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Aug 27, 2013, 05:34 PM
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Today's Apple TV update (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/27/apple-tv-adds-apps-for-vevo-weather-channel-disney-and-smithsonian-channel/) breaks the PlexConnect client (http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/79086-when-apple-updates-apple-tv/) that allowed Plex -- the advanced server-client media player -- to run on non-jailbroken Apple TV devices.

Plex allows users to store movie and TV show files on a server and then view those files on a wide variety of client devices including Macs, PCs, a number of smart televisions, the Roku box and the Apple TV. The server also connects to Internet databases to pull IMDB-type metadata on media.

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/plexconnect.jpg
The client, called PlexConnect, used a hack to get video from the Plex Media Server onto the Apple TV. A small Python program on the Mac intercepted DNS requests from the Movie Trailers app on the Apple TV and instead returned a custom XML feed that delivered a list of media and movie streams to the device.

Now, however, Apple has closed the loophole. Previously, the Trailers app used regular HTTP requests and the PlexConnect app intercepted those requests. Now, the Trailers app uses HTTPS and it is likely impossible for the Plex programmers to overcome it.

Plex CTO Elan Feingold told MacRumors that the company was "saddened to hear that PlexConnect stopped working" and that "we can only hope that in the future Apple decides to release an SDK for the ATV". "The level of interest in the project was quite high."

Article Link: Latest Apple TV Update Breaks PlexConnect Client (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/27/latest-apple-tv-update-breaks-plexconnect-client/)



Dalton63841
Aug 27, 2013, 05:38 PM
I've been using Plex Connect ALL DAY LONG today, despite those channels being added. Nothing broken here.

Sky Blue
Aug 27, 2013, 05:43 PM
Would love a properly supported Plex client for Apple TV. Tim, please call Elan :)

wlossw
Aug 27, 2013, 05:44 PM
The truth is that the ATV client for local itunes media sharing is pretty terrible for large libraries. It would be nice if they would allow third party media centre apps or at least fix theirs to stop sucking. It's annoying to have to use airplay and plex on my IOS device in order to enjoy (ie:find anything in)my media library.

jlgolson
Aug 27, 2013, 05:46 PM
I've been using Plex Connect ALL DAY LONG today, despite those channels being added. Nothing broken here.
I believe you need to either restart the Apple TV or back out of PlexConnect all the way to the main menu.

Until then, you're good to go!

Dalton63841
Aug 27, 2013, 05:53 PM
I believe you need to either restart the Apple TV or back out of PlexConnect all the way to the main menu.

Until then, you're good to go!

I was at the main menu when I saw the new channels on screen. Still works just fine. As far as restarting, I never do that, so *crossing fingers*...

Plutonius
Aug 27, 2013, 05:54 PM
Sad news :(. I guess the ATV2 just went up in price.

darkslide29
Aug 27, 2013, 05:54 PM
Argh, that's too bad. Had a nice little set up for my media from my NAS. It made my Apple TV the ONLY box I needed and wanted on my TV.
Oh well.. onto alternate methods and to add something to my TV setup, besides the Apple TV. Sounds so backwards in that it is pushing me to another product. But I know they have a very specific ecosystem to endorse, and content providers to keep happy.

Not to threadcap, and maybe not the most approriate place to ask, but could a Google Chromecast dongle make it possible to stream media from a Nas, similar to what PlexConnect allowed? A suitable replacement? Has anyone tried?

I realize that Google did something to block local media from being streamed, but the latest from that fiasco is that it was inadverdant, and should be fixable soon. But I am not sure how well this worked to begin with.

Thanks.

BigHonkingDeal
Aug 27, 2013, 05:57 PM
Sad news :(. I guess the ATV2 just went up in price.

There is always ROKU....

philfry
Aug 27, 2013, 05:59 PM
And this is why I haven't updated my atv3 since getting it. All I need is plex and netflix.

Supacon
Aug 27, 2013, 06:04 PM
This totally just ruined the Apple TV for me. Plex is 90% of what I did with it and the only thing that made it truly useful. I guess if I update by accident down the road or something I'll just go and buy a Roku 3 or some such thing.

Baumi
Aug 27, 2013, 06:05 PM
The truth is that the ATV client for local itunes media sharing is pretty terrible for large libraries. It would be nice if they would allow third party media centre apps or at least fix theirs to stop sucking.

Since Jobs considered the Apple TV a "hobby", its interface apparently didn't have to live up the standards he set for the iPhone and iPad. It's a great device and it's become my main box for watching TV and movies, but the UI could use quite a bit of polish.

Scott38660
Aug 27, 2013, 06:26 PM
I found another solution which involves an iPhone, iPad or later Macs. If you go to my.plexapp.com and find your server or directly connect using your IP on your local network and port 32400 you can browse what's on your plex server from any device that has AirPlay mirroring or additional screen and stream the content from your browser to your AppleTV.

The downside of this method is obviously the need for an additional intermediary device which also requires a more robust network (that is in the iOS device scenario). Indeed you're now streaming encoded content between your server and AirPlay device and decoded/compressed content between the latter and your Apple TV.
The upside however, is the lack of any hacks required to make this work.

Has anyone found other workarounds?

meeks
Aug 27, 2013, 06:34 PM
Does the atv update itself automatically? I just got one and haven't had an update yet.

Dalton63841
Aug 27, 2013, 06:36 PM
Does the atv update itself automatically? I just got one and haven't had an update yet.

Not software updates, but apple does push channels to the AppleTV without user intervention.

kiantech
Aug 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
looks like some people are getting it to work with other apps.

ex with WSJ app
http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/74524-use-wall-street-journal-app-instead-of-trailers/page-1

http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/72790-using-another-app-other-than-trailers

vega07
Aug 27, 2013, 07:30 PM
looks like some people are getting it to work with other apps.

ex with WSJ app
http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/74524-use-wall-street-journal-app-instead-of-trailers/page-1

http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/72790-using-another-app-other-than-trailers

Have you tried it with the WSJ application?

jmcgeejr
Aug 27, 2013, 07:39 PM
Have you tried it with the WSJ application?

The other apps have all been changed to HTTPS over the past few weeks, they no longer work.

vega07
Aug 27, 2013, 08:19 PM
The other apps have all been changed to HTTPS over the past few weeks, they no longer work.

http://langui.sh/2013/08/27/appletv-ssl-plexconnect/

A user over at the Plex forums created a fix. Haven't tried it yet.

prowlmedia
Aug 27, 2013, 08:30 PM
I know this doesn't help atv3 people but what about an interim jail break app that did what the old http trailers app did?

jm001
Aug 27, 2013, 08:33 PM
There is always ROKU....

I was told by several people online that Roku CAN'T stream movies from your Mac to your tv. Am I wrong here? I hope I am then I will definitely look into the Roku.

As for ATV could you not just jailbreak it and then use Plex?

Dalton63841
Aug 27, 2013, 08:36 PM
I was told by several people online that Roku CAN'T stream movies from your Mac to your tv. Am I wrong here? I hope I am then I will definitely look into the Roku.

As for ATV could you not just jailbreak it and then use Plex?

There is a native Plex app on Roku. Install your Plex Media Server on a PC, and then Plex on Roku sees it. No muss, No fuss. Originally it was true that Roku couldn't support local content, but then came Roksbox, and Chaneru, and a whole host of others, and then finally Plex.

E.Lizardo
Aug 27, 2013, 09:16 PM
There is always ROKU....

Yep!If you really want Plex enough just get one and be done with it.You'll get Amazon Prime and some other stuff in the deal.
I know it's not what people would rather do,but it's better to just face reality and do what you need to do.

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I was told by several people online that Roku CAN'T stream movies from your Mac to your tv. Am I wrong here? I hope I am then I will definitely look into the Roku.

As for ATV could you not just jailbreak it and then use Plex?

No jailbreak for ATV3.

Head on over to the Roku site and check out the"channel store".
Plex,Netflix,Amazon Prime,and USB drives are all supported.Plus an RF remote so no pointing.
Downside-No airplay,no iTunes store access.
Having both isn't too terribly expensive.

jmitch720
Aug 27, 2013, 10:16 PM
Why go through all the trouble of setting up http redirecting or whatever trickery when you can just use the iOS app to AirPlay to Apple TV? In all the time I have used Plex, I have only ever used my Mac as the server, and streamed to my iPhone then AirPlay to Apple TV. It is quick and easy. I can probably find a movie on the iPhone and select AirPlay, faster than it would take me to use a Plex Apple TV app with the stupid Apple TV remote. Am I missing something? Why is everyone acting like closing this loophole ends all Plex/Apple TV functionality. Just use the iOS app! I understand that not everyone has an iOS device, but who gets an Apple TV and doesn't own an iPhone or iPad?!

Note: The Plex iOS app does cost $5 but is so worth it.

alchemistmuffin
Aug 27, 2013, 10:18 PM
You don't need Plex folks. Ever heard of iTunes Home Sharing?

Store everything on your Mac or PC, (including externally attached hard drive), and then log into iTunes on your Apple TV, and turn on Home Sharing.

Besides, if you want to access your content on the go, I would rather bring my external hard drive with me to my friend's house (or my Mac or PC) and just airplay it.

You don't need it, and frankly, I'm glad Apple fixed this loophole, because it can become a security risk in the long run. (there is a way to exploit this and allow some thief to log your iTunes password, and then using that, to rack up lots of iTunes purchases.

satyrica
Aug 27, 2013, 10:21 PM
Can apple just make a world-class ATV so we can use it with 1080p and mkv files? Seriously, I'm sick of this low-class crapulent "hobby" idiocy... :mad:

Dalton63841
Aug 27, 2013, 10:22 PM
http://langui.sh/2013/08/27/appletv-ssl-plexconnect/

A user over at the Plex forums created a fix. Haven't tried it yet.

This works PERFECTLY. I just backed out to the main menu and sure enough, PlexConnect stopped working. Decided to test this out and 5 minutes later I'm back using PlexConnect to watch my stuff. All this tutorial does is create a certificate for Plex Media Server, and tweak Plex Connect to use SSL.

satyrica
Aug 27, 2013, 10:29 PM
http://langui.sh/2013/08/27/appletv-ssl-plexconnect/

Tested. Works.

jmcgeejr
Aug 27, 2013, 10:45 PM
You don't need Plex folks. Ever heard of iTunes Home Sharing?

Store everything on your Mac or PC, (including externally attached hard drive), and then log into iTunes on your Apple TV, and turn on Home Sharing.

Besides, if you want to access your content on the go, I would rather bring my external hard drive with me to my friend's house (or my Mac or PC) and just airplay it.

You don't need it, and frankly, I'm glad Apple fixed this loophole, because it can become a security risk in the long run. (there is a way to exploit this and allow some thief to log your iTunes password, and then using that, to rack up lots of iTunes purchases.

You obviously dont have a huge library, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY I would think of using iTunes for all my movies and tv, and then having to recode all my older media to fit into Apples format, fug that.

jmcgeejr
Aug 27, 2013, 11:14 PM
http://langui.sh/2013/08/27/appletv-ssl-plexconnect/

Tested. Works.

Yep same here.

gcortesi
Aug 27, 2013, 11:53 PM
http://langui.sh/2013/08/27/appletv-ssl-plexconnect/

A user over at the Plex forums created a fix. Haven't tried it yet.

I also tried this fix and it worked for me too. You'll need a micro USB cable to connect to the Apple TV but the process restores the PlexConnect functionality.

macUser2007
Aug 28, 2013, 12:03 AM
Keep the walls up, Apple.

Because of Apple's shortsightedness, Google will own the living room market in a couple of years, just like it took over the smart phone market.

I will just go back to using my HTPC for now, but really hope that within a few months that $35 Chrome dongle I bought "just because" picks ups both apps and steam.

:(

Actually, Google's DIAL protocol already has a decent list of names supporting it with Chrome barely out of the door: http://www.dial-multiscreen.org/dial-registry/namespace-database

monty77
Aug 28, 2013, 01:20 AM
You obviously dont have a huge library, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY I would think of using iTunes for all my movies and tv, and then having to recode all my older media to fit into Apples format, fug that.

..I get his point though. I caved in and went the iTunes way for all my stuff a few years back - I use the same media on all iOS devices I own so there was no point fighting it really.

Agree the client is a bit toilet for large libraries though. My biggest wish is to drop the need for iTunes to be running - even if they make me get an Airport extreme or some such as the alternative.

Dalton63841
Aug 28, 2013, 01:23 AM
..I get his point though. I caved in and went the iTunes way for all my stuff a few years back - I use the same media on all iOS devices I own so there was no point fighting it really.

Agree the client is a bit toilet for large libraries though. My biggest wish is to drop the need for iTunes to be running - even if they make me get an Airport extreme or some such as the alternative.

Personally I wish they would open up Home Sharing so that you could use a NAS instead of needing a computer running iTunes.

JGRE
Aug 28, 2013, 03:14 AM
You don't need Plex folks. Ever heard of iTunes Home Sharing?

Store everything on your Mac or PC, (including externally attached hard drive), and then log into iTunes on your Apple TV, and turn on Home Sharing.

Besides, if you want to access your content on the go, I would rather bring my external hard drive with me to my friend's house (or my Mac or PC) and just airplay it.

You don't need it, and frankly, I'm glad Apple fixed this loophole, because it can become a security risk in the long run. (there is a way to exploit this and allow some thief to log your iTunes password, and then using that, to rack up lots of iTunes purchases.

Well, let it be even more easier than this: use Beamer app, no conversion to iTunes format, just play original MKVs and it also supports DTS. :D

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Personally I wish they would open up Home Sharing so that you could use a NAS instead of needing a computer running iTunes.

You don't need to run iTunes, use Beamer app, way easier and DTS support (sounds much better).

Dalton63841
Aug 28, 2013, 03:25 AM
Well, let it be even more easier than this: use Beamer app, no conversion to iTunes format, just play original MKVs and it also supports DTS. :D

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You don't need to run iTunes, use Beamer app, way easier and DTS support (sounds much better).

Beamer is 100% thoroughly useless when your setup needs to be family approved. To be fair, Beamer is AWESOME, but WAF(Wife Acceptance Factor) = 0%.

Jeaz
Aug 28, 2013, 03:28 AM
You obviously dont have a huge library, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY I would think of using iTunes for all my movies and tv, and then having to recode all my older media to fit into Apples format, fug that.

If your media is in h264 codecs chances are that you don't need to recode the media, just replace the container. As an example, iFlicks does that for you and it only takes 2-3 mins for a 2 hour video. Also sorts meta-data and so on for you, and you can queue up content.

JGRE
Aug 28, 2013, 04:43 AM
Beamer is 100% thoroughly useless when your setup needs to be family approved. To be fair, Beamer is AWESOME, but WAF(Wife Acceptance Factor) = 0%.

:D You are absolutly right, I should keep the WAF in mind. Actually, I am going to forward your reply (not going to mention your name) to the Beamer Guys, as it is a very good remark.

Sue De Nimes
Aug 28, 2013, 05:30 AM
Well, let it be even more easier than this: use Beamer app, no conversion to iTunes format, just play original MKVs and it also supports DTS. :D

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You don't need to run iTunes, use Beamer app, way easier and DTS support (sounds much better).

How do I go about selecting what to play with Beamer in my living room when my iMac is in the home office?

It doesn't seem easy to me.

MikeyMike01
Aug 28, 2013, 05:37 AM
You don't need Plex folks. Ever heard of iTunes Home Sharing?

Store everything on your Mac or PC, (including externally attached hard drive), and then log into iTunes on your Apple TV, and turn on Home Sharing.

Besides, if you want to access your content on the go, I would rather bring my external hard drive with me to my friend's house (or my Mac or PC) and just airplay it.

You don't need it, and frankly, I'm glad Apple fixed this loophole, because it can become a security risk in the long run. (there is a way to exploit this and allow some thief to log your iTunes password, and then using that, to rack up lots of iTunes purchases.

I have a server. It serves my content.

I don't want (and shouldn't have) to run some hokey garbage on a laptop (I no longer have a desktop) to do what my server is specifically designed to do, and does a great job doing.

JGRE
Aug 28, 2013, 06:12 AM
How do I go about selecting what to play with Beamer in my living room when my iMac is in the home office?

It doesn't seem easy to me.

No, it doesn't. You cannot select anything from the ATV itself.

Menneisyys2
Aug 28, 2013, 07:58 AM
Typical for Apple. They kill all innovation - also see their strict anti-jailbreaking stance.

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I found another solution which involves an iPhone, iPad or later Macs. If you go to my.plexapp.com and find your server or directly connect using your IP on your local network and port 32400 you can browse what's on your plex server from any device that has AirPlay mirroring or additional screen and stream the content from your browser to your AppleTV.

The downside of this method is obviously the need for an additional intermediary device which also requires a more robust network (that is in the iOS device scenario). Indeed you're now streaming encoded content between your server and AirPlay device and decoded/compressed content between the latter and your Apple TV.
The upside however, is the lack of any hacks required to make this work.

Has anyone found other workarounds?

Via UPnP - see http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=16503806&postcount=8

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Can apple just make a world-class ATV so we can use it with 1080p and mkv files? Seriously, I'm sick of this low-class crapulent "hobby" idiocy... :mad:

They won't. You wouldn't purchase from iTunes Store -MKV's aren't their native formats.

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If your media is in h264 codecs chances are that you don't need to recode the media, just replace the container. As an example, iFlicks does that for you and it only takes 2-3 mins for a 2 hour video. Also sorts meta-data and so on for you, and you can queue up content.

In most cases, even better alternatives are Subler and MP4Tools.

kiantech
Aug 28, 2013, 03:55 PM
You don't need Plex folks. Ever heard of iTunes Home Sharing?

Store everything on your Mac or PC, (including externally attached hard drive), and then log into iTunes on your Apple TV, and turn on Home Sharing.

Besides, if you want to access your content on the go, I would rather bring my external hard drive with me to my friend's house (or my Mac or PC) and just airplay it.

You don't need it, and frankly, I'm glad Apple fixed this loophole, because it can become a security risk in the long run. (there is a way to exploit this and allow some thief to log your iTunes password, and then using that, to rack up lots of iTunes purchases.

:rolleyes: itunes home sharing! HA. Plex is a whole other cookie.

Also the trailers app never negotiate your itunes credentials, don't make up things you do not understand.

Sue De Nimes
Aug 29, 2013, 05:12 PM
No, it doesn't. You cannot select anything from the ATV itself.

That was my point :)

Motion2082
Sep 6, 2013, 11:37 PM
What a FU$#%!CKEN let down APPLE. Just wanted ATV to install Plex and watch my media.....

jmcgeejr
Sep 7, 2013, 10:08 AM
What a FU$#%!CKEN let down APPLE. Just wanted ATV to install Plex and watch my media.....

Dude did you not read the rest, there is a fix already?

Che Castro
Sep 7, 2013, 01:42 PM
Can apple just make a world-class ATV so we can use it with 1080p and mkv files? Seriously, I'm sick of this low-class crapulent "hobby" idiocy... :mad:

Most mkv are h264 , that means you can just muxed the file using mp4tools & turn it into mp4 in one minute


No need to convert , so people who complain about mkv and Apple TV could do this and use home sharing

I converted my entire mkv collection like 1,000 movies using this method in like an hour or 2
Just by dragging all the movies in to iflicks and hitting start
Iflicks is the same as mp4tools but iflicks will add the metadata for you