Microsoft to Mac users: Ditch Explorer

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[YunusEmre]

How ironic. I suspect a lot of folks here already know IE is less than useless (unless you are one of those hackers who try to take control of other peoples PCs using IE). I've onwed PCs for many years and never used IE. Thank god there was Netscape before MS came up with IE.

[mduser63]

At least they've fixed it so that msn.com doesn't crash Explorer like it started doing around the time 10.4.3 was released.

[Seasought]

I like IE.

<runs>

Kidding. I really enjoy Safari so far...

[nagromme]

Mac users to Microsoft: Explorer? Whoa! Flashback!

[Kobushi]

I still use explorer, when something doesn't load properly in Safari. Occasionally, I'll use it to keep .mpg and .wmv files on my hard drive as I haven't bothered to learn how to do it with safari (when control-click isn't an option)....basically I dig it out of the temporary files.

They're right, though. MSN.com looks like it was desinged by a 5th grader when viewed through IE.

[dontmatter]

Seems to me, the lack of any update of mac explorer is pretty much microsoft saying this already... and this has been true since, oh.... longer than 2003, even.

I don't know though, I still have some problems with real/wma/quicktime stuff, particularly audio, with both safari and firefox, so I'm still waiting for a "perfect" browser. By which I don't mean absolutely perfect or tailored to me, because that cannot exist, but perfect like does everything right consistantly. Same with OS, I guess.

[TheMonarch]

Screw Explorer.


Ew.


Safari is "OK", but Safari gets PWNED by Win. Firefox any day... :cool:

Sadly. :(

[generik]

Safari is good in that it is actually a OSX application, but what I like about Firefox is it renders pages as images load; very unlike safari which has to load every single damned resource on a page before rendering it :(

[CanadaRAM]

I've onwed PCs for many years
... living in sin...

;)

[bentley]

Opera works very good when a page needs to be IE compatible.

I use Camino for day to day browsing. Lightning fast rendering.

[Photorun]

But it's still an interesting twist in the relationship between the two pioneering PC companies.

C|Net still shilling for Microsuck? "Two pioneering..." huh? Only one of them seems to clearly be pioneering, unless "pioneering" is new lingo for "copying the other." The article certainly had snark towards Mac users.

It should also be noted that if you do a clean install of a system with say Tiger, IE doesn't install with it, yet it did with Panther. Yet a new Mac comes preinstalled with IE still (or at least a fleet of new eMacs did). Guess Apple is trying to stay away from antitrust suits?

[bwintx]

If you use MS Office 2004 and need to download clip art from the Microsoft Web site, using MSIE makes it a lot easier to download properly to the Office 2004 Clip Gallery app. (Not that this is terribly surprising, as if somebody designed it that way, of course!) If you've (wisely) made another browser your default, you should do it this way, and in this order:

Use MSIE to go to the appropriate site -- http://office.microsoft.com/clipart.
In your Microsoft app, start to insert clip art, which opens the Clip Gallery app. Important: DON'T click on the "Online" button, because this will bring up your default browser.
Back in MSIE, use the Office clip art site to select clip art for downloading, and then follow the downloading procedure. The selected files will appear in the Clip Gallery app and will be available for future use.
Close MSIE.

Perhaps some of you have had better luck with other browsers on this, but I've found the procedure above less of a hassle.

[2GMario]

i dont like safari because it doesnt apply CSS to buttons and other controls on a web page

this is a problem. When your developing a website that needs to be cross browser compatible.

I will normally dev with testing in Firefox, once firefox is cool i go and check it out in IE on a PC and make any changes there. Safari gets checked if i have time.

-Mario

[Stella]

IE is a truely horridous browser - bug ridden - many CSS bugs. It doesn't look like IE 7 is going to bring the browser up to date, sadly.

Its time to stop using IE on any browser and for lazy web developers to code against W3C instead of using non standard IE methods. Regarding javascript there is absolutely no excuse for people using document.all - unfortunately, a lot think that is actually the correct way ( document.getElement* , please ).

A webpage may look good in Safari, Mozilla but in IE, it totally fails to render correctly - especially when using CSS.

IE is a complete and utter nightmare.

When developing web pages personally, I worry about - Mozilla / Safari and only then IE, last.

[Chef Medeski]

The best browers is a very simple hybrid of two very promsing emerging browers: Flock & Camino. Flock has some superb functions such as history caching, tab control, bookmark control, password control. However it is a bit slower than slow and has a bit of a problem opening tabs quickly. Its RSS control is also abismal. Camino on the other hand is quiker than anything I've ever seen. Just a speedy demon, too bad it has like no functions. I mean its RSS from firefox is very nice, but you need more than RSS nowadays to cause a stir. If there ever was a brower with Camino looks, Flock Features, Camino Speed, Flock ingenuity, and a bit of Firefox RSS thrown in. WOW!!! That it for me. Right not I actually juggle between the two browers. Flock is my main broswer due to sheer features. However, when I need speed or am working on research, camino is at the tip of my Spotlight search. Now only to get ex-Firefox employees to leave Flock and join Camino.....

[coolfactor]

Safari is good in that it is actually a OSX application, but what I like about Firefox is it renders pages as images load; very unlike safari which has to load every single damned resource on a page before rendering it :(

Download the OnyX utility and enable Safari "fast rendering" mode. You'll get what you want.

[coolfactor]

i dont like safari because it doesnt apply CSS to buttons and other controls on a web page
-Mario

The latest version supports styling of controls, but I haven't tested it out yet.

[YunusEmre]

... living in sin...

;)

and in pain. But no more, for I am a true mac believer and would have still been a mac owner if it had not been for the evil horizontal lines. Banish those lines from the face of the earth! But I can feel it, in my near future there is mac mini before there is a new 15" HolyBook (err, PowerBook) :D

[-hh]

I still use explorer, when something doesn't load properly in Safari...


We've run across a couple of business websites that don't "like" Safari. One example is the online bill paying section for Verizon Wireless. Its pretty much the only thing we use IE for anymore.



-hh

[p0intblank]

Ick! It is ugly when using IE... I do use Explorer from time to time, though. For sites like MySpace that sometimes don't work on Safari and Firefox, IE usually gets the job done.

On a related note, why don't Microsoft just re-write the app entirely? The same goes for WMP... laziness!

[macFanDave]

Today, they are saying, "If you are using Internet Explorer for Mac, we recommend that you use another browser to have an optimal experience on MSN."

Soon, you'll fire up your PC and it will say:

"If you are using Microsoft Windows, we recommend that you use Mac OS X to have an optimal experience."

Hallelujah!

[Stella]

When Hell Freezes over ( Again )!!!


Today, they are saying, "If you are using Internet Explorer for Mac, we recommend that you use another browser to have an optimal experience on MSN."

Soon, you'll fire up your PC and it will say:

"If you are using Microsoft Windows, we recommend that you use Mac OS X to have an optimal experience."

Hallelujah!

[Kobushi]

We've run across a couple of business websites that don't "like" Safari. One example is the online bill paying section for Verizon Wireless. Its pretty much the only thing we use IE for anymore.



-hh
Really? That was one site I couldn't get to work with either browser. Maybe they've changed it a bit since I last tired (1.5 years ago).

[SilvorX]

Screw Explorer.
Safari is "OK", but Safari gets PWNED by Win. Firefox any day... :cool:

Sadly. :(
Firefox on Windows crashes more than IE for Windows for me now days.. that's sad

[generik]

Firefox on Windows crashes more than IE for Windows for me now days.. that's sad

It barely crashes for me, do you have the latest updates installed?