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MacRumors
Sep 5, 2013, 01:17 PM
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http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/08/nttdocomo-250x50.pngAfter years of negotiations, Japanese carrier DoCoMo will begin carrying the iPhone this fall, according to a report (http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASDD260OR_V00C13A9MM8000/) from Japanese newswire Nikkei [Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASDD260OR_V00C13A9MM8000/&hl=en&langpair=auto%7Cen&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8)].

DoCoMo will begin carrying the new models of the iPhone this fall, after Apple and DoCoMo came to an agreement over terms and conditions, including sales quotas, claims Nikkei.

The other large Japanese carriers, KDDI and Softbank, have carried the iPhone for years. Softbank recently purchased (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/14/japanese-carrier-softbank-buys-controlling-interest-in-sprint/) a controlling interest in American carrier Sprint.

DoCoMo lost a total of 3.2 million users (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/05/leading-japanese-carrier-ntt-docomo-losing-customers-as-iphone-deal-remains-elusive/) over the last four-and-a-half years years, with much of that loss blamed on the lack of an iPhone on the network. DoCoMo had long insisted that its own services be preloaded onto devices sold on its network, something that is anathema to Apple.

The companies have appeared closer to a deal (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/26/ntt-docomo-ceo-cites-compelling-reasons-to-reach-long-elusive-iphone-deal-with-apple-in-japan/) in recent weeks, as the CEO of DoCoMo said there were "compelling reasons" for the two companies to reach an agreement.

Nikkei previously reported that both the iPhone 5S and 5C would launch in Japan on Friday, September 20th -- expected to be the same day as the phone's release in the United States.

Article Link: Japanese Carrier DoCoMo to Gain iPhone This Fall (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/05/japanese-carrier-docomo-to-gain-iphone-this-fall/)



thasan
Sep 5, 2013, 01:18 PM
good! now where is the bump on aapl?

Brandon263
Sep 5, 2013, 01:25 PM
Will be interesting to see if Apple will allow DoCoMo to put its bloatware on the iPhone. Don't see how they could have made a deal otherwise. They probably struck the same deal with China Mobile.

macnisse
Sep 5, 2013, 01:28 PM
Hai, arigato and congratulations docomo! :-)

PDXoPDX
Sep 5, 2013, 01:29 PM
Docomo arigato Mr. Tsubouchi!

UnfetteredMind
Sep 5, 2013, 01:42 PM
Will be interesting to see if Apple will allow DoCoMo to put its bloatware on the iPhone. Don't see how they could have made a deal otherwise. They probably struck the same deal with China Mobile.

Or DoCoMo and ChinaMobile got sick of losing subscribers to other carriers. I'm sure more details will leak out before or after the official announcements.

chrmjenkins
Sep 5, 2013, 01:55 PM
Or DoCoMo and ChinaMobile got sick of losing subscribers to other carriers. I'm sure more details will leak out before or after the official announcements.

Was subscriber loss an issue for China Mobile? Hard to imagine with a carrier that has over 700M customers.

Szarky
Sep 5, 2013, 02:01 PM
Was subscriber loss an issue for China Mobile? Hard to imagine with a carrier that has over 700M customers.

Maybe loss wasn't a current threat but definitely a near future threat. Striking a deal before the losses started happening would be smart.

mdelvecchio
Sep 5, 2013, 02:13 PM
DoCoMo was finally like,

http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/okay.jpeg

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Will be interesting to see if Apple will allow DoCoMo to put its bloatware on the iPhone. Don't see how they could have made a deal otherwise. They probably struck the same deal with China Mobile.

you serious? there is absolutely no way apple allowed them to put their bloat on the phone. none. it would open apple up to everybody wanting it. no, DoCoMo looked at the business they were losing year after year and finally conceded, probably negotiating on price to save face.

ob81
Sep 5, 2013, 02:18 PM
Docomo has sucked for years. They always had the worst coverage, and half a decade later, they finally appear to see the light.

Congrats on staying around this long.

Technarchy
Sep 5, 2013, 02:24 PM
Tim Cook has been busy

chrmjenkins
Sep 5, 2013, 02:25 PM
Maybe loss wasn't a current threat but definitely a near future threat. Striking a deal before the losses started happening would be smart.

I think it was more working out the logistics of their network technology and SKU management. The W1605L takes care of their special TD-SCDMA network in addition to all of the other networks out there. Now Apple just have to differentiate SKUs by which bands they support.

mavis
Sep 5, 2013, 03:23 PM
Just an FYI, Macrumors - NTT DOCOMO is not stylized "DoCoMo" anymore, and hasn't been for years. ;)

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/info/

V.K.
Sep 5, 2013, 03:38 PM
Will be interesting to see if Apple will allow DoCoMo to put its bloatware on the iPhone. Don't see how they could have made a deal otherwise.

want a bet?! why would Apple give in to Docomo when they didn't give in to bigger players like Verizon? Apple doesn't need Docomo that badly but Docomo does need Apple.

They probably struck the same deal with China Mobile.

why should it be the same? I don't recall any reports of China Mobile wanting bloatware on iphones as a big sticking point in negotiations with Apple. as noted by others in the thread the main issue was network incompatibility which is supposed to be resolved with the new chips in the upcoming new iphones. I also remember reading that the size of iphone subsidies was a big point of contention.

All that said, China Mobile with their huge subscriber base is probably the stronger side in the negotiations with Apple. if anybody can bend Apple to allow bloatware on iphones (if they REALLY wanted it) it would be China Mobile. But definitely not Docomo.

theBB
Sep 5, 2013, 03:46 PM
Was subscriber loss an issue for China Mobile? Hard to imagine with a carrier that has over 700M customers.
I remember seeing reports about 3G subscribers growing far more quickly on other networks. (Most of the smartphones in China were said to be 2G until recently.) However, I don't know whether most of the difference can be explained by lack of iPhones or lack of high end phones in general or by something else.

sinsin07
Sep 5, 2013, 05:08 PM
Just an FYI, Macrumors - NTT DOCOMO is not stylized "DoCoMo" anymore, and hasn't been for years. ;)

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/info/
Who cares. Not germane to the article.

skipper113
Sep 5, 2013, 05:14 PM
Softbank iPhone here in Japan already includes some of its bloatware preinstalled.

Snowshiro
Sep 5, 2013, 05:28 PM
Docomo has sucked for years. They always had the worst coverage, and half a decade later, they finally appear to see the light.

Congrats on staying around this long.

Docomo have pretty much managed to shrug off the iPhone for this long, simply because they have the largest network in 3, 3.5 and 4G. Although Softbank have made strenuous efforts to improve recently after buying their god-awful network from Vodafone, they're still a fair distance behind.

The idea that Docomo's coverage is the worst is either the result of you having no idea what you're talking about (most likely) or a blatant lie.

I've had phones on all 3 networks during the last 10 years. Docomo are far and away the fastest. AU have good coverage, but not amazing speeds. And as I said, while Softbank have improved, they're still playing catchup.

Really, next time you make a pointless comment, at least try to aim somewhere in the rough direction of the truth.

dziewuliz
Sep 5, 2013, 05:40 PM
Really, next time you make a pointless comment, at least try to aim somewhere in the rough direction of the truth.

Saved me a post... ;)

spyguy10709
Sep 5, 2013, 05:41 PM
I think it was more working out the logistics of their network technology and SKU management. The W1605L takes care of their special TD-SCDMA network in addition to all of the other networks out there. Now Apple just have to differentiate SKUs by which bands they support.

What are you talking about " W1605L "

chrmjenkins
Sep 5, 2013, 05:56 PM
What are you talking about " W1605L "

It's a wireless transceiver qualcomm makes that supports TD-SCDMA. The previous version apple used, the RTR8600, didn't support TD-SCDMA.

ob81
Sep 5, 2013, 06:29 PM
Docomo have pretty much managed to shrug off the iPhone for this long, simply because they have the largest network in 3, 3.5 and 4G. Although Softbank have made strenuous efforts to improve recently after buying their god-awful network from Vodafone, they're still a fair distance behind.

The idea that Docomo's coverage is the worst is either the result of you having no idea what you're talking about (most likely) or a blatant lie.

I've had phones on all 3 networks during the last 10 years. Docomo are far and away the fastest. AU have good coverage, but not amazing speeds. And as I said, while Softbank have improved, they're still playing catchup.

Really, next time you make a pointless comment, at least try to aim somewhere in the rough direction of the truth.

Woah! Slow down there killer. I was just speaking from my experience. Next time I will add that caveat in there for the more passionate folks.

Back on topic: THEY SUCK!

mavis
Sep 5, 2013, 06:48 PM
Who cares. Not germane to the article.

Docomo apparently cared enough to change it in 2008. And since this is a site that seems to take professionalism and accuracy seriously, I thought they might want to know. Writing Docomo like "DoCoMo" would be like writing "aPpLe." I guess since it's not an American company it's not a big deal?

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Softbank iPhone here in Japan already includes some of its bloatware preinstalled.I've bought a launch day iPhone every year since the iPhone 3G in 2008, and I've never once had anything preinstalled on my phone besides the stock Apple apps. :confused:

yukster
Sep 5, 2013, 07:14 PM
Softbank iPhone here in Japan already includes some of its bloatware preinstalled.

Like what?? I haven't seen any bloatware on my Softbank iPhone.

windowpain
Sep 5, 2013, 07:23 PM
At last!!

To be honest I thought they would never get it. Good to see common sense prevailed. They are going to sell truckloads of the things.

japanime
Sep 5, 2013, 08:51 PM
Docomo has sucked for years. They always had the worst coverage, and half a decade later, they finally appear to see the light.

Congrats on staying around this long.

Are you serious? Have you used an iPhone on Softbank or au/KDDI? There's no comparison — DoCoMo's network absolutely blows away the competition.

I've had Softbank for the past five years, simply because I wanted an iPhone. I can't wait to switch back to DoCoMo.

EDIT: I see you are located in the United States. Yes, I would imagine DoCoMo coverage is pretty spotty in your neck of the woods. ;-)

Softbank iPhone here in Japan already includes some of its bloatware preinstalled.

It does? Mine didn't. Nor did the four other iPhones I purchased for my company.

Jjaro
Sep 5, 2013, 09:20 PM
Docomo has sucked for years. They always had the worst coverage, and half a decade later, they finally appear to see the light.

Congrats on staying around this long.

Are you mad? Docomo is WAAAYYY better than SoftBank and AU (especially SoftBank! They are just awful!). You're obviously just trolling here.

skipper113
Sep 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
Like what?? I haven't seen any bloatware on my Softbank iPhone.

apps like Yahoo! / My softbank / Softbank official menu app.
These get added automatically when you setup an i.softbank account.

MKINJPN
Sep 5, 2013, 10:47 PM
Are you mad? Docomo is WAAAYYY better than SoftBank and AU (especially SoftBank! They are just awful!). You're obviously just trolling here.

Depends on where you are in Japan. Unless things have changed recently, AU reigned king in Okinawa and both Docomo and SoftBank weren't that great. AU was also the most reliable in the Tohoku region for a few months after the Tsunami. SoftBank now claims to be the best overall since the government granted SoftBank additional bandwidth. SoftBank has definitely been trying harder than anyone else. I remember seeing a news article claiming that SoftBank has significantly more cell towers than its competitors.

Docomo also had many well publicized server reliability issues in the past so Docomos dominance as the most reliable carrier is no longer true.

japanime
Sep 6, 2013, 01:33 AM
apps like Yahoo! / My softbank / Softbank official menu app.
These get added automatically when you setup an i.softbank account.

Nothing — NOTHING — gets "added automatically" to a stock iPhone. The only way an app gets installed is if the user (or somebody setting up the phone for him or her) adds that app from the app store.

If you had a Softbank employee set up your iPhone and add the i.softbank account, then that person must have added this mysterious "official menu app" of which you speak.

An i.softbank account is simply an email address. No special app is required. I set up my own i.softbank account, and was never even prompted to download anything. (I configured the account through the iPhone's native Mail app.)

I'm no fan of Softbank, but I'm also not going to perpetuate a rumor that Softbank installs bloatware on iPhones. It just isn't true.

It also seems that the crazy allegations that are being posted here (Softbank bloatware, DoCoMo sucks, etc.) are from newly registered Macrumors members. If I was a suspicious person, I'd suspect that the NTT and Softbank PR departments have their English-speaking employees working these forums...

*tcg*
Sep 6, 2013, 05:45 AM
I believe the alleged Softbank bloatware are actually webclips installed by the Softbank configuration profile needed to use their wifi hotspots. Since they can be easily deleted, it's not quite the same as other phones that come with carrier software that cannot be removed.

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aussieinjapan
Sep 6, 2013, 06:53 AM
Nothing NOTHING gets "added automatically" to a stock iPhone. The only way an app gets installed is if the user (or somebody setting up the phone for him or her) adds that app from the app store.

If you had a Softbank employee set up your iPhone and add the i.softbank account, then that person must have added this mysterious "official menu app" of which you speak.

An i.softbank account is simply an email address. No special app is required. I set up my own i.softbank account, and was never even prompted to download anything. (I configured the account through the iPhone's native Mail app.)

I'm no fan of Softbank, but I'm also not going to perpetuate a rumor that Softbank installs bloatware on iPhones. It just isn't true.

It also seems that the crazy allegations that are being posted here (Softbank bloatware, DoCoMo sucks, etc.) are from newly registered Macrumors members. If I was a suspicious person, I'd suspect that the NTT and Softbank PR departments have their English-speaking employees working these forums...

100% agree on this one ! both carriers have their good and bad points....Softbank doesnt put crapware on iphones and DoCoMo has an excellent network. While saying that, people here in Japan say that softbanks network isnt very good (Ive had no problems) - their prices are pretty good compared to DoCoMos.

*tcg*
Sep 6, 2013, 08:08 AM
Softbank has a reputation for a poor network but they've been making real gains the last few years. They even offered free home antenna service to help persuade people not to jump ship. Their main problem now is that their bandwidth hasn't been keeping up with their gains in popularity. I use my phone as a radio for my car and had almost no dropouts back when the 3GS first came here, but now I'm getting several dropouts on every trip.

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PracticalMac
Sep 6, 2013, 12:44 PM
NTT DOCOMO will probably spam imessages to D/L their apps, like ATT, and it is a good thing.

Jjaro
Sep 8, 2013, 07:39 PM
Depends on where you are in Japan. Unless things have changed recently, AU reigned king in Okinawa and both Docomo and SoftBank weren't that great. AU was also the most reliable in the Tohoku region for a few months after the Tsunami. SoftBank now claims to be the best overall since the government granted SoftBank additional bandwidth. SoftBank has definitely been trying harder than anyone else. I remember seeing a news article claiming that SoftBank has significantly more cell towers than its competitors.

Docomo also had many well publicized server reliability issues in the past so Docomos dominance as the most reliable carrier is no longer true.

Well, I'm likely gonna switch again anyway. I live in Yokosuka, and Softbank's coverage there is garbage dude.

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Nothing NOTHING gets "added automatically" to a stock iPhone. The only way an app gets installed is if the user (or somebody setting up the phone for him or her) adds that app from the app store.

If you had a Softbank employee set up your iPhone and add the i.softbank account, then that person must have added this mysterious "official menu app" of which you speak.

An i.softbank account is simply an email address. No special app is required. I set up my own i.softbank account, and was never even prompted to download anything. (I configured the account through the iPhone's native Mail app.)

I'm no fan of Softbank, but I'm also not going to perpetuate a rumor that Softbank installs bloatware on iPhones. It just isn't true.

It also seems that the crazy allegations that are being posted here (Softbank bloatware, DoCoMo sucks, etc.) are from newly registered Macrumors members. If I was a suspicious person, I'd suspect that the NTT and Softbank PR departments have their English-speaking employees working these forums...

And, as you pointed out, one guy doesn't even live here in Japan! Lol, people are just trying to troll I think.

yukster
Sep 10, 2013, 10:22 PM
apps like Yahoo! / My softbank / Softbank official menu app.
These get added automatically when you setup an i.softbank account.

As others have stated, these things are never preinstalled on a Softbank iPhone. There is a profile that you can install that adds the i.softbank.jp IMAP email account, as well as Softbank's free WiFi account, but that does not install those apps.

If you have those apps on your iPhone, you can delete them, just like any other app.