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mr.thedaniel
Sep 5, 2013, 11:39 PM
I currently have an apple TV, use it often for netflix and hulu as I don't have cable. I'm really excited about Xbox One (especially because my 360 just red-ringed yesterday), especially for its non-gaming features.

I started thinking about my whole home theater setup, and started considering the advantages of attaching my apple TV to the Xbone hdmi pass-through for voice control. Any thoughts on this or other advantages/interesting ideas for owners of both xbone and atv?



WhiteIphone5
Sep 6, 2013, 01:03 AM
I currently have an apple TV, use it often for netflix and hulu as I don't have cable. I'm really excited about Xbox One (especially because my 360 just red-ringed yesterday), especially for its non-gaming features.

I started thinking about my whole home theater setup, and started considering the advantages of attaching my apple TV to the Xbone hdmi pass-through for voice control. Any thoughts on this or other advantages/interesting ideas for owners of both xbone and atv?

I believe the HDMI IN is limited to Set-Top boxes only.

bozzykid
Sep 6, 2013, 08:33 PM
I believe the HDMI IN is limited to Set-Top boxes only.

Any HDMI input will work. It will not be able to control your Apple TV like a STB but it will still work provided you use the Apple TV remote.

WhiteIphone5
Sep 6, 2013, 09:40 PM
Any HDMI input will work. It will not be able to control your Apple TV like a STB but it will still work provided you use the Apple TV remote.

I just don't see the point, unless you have 2-3 HDMI inputs on your TV. The Xbox one is coded to support Set-Top boxes like changing tv channels and such.
Would be nice if they open up for 3rd party support. But don't see that happening.

bozzykid
Sep 7, 2013, 09:55 AM
I just don't see the point, unless you have 2-3 HDMI inputs on your TV. The Xbox one is coded to support Set-Top boxes like changing tv channels and such.
Would be nice if they open up for 3rd party support. But don't see that happening.

The point is you hook up your main HDMI input to it and you can play Xbox (or apps on the Xbox) without having to switch inputs (and it is always on). Honestly, the IR support for controlling your STB will be terrible. But being able to instantly switch to your Xbox will be the killer feature and it will probably drive people to use the apps on the Xbox more than they do today. I would venture to say about 10 people will actually want to use their Xbox to control the STB.

WhiteIphone5
Sep 7, 2013, 10:05 AM
The point is you hook up your main HDMI input to it and you can play Xbox (or apps on the Xbox) without having to switch inputs (and it is always on). Honestly, the IR support for controlling your STB will be terrible. But being able to instantly switch to your Xbox will be the killer feature and it will probably drive people to use the apps on the Xbox more than they do today. I would venture to say about 10 people will actually want to use their Xbox to control the STB.

Count me as well. I use my Logitech revue (google tv) to control my STB, voice control on Xbox would be a nice addition :p

chrisrosemusic1
Sep 7, 2013, 12:05 PM
Any HDMI device can be used

ZeRoLiMiT
Sep 7, 2013, 05:47 PM
I an't wait to get my XBOX One! pre ordered and I got the day off for Nov 22th

WhiteIphone5
Sep 7, 2013, 06:47 PM
I an't wait to get my XBOX One! pre ordered and I got the day off for Nov 22th

Woot woot!

I was going to pre-order mine on store but did it online.

Love the anticipation when the UPS/FedEx guy is on his way.

I guess I'll be sleeping by the door the night before :p
Right in Time for the thanksgiving holiday

ZeRoLiMiT
Sep 7, 2013, 07:14 PM
Woot woot!

I was going to pre-order mine on store but did it online.

Love the anticipation when the UPS/FedEx guy is on his way.

I guess I'll be sleeping by the door the night before :p
Right in Time for the thanksgiving holiday

I will be at BESTBuy at 12:01am to get my XBOX One! I got friday off!

This will be my 2nd camp out! first was the iPhone 5! I couldn't wait for UPS had to get it that night! :apple:

WhiteIphone5
Sep 7, 2013, 07:43 PM
I will be at BESTBuy at 12:01am to get my XBOX One! I got friday off!

This will be my 2nd camp out! first was the iPhone 5! I couldn't wait for UPS had to get it that night! :apple:

12:01? You gotta be there like 6-7 PM.
It's going to be packed!
And be careful, wasn't so nice camping out 8 years ago.
News were reporting people getting shot and stuff lol

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 7, 2013, 07:53 PM
Honestly, the IR support for controlling your STB will be terrible.

Or not...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-what-the-xbox-one-dash-means-for-gamers


Voice control on Xbox One actually works and it seems to be genuinely useful. It should be faster than using the joypad for certain functions, but ideally you'd use both in concert. And as for Xbox's isolation from the rest of the components in your system, that is now clearly a thing of the past.

"It'll work with any TV, any amplifiers. It'll work with any AV equipment at home," says Xbox director of product planning Albert Penello. "When we say 'Xbox On' we can actually light up your whole entire system and control everything just with voice."

With full system integration, voice control comes into its own. Penello likens Xbox One's incorporation with your equipment to the Harmony universal remote, except that your voice is the key. You can walk into your lounge and your voice powers up everything: you won't need to reach for your remote or Xbox controller, you won't need to use multiple doobries to access each part of your system. Two words and you're up and running. Xbox One is always on. Even in its low-power sleep state, it should fully reactivate before your HDTV gets around to displaying its image. From a dashboard perspective at least, the days of waiting around for your console to boot should now be a thing of the past.

For this technology to work effectively, three things need to happen. First of all, Kinect's voice recognition tech has to just work - no mean feat considering the amount of languages supported, and the range of accents to accurately process. Secondly, Xbox One needs to know exactly what equipment is in the room in order to speak their own individual infra-red based languages. And finally, and perhaps most crucially, the IR signals that emanate from the console always need to register with the target hardware.

(snip)

Integration with your home system comes via a simple set-up procedure, but Penello's instructions are clearly making their way through to the TV he has set up in the presentation room. And it's all happening without any kind of traditional IR blaster visible in the room.

"Xbox mute. Xbox unmute. Xbox volume up. Xbox volume down."

"That's not going through wires," says Xbox group manager of corporate PR, David Dennis. "That's Kinect blasting the infra-red codes to the TV, the TV picks it up and that's the TV UI changing."

(snip)

But what is impressive is that every voice command registered by Kinect is flawlessly transmitted to the relevant kit in the room. It works so well because Kinect itself is the IR blaster. Microsoft has augmented the new Kinect sensor with an IR transmitter in order to see the environment even in pitch black conditions. The upshot of this is that the technology works by drenching the entire room in infra-red light. Forget little LEDs attached to wires you dangle in front of your set-top box; if that's an IR blaster, the Kinect solution is effectively the equivalent of going nuclear. Debug Kinect tools allow you to see what the IR sensor sees - complete blanket infra-red coverage of the whole room. It's hard to imagine a scenario where this form of IR blasting wouldn't work.

ZeRoLiMiT
Sep 7, 2013, 11:09 PM
Yeah my wife will be there at 3pm and I will be there after work at 6pm

bozzykid
Sep 8, 2013, 07:11 PM
Or not...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-what-the-xbox-one-dash-means-for-gamers

Oh it will. There's is no way it will be flawless. And it will be delayed (that is the nature of using IR blasters).

MS should really be ashamed at how they showed off the video of the user browsing the guide and instantly changing channels. What they didn't show is your Xbox sending the 3 channels numbers via IR, pausing, then sending enter. Then your TV shows the ugly cable box guide below the Xbox interface hiding most of what is on the screen for several more seconds.

Airforcekid
Sep 8, 2013, 07:52 PM
I have a 360 now, but im going PS4 this generation with a rasberry pi running xbian. Im hoping in a few years I wont even conceive the idea of using a cable box the PS4's internet tv seems more futureproof,and if it flops I can still make my own setups that will outperform the xboxs media capabilities.

Jjaro
Sep 12, 2013, 04:48 AM
I just hope it works with my Japanese set-top box. I'm sure it will eventually, just not right away. :(

bozzykid
Sep 12, 2013, 11:09 AM
I just hope it works with my Japanese set-top box. I'm sure it will eventually, just not right away. :(

It depends on what you mean by works. You can run your hdmi in the Xbox One and out the TV. This will let you use the Kinect or Xbox controller to play games/apps and go back to your stb. Even if it doesn't "work" with your STB, it just means you can't use it to change channels or use the guide. Like I said earlier, this is not going to be a great feature anyways unlike the bogus videos they showed. But most of the features will work no matter what box you have.

Lgreer
Dec 1, 2013, 04:48 PM
Anyone have this working? I saw a video of someone who had it working but they were also running XBMC on their Apple TV so I think it was jailbroken (?).

I have it all plugged in correctly, but I get no video from the Apple TV, only sound. I unplugged and plugged in the Apple TV and got the white Apple logo loading visible on the Xbone, but when it's done loading it goes back to the black screen audio only.

Any ideas?

eliehass
Dec 2, 2013, 10:21 AM
Anyone have this working? I saw a video of someone who had it working but they were also running XBMC on their Apple TV so I think it was jailbroken (?).

I have it all plugged in correctly, but I get no video from the Apple TV, only sound. I unplugged and plugged in the Apple TV and got the white Apple logo loading visible on the Xbone, but when it's done loading it goes back to the black screen audio only.

Any ideas?

I have it working. I am also able to control the video (pause, play, rewind, fast forward) on my apple tv using kinect voice commands.

I had the same issue as you at first (only sound no video) I took the HDMI cord out on the apple tv, then put it back in, then I did the same to the other end that was in the xbox, and then it worked fine for me.

To get the playback commands to work with the apple tv, set your set top box manufacturer to Apple, and the device to Apple TV (when I tried AppleTV 2 it did not work for me)

Lgreer
Dec 2, 2013, 10:56 AM
Thanks for the tips! I'll be trying this out as soon as I get the chance!

Lgreer
Dec 2, 2013, 01:01 PM
Got it working just like you said! I had to try with the Xbox One running the "TV" mode for it to do the video handshake. But now it's working great!

THANK YOU!

taylord22
Dec 4, 2013, 11:14 AM
OT

Has anyone tried a receiver into the Xbox One?

Giuly
Dec 5, 2013, 06:29 AM
Honestly, the IR support for controlling your STB will be terrible.

That's a thing of the past, thanks to CEC-HDMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC).

bozzykid
Dec 5, 2013, 10:19 PM
That's a thing of the past, thanks to CEC-HDMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC).

Except the Xbox One doesn't support it.

Giuly
Dec 6, 2013, 12:33 AM
Except the Xbox One doesn't support it.

Why am I not surprised, at all. :rolleyes:

bozzykid
Dec 6, 2013, 11:37 AM
Why am I not surprised, at all. :rolleyes:

The sad thing is many people think that is what it is using since there is not an external IR blaster. But like the newer Slingboxes, the Xbox uses the Kinect to blast IR in all directions without the need for an external IR blaster.

Giuly
Dec 6, 2013, 10:34 PM
The sad thing is many people think that is what it is using since there is not an external IR blaster. But like the newer Slingboxes, the Xbox uses the Kinect to blast IR in all directions without the need for an external IR blaster.

Actually, it turned out that the Xbox One does support HDMI-CEC, but there is not a single cable box in the US that supports it, too.

bozzykid
Dec 6, 2013, 10:53 PM
Actually, it turned out that the Xbox One does support HDMI-CEC, but there is not a single cable box in the US that supports it, too.

Well, yes, technically it supports it. But technically it supports a lot things. But it doesn't matter if it isn't using it.

JohnnyComeLatly
Dec 13, 2013, 04:53 PM
Well, yes, technically it supports it. But technically it supports a lot things. But it doesn't matter if it isn't using it.

Right but like the IR blaster being a tactical bomb, and the Kinect is a strategic nuke with the IR Spray, it means you're more likely future proof. I'd rather it have the CDMI data capbability, and the industry ignore/skip, than it NOT have it and everything else uses the CDMI equiv to UPnP.

Keep in mind, UPnP took awhile too, and most early tech articles said to turn it off because the insane increase in overhead traffic over Wifi routers.

bozzykid
Dec 13, 2013, 10:33 PM
Right but like the IR blaster being a tactical bomb, and the Kinect is a strategic nuke with the IR Spray, it means you're more likely future proof. I'd rather it have the CDMI data capbability, and the industry ignore/skip, than it NOT have it and everything else uses the CDMI equiv to UPnP.

Keep in mind, UPnP took awhile too, and most early tech articles said to turn it off because the insane increase in overhead traffic over Wifi routers.

The problem with HDMI-CEC is cable companies are not going to support it because they feel like it hurts their business. HDMI-CEC is becoming pretty standard for tvs. But using IR to turn on tvs and change the volume is not really a problem with the Xbox since that is such a small part of the average use with the Xbox.

tmazz
May 1, 2014, 10:31 AM
I have it working. I am also able to control the video (pause, play, rewind, fast forward) on my apple tv using kinect voice commands.

I had the same issue as you at first (only sound no video) I took the HDMI cord out on the apple tv, then put it back in, then I did the same to the other end that was in the xbox, and then it worked fine for me.

To get the playback commands to work with the apple tv, set your set top box manufacturer to Apple, and the device to Apple TV (when I tried AppleTV 2 it did not work for me)

eliehass I tried to set my Apple TV up the way you described here, however the controls still dont work (I tried with Apple TV and AppleTV2). Are your controls still working? Did you change any other preferences?

cavemonkey50
May 1, 2014, 10:51 AM
eliehass I tried to set my Apple TV up the way you described here, however the controls still dont work (I tried with Apple TV and AppleTV2). Are your controls still working? Did you change any other preferences?

I had this issue, and it turns out I had my Apple TV paired to a remote, and it wasn't accepting commands from other remotes. Unpair your remote and the IR commands should work.

tmazz
May 1, 2014, 11:07 AM
I had this issue, and it turns out I had my Apple TV paired to a remote, and it wasn't accepting commands from other remotes. Unpair your remote and the IR commands should work.

Oh cool, thanks. Will the grey remote still work afterwards? Also obviously the main thing I want to work is the pause/play, but are there any commands for Up Down Left Right?

Southern Dad
May 1, 2014, 11:58 AM
I have run my Apple TV through my Xbox. It works fine. You may have to change out the HDMI cable that Xbox shipped with it or you'll get a message saying it can't display. I've swapped that cable when hooking it up. I wish I could resize the Snapped screen.

irnchriz
May 1, 2014, 12:10 PM
As said by others you can plug in any HDMI source. Be aware that the image is not simply passed through but is processed. Depending on the source it can make the image laggy/lower quality or even jerky. I no longer have anything connected to my HDMI in for these reasons.

cavemonkey50
May 1, 2014, 12:53 PM
Oh cool, thanks. Will the grey remote still work afterwards? Also obviously the main thing I want to work is the pause/play, but are there any commands for Up Down Left Right?

Yes, the grey remote still works after unpairing it. Pairing locks the Apple TV to one remote. Unpaired allows any remote.

Xbox One only does play/pause right now, but there is no reason it couldn't do the other commands in the future with a software update.