013, 12:53 AM
True, I've seen many posts regarding people's girlfriends/wives/daughters loving iOS 7 :p

I showed my mother the green toggles and she said, "eeeew..." But she isn't exactly typical, she calls flowers "weeds" and rings "rocks"....

LadyX
Aug 18, 2013, 12:57 AM
Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

Not going to happen :)

tkwolf
Aug 18, 2013, 01:15 AM
I like the colors.

Macman45
Aug 18, 2013, 01:21 AM
I'm way less interested in the colours, and far more concerned about function. I actually don't mind the pastel shades, they will probably be easier on the eye when used for prolonged periods of time too.

kaielement
Aug 18, 2013, 01:36 AM
Been using iOS 7 beta and so far I love it. Also I am an Asian American so maybe that explains it. lol

lsutigerfan1976
Aug 18, 2013, 03:10 AM
I am not a fan of the pastels and the general color scheme and icons etc. But I guess since I have used iOS 7 for so long, I have gotten used to it. So now it's like whatever. It does not bother me as much.

Virginaustralia
Aug 18, 2013, 03:17 AM
They dont look girly they are general colours but easier on the eyes i guess

KeanosMagicHat
Aug 18, 2013, 03:33 AM
One things for sure, they're unprofessional.

acorntoy
Aug 18, 2013, 05:24 AM
I'm sick of people labeling ****ing colors. It's a color. Get over it. It looks completely fine after a day or two when you get used to it. If you still feel insecure I invite you to stop using the phone and make sure everything you own is pitch black so you feel more secure with yourself.

/feedingthetroll

Springsteen
Aug 18, 2013, 05:30 AM
Grow up.


Anyone who base their masculinity in the colors of their operating system should seriously reconsider their opinions.

Skika
Aug 18, 2013, 05:40 AM
I actually really like the new colours palette. Dark and wannabe pro is the past, lively and fun is the future trend :p

haydn!
Aug 18, 2013, 06:01 AM
I'm a manly cowboy and I prefer the new colors and patterns. :D

After Brokeback Mountain, that stands for nothing these days! :D

brendu
Aug 18, 2013, 07:10 AM
Apple (http://creativebits.org/files/500px-Apple_Computer_Logo.svg_.png) likes (http://www.article-3.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/imac_flowershot.jpg) colorful (http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/88/59/09/60/0088590960969_500X500.jpg) products (http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-iPod-nano-colors-001.jpg)

DariusX
Aug 18, 2013, 07:24 AM
I already did... 4 days ago infact :D. Nexus 4 with stock Android... and... I'm AMAZED by it! I cannot believe I disregarded and criticized Android so much in the past. It's actually blowing my mind, it is way ahead of iOS, even ahead of iOS 7 too with all it's new features. And the best part, is the liberty Android offers me, I can do almost anything :D Loving the experience so far :D



Cool story bro.

ErikGrim
Aug 18, 2013, 08:03 AM
Grow up.


Anyone who base their masculinity in the colors of their operating system should seriously reconsider their opinions.Quoted for posterity and can you get the feck over your misogynist 50s views? It's embarrassing everyone here.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 08:12 AM
http://www.blogiversity.org/blogs/willburns1/34681_scr.jpg

All icons look different. There were already flat icons to begin with, so I didn't care.

Drunken Master
Aug 18, 2013, 08:40 AM
I've seen some iOS 7 mockups that are very flat and use iOS 6's color scheme and they look a bit dull.

Zerilos
Aug 18, 2013, 09:58 AM
One things for sure, they're unprofessional.

By what standard?

darngooddesign
Aug 18, 2013, 10:31 AM
That's because people who don't like the changes in iOS7 have already moved on. The ones that remain in the forums are those that love iOS7 and get a little tingle in their dingle just from thinking and waiting (and waiting...) for it to be released - sad IMO.

Android really is the perfect place for people who say "tingle in their dingle".

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Quoted for posterity and can you get the feck over your misogynist 50s views? It's embarrassing everyone here.

Nothing In his post was misogynistic.

KeanosMagicHat
Aug 18, 2013, 10:32 AM
By what standard?

Unless you work for a company where everyone sits around on beanbags all the time, they're not corporate.

By far the worst aspect of iOS 7.

darngooddesign
Aug 18, 2013, 10:33 AM
Unless you work for a company where everyone sits around on beanbags all the time, they're not corporate.

By far the worst aspect of iOS 7.

You're incorrect, but if you're concerned stop passing your phone around to the other directors.

matty.p
Aug 18, 2013, 10:38 AM
It's design everyone will think of it differently. Calling some 'girly' or 'unprofessional' is simply a standard you personally believe while others could see it in an entirely different way an both would be right because it is inherently subjective.

Flat doesn't have to equal the color scheme that they chose but it's what they did choose. If it bothers someone so much then I would recommend they go somewhere else. But for the 99% who want a phone that is functional, looks great they will be happy by the improvements to the UI.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 10:45 AM
Maybe Apple wanted to keep the iPhone out of corporate people's hands. Could you imagine the military using this?

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/06/18/apple-wwdc-2013-keynote-ios7-hero-0418_610x488.jpg

aimee.elizabeth
Aug 18, 2013, 11:10 AM
Maybe Apple wanted to keep the iPhone out of corporate people's hands. Could you imagine the military using this?

Image (http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/06/18/apple-wwdc-2013-keynote-ios7-hero-0418_610x488.jpg)

If men in the military can dance naked to Call Me Maybe, then yeah I can see them using this.

Bear
Aug 18, 2013, 11:18 AM
Maybe Apple wanted to keep the iPhone out of corporate people's hands. Could you imagine the military using this?

Image (http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/06/18/apple-wwdc-2013-keynote-ios7-hero-0418_610x488.jpg)Real men wouldn't be bothered by that or pastel colors as they would be secure in who they are and funky colors on a phone wouldn't change that.

Also, not all people in the military are guys.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 11:45 AM
Real men wouldn't be bothered by that or pastel colors as they would be secure in who they are and funky colors on a phone wouldn't change that.

Also, not all people in the military are guys.
I'm talking about while working. Or even in the medical setting. It's seems like it would be distracting.

http://images.apple.com/lae/iphone/business/profiles/daiichi-sankyo/images/sidebar_ds_apps.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/hrklk5.jpg

aimee.elizabeth
Aug 18, 2013, 12:17 PM
I'm talking about while working. Or even in the medical setting. It's seems like it would be distracting.

Image (http://images.apple.com/lae/iphone/business/profiles/daiichi-sankyo/images/sidebar_ds_apps.jpg)

Image (http://i39.tinypic.com/hrklk5.jpg)

Why would they be using phones while working or especially in a medical setting, at all? Seems like they've got more important things to do than to fiddle with their phones.

iCarabma
Aug 18, 2013, 12:25 PM
This is the most troll-y topic ever.

Seriously, stop feeding the trolls.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 12:31 PM
Why would they be using phones while working or especially in a medical setting, at all? Seems like they've got more important things to do than to fiddle with their phones.

You don't have a corporate job do you.

aimee.elizabeth
Aug 18, 2013, 02:26 PM
You don't have a corporate job do you.

Nope

Parise
Aug 18, 2013, 02:31 PM
I don't get it. I absolutely love the look of this revision. Makes ios 6 look horrid. Functionality is a different story.

madsci954
Aug 18, 2013, 02:49 PM
I'm talking about while working. Or even in the medical setting. It's seems like it would be distracting.

Image (http://images.apple.com/lae/iphone/business/profiles/daiichi-sankyo/images/sidebar_ds_apps.jpg)

Image (http://i39.tinypic.com/hrklk5.jpg)

I would think a wallpaper would be more distracting then the icons.

brendu
Aug 18, 2013, 03:08 PM
Unless you work for a company where everyone sits around on beanbags all the time, they're not corporate.

By far the worst aspect of iOS 7.

Corporations don't give a **** about colors of the OS. They care about quality, apps, and most of all security. Apple does a good job at these things which is why some corporations choose to use the iPhone.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 03:33 PM
I don't get it. I absolutely love the look of this revision. Makes ios 6 look horrid. Functionality is a different story.

So do you hate the look of OS X too? It takes after iOS 6.

Paddle1
Aug 18, 2013, 04:14 PM
It looks good with the right wallpaper, but I think people will be bored of the design in 3 or so years.

bjb.butler
Aug 18, 2013, 04:31 PM
I'm talking about while working. Or even in the medical setting. It's seems like it would be distracting.

Distracting to whom??:confused:

Parise
Aug 18, 2013, 04:41 PM
So do you hate the look of OS X too? It takes after iOS 6.

Straw man

DariusX
Aug 18, 2013, 05:17 PM
Maybe Apple wanted to keep the iPhone out of corporate people's hands. Could you imagine the military using this?

Image (http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/06/18/apple-wwdc-2013-keynote-ios7-hero-0418_610x488.jpg)

let it go will ya?
If you don't like it, switch platform, whining on forums 24/7 wont change anything.
BTW, once you change that wallpaper to something with darker colors, iOS 7 looks excellent.

AngerDanger
Aug 18, 2013, 05:45 PM
We live in a time where people talk to others around the world using handheld computers which push electrical currents through refined sand. We also complain about colors being manly or girly. Can we just drop the useless vestiges of our cultures and make room for more awesome tech? :)

http://creativebits.org/files/500px-Apple_Computer_Logo.svg_.png

Gogurt48
Aug 18, 2013, 06:04 PM
BTW, once you change that wallpaper to something with darker colors, iOS 7 looks excellent.

That's an excellent point. More than any previous iOS version, this one is a chameleon that changes its appearance quite a bit with a simple change of wallpaper.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 06:20 PM
It's too early to tell what iOS 7 really is. I'm not knocking it.

Krevnik
Aug 18, 2013, 06:30 PM
So do you hate the look of OS X too? It takes after iOS 6.

You mean OS X which pre-dates iOS and was the inspiration for iOS (not the other way around)? Not only is it a straw man, it isn't even true.

What I'm confused by is why folks are really surprised at iOS 7's look when Jony Ive is also known for design like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

and the same designers who brought us OS X's original look:

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosx100

There was always the chance that concepts like what the original iMac and OS X used would make some sort of comeback. I'm just surprised they had to punt Forestall to the curb before it did.

bnnentertainmen
Aug 18, 2013, 06:31 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

or at least the jailbreak offers us some options like that.

skottichan
Aug 18, 2013, 06:31 PM
Nothing In his post was misogynistic.

Actually, using "girly" to denote something's worth in a negative way, is the definition of misogynistic.


Also, to everyone calling it "pastel". IT'S NOT PASTEL! Pastel (in definition of color tone) is light and soft.

The word you're looking for is "saturated".

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 06:51 PM
You mean OS X which pre-dates iOS and was the inspiration for iOS (not the other way around)? Not only is it a straw man, it isn't even true.

What I'm confused by is why folks are really surprised at iOS 7's look when Jony Ive is also known for design like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

and the same designers who brought us OS X's original look:

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosx100

There was always the chance that concepts like what the original iMac and OS X used would make some sort of comeback. I'm just surprised they had to punt Forestall to the curb before it did.

Interesting. I may like iOS 7 if I can understand it.

iOS and OS X are now being divorced. Which is the opposite of how they pitched OS X Mountain Lion when it came out.

OS X Mountain Lion makes your Mac more like your iPhone

iMessage on Mac. Many people have been asking for this, and finally we’re going to get it. The Messages app, which will appear very familiar to iOS users, replaces iChat. It’ll let you start a conversation on a Mac and continue it on a different device, like your iPhone or iPad.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/os-x-mountain-lion-makes-mac-more-iphone-190456481.html

Straw man or not, it's true. How can you say iOS 7 makes iOS 6 look bad, and continue to humbly use OS X, which has design iOS 6 design cues?

It doesn't matter really, I just think it's hypocritical.

Cougarcat
Aug 18, 2013, 07:08 PM
Interesting. I may like iOS 7 if I can understand it.

iOS and OS X are now being divorced. Which is the opposite of how they pitched OS X Mountain Lion when it came out.

OS X Mountain Lion makes your Mac more like your iPhone

iMessage on Mac. Many people have been asking for this, and finally we’re going to get it. The Messages app, which will appear very familiar to iOS users, replaces iChat. It’ll let you start a conversation on a Mac and continue it on a different device, like your iPhone or iPad.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/os-x-mountain-lion-makes-mac-more-iphone-190456481.html

Straw man or not, it's true. How can you say iOS 7 makes iOS 6 look bad, and continue to humbly use OS X, which has design iOS 6 design cues?

It doesn't matter really, I just think it's hypocritical.

It depends on what aspect of iOS 7 specifically you think make iOS 6 look bad. The overt similarities of OS X and iOS. 6 are in the skeuomorphism, which is going away in Mavericks.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 07:20 PM
It depends on what aspect of iOS 7 specifically you think make iOS 6 look bad. The overt similarities of OS X and iOS. 6 are in the skeuomorphism, which is going away in Mavericks.

I'm cool with that. I was getting tired of linen, weren't you? And all that chrome.

But you know what I'm really glad that's going away? When developers make their apps look like boxes! :D

http://i40.tinypic.com/alke12.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2hd0e0x.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/24xglcj.jpg

Haha bye bye and good riddance!

mKTank
Aug 18, 2013, 07:24 PM
I already did... 4 days ago infact :D. Nexus 4 with stock Android... and... I'm AMAZED by it! I cannot believe I disregarded and criticized Android so much in the past. It's actually blowing my mind, it is way ahead of iOS, even ahead of iOS 7 too with all it's new features. And the best part, is the liberty Android offers me, I can do almost anything :D Loving the experience so far :D



That's because people who don't like the changes in iOS7 have already moved on. The ones that remain in the forums are those that love iOS7 and get a little tingle in their dingle just from thinking and waiting (and waiting...) for it to be released - sad IMO.

You picked the wrong Android phone. Hope you love 3G forever.

lunaoso
Aug 18, 2013, 07:30 PM
I think the stock wallpaper was the worst choice apple could have chose as a marketing picture. The pink and circles in the back give it a "childish" appearance. Using a different wallpaper really changes it up and gives the icons a much better "pop".

Gogurt48
Aug 18, 2013, 07:49 PM
Actually, using "girly" to denote something's worth in a negative way, is the definition of misogynistic.

First of all, the OP wasn't commenting on the UI's "worth," he was using "girly" as an adjective to describe the UI's color palette. If you've ever been to the Barbie aisle at the toy store, you know that iOS 7's color palette is, indeed, reminiscent of the color palette favored by little girls.

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/Phillip413/Barbie-Aisle-Blade-2.jpg

"Misogynistic" means, "reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women." OP has an eight-year-old daughter. I doubt he hates her. And it's not misogynistic to wish that his smart phone interface wasn't colored like her toys.

skottichan
Aug 18, 2013, 07:58 PM
First of all, the OP wasn't commenting on the UI's "worth," he was using "girly" as an adjective to describe the UI's color palette. If you've ever been to the Barbie aisle at the toy store, you know that iOS 7's color palette is, indeed, reminiscent of the color palette favored by little girls.

Image (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/Phillip413/Barbie-Aisle-Blade-2.jpg)

"Misogynistic" means, "reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women." OP has an eight-year-old daughter. I doubt he hates her. And it's not misogynistic to wish that his smart phone interface wasn't colored like her toys.

Yes, because misogynists can't have daughters or wives. The whole first post was him calling the colors "ugly" which is a negative reference, and his use of "girly" as a pejorative in the title, screams "boo, I don't want this, because it's girly". Which is misogynistic.


Secondly, there is ZERO in iOS7 that's "girly" and this is from a woman who grew up on Barbie and Jem. The colors are saturated, which would be more akin to this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1OaImXuhQII/UGFLCWj6AII/AAAAAAAAByo/StexeM0CWwA/s400/legos.jpg


They're saturated primary (secondary & tertiary) colors. Just like Lego. They're not pastel, they're not Barbie colored (which is generally pastel and hyper-saturated pinks).

darngooddesign
Aug 18, 2013, 08:11 PM
Actually, using "girly" to denote something's worth in a negative way, is the definition of misogynistic.

Pay attention to what is being quoted before making your statement.

Grow up. Anyone who base their masculinity in the colors of their operating system should seriously reconsider their opinions.

Quoted for posterity and can you get the feck over your misogynist 50s views? It's embarrassing everyone here.

Springsteen didn't say anything misogynistic, and ErikGrim didn't say girly.

matty.p
Aug 18, 2013, 08:20 PM
If men in the military can dance naked to Call Me Maybe, then yeah I can see them using this.

As someone who works in the military, and with many of the people developing military iOS apps I can guarantee you they could care less how it looks. They use all propriety apps that are locked down and built specifically for the task at hand. They only care about function and could care less what it looks like.

PS The number of times I've seen marines or sailors with bright pink hello kitties on the back of their cars you would realize that the military isn't as 'butch' as you would probably think.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 08:28 PM
As someone who works in the military, and with many of the people developing military iOS apps I can guarantee you they could care less how it looks. They use all propriety apps that are locked down and built specifically for the task at hand. They only care about function and could care less what it looks like.

PS The number of times I've seen marines or sailors with bright pink hello kitties on the back of their cars you would realize that the military isn't as 'butch' as you would probably think.

Oh I know. I'm in the military. I know that very well.

It's funny you should mention Hello Kitty though, because the design looks just like it.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/9b808b286c8db578697a9e755ad6aff1/tumblr_mp7wt9wF5n1r9wvqoo1_500.jpg
http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios7-homescreen1.jpg
http://fontgirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cotton-candy-cupcakes.jpg

Gogurt48
Aug 18, 2013, 08:29 PM
Yes, because misogynists can't have daughters or wives. The whole first post was him calling the colors "ugly" which is a negative reference, and his use of "girly" as a pejorative in the title, screams "boo, I don't want this, because it's girly". Which is misogynistic.

Well, obviously we perceived different things from OP's post. I understood him to say he doesn't like the iOS 7 color palette, not that he doesn't like women.

When I look at this:

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/Phillip413/iOS-7-Home-screen.jpg

I can see why someone might describe it as "girly." But I think it's possible to dislike those colors without disliking girls, and I do not think it follows that if you dislike those colors, you necessarily dislike them because they're "girly." Maybe you just don't like those colors.

Secondly, there is ZERO in iOS7 that's "girly" and this is from a woman who grew up on Barbie and Jem. The colors are saturated, which would be more akin to this:

Image (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1OaImXuhQII/UGFLCWj6AII/AAAAAAAAByo/StexeM0CWwA/s400/legos.jpg)


They're saturated primary (secondary & tertiary) colors. Just like Lego. They're not pastel, they're not Barbie colored (which is generally pastel and hyper-saturated pinks).

Well, some are, some aren't. The iTunes Store icon is "Barbie colored," if you ask me. Others, like Weather and Mail, aren't, though. Also, as I mentioned in another post, iOS 7 is a bit of a chameleon. Its appearance can be changed quite a bit just by changing the wallpaper.

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 08:32 PM
iOS 7 looks good in the right light though.

http://www.jeypreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios_7_iphone_homescreen.jpg

ErikGrim
Aug 18, 2013, 08:45 PM
Well, some are, some aren't. The iTunes Store icon is "Barbie colored," if you ask me.

Funny. I see "girly" like this.

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/358/9/7/gta_vice_city_girl__wallpaper__by_tdeleeuw-d5ozqj6.png

DariusX
Aug 18, 2013, 09:48 PM
Oh I know. I'm in the military. I know that very well.

It's funny you should mention Hello Kitty though, because the design looks just like it.

Image (http://24.media.tumblr.com/9b808b286c8db578697a9e755ad6aff1/tumblr_mp7wt9wF5n1r9wvqoo1_500.jpg)
Image (http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios7-homescreen1.jpg)
Image (http://fontgirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/cotton-candy-cupcakes.jpg)

You are a sad sad person if things like icons that you can hide in a folder are bothering you to the point that you need to justify your whining on a forum every hour. Get a grip.

Krevnik
Aug 18, 2013, 10:02 PM
Interesting. I may like iOS 7 if I can understand it.

iOS and OS X are now being divorced. Which is the opposite of how they pitched OS X Mountain Lion when it came out.

OS X Mountain Lion makes your Mac more like your iPhone

iMessage on Mac. Many people have been asking for this, and finally we’re going to get it. The Messages app, which will appear very familiar to iOS users, replaces iChat. It’ll let you start a conversation on a Mac and continue it on a different device, like your iPhone or iPad.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/os-x-mountain-lion-makes-mac-more-iphone-190456481.html

Straw man or not, it's true. How can you say iOS 7 makes iOS 6 look bad, and continue to humbly use OS X, which has design iOS 6 design cues?

It doesn't matter really, I just think it's hypocritical.

You speak as if I actually have a horse in this race. I haven't ever said that iOS 7 makes iOS 6 look bad myself. I just don't agree with your arguments.

OS X's "design cues" taken from iOS come primarily in the form of features: Notifications, Launchpad, Reminders, etc. And not even all of them work well on the desktop, IMO (especially Launchpad). Some new apps like iMessages and Reminders do use a common look to the iOS version though (although Messages on iOS copied the iChat look first), and those have been fixed in 10.9 (no more linen, no more skueomorphism).

So assuming I do like iOS 7 over iOS 6, I don't have any reason to ditch OS X for the same reason, and there is no hypocrisy. It's a bit like going up to someone who will drink grape and orange Fanta, but won't drink strawberry... and then calling them a hypocrite because it is still Fanta. Doesn't mean it tastes the same at all, even if their basic water/sugar content is identical. The flavoring, albeit a detail, is still kinda important.

ajvizzgamer101
Aug 18, 2013, 10:18 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

They actually come from the fashion kids and 20 years old wear. They want to appeal to them.

The back to school ad proves this: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/campaigns/back_to_school

veneto
Aug 18, 2013, 10:46 PM
You speak as if I actually have a horse in this race. I haven't ever said that iOS 7 makes iOS 6 look bad myself. I just don't agree with your arguments.

OS X's "design cues" taken from iOS come primarily in the form of features: Notifications, Launchpad, Reminders, etc. And not even all of them work well on the desktop, IMO (especially Launchpad). Some new apps like iMessages and Reminders do use a common look to the iOS version though (although Messages on iOS copied the iChat look first), and those have been fixed in 10.9 (no more linen, no more skueomorphism).

So assuming I do like iOS 7 over iOS 6, I don't have any reason to ditch OS X for the same reason, and there is no hypocrisy. It's a bit like going up to someone who will drink grape and orange Fanta, but won't drink strawberry... and then calling them a hypocrite because it is still Fanta. Doesn't mean it tastes the same at all, even if their basic water/sugar content is identical. The flavoring, albeit a detail, is still kinda important.
Well if "flat is where it's at" then OS X is not flat enough. Not directed at you but.


As someone who works in the military, and with many of the people developing military iOS apps I can guarantee you they could care less how it looks. They use all propriety apps that are locked down and built specifically for the task at hand. They only care about function and could care less what it looks like.

PS The number of times I've seen marines or sailors with bright pink hello kitties on the back of their cars you would realize that the military isn't as 'butch' as you would probably think.
They may not say it, but unintelligible design makes it to the bottom line. iOS 7 gets away with it because it's basically iOS 6 with less detail. That's all. We already know it works.

Everything is pretty much the same except they just erased the detail. Which I don't really care because less to look at. It's not that different.

omgwut
Aug 18, 2013, 11:28 PM
There's a few color decisions I REALLY dig in iOS 7, but I mostly agree with you OP. The off-white & salmon red color scheme in the Music app and the gradient on its icon for example look killer. The matte green & blue hues in the Messages app chat bubbles are nice, too. The frosted translucent alerts are sweet as well.

Some of them though, like those icons for Reminders, Contacts & Notes... what the hell. Yuck. Doesn't give me much hope that they will be changed for the master release if they haven't already been by this point either. An inconsistently applied design vision is all I can call it.

MattInOz
Aug 19, 2013, 12:56 AM
I think the stock wallpaper was the worst choice apple could have chose as a marketing picture. The pink and circles in the back give it a "childish" appearance. Using a different wallpaper really changes it up and gives the icons a much better "pop".

The odd thing is that being cleaner it also allows the background image to be more vivid. iOS 6 I always ended up going back to black and white or dark backgrounds but with iOS 7 I'm finding Holiday landscape photos work really well behind the new icons.

redbeard331
Aug 19, 2013, 03:35 AM
You are a sad sad person if things like icons that you can hide in a folder are bothering you to the point that you need to justify your whining on a forum every hour. Get a grip.

What's sad is that some people get so offended if someone criticizes their favorite corporation that they result to insults.

IOS 7 just looks plain terrible, to everyone outside of the famous Apple fanboys that is. And boy are they losing their collective minds in defense of it.

tkermit
Aug 19, 2013, 04:03 AM
What I'm confused by is why folks are really surprised at iOS 7's look when Jony Ive is also known for design like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

Or this. It's European! :cool:

iCole
Aug 19, 2013, 04:15 AM
IOS 7 just looks plain terrible, to everyone outside of the famous Apple fanboys that is.
Nope. I like it. My gf likes it. Friends of mine like it. And we all like Apple but aren't really fanboys. The pastel background is a bit much imo but women are going to love it. And it's easy to change so I don't really see the problem. Its kind of unisex if you look at it. Starts at blue, goes to pink. :)

KeanosMagicHat
Aug 19, 2013, 04:30 AM
. . . I like it. My gf likes it. Friends of mine like it . . .

Reminds me of John Candy in, "Planes, Trains and Automobiles"

:)

Tamagotchi
Aug 19, 2013, 01:02 PM
You picked the wrong Android phone. Hope you love 3G forever.

$300, and the Nexus 5 coming out in 2 months for the same price. I mean, who wouldn't upgrade with that Spec to Price offer Google makes :D

omgwut
Aug 19, 2013, 01:24 PM
Or this. It's European! :cool:
dem dad jeans

MVRL
Aug 19, 2013, 03:32 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

your daughter must be an artist!! is she taking lessons?

notrack
Aug 19, 2013, 04:01 PM
You mean OS X which pre-dates iOS and was the inspiration for iOS (not the other way around)? Not only is it a straw man, it isn't even true.

What I'm confused by is why folks are really surprised at iOS 7's look when Jony Ive is also known for design like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

and the same designers who brought us OS X's original look:

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosx100

There was always the chance that concepts like what the original iMac and OS X used would make some sort of comeback. I'm just surprised they had to punt Forestall to the curb before it did.

Well, I would have expected that he had moved on since then. Maybe he's still in the 80s. Or thinks retro is cool enough to be mainstream. :D

.

Damolee
Aug 19, 2013, 04:11 PM
Do a youtube search for Gigglebellies Old McDonald had a farm. I posted it before, but they thought I was just trolling.

I'm telling you, the colour palette was identical. LOL

And some of their others too.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gigglebellies+old+macdonald&oq=gigglebellies+old&gs_l=youtube.3.0.0l2.1741.4011.0.5215.17.10.0.7.7.0.83.508.10.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.wjInCnS5 CGo

Papajuice
Aug 19, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jobs would have nothing to do with a gold phone and ios7 colors. Apple has took an executive look and feel and turned it into a romper room phone.

cwosigns
Aug 19, 2013, 05:40 PM
These new icons look fine but the colors... Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them in coloring book or something.

Here's to hoping we get some different color schemes.

You realize that when you spout sexist language you lose all credibility, right? You may want to reconsider your choice of words to describe colors. There is nothing inherently feminine or masculine about colors.

Trius
Aug 19, 2013, 08:08 PM
Wait.. what's this about icons? Are they different..?

Papajuice
Aug 19, 2013, 08:09 PM
You realize that when you spout sexist language you lose all credibility, right? You may want to reconsider your choice of words to describe colors. There is nothing inherently feminine or masculine about colors.

"Spout sexist language" pretty strong words...

Having a baby? Pink or blue
Black Friday
Red and blue on a faucet

Guess just some loose associations, maybe take things less literally

JohnGrey
Aug 19, 2013, 08:28 PM
What I'm confused by is why folks are really surprised at iOS 7's look when Jony Ive is also known for design like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it reported that Ive had handed over design of the icons to a marketing team. Admittedly, I haven't really stayed abreast of iOS rumors.

Gogurt48
Aug 19, 2013, 09:22 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it reported that Ive had handed over design of the icons to a marketing team. Admittedly, I haven't really stayed abreast of iOS rumors.

"Let me try, Boss. I always wanted to design a icon."

(Some of you older folks will get that)

cwosigns
Aug 19, 2013, 11:40 PM
"Spout sexist language" pretty strong words...

Having a baby? Pink or blue
Black Friday
Red and blue on a faucet

Guess just some loose associations, maybe take things less literally

He used "girly" to indicate less than favorable. That is inherently sexist.

ErikGrim
Aug 20, 2013, 12:06 AM
Jobs would have nothing to do with a gold phone and ios7 colors. Apple has took an executive look and feel and turned it into a romper room phone.

How can you even post this after this image was posted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_G3_flavors.jpg

Maybe these will give you a refresher in Apple and its relationship with colours? Under Steve Jobs.

http://touque.ca/EC/students/RadhakrishnaK/Images/imac_flowershot.jpeg
http://www.applebits.net/images/products/dt/g3/dtg3is.jpg
http://www.forevermac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/picture-6.png
http://static.davidreport.com/2007/01/ipod-shuffle-five.jpg
http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/245662/iPod_Touch_colors_edit.png
http://gadgets.elliottback.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ipod-mini.jpg
http://mgtxmattmedia.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ipod-accessories-ipod-21.jpg

JohnGrey
Aug 20, 2013, 08:07 AM
"Let me try, Boss. I always wanted to design a icon."

(Some of you older folks will get that)

Oh, man, that's really going to date some of us, but I can very much see the iOS icons coming from someone with that kind of aesthetic sense.

Truly I don't begrudge anyone that likes iOS 7. I know that, for a lot of people, the degree of change exhibited far outweighs any faults that they or others might perceive. I personally don't dislike all of it. Some of the UI choices are very refreshing. With some spacing tweaks and a more appropriate design language to the delineating elements, the frosted glass/whitesspace-heavy format could be far more compelling than the skeumorphism of previous iterations.

But to me, as to many others, the icons are atrocious, and I personally have a difficult time in believing that Ive is responsible. Looking back over his work, there are three principles that stand out: simplicity, consistency and proportionality. I see none of those in the icons.

Parise
Aug 20, 2013, 02:37 PM
He used "girly" to indicate less than favorable. That is inherently sexist.

Don't see the word "Girly" anywhere in that post.

Seriously, stop being so sensitive.

Zerilos
Aug 20, 2013, 02:43 PM
Don't see the word "Girly" anywhere in that post.

Seriously, stop being so sensitive.

Actually, he did use it in the title of the thread. It's still there.

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 02:46 PM
Don't see the word "Girly" anywhere in that post.

Seriously, stop being so sensitive.

It's the title of the entire thread. And I'm not being sensitive. And even if I were, I wouldn't have to stop being sensitive at your behest or anyone else's. One of the principles by which I live my life is to promote justice and equality. Using "girly" as an adjective to describe something one finds distasteful is sexist. I was just pointing that out. Maybe he wasn't aware.

Seriously, what's wrong with learning?

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
It's the title of the entire thread. And I'm not being sensitive. And even if I were, I wouldn't have to stop being sensitive at your behest or anyone else's. One of the principles by which I live my life is to promote justice and equality. Using "girly" as an adjective to describe something one finds distasteful is sexist. I was just pointing that out. Maybe he wasn't aware.

Seriously, what's wrong with learning?

You are being sensitive. And PC. And ridiculous. And wrong.

Women do like different colors then men. Fashion sales show this. You can argue all want, cry all you want, but in the end, the sexes are different. DEAL WITH IT.

Paddle1
Aug 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
You are being sensitive. And PC. And ridiculous. And wrong.

Women do like different colors then men. Fashion sales show this. You can argue all want, cry all you want, but in the end, the sexes are different. DEAL WITH IT.

No, everybody has different colors that they like.

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 03:04 PM
You are being sensitive. And PC. And ridiculous. And wrong.

Women do like different colors then men. Fashion sales show this. You can argue all want, cry all you want, but in the end, the sexes are different. DEAL WITH IT.

Sensitive? Nope. Ridiculous? Not even. Wrong? Nope.

You, on the other hand, are making broad generalizations to support your argument. Yes, there are differences between sexes. But you (and the OP) are perpetuating antiquated gender stereotypes based on sex, and I disagree.

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 03:06 PM
You realize that when you spout sexist language you lose all credibility, right? You may want to reconsider your choice of words to describe colors. There is nothing inherently feminine or masculine about colors.

Oh rly?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12512-women-may-be-hardwired-to-prefer-pink.html#.UhPLPRbvzX8

That pesky science must all be sexist right? How about the sales of pink for women versus pink for men?

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Sensitive? Nope. Ridiculous? Not even. Wrong? Nope.

You, on the other hand, are making broad generalizations to support your argument. Yes, there are differences between sexes. But you (and the OP) are perpetuating antiquated gender stereotypes based on sex, and I disagree.

Mine are based on facts, not broad assumptions based on being politically correct, and then calling everyone who disagrees 'sexist'.

BaldiMac
Aug 20, 2013, 03:10 PM
Oh rly?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12512-women-may-be-hardwired-to-prefer-pink.html#.UhPLPRbvzX8

That pesky science must all be sexist right? How about the sales of pink for women versus pink for men?

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Mine are based on facts, not broad assumptions based on being politically correct, and then calling everyone who disagrees 'sexist'.

There is nothing sexist about the science or the facts. Describing colors as "girly" is not sexist. Using "girly" as a derogative, like the OP did, is sexist.

Tyler23
Aug 20, 2013, 03:11 PM
Oh rly?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12512-women-may-be-hardwired-to-prefer-pink.html#.UhPLPRbvzX8

That pesky science must all be sexist right? How about the sales of pink for women versus pink for men?

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Mine are based on facts, not broad assumptions based on being politically correct, and then calling everyone who disagrees 'sexist'.

Why did you start a new thread when this one already exists? (and you're even posting in it.)

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 03:12 PM
There is nothing sexist about the science or the facts. Describing colors as "girly" is not sexist. Using "girly" as a derogative, like the OP did, is sexist.

Well then manly must be derogative as well right? I hear more women use girly then men.

You people need to stop looking for things to be pissed off about and enjoy life.

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 03:15 PM
There is nothing sexist about the science or the facts. Describing colors as "girly" is not sexist. Using "girly" as a derogative, like the OP did, is sexist.

This! The OP could have made his point completely clear without the use of the word girly. But instead, he chose to use it as a derogatory descriptor of pastel. I was just pointing that out.

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Well then manly must be derogative as well right? I hear more women use girly then men.

You people need to stop looking for things to be pissed off about and enjoy life.

You people? Care to elaborate?

I don't see anyone pissed off. As an aware person, I find the world is a better place when more people are more aware.

zemaker
Aug 20, 2013, 03:15 PM
Color me confused (no pun intended)...how exactly does a colorful UI mean "girly". The current design trend is bold colors, go outside and look at the latest fashion, phones, and what have you and you'll see the trend. Apple is updating to reflect the latest trends.

BaldiMac
Aug 20, 2013, 03:16 PM
Well then manly must be derogative as well right?

Again, it depends on how you use it.

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 03:16 PM
So now we've moved from if colors are sexist (By science proving it) to saying 'girly' is sexist? So what exactly makes the word 'girly' sexist?

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 03:17 PM
So now we've moved from if colors are sexist (By science proving it) to saying 'girly' is sexist? So what exactly makes the word 'girly' sexist?

BaldiMac already explained that to you. Or you could get a dictionary and look up "sexism." And while you're in there, check out the entries on "then" and "than." You'll find they have different meanings as well.

Shrink
Aug 20, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jobs would have nothing to do with a gold phone and ios7 colors. Apple has took an executive look and feel and turned it into a romper room phone.

You speak with the dead, do you?

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 03:19 PM
BaldiMac already explained that to you. Or you could get a dictionary and look up "sexism." And while you're in there, check out the entries on "then" and "than." You'll find they have different meanings as well.

The politically correct definition of sexism? Or the real one? You may find different meanings as well.

C DM
Aug 20, 2013, 03:20 PM
There is nothing sexist about the science or the facts. Describing colors as "girly" is not sexist. Using "girly" as a derogative, like the OP did, is sexist.Isn't that what the use seems to be in this case, to describe colors? :confused:

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 03:23 PM
The politically correct definition of sexism? Or the real one? You may find different meanings as well.

I don't usually find politics in Merriam Webster.

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Isn't that what the use seems to be in this case, to describe colors? :confused:

Colors in and of themselves cannot express gender (girly-ness). He was using the term "girly" to describe something he finds distasteful.

BaldiMac
Aug 20, 2013, 03:24 PM
Isn't that what the use seems to be in this case, to describe colors? :confused:

Not in the context of the whole post.

Gogurt48
Aug 20, 2013, 03:26 PM
There is nothing sexist about the science or the facts. Describing colors as "girly" is not sexist. Using "girly" as a derogative, like the OP did, is sexist.

I'm confused. In the title of the thread, OP described the iOS 7 color palette as "girly pastel colors." Isn't that just describing colors as "girly"? I don't see where the derivative is. It's clear that OP doesn't like those colors, but surely failure to like "girly pastel colors" isn't necessarily sexist, is it?

Zellio
Aug 20, 2013, 03:27 PM
I don't usually find politics in Merriam Webster.

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Colors in and of themselves cannot express gender (girly-ness). He was using the term "girly" to describe something he finds distasteful.

Are you really like this all the time? The genders are different. I would call toning your body a girly thing to do, that doesn't mean I disrespect it.

I am a body builder, not a toner. I don't run until my body is a certain size (I do run though), I build my body.

But just because I'd call it girly doesn't mean I disrespect it, it means I prefer something else. I would not want someone who wants to get super big as a girl. I would want someone who likes pink, and tones their body, even if I don't like to wear it myself, or tone myself.

The sexes are NOT the same. They compliment each other. Learn that before continuing to complain.

Seriously, you are just complaining for the sake of it. Go outside, see how the real world works for once instead of complaining online.

Shrink
Aug 20, 2013, 03:30 PM
Are you really like this all the time? The genders are different. I would call toning your body a girly thing to do, that doesn't mean I disrespect it.

I am a body builder, not a toner. I don't run until my body is a certain size (I do run though), I build my body.

But just because I'd call it girly doesn't mean I disrespect it, it means I prefer something else. I would not want someone who wants to get super big as a girl. I would someone who likes pink, even if I don't like to wear it myself.

The sexes are NOT the same. They compliment each other. Learn that before continuing to complain.

Seriously, you are just complaining for the sake of it. Go outside, see how the real world works for once instead of complaining online.

While the genders are different, assigning an issue of taste to a particular gender is gross overgeneralization and stereotypy.

BaldiMac
Aug 20, 2013, 03:31 PM
I'm confused. In the title of the thread, OP described the iOS 7 color palette as "girly pastel colors." Isn't that just describing colors as "girly"? I don't see where the derivative is. It's clear that OP doesn't like those colors, but surely failure to like "girly pastel colors" isn't necessarily sexist, is it?

I think it's clear that he is using it as a derogative based on context.

1. The colors in iOS 7 are not predominantly the ones associated with women.
2. "Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them..." seems pretty straightforward to me. :)

C DM
Aug 20, 2013, 03:33 PM
Not in the context of the whole post.The context of the post appears to be that the poster doesn't like the colors, but it doesn't seem to make some sort of derogatory statement.

cwosigns
Aug 20, 2013, 03:34 PM
Are you really like this all the time? The genders are different. I would call toning your body a girly thing to do, that doesn't mean I disrespect it.

I am a body builder, not a toner. I don't run until my body is a certain size (I do run though), I build my body.

But just because I'd call it girly doesn't mean I disrespect it, it means I prefer something else. I would not want someone who wants to get super big as a girl. I would someone who likes pink, even if I don't like to wear it myself.

The sexes are NOT the same. They compliment each other. Learn that before continuing to complain.

Seriously, you are just complaining for the sake of it. Go outside, see how the real world works for once instead of complaining online.

I am sorry that you seem to lack the cognitive ability to understand the term sexism. In light of that, I'm not sure that it's beneficial to either of us to continue the conversation.

I wasn't complaining. I was just pointing something out. You're attributing emotion to my posts that isn't there. Like I said, I find the world to be a much better place when people are aware of how the choices they make are perceived by others. Perhaps the OP intended to be sexist. That is a choice he or she makes. I'm not in a position to change behavior. Awareness I can do. That was my only point.

C DM
Aug 20, 2013, 03:35 PM
I think it's clear that he is using it as a derogative based on context.

1. The colors in iOS 7 are not predominantly the ones associated with women.
2. "Ugh they look like my 8 year old daughter colored them..." seems pretty straightforward to me. :)1. Colors are "girly" as in description of the colors, which doesn't seem to be sexist, as you pointed out yourself.
2. The poster doesn't like those colors and uses a personal life example to bring a more vivid example of what they appear to him like.

Nothing seems derogatory.

BaldiMac
Aug 20, 2013, 03:35 PM
Are you really like this all the time? The genders are different. I would call toning your body a girly thing to do, that doesn't mean I disrespect it.

I am a body builder, not a toner. I don't run until my body is a certain size (I do run though), I build my body.

But just because I'd call it girly doesn't mean I disrespect it, it means I prefer something else. I would not want someone who wants to get super big as a girl. I would want someone who likes pink, and tones their body, even if I don't like to wear it myself, or tone myself.

The sexes are NOT the same. They compliment each other. Learn that before continuing to complain.

Seriously, you are just complaining for the sake of it. Go outside, see how the real world works for once instead of complaining online.

You seem to be ignoring the explanation that you already received. No one is saying that the sexes are the same.

As another example, there is nothing wrong with calling a gay man "gay". Using the word "gay" as an insult is offensive.

maflynn
Aug 20, 2013, 03:36 PM
[MOD NOTE]
This thread is off the rails - closing