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MacRumors
Aug 27, 2013, 01:31 PM
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An unusual patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8,521,316.PN.&OS=PN/8,521,316&RS=PN/8,521,316) awarded to Apple today suggests that the company is looking into the possibility of integrating so-called "silent disco" technology into its upcoming devices, according to AppleInsider (http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/08/27/apples-silent-disco-patent-lets-ios-device-users-hold-distributed-private-concerts). The patent, No. 8,521,316, was first filed back in March 2010 and lists Sylvain Louboutin, a former Apple software engineer who now works at Roku (http://www.linkedin.com/in/louboutin) as its inventor. It describes a "coordinated group musical experience" in which a "personal communication device" can be used to share music with a group of people.

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The patent describes a system whereby musical characteristics such as tempo (BPM) are shared with nearby users and the user's device will automatically select songs that are similar in nature. The system would transmit the digital information of a song being played by one user, or the "roving DJ" as the patent calls it, to any connected devices over the local network. Unlike traditional silent discos, where the same song is transmitted across radio frequencies, this system will use the songs that are already present on a user's device, presumably due to copyright reasons.

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The technology is similar to the latest craze dubbed "mobile clubbing", where a group of people get together in one place and dance to their own music. Location, however, is not a deciding factor with Apple's system, as the signals can be transmitted over any means of wireless communication, including the Internet, Bluetooth and local wireless networks.

In other embodiments of the patent, users of the system can "rotate" DJs, so other people can select songs for the group to listen to. The patent notes that the system can be contained within one single application that is downloadable from the App Store.

Although this technology may not be implemented into any upcoming Apple products, it does present an interesting question of sharing music among iTunes users, which may be a key goal for Apple going forward. Its last foray into music-based social networking was Ping, which officially closed (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/01/apples-ping-social-network-officially-closes/) at the start of October last year after the service failed to impress its users.

Article Link: Apple Patent Reveals Interest in 'Silent Disco' App Technology for iOS Devices (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/27/apple-patent-reveals-interest-in-silent-disco-app-technology-for-ios-devices/)



musika
Aug 27, 2013, 01:33 PM
Silent Disco sounds like the title of a '70s horror movie.

CBJammin103
Aug 27, 2013, 01:34 PM
This is very odd... seems like a guarded way of patenting a feature without listing exactly what you want to use it for in the patent itself.

DarkWinter
Aug 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
Those stick people throwing shapes made me lol.

Cartmants
Aug 27, 2013, 01:41 PM
Sounds like something ImprovEverywhere would like to see implemented for their annual MP3 experiment (http://improveverywhere.com/missions/the-mp3-experiments/)

anubis72
Aug 27, 2013, 01:43 PM
How they gonna pull this off? I have a hard enough time trying to share my songs between computers/iTunes accounts that I OWN, let alone someone else jumping into the mix...:eek:

Klae17
Aug 27, 2013, 01:50 PM
Cue the "I can't believe it's not butter" comments.

ctdonath
Aug 27, 2013, 01:52 PM
How they gonna pull this off? I have a hard enough time trying to share my songs between computers/iTunes accounts that I OWN, let alone someone else jumping into the mix...:eek:

At a glance, looks like it works by identifying songs with the "correct" beats-per-minute and matching a BPM profile (ex.: slow-fast-med-fast). You listen to your own music, beat-synced with everyone else's even though they may not be listening to the same thing.

bedifferent
Aug 27, 2013, 01:55 PM
First create it, then patent it.

It's one thing to patent how to make a flying car, it's another to patent the idea of a flying car. It may not apply to this situation, but at some point patents should not be granted for "idea's" unless it is a patent on "how" to make it happen.

What's next, Hanna-Barbera sues company who creates a flying car?

Stop patenting idea's, patent methods. Two entirely different things. If we don't, patents will stifle innovation, hurting consumers in the interim (and making patent lawyers wealthy).

SteveJobs2.0
Aug 27, 2013, 02:04 PM
First create it, then patent it.

It's one thing to patent how to make a flying car, it's another to patent the idea of a flying car. It may not apply to this situation, but at some point patents should not be granted for "idea's" unless it is a patent on "how" to make it happen.

What's next, Hanna-Barbera sues company who creates a flying car?

Stop patenting idea's, patent methods. Two entirely different things. If we don't, patents will stifle innovation, hurting consumers in the interim (and making patent lawyers wealthy).

I just patented your suggestion, now pay me!!!

iMerik
Aug 27, 2013, 02:08 PM
This is very odd... seems like a guarded way of patenting a feature without listing exactly what you want to use it for in the patent itself.
Agreed. If this patent is used, it'll probably be for something more generally useful.

Lunapip
Aug 27, 2013, 02:12 PM
Like this?!!

http://youtu.be/40cmv0dxjzM

Lord Hamsa
Aug 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
Agreed. If this patent is used, it'll probably be for something more generally useful.

Right. The critical thing is about the mechanism used for data sharing and collaboration. The potential use as a "silent disco" is but one possibility for such a system, and likely one that intentionally distracts from the real reason they're working on this.

HiRez
Aug 27, 2013, 02:20 PM
How they gonna pull this off? I have a hard enough time trying to share my songs between computers/iTunes accounts that I OWN, let alone someone else jumping into the mix...:eek:

You're not actually sharing songs, just metadata such as beats per minute (tempo), maybe genre, so very low bandwidth information that would probably fit in a tweet or SMS (not that they would use that). The system is still choosing songs on your own device, I guess it's so people can dance together by matching beats and style while not being subjected to a DJ's crappy selection (or your friend's crappy musical tastes). Obviously, headphones required. Kinda weird, but whatever.

D.T.
Aug 27, 2013, 02:31 PM
I always thought Apple should create a Broadcast Playlist, where someone playing a song could allow people to discover the song artist/title/etc. Maybe it would be an opt-in broadcast, where you'd see "DT is sharing his playlist", and you could jus tap "listen".

Not unlike Shazam, but instead of having to listen and use sound recog (and use a 3rd party app), it would be integrated into the Music App and would Piggyback on the same sort of peer based networking as AirShare. One of the tabs would be "Recently Shared [or Heard]" which of course could provide a simple one-tap to purchase through iTunes.

cmChimera
Aug 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
First create it, then patent it.

It's one thing to patent how to make a flying car, it's another to patent the idea of a flying car. It may not apply to this situation, but at some point patents should not be granted for "idea's" unless it is a patent on "how" to make it happen.

What's next, Hanna-Barbera sues company who creates a flying car?

Stop patenting idea's, patent methods. Two entirely different things. If we don't, patents will stifle innovation, hurting consumers in the interim (and making patent lawyers wealthy).

They created this and then patented it.

TsunamiTheClown
Aug 27, 2013, 02:56 PM
"roving DJ"

This is probably the best patent i have ever seen.

We can't have just any punks trying to be legit roving DJs now can we. I mean, a roving DJ needs creds. And any self-respecting flash-rave needs a roving DJ.

Apple is merely looking into the future and solving a cosmic problem, that quite frankly, I was completely unaware of.

v0lume4
Aug 27, 2013, 03:06 PM
Bonnaroo!

Truffy
Aug 27, 2013, 03:09 PM
Those stick people throwing shapes made me lol.
Me too...until I realised that they dance better than me :(

macnisse
Aug 27, 2013, 03:11 PM
Would probably use it more often than ping...

jm001
Aug 27, 2013, 03:17 PM
Like this?!!

http://youtu.be/40cmv0dxjzM

Exactly! Although not necessarily restricted to accounting depts.

CReimer
Aug 27, 2013, 03:33 PM
Silent Disco sounds like the title of a '70s horror movie.

No, no, no. Think "Love At First Bite" with "I Love The Nightlife" dance song. :cool:

Radio
Aug 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Can't innovate my a$$

This is revolutionary

boshii
Aug 27, 2013, 03:59 PM
Sounds like Samsung's Group Play feature.

EDIT: Not really but kind of.

GenesisST
Aug 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
Would probably use it more often than ping...

That's not saying much... :D

Sabenth
Aug 27, 2013, 04:35 PM
http://youtu.be/5ncbNzF7u0o is this sort of the same idea

bedifferent
Aug 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
I just patented your suggestion, now pay me!!!

lol touché :)

Greene1123
Aug 27, 2013, 04:42 PM
I'm actually excited about this

bacaramac
Aug 27, 2013, 05:48 PM
So kind of like pandora/radio station, but music is controlled by friends/group members. Could be cool.

Zaqfalcon
Aug 27, 2013, 06:05 PM
So you're in the middle of busting a move to the transcendental heights of The Macarena; and what happens? The Roving DJ changes the BPM and your song cuts to Achey Breaky Heart! Sounds terrible.

Solomani
Aug 27, 2013, 06:05 PM
Oh great. So in the future.... Apple might have a valid lawsuit against me if I go twerking and Vine it to my friends? :o

captain kaos
Aug 27, 2013, 06:23 PM
I agree with others, i don't like this idea of patenting the world to basically give yourself a nice list of money earners in patent court.

franciskenz
Aug 27, 2013, 06:32 PM
Sounds like Samsung's Group Play feature.

EDIT: Not really but kind of.


My thoughts exactly..

efktd
Aug 27, 2013, 10:35 PM
They're having events like this in my city.

macnisse
Aug 28, 2013, 02:46 AM
That's not saying much... :D

Hehe, exactly... reckon at least once :D

Pakaku
Aug 28, 2013, 04:23 AM
They're clearly doing this in order to throw people off from looking at their real patents.

Lord Hamsa
Aug 28, 2013, 08:28 AM
I agree with others, i don't like this idea of patenting the world to basically give yourself a nice list of money earners in patent court.

Patenting the world? That's ridiculous. What Apple is doing here is patenting a specific method for real-time data sharing and collaboration through a trusted moderator. The "silent disco" example of applying this method is just one, and likely a trivial, potential application for this technology. I can easily imagine gaming and business uses for this type of communication mechanism.

Truffy
Aug 30, 2013, 02:42 PM
So you're in the middle of busting a move to the transcendental heights of The Macarena; and what happens? The Roving DJ changes the BPM and your song cuts to Achey Breaky Heart! Sounds terrible.
But the music has to be on your player in the first place. And if you have Achy Breaky Heart on your player you deserve all you get. :D