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Gogurt48
Aug 23, 2013, 12:09 PM
Looks like no beta 7 today. With just over two weeks to go before we should see the GM, I'm becoming more and more convinced there won't be a beta 7. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I'd have liked one more beta before the GM.

Menel
Aug 23, 2013, 12:14 PM
Looks like no beta 7 today. With just over two weeks to go before we should see the GM, I'm becoming more and more convinced there won't be a beta 7. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I'd have liked one more beta before the GM.

There is usually a long gap from final beta to GM. No beta 7 and skipping straight to GM would be consistent with the past.

There is still Tues for Beta 7, which would leave nearly a two week gap for GM.

Unlikely though.

They aren't much concerned about devs anymore. Beta5/6 have been stable enough for app developer API testing purposes. Apple is in crunch mode internally to get manufacturing spun up. They like to launch devices within a week after announcement. That means they have already been churning out devices now for 2 months. They need GM internally ASAP to start loading onto all those devices.

Gogurt48
Aug 23, 2013, 12:16 PM
They aren't much concerned about devs anymore. Beta5/6 have been stable enough for app developer API testing purposes. Apple is in crunch mode internally to get manufacturing spun up. They like to launch devices within a week after announcement. That means they have already been churning out devices now for 2 months. They need GM internally ASAP to start loading onto all those devices.

That's a good point. They may feel they have a handle on all the outstanding bugs and they don't need any more input from us. They'll fix it, test it internally, and go to GM. I guess that's as likely a scenario as any.

lcmazza
Aug 23, 2013, 12:19 PM
Looks like no beta 7 today. With just over two weeks to go before we should see the GM, I'm becoming more and more convinced there won't be a beta 7. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I'd have liked one more beta before the GM.

I agree, except for the guessing that there won't be a Beta 7. I think that, if not today, then monday is a good candidate.

There is still a lot of FCs in iOS and recently updated apps. There's also some little lag here and there. We should be able to take a sneak peak at "a little more final" iOS 7 before GM.

Apple is choosing to launch a not so perfect iOS 7.0 and using it's workforce for iOS 7.1, though this is not very nice, because the market is not exactly "booming" right now, so the company should focus on launching the best iOS 7 version yet.

Also there were many UI changes since Beta 5 (Beta 6 was just a hotfix), then it would be nice to see how it evolved, as a developer and a consumer.

Zac7
Aug 23, 2013, 12:35 PM
I agree, except for the guessing that there won't be a Beta 7. I think that, if not today, then monday is a good candidate.

There is still a lot of FCs in iOS and recently updated apps. There's also some little lag here and there. We should be able to take a sneak peak at "a little more final" iOS 7 before GM.

Apple is choosing to launch a not so perfect iOS 7.0 and using it's workforce for iOS 7.1, though this is not very nice, because the market is not exactly "booming" right now, so the company should focus on launching the best iOS 7 version yet.

Also there were many UI changes since Beta 5 (Beta 6 was just a hotfix), then it would be nice to see how it evolved, as a developer and a consumer.


How do you know iOS 7 that gets delivered to the public will be "not so perfect"? Are you internally testing this?

And why do we deserve to see anything prior to the public release if they got all the feedback needed?

Feel entitled do we?

tymaster50
Aug 23, 2013, 12:36 PM
Beta 7 , GM, what's the difference?

Shrink
Aug 23, 2013, 12:39 PM
Beta 7 , GM, what's the difference?

Beta 7 is a Beta...and GM is the finished product...no?

Smwdesigns
Aug 23, 2013, 12:40 PM
Beta 7 , GM, what's the difference?

GM is the final version right before the public version. In some cases, the GM version will be the same as the public version.

Gogurt48
Aug 23, 2013, 12:46 PM
There is still a lot of FCs in iOS and recently updated apps. There's also some little lag here and there. We should be able to take a sneak peak at "a little more final" iOS 7 before GM.

I'd love to do that, but I think this is a case where Apple's interests don't necessarily coincide with ours. We're excited for a "sneak peak" at the progress they've been making on iOS 7 since the last beta, but all they're interested in is getting it ready for prime time. If they feel that releasing another beta will help them do that, then that's what they'll do. If not, then I guess we'll just have to wait.

Apple is choosing to launch a not so perfect iOS 7.0 and using it's workforce for iOS 7.1, though this is not very nice, because the market is not exactly "booming" right now, so the company should focus on launching the best iOS 7 version yet.

I'm sure that's what they're doing. Beta 6 is "not so perfect," as you say, but Apple may feel it has all the feedback it needs now to make it perfect, or as nearly perfect as possible.

Armen
Aug 23, 2013, 12:55 PM
Looks like no beta 7 today. With just over two weeks to go before we should see the GM, I'm becoming more and more convinced there won't be a beta 7. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I'd have liked one more beta before the GM.

If there was a beta 7 followed by a GM 2 weeks later (Sept 10 release to devs) than Beta 7 should drop on the 27th.

lcmazza
Aug 23, 2013, 12:59 PM
How do you know iOS 7 that gets delivered to the public will be "not so perfect"? Are you internally testing this?

And why do we deserve to see anything prior to the public release if they got all the feedback needed?

Feel entitled do we?

Just take a look at iOS 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 and all of the previous launches, plagued with battery problems and others.

So, .0 launches are never so perfect, but the risks of changing everything about the UI and other aspects is always very high. So yes, we have some history to look at and presume that there should be more to be fixed.

My iPhone 5 had a sleep of death two times after Beta 6. If this is perfect for you, you're "entitled" to think that there's no need for a Beta 7, as much as I'm to think that there should be another one before GM.

SMIDG3T
Aug 23, 2013, 01:02 PM
I think we can decide for sure by Wednesday (28th). If Apple don't release Beta 7 by then, then that's it. I'm hoping for it to be released on Monday at 6PM GMT.

lcmazza
Aug 23, 2013, 01:03 PM
I'd love to do that, but I think this is a case where Apple's interests don't necessarily coincide with ours. We're excited for a "sneak peak" at the progress they've been making on iOS 7 since the last beta, but all they're interested in is getting it ready for prime time. If they feel that releasing another beta will help them do that, then that's what they'll do. If not, then I guess we'll just have to wait.



I'm sure that's what they're doing. Beta 6 is "not so perfect," as you say, but Apple may feel it has all the feedback it needs now to make it perfect, or as nearly perfect as possible.

Yes, but at least regarding rumors, there's a Beta 7 with the "partners". I wonder if developers should be considered a lesser partner, if they can't put their hands on Beta 7. :)

Menel
Aug 23, 2013, 01:17 PM
Beta 7 is a Beta...and GM is the finished product...no?Yes.

GM is the final version right before the public version. In some cases, the GM version will be the same as the public version.In all cases GM is the same as public version by definition. GoldMaster is what is loaded at the factory.

Sometime around the 27th-3rd if not already they'll have to start the laborious job of flashing 5 Million+ iPhones (launch day number for iPhone 5) with the GM build.

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I agree, except for the guessing that there won't be a Beta 7. I think that, if not today, then monday is a good candidate.

There is still a lot of FCs in iOS and recently updated apps. There's also some little lag here and there. We should be able to take a sneak peak at "a little more final" iOS 7 before GM.

Apple is choosing to launch a not so perfect iOS 7.0 and using it's workforce for iOS 7.1, though this is not very nice, because the market is not exactly "booming" right now, so the company should focus on launching the best iOS 7 version yet.

Also there were many UI changes since Beta 5 (Beta 6 was just a hotfix), then it would be nice to see how it evolved, as a developer and a consumer.There are lot of debug routines active, etc, and beta flags set on in the current builds. The extra logging and diagnostic has always eat up resources.

There is almost always a *magic* jump in performance from beta to GM.

Tmelon
Aug 23, 2013, 01:20 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the iPhone 5S announcement rumored to be happening on September 10th with the actual release date close to a week afterwards? I assume the GM build will be released following the iPhone 5S announcement, so I still find it likely that we might see Beta 7 on Monday.

lcmazza
Aug 23, 2013, 01:27 PM
Yes.

In all cases GM is the same as public version by definition. GoldMaster is what is loaded at the factory.

Sometime around the 27th-3rd if not already they'll have to start the laborious job of flashing 5 Million+ iPhones (launch day number for iPhone 5) with the GM build.

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There are lot of debug routines active, etc, and beta flags set on in the current builds. The extra logging and diagnostic has always eat up resources.

There is almost always a *magic* jump in performance from beta to GM.

Yes, that's what I was always told... And Beta 7 could be the supposed GM build, without the debug routines. That's also one of the reasons I wish there'll be a Beta 7. There's no secrecy anymore, so there's apparently no need to miss a new "beta". Unless it reveals some of the secret 5S features that we haven't seen yet.

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PS: The iPad version of iOS7 seems to be pretty broken too...

Smwdesigns
Aug 23, 2013, 01:28 PM
How about we stop trying to guess if there's going to be a beta 7 and just let apple do it's job. Sure it'll be nice to have a beta 7 to squash a few bugs before the GM version but Apple is handling things. If you want to help handle things then maybe you should look at getting a job at Apple.

tymaster50
Aug 23, 2013, 01:49 PM
Beta 7 is a Beta...and GM is the finished product...no?

It went over your head. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if there is a beta 7. Are there any huge bugs? If not then what's the point of pushing out an update if there are only minor bugs?

lcmazza
Aug 23, 2013, 01:51 PM
How about we stop trying to guess if there's going to be a beta 7 and just let apple do it's job. Sure it'll be nice to have a beta 7 to squash a few bugs before the GM version but Apple is handling things. If you want to help handle things then maybe you should look at getting a job at Apple.

And you should get a job as a judge, as you seem to love judging people, particularly in this small, specific *discussion* thread.

Get a life, please?

BasicGreatGuy
Aug 23, 2013, 01:52 PM
Shouldn't the focus be on the quality and stability of the GM, instead of whether or not there will be another beta before release announcement?

Sirious
Aug 23, 2013, 01:53 PM
I hope there is one more beta since beta 6 was so unexpected, but I don't mind if there isn't. Hope the GM includes some neat new features for us with older devices!

Gogurt48
Aug 23, 2013, 01:57 PM
How about we stop trying to guess if there's going to be a beta 7 . . .

How about we stop telling people what to talk about. If you're not interested in the topic of this thread, there are many other fine threads you might enjoy.

Shrink
Aug 23, 2013, 02:14 PM
It went over your head. I'm saying that it doesn't matter if there is a beta 7. Are there any huge bugs? If not then what's the point of pushing out an update if there are only minor bugs?

Lots of things go ever my head.

So here's another dumb question...isn't it better to have fewer minor bugs by having another Beta, than have more minor bugs that might have been eliminated by dropping another Beta prior to releasing the GM which have to be fixed after general distribution?

Not to mention the horrendous complaining that would occur here if there were an excessive number of "minor bugs"?

Why is there such a big rush...what's a few more weeks?

stu.h
Aug 23, 2013, 02:15 PM
iOS 7 Beta 6 will not be the same as the GM.

The GM will be internal employees Beta 7.

apollo1444
Aug 23, 2013, 02:50 PM
This all seems very odd to me, for example the iPad versions are way buggy and crashy and the beta 6 while the release is very stable on the iPhone some animations drop frames.

Armen
Aug 23, 2013, 04:04 PM
This all seems very odd to me, for example the iPad versions are way buggy and crashy and the beta 6 while the release is very stable on the iPhone some animations drop frames.

If I remember correctly TwiT.tv stated that the iPad will not get the update to iOS 7 until October (When the new iPad is supposed to be announced).

jonnyb098
Aug 23, 2013, 04:52 PM
If I remember correctly TwiT.tv stated that the iPad will not get the update to iOS 7 until October (When the new iPad is supposed to be announced).

This makes the most sense as the ipad betas are a couple weeks behind. The ipad and Mac event will be in October.

wolsoncpa
Aug 23, 2013, 07:43 PM
I want to find the topics they're interested in that I think are pointless and go tell them how dumb it is. #Childish

DariusX
Aug 23, 2013, 07:52 PM
I want to find the topics they're interested in that I think are pointless and go tell them how dumb it is. #Childish

Says the guy using hashtags on this forum

charlituna
Aug 23, 2013, 08:21 PM
Looks like no beta 7 today. With just over two weeks to go before we should see the GM, I'm becoming more and more convinced there won't be a beta 7. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but I'd have liked one more beta before the GM.

Just because the hardware announcement might be on the 10th doesn't mean we will see the hardware or iOS right off. It could be a month before either.

Gogurt48
Aug 23, 2013, 08:24 PM
Just because the hardware announcement might be on the 10th doesn't mean we will see the hardware or iOS right off. It could be a month before either.

Don't they always release the GM the same day as the hardware announcement?

ajt1995
Aug 23, 2013, 09:03 PM
I want to find the topics they're interested in that I think are pointless and go tell them how dumb it is. #Childish

I love hashtags! #yourock

jhfenton
Aug 23, 2013, 10:20 PM
This all seems very odd to me, for example the iPad versions are way buggy and crashy and the beta 6 while the release is very stable on the iPhone some animations drop frames.
Agreed. The iPad versions seem like very early betas. There are still widespread reproducible cosmetic and crashing bugs on the iPads, whereas the iPod Touch 5th gen that I test on is pretty solid (other than the Download Playlist functionality, which is still a bit wonky).

I don't see any way that the iPad builds will be releasable in a few weeks.

Zac7
Aug 24, 2013, 08:57 AM
Just take a look at iOS 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 and all of the previous launches, plagued with battery problems and others.

So, .0 launches are never so perfect, but the risks of changing everything about the UI and other aspects is always very high. So yes, we have some history to look at and presume that there should be more to be fixed.

My iPhone 5 had a sleep of death two times after Beta 6. If this is perfect for you, you're "entitled" to think that there's no need for a Beta 7, as much as I'm to think that there should be another one before GM.

Apple isn't releasing beta 6 as the gm. Why does another beta have to come? They test and fix bugs internally. They probably have a number of internal builds that are stable. Lets just wait and see.

WynterB
Aug 24, 2013, 09:08 AM
I haven't seen this mentioned much/at all on the forums, but I was wondering if anyone was seeing the "Notification Sync across devices" working as yet?

I thought we might have seen this in a Developer Beta which makes me think there would be another beta before release?

Will2145
Aug 24, 2013, 11:56 AM
I want to find the topics they're interested in that I think are pointless and go tell them how dumb it is. #Childish

Please never use hashtags on threads again, please.

wolsoncpa
Aug 24, 2013, 12:07 PM
Please never use hashtags on threads again, please.

Absolutely! Whatever you want. I just want to be as cool as you are. #Sarcasm

Please never use "please" twice unnecessarily in a sentence. #Redundant

SMIDG3T
Aug 24, 2013, 12:08 PM
Beta 7 , GM, what's the difference?

A big difference actually if you know how the software circle works.

benji888
Aug 25, 2013, 04:28 AM
This all seems very odd to me, for example the iPad versions are way buggy and crashy and the beta 6 while the release is very stable on the iPhone some animations drop frames.

That's debatable, I've had my iPhone 5 respring itself several times w/beta 6, not to mention other glitches/bugs. While it has been more stable, particularly since beta 5, it is not yet stable.

But, if no beta 7 this week (by Tuesday, likely), then :confused: seems like iPad needs another beta...phones coming first, so, maybe an iOS 7 beta 7 for iPads/GM for iPhones? ...I think, since they started iOS 7 on iPads later, they might have a later GM build than iPhones? ...they do have to deal with managing a lot more screen real estate than the phones.

charlituna
Aug 25, 2013, 11:26 AM
Don't they always release the GM the same day as the hardware announcement?

So what if historically they have. Apple does what Apple wants. Which is why iOS 7 looks nothing like the six versions before it, they moved the iPhone and then the iPad to the fall not the spring and summer like every one before it, they went to yearly so releases, they fired Forstall.

If they don't want to release iOS 7 for another month because the new iPhone won't be out until then, they will do so, or rather not do so.