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MacRumors
Sep 10, 2013, 02:30 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/09/iphone5s.jpgDuring today's iPhone event, Apple announced that customers would be able to pre-order the colorful iPhone 5c (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/10/apple-announces-colorful-new-iphone-5c-starting-at-99-on-two-year-contract/) beginning on September 13, but there was no pre-order date given for the iPhone 5s.

Instead, Apple supplied only a September 20 release date for its flagship phone, which means the iPhone 5s will not be able to be pre-ordered ahead of time. Customers who wish to obtain an iPhone 5s on release day will need to visit an Apple Store or brick and mortar carrier store to purchase the phone.

Apple will, presumably, begin accepting online orders for the iPhone 5s on September 20, but waiting in line will almost certainly be necessary to get a phone in-hand on the release date.

Apple's iPhone 5s (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/10/apple-announces-iphone-5s/) comes with a 64-bit A7 processor, a Touch ID fingerprint sensor, and new camera enhancements. It will ship with iOS 7 and can be purchased in three colors, including "space gray", white, and gold. The 16GB version of the iPhone 5s will cost $199 with a 2-year contract and $649 unlocked and contract free.

Article Link: iPhone 5s Will Not Be Available for Pre-Order (http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/10/iphone-5s-will-not-be-available-for-pre-order/)



musika
Sep 10, 2013, 02:30 PM
I guess I'll be standing in line come the 20th.

Ent
Sep 10, 2013, 02:33 PM
This is a stupid move IMO.

22mac
Sep 10, 2013, 02:33 PM
Wow Apple really sucks today. The 5s is really awful.

Nyy8
Sep 10, 2013, 02:34 PM
Grab the tents and the blankets. It's going to be a cold and long night.

Nevermind, I'll be sitting in a mall. :D

noah82
Sep 10, 2013, 02:34 PM
I blame this on China. This is the first time the phone has been available on release date there and that means no preorders here.

dannyyankou
Sep 10, 2013, 02:35 PM
Wow, the lines are going to be huge.

Wilson1313
Sep 10, 2013, 02:35 PM
They just want the media attention of long lines to make the launch seem as successful as possible....

Cougarcat
Sep 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
I guess I'll be standing in line come the 20th.

Good luck. Those lines are going to be a nightmare.

Lancer
Sep 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
I was expecting more, what happened to the 128Gb model? :rolleyes:

WhoDaKat
Sep 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
What are they thinking? No pre-orders is absurd. There are many of us who don't have the time to sit in a line for days.

Rangers30
Sep 10, 2013, 02:37 PM
They just want the media attention of long lines to make the launch seem as successful as possible....

Winner winner chicken dinner!

BreuerEditor
Sep 10, 2013, 02:37 PM
...can be purchased in three colors, including "space gray", white, and black.

It's actually Space Gray, Gold, and Silver:

http://www.sealightentertainment.com/iPhone5S-colors.png

ValSalva
Sep 10, 2013, 02:38 PM
What are they thinking? No pre-orders is absurd. There are many of us who don't have the time to sit in a line for days.

Apple is thinking that they don't care. They'll sell them to people who have jobs a few weeks later :(

AppleMark
Sep 10, 2013, 02:38 PM
They just want the media attention of long lines to make the launch seem as successful as possible....

Agreed, sounds a bit desperate.

leon44
Sep 10, 2013, 02:39 PM
Sounds like a strategic move to create longer queues, nah, come on guys :(
I like the phone though!

justinfreid
Sep 10, 2013, 02:40 PM
How annoying - I wonder if this is a matter of logistics or of wanting to make use of the halo effect. Get people in the brick and mortar locations so they walk away with more merch.

haydn!
Sep 10, 2013, 02:42 PM
I think it's probably to due with yields needed. If they're launching in China from day one, and plan to be in 100 countries by the end of the year, it's probably just a case of they don't have enough stock to do pre-orders, and then have some available for networks and on the day walk-in sales.

There was already some stories about low volumes from production a few weeks ago, so this is probably because of that.

PaulOBrain
Sep 10, 2013, 02:42 PM
Dick move by Apple.

Trius
Sep 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
What are they thinking? No pre-orders is absurd. There are many of us who don't have the time to sit in a line for days.

Agreed. I'm pretty pissed off about this.

TAI182
Sep 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
Do you guys think arriving around 10:00 PM on Thursday night to an Apple or AT&T store would be sufficient? I can't make it there any earlier.

ncfuser
Sep 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
I think it's probably to due with yields needed. If they're launching in China from day one, and plan to be in 100 countries by the end of the year, it's probably just a case of they don't have enough stock to do pre-orders, and then have some available for networks and on the day walk-in sales.

There was already some stories about low volumes from production a few weeks ago, so this is probably because of that.

I was thinking the same thing.

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
Wow Apple really sucks today. The 5s is really awful.

Every year...:rolleyes:

DotCom2
Sep 10, 2013, 02:45 PM
WHAT? OMG! That's insane!:eek:

musika
Sep 10, 2013, 02:46 PM
Good luck. Those lines are going to be a nightmare.

I'll be there early.

nutmac
Sep 10, 2013, 02:46 PM
My theory is that Apple expects 5c to outsell 5s by far and thus not wanting to risk overloading their servers (well, mostly carrier's eligibility/upgrade servers) by offering both models for pre-order.

Anyway, it looks like 5s will be available for online order on the 20th. I just hope it will ship quickly enough as I refuse to wait in line to buy the phone.

blue22
Sep 10, 2013, 02:47 PM
Slick. But not surprising. Apple is just trying to drive up demand for the 5S with the lack of pre-order option. Plus, wasn't it already mentioned that stock of iPhone 5S will initially be constrained to about 3-4 million units in the USA?

Carmenia83
Sep 10, 2013, 02:48 PM
No thanks! Had my 4, 4S, and 5 on launch day without standing in line and I certainly won't be starting now. I have a job and a life. I can wait until whenever it shows up on my doorstep.

matjamca
Sep 10, 2013, 02:48 PM
Seriously disappointed with lack of pre-order. Why have they taken this decision?

In fact, this might actually stop me buying it.

Ridiculous!

Earendil
Sep 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
They just want the media attention of long lines to make the launch seem as successful as possible....

I was thinking this too, and then I remembered that usually the initial launch is US or almost US only before opening up to the rest of the world. In other words, Apple's initial stock has been held for US costumers giving us preferential treatment. This time they are launching in 9 countries! A quick jaunt over to wolfram alpha puts the approximate population of those other 8 countries at around 6 times the united states.

I think this just means the US may not be getting special treatment, which I'll miss, but I'm sure the international community appreciates having access on day one, even if it means shorter supply in the US.

Apple is thinking that they don't care. They'll sell them to people who have jobs a few weeks later :(

Also this. Anyone willing to pre-order is probably not a costumer they are concerned with losing because the customer has to wait 2 or 3 days :rolleyes:

Sabenth
Sep 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
I am not surprised by this at all they have started to follow the trends of other companies do you have to pre order the latest samsung or htc or nokia nope

Carmenia83
Sep 10, 2013, 02:51 PM
Do you guys think arriving around 10:00 PM on Thursday night to an Apple or AT&T store would be sufficient? I can't make it there any earlier.

Depends on your area. People already started lining up at the 5th Ave Apple store in NYC a few days ago.

Earendil
Sep 10, 2013, 02:52 PM
Seriously disappointed with lack of pre-order. Why have they taken this decision?

In fact, this might actually stop me buying it.

Ridiculous!

So let me get this straight, your checklist of required features for a next phone purchase included:
"Receive phone same day as everyone else in the world, not 3 days later" ?
Wow dude :cool:

NickG420
Sep 10, 2013, 02:53 PM
Hopefully we can order online and pick up in store.

Otherwise they can keep their phone...I'm not waiting in line for 12+ hours and being bombarded to buy a $2 phone case for $39 ect ect...And have every other person in line "What color you get bro?" "Pfftt just the 16 gig?" ect ect

My wife texted me today as she just bought the Iphone 5 in June and said..."Oh great thanks Apple you mean to tell me I paid $100 too much for my phone??"

Just a weird move by Apple I think...

Mums
Sep 10, 2013, 02:53 PM
Agreed, sounds a bit desperate.

You're right: What if Apple is being set up as a new Titanic to take down the US economy?

nagromme
Sep 10, 2013, 02:54 PM
Nobody's going to buy one now--the lines will last for months! Goodbye, Apple! :p

People do realize you don't actually have to wait in line, right? Even if you can't "pre" order an iPhone, you can still "order" an iPhone. They're shipping soon--it's not like we're talking a long time here.

If you're worried about getting to the "head of the line" among online orders, your challenge is just the same as a pre-order: when orders become available, it will be first-come first-served.

Or just wait a couple weeks and get one easily.

Carlanga
Sep 10, 2013, 02:55 PM
Hopefully we can order online and pick up in store.

Otherwise they can keep their phone...I'm not waiting in line for 12+ hours and being bombarded to buy a $2 phone case for $39 ect ect...And have every other person in line "What color you get bro?" "Pfftt just the 16 gig?" ect ect

My wife texted me today as she just bought the Iphone 5 in June and said..."Oh great thanks Apple you mean to tell me I paid $100 too much for my phone??"

Just a weird move by Apple I think...
you mean to tell me you have a wife that made a 'bold' choice on June and you are a member here since 2010 and didn't tell her a new one was around the corner, come on...

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 02:56 PM
Seriously disappointed with lack of pre-order. Why have they taken this decision?

In fact, this might actually stop me buying it.

Ridiculous!

You'll definitely buy it.

SONiC5
Sep 10, 2013, 02:56 PM
I guess those people camping out already in Manhattan don't look as stupid as they did the other day.

Camping out for a phone is still crazy to me, I have no problem waiting until its available.

xvii
Sep 10, 2013, 02:56 PM
"three colors, including "space gray", white, and black"


huh???

SeaFox
Sep 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
What are they thinking? No pre-orders is absurd. There are many of us who don't have the time to sit in a line for days.

Irony: People most likely to be able to sit in line for days are folks who don't have jobs and can't afford to buy an iPhone anyway.

Jades
Sep 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
If we order online on the 20th, what time and what time zone can we start ordering?
And will in-store pickup be available on the 19th at 10pm, or at least on the 20th at 12 AM PST (or hopefully EST in my case)?

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
Hopefully we can order online and pick up in store.

Otherwise they can keep their phone...I'm not waiting in line for 12+ hours and being bombarded to buy a $2 phone case for $39 ect ect...And have every other person in line "What color you get bro?" "Pfftt just the 16 gig?" ect ect

My wife texted me today as she just bought the Iphone 5 in June and said..."Oh great thanks Apple you mean to tell me I paid $100 too much for my phone??"

Just a weird move by Apple I think...

Amateur move buying a end of cycle phone right before a refresh.

Trius
Sep 10, 2013, 02:57 PM
So let me get this straight, your checklist of required features for a next phone purchase included:
"Receive phone same day as everyone else in the world, not 3 days later" ?
Wow dude :cool:

Three days? Have you never been through this before? In the past, if you don't pre-order and you're not camping outside of the store, you don't get a new iPhone for months... Apple shot themselves in the foot here. I can see them losing sales due to this.

blackcrayon
Sep 10, 2013, 02:58 PM
I'm disappointed there won't be preorders for the 5s, but if you don't want to wait in line, why is it so bad to wait an extra couple of days for it to be shipped? :confused: It's hardly evil and anti-consumer if the only difference is you won't be the first guy on the block to have one.

roadbloc
Sep 10, 2013, 02:59 PM
I guess this means the lines from the Apple Store will be huge on release day.

I'll be there early.
One could argue you're already late. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1631921)

AppleMark
Sep 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
It's actually Space Gray, Gold, and Silver:

Image (http://www.sealightentertainment.com/iPhone5S-colors.png)

Well, I have never not had a case for my iPhones. So seeing as the 'new colour' design only allows for the finish on the back and the sides, mine will look either white or black whichever one I buy....

Like it has always done.

blackcrayon
Sep 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
Three days? Have you never been through this before? In the past, if you don't pre-order and you're not camping outside of the store, you don't get a new iPhone for months... Apple shot themselves in the foot here. I can see them losing sales due to this.

But since there won't be preorders before then, perhaps there will be plenty of "online" stock if you order promptly on the 20th.

TXCherokee
Sep 10, 2013, 03:03 PM
I think it's probably to due with yields needed. If they're launching in China from day one, and plan to be in 100 countries by the end of the year, it's probably just a case of they don't have enough stock to do pre-orders, and then have some available for networks and on the day walk-in sales.

There was already some stories about low volumes from production a few weeks ago, so this is probably because of that.

^THIS!
And if owning it on launch day is that important you have your priorities all wrong.

asleep
Sep 10, 2013, 03:04 PM
Chicken***** ploy that Steve Jobs would never engage in. Not falling for it.

http://www.jasoncleaveland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/no-apple-45x45.jpg

Erphern
Sep 10, 2013, 03:05 PM
Is it likely to be "an extra couple of days" or "months"?

I haven't participated in an iPhone launch before - which is closer to reality?

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 03:06 PM
Three days? Have you never been through this before? In the past, if you don't pre-order and you're not camping outside of the store, you don't get a new iPhone for months... Apple shot themselves in the foot here. I can see them losing sales due to this.

Walk me through your logic here.

If you order it the second it goes on sale and there are preorders, you get it right away.

But if you order it the second it goes on sale and there are no preorders, you get it in 3 months?

I doubt it will work that way. Just order it as fast as you can once it goes on sale online.

NickG420
Sep 10, 2013, 03:06 PM
you mean to tell me you have a wife that made a 'bold' choice on June and you are a member here since 2010 and didn't tell her a new one was around the corner, come on...

Obviously you're not married...:D

I don't tell my wife what she can and can't buy. To be honest, I welcomed her getting rid of her Galaxy Note so I did not have to hear her b*tch about it every day...Plus she allowed to be an Anniversary gift...2 birds with one stone...

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 03:08 PM
Chicken***** ploy that Steve Jobs would never engage in. Not falling for it.

Image (http://www.jasoncleaveland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/no-apple-45x45.jpg)

Falling for what?

Ryth
Sep 10, 2013, 03:09 PM
My guess is they expect to sell more of the 5C vs the 5S and their production has been tailored right now for the 5C.

jianglai
Sep 10, 2013, 03:10 PM
Interestingly, on Apple's Chinese website it states that you can order 5s starting from 9/17 and pick it up from an Apple store on the 20th. But I guess this is more due to limited supply in China, and whoever plans to go to Apple store on launch day better secure one online first if he/she doesn't want to wait in the line for nothing.

tito2020
Sep 10, 2013, 03:14 PM
Apl stock has plunged

bunnicula
Sep 10, 2013, 03:16 PM
Pre-orders and working from home on launch day are time-honored traditions! And, yeah. If they have very little stock and no pre-orders? They'll ship it to the stores. I've never stood in line for one and I've owned every model.

I think this is gonna piss off more people than it makes happy.

brinycbri
Sep 10, 2013, 03:16 PM
Apl stock has plunged

Argh I hate when people who have no knowledge of how the stock market works talk about the share price in this way.

Cody21
Sep 10, 2013, 03:16 PM
Still gonna order the 5S from the Apple website on the 20th, regardless. No pre-orders doesn't make me feel like I need to stand in line for it.

solo118
Sep 10, 2013, 03:17 PM
My guess is they expect to sell more of the 5C vs the 5S and their production has been tailored right now for the 5C.

Or they want anxious users to preorder the 5C rather than waiting for the 5S :eek:

No big deal though, I will order on the 20th and whenever it comes, it comes.

paulsdenton
Sep 10, 2013, 03:17 PM
It looks like it's available for order on the Apple Store web site, unless I'm reading it wrong. The store on my iPhone 5.

petvas
Sep 10, 2013, 03:17 PM
I also don't understand why Apple doesn't allow any pre-orders. I guess I will have to go to a store and get it..
I am getting an iPhone 5S White/silver 32Gb..

Tragic Gnome
Sep 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
I was looking forward to pre-ordering the 5S on 13th too :(. Drats. Looks like I'm gonna have to wait until it becomes available again.

Ryth
Sep 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
Argh I hate when people who have no knowledge of how the stock market works talk about the share price in this way.

Yep. Buy on the rumor, sell on the news.

matjamca
Sep 10, 2013, 03:20 PM
You'll definitely buy it.

Absolutely

rockitdog
Sep 10, 2013, 03:22 PM
Wow Apple really sucks today. The 5s is really awful.

Everything that could be known about the iPhone was known before today so why are you all bent all out of shape. What did you expect? You realize nobody is forcing you to buy this, right?

ghostface147
Sep 10, 2013, 03:23 PM
I was expecting more, what happened to the 128Gb model? :rolleyes:

That's the iPhone Ocho.

makisushi
Sep 10, 2013, 03:25 PM
I really don't want to wait in line with all the great unwashed...

DotCom2
Sep 10, 2013, 03:25 PM
I just wanna know when is the online orders for the 5S and what is the ETA from order date?

Small White Car
Sep 10, 2013, 03:25 PM
I think they're trying to launch in more countries simultaneously than ever before.

That's probably all there is to this.

Sucks for us, yes, but it's not quite the conspiracy some are making it out to be.

eastercat
Sep 10, 2013, 03:26 PM
Chicken***** ploy that Steve Jobs would never engage in. Not falling for it.
Oh please. The first iPhone didn't have pre-order, so yes he did the same damn thing.

It's disappointing that I won't get to play with the phone over the weekend. <first world problems>
I'll online order on the 20th and cross my fingers for store pickup that weekend.

Colpeas
Sep 10, 2013, 03:27 PM
I was expecting more, what happened to the 128Gb model? :rolleyes:

Ehm, for the record, 128Gb = 16GB. Your desired model will be available on Sept. 20.

Technarchy
Sep 10, 2013, 03:29 PM
I think it's probably to due with yields needed. If they're launching in China from day one, and plan to be in 100 countries by the end of the year, it's probably just a case of they don't have enough stock to do pre-orders, and then have some available for networks and on the day walk-in sales.

There was already some stories about low volumes from production a few weeks ago, so this is probably because of that.

This is the most likely scenario.

AppleFan91
Sep 10, 2013, 03:31 PM
Huh, kinda slightly annoyed. Just simply because i really did enjoy getting up at 3am EST and being able to track my iPhone as it came to my doorstep. I guess I will have to wait in a line. So i guess I have to get to my store on Thursday night.

1. I have one Apple Store in my state, should I go to that? Or would it be better to go to my local Verizon corporate store?
2. Will they be doing midnight launches or will it be when the store opens the next day?
3. I am not the account holder with VZW, but I am an account manager, will I be able to buy it in the store with an upgrade.
4. Does anyone know if the carriers will be doing preorders?

PaulieORF
Sep 10, 2013, 03:31 PM
Please don't read into this too much, but I just spoke to my Verizon B2B account executive, and he said that he "heard rumblings" that Verizon will offer preorders for both the 5C and 5S for business customers (through the My Business portal) on 9/13. He told me not to get too excited because nothing has actually been announced. This gets my hopes up slightly, but I'm not counting on it actually happening.

Radio
Sep 10, 2013, 03:32 PM
Good media opportunity for apple

I do hope it back fires

Dr Kevorkian94
Sep 10, 2013, 03:32 PM
Well ill be on line at the apple store then

StyxMaker
Sep 10, 2013, 03:32 PM
Seriously disappointed with lack of pre-order. Why have they taken this decision?

In fact, this might actually stop me buying it.

Ridiculous!

That should teach Apple a lesson they'll never forget.

gmhag
Sep 10, 2013, 03:36 PM
This is genius. The hysteria is already percolating.

Radio
Sep 10, 2013, 03:37 PM
It's actually Space Gray, Gold, and Silver:

Image (http://www.sealightentertainment.com/iPhone5S-colors.png)

Space grey so u dont see the broken paint chipped off the chamfer

-js-
Sep 10, 2013, 03:44 PM
I noticed that the 5S was available in the Apple Store App and it confirmed my eligibility for an upgrade, I said, OK, great, BUY, selected color and size, then had the options for AppleCare+, extra cables, etc. And as soon as I add ANYTHING else, the price jumps from $399 to over $800?!?! Of course availability to ship says not currently available anyway, so I don't know what it means that you can add it to your cart.

Anyone else notice this?

ffmed124
Sep 10, 2013, 03:48 PM
I noticed that the 5S was available in the Apple Store App and it confirmed my eligibility for an upgrade, I said, OK, great, BUY, selected color and size, then had the options for AppleCare+, extra cables, etc. And as soon as I add ANYTHING else, the price jumps from $399 to over $800?!?! Of course availability to ship says not currently available anyway, so I don't know what it means that you can add it to your cart.

Anyone else notice this?

It appears that you can order the phone beginning on Sept 20th in the Apple Store on line too.

StyxMaker
Sep 10, 2013, 03:49 PM
Is it likely to be "an extra couple of days" or "months"?

I haven't participated in an iPhone launch before - which is closer to reality?

I've always been able to get an iPhone, in store, within a couple of weeks of the launch.

Trius
Sep 10, 2013, 03:53 PM
Walk me through your logic here.

If you order it the second it goes on sale and there are preorders, you get it right away.

But if you order it the second it goes on sale and there are no preorders, you get it in 3 months?

I doubt it will work that way. Just order it as fast as you can once it goes on sale online.

You're probably correct.. Let's hope they didn't opt out of preorders due to limited supply..

Dwalls90
Sep 10, 2013, 03:54 PM
I'm pissed.

I sold mine already and was planning on being able to have my 5S by 9/20.

Seems like the odds of that happening are slim now.

duelingdragons
Sep 10, 2013, 03:56 PM
Truly disgusting that they will do this to their customer simply to generate lines in stores. Appalling.

-Reaper-
Sep 10, 2013, 03:57 PM
Please don't read into this too much, but I just spoke to my Verizon B2B account executive, and he said that he "heard rumblings" that Verizon will offer preorders for both the 5C and 5S for business customers (through the My Business portal) on 9/13. He told me not to get too excited because nothing has actually been announced. This gets my hopes up slightly, but I'm not counting on it actually happening.
Business customers is everyday customers correct or?

no25
Sep 10, 2013, 04:01 PM
I really don't want to wait in line with all the great unwashed...

Nice M*A*S*H reference

ABC5S
Sep 10, 2013, 04:03 PM
I have a phone, so I can wait for it after purchasing one from Apple's online store. :D No standing in line and will have the 30 day return period for this phone over a 14 day return from the Carriers ;)

SHirsch999
Sep 10, 2013, 04:03 PM
My guess is they don't want to overload the apple servers with all of the preorders for the 5C and 5S. Correct me if I am wrong, but in the past preordering didn't guarantee receiving the phone on the release day.

skimcpip
Sep 10, 2013, 04:06 PM
Apl stock has plunged

Every year...:rolleyes:

bowlerman625
Sep 10, 2013, 04:06 PM
No thanks! Had my 4, 4S, and 5 on launch day without standing in line and I certainly won't be starting now. I have a job and a life. I can wait until whenever it shows up on my doorstep.

Yep agreed here! No big deal.

Steviejobz
Sep 10, 2013, 04:15 PM
waiting on line is so 2007. I think I will order online and get it a few days later.

No pre-orders is lame attempt to create buzz.

PaulieORF
Sep 10, 2013, 04:16 PM
Business customers is everyday customers correct or?

No. This would be for companies that have a business account, account rep, etc. I would assume it accounts for any small business accounts and enterprise accounts.

Blueline29
Sep 10, 2013, 04:44 PM
I'm disappointed there won't be preorders for the 5s, but if you don't want to wait in line, why is it so bad to wait an extra couple of days for it to be shipped? :confused: It's hardly evil and anti-consumer if the only difference is you won't be the first guy on the block to have one.

FWIW, it hasn't just been a couple of days that people have had to wait if they didn't preorder (or didn't order ASAP). Delays were weeks long. I'd like to try to avoid waiting that long if at all possible, but that's me. :)

NickG420
Sep 10, 2013, 04:50 PM
So has anyone figured out if ordering becomes live On Sep 20 Midnight PDT or at 8am PDT?

Either one is fine with me I just want to make sure I am ready to quickly get my order in...

brinycbri
Sep 10, 2013, 04:51 PM
Truly disgusting that they will do this to their customer simply to generate lines in stores. Appalling.

This appalling nature is worse than what's happening in Syria! What can we do about this travesty?!

Earendil
Sep 10, 2013, 04:53 PM
Three days? Have you never been through this before? In the past, if you don't pre-order and you're not camping outside of the store, you don't get a new iPhone for months... Apple shot themselves in the foot here. I can see them losing sales due to this.


I have indeed been through this before. We will still be able to order them on the 20th, we just won't be able to pre-order them before the 20th. If (like all pre-order events) you can get in quick before Apple's servers crash and get an order placed, you'll have it in 2-3 days (if not overnight).

The only difference I see between this sort of order and a ore-order is that you'll have to deal with seeing people who did wait in line play with it for a day or two prior to you getting it. But if that's you're biggest hardship in life, I have zero sympathy for you my friend :)

Now, it's possible that there won't be that many phones available for order online, but make no mistake that having pre-orders would not change that number. Apple is going to make sure their brick and mortar stores have a certain quantity on launch date, and any excess will be sold online. That is always true. The difference this time around is that Apple may not know how much excess they are going to have until much closer to the ship date.

dtlee1974
Sep 10, 2013, 04:54 PM
Please don't read into this too much, but I just spoke to my Verizon B2B account executive, and he said that he "heard rumblings" that Verizon will offer preorders for both the 5C and 5S for business customers (through the My Business portal) on 9/13. He told me not to get too excited because nothing has actually been announced. This gets my hopes up slightly, but I'm not counting on it actually happening.

Our Verizon guy told us flat out that the 5s was going to be available on their business site for pre-order "next week." I even had our guy that handles phones ping him again to confirm that he was talking about the 5s and not the 5c. We'll see what happens I suppose, but I don't have a lot of faith in our Verizon guy.

dmaxdmax
Sep 10, 2013, 04:57 PM
I dropped my 4s today and the screen broke! (seriously, it wasn't accidentally on purpose - I love my 4s and there were other toys higher on my lust-list)

Verizon is buying it back but I could be phone-less for 3 weeks - ugh. I'll be swiping my wife's a lot.

Maybe I'll swipe my mother's never-used dino-phone and forward my number to it for a temporary fix. What a pain.

If I successfully purchase a phone on-line from Verizon on Day 1, will I have to pick it up then or can I wait until my voucher arrives?

Earendil
Sep 10, 2013, 05:03 PM
Our Verizon guy told us flat out that the 5s was going to be available on their business site for pre-order "next week." I even had our guy that handles phones ping him again to confirm that he was talking about the 5s and not the 5c. We'll see what happens I suppose, but I don't have a lot of faith in our Verizon guy.

3rd party vendors are probably given a certain % of the stock, and allowed to sell them however they like. If they put them all up for pre-order and are fine having everyone that comes to their store be SOL, they can probably do that.

Also, from what I've read so far nothing really prevents Apple from offering pre-orders, they just aren't going to promise pre-orders.

carelesswhisper
Sep 10, 2013, 05:15 PM
Anyone have any estimates or guesses on how many phones each brick and mortar carrier store will get? I'm on AT&T.

outz
Sep 10, 2013, 05:23 PM
anyone have any estimates or guesses on how many phones each brick and mortar carrier store will get? I'm on at&t.

7

carelesswhisper
Sep 10, 2013, 05:36 PM
7

7 sounds reasonable.

-js-
Sep 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
Truly disgusting that they will do this to their customer simply to generate lines in stores. Appalling.

I've just been simply marveling today at all the comments of this sort! I've been amazed at how critical, underwhelmed, angry, DISGUSTED, etc. so many people are. WE KNEW that stock of 5S was going to be limited and tight due to limited supplies of the fingerprint sensor. We know that it will release in a bunch of countries on launch day--no special treatment for the USA.

So, doesn't it just makes sense that they wouldn't want to make them available for PRE-order?!?

There is absolutely no evidence that they are doing this "simply" to "generate lines in stores."

It's not appalling. It's not disgusting. In fact, it's just plain not even true.

If the 5S is so yawn-worthy, and Apple is so "disgusting" and is metaphorically flipping you the bird, and you're going to show them by NOT buying a 5S and maybe by switching to Android or something, then that's really and truly just fine. Maybe you'll save time in your life by not having to post angry and disgusted comments in threads like this. That would also be a blessing for the rest of us here--or I would appreciate it, anyway.

Don't get me wrong. You have every right to be critical and to want this feature or that feature or a lower price, NFC, 128GB, larger screen, etc. Whatever. I get it. But taking Apple's decisions as a PERSONAL insult is just plain irrational.

You have the right to vote with your dollars, but you're way off the mark if you think that you're anything but a minority. Apple sales and profits present an overwhelming truth: a whole lot of people are voting with their dollars, and they have voted pro-Apple--with every single iPhone and iPad release.

You're not going to teach Apple a lesson by not buying the 5S. I'm sorry, but you're just not.

eastercat
Sep 10, 2013, 05:52 PM
Anyone have any estimates or guesses on how many phones each brick and mortar carrier store will get? I'm on AT&T.Not as many as the apple store. Granted, the apple store gets more people too. Go through the posts for the 5. That'll give you an idea of what to plan for.

metzy25
Sep 10, 2013, 05:55 PM
Any info on if you'll be able to pick up in stereo friday if you order online?

bpcookson
Sep 10, 2013, 06:04 PM
I think this is pretty cool. The times I've spent waiting in line for new iPhone releases was always a blast. You meet fun people. Plus, this makes the 5S just a little bit more special. If you see someone with it on day 1, you know they really wanted it and they did something special to get it.

To those complaining... what, did you think Apple owed you the right to pre-order? I believe this is the sense of "entitlement" I keep hearing about. Like you deserve to have it on day 1 just by virtue of wanting it, and therefore Apple is wrong to not accommodate your desires.

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Any info on if you'll be able to pick up in stereo friday if you order online?

Sorry, all pickups are in mono.

carelesswhisper
Sep 10, 2013, 06:13 PM
Not as many as the apple store. Granted, the apple store gets more people too. Go through the posts for the 5. That'll give you an idea of what to plan for.

I live in somewhat of a small town, compared to Dallas or Austin (I think my nearest Apple store is in Austin), and have about 4 AT&T stores including authorized dealers. So I'm hoping it won't be too crazy.

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I think this is pretty cool. The times I've spent waiting in line for new iPhone releases was always a blast. You meet fun people. Plus, this makes the 5S just a little bit more special. If you see someone with it on day 1, you know they really wanted it and they did something special to get it.

To those complaining... what, did you think Apple owed you the right to pre-order? I believe this is the sense of "entitlement" I keep hearing about. Like you deserve to have it on day 1 just by virtue of wanting it, and therefore Apple is wrong to not accommodate your desires.

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Sorry, all pickups are in mono.

Lol, that's hilarious.

ekrueger24
Sep 10, 2013, 06:37 PM
Interestingly, on Apple's Chinese website it states that you can order 5s starting from 9/17 and pick it up from an Apple store on the 20th. But I guess this is more due to limited supply in China, and whoever plans to go to Apple store on launch day better secure one online first if he/she doesn't want to wait in the line for nothing.

I noticed this also and this is actually been in place for a few years to try to stop the scalpers and reselling of the phones. In previous years, people would by several devices and sell them all at a much higher premium.

This was more prevalent in Hong Kong (where I currently live), where people from Mainland China would flock down, queue up outside the only Apple Store (at the time), which would create a HUGE line that ran down by the ferry pier, and each person would buy many phones just to bring back to China and sell at a giant premium.

They have now instituted a lottery system in Hong Kong that makes each person enter the lottery and if they draw your name you can come the next day (or on launch day in this case) and pick up the phone -- limited to 2 per person. Additionally, they make you have your Hong Kong ID Card (which they didn't do before).

I noticed that Hong Kong wasn't on the launch country list (which made many of my local Hong Kong friends VERY mad) but after looking at Apple's Hong Kong website, it still mentioned reservations to be made on the 17th for in-store pick-up on the 20th.

luckysob
Sep 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
I'll wait to see how this plays out. Maybe see what is available for Black Friday for add-ons.

swish2351
Sep 10, 2013, 06:57 PM
I dropped my 4s today and the screen broke! (seriously, it wasn't accidentally on purpose - I love my 4s and there were other toys higher on my lust-list)

Verizon is buying it back but I could be phone-less for 3 weeks - ugh. I'll be swiping my wife's a lot.

Maybe I'll swipe my mother's never-used dino-phone and forward my number to it for a temporary fix. What a pain.


You don't want to know how much I care...

carelesswhisper
Sep 10, 2013, 06:59 PM
You don't want to know how much I care...

Then you shouldn't have replied. Rude.

kiantech
Sep 10, 2013, 07:03 PM
They are doing this for the media attention. Last year I was able to have the iphone 5 delivered to my work on launch day, perfect. Bi*ch move IMO.

DonutHands
Sep 10, 2013, 07:15 PM
This just makes me laugh. All the cry babies that cant have the phone the first week it comes out. Boo hoo.

metzy25
Sep 10, 2013, 07:27 PM
I think this is pretty cool. The times I've spent waiting in line for new iPhone releases was always a blast. You meet fun people. Plus, this makes the 5S just a little bit more special. If you see someone with it on day 1, you know they really wanted it and they did something special to get it.

To those complaining... what, did you think Apple owed you the right to pre-order? I believe this is the sense of "entitlement" I keep hearing about. Like you deserve to have it on day 1 just by virtue of wanting it, and therefore Apple is wrong to not accommodate your desires.

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Sorry, all pickups are in mono.

Sorry meant store

sean800
Sep 10, 2013, 07:34 PM
WE KNEW that stock of 5S was going to be limited and tight due to limited supplies of the fingerprint sensor. We know that it will release in a bunch of countries on launch day--no special treatment for the USA.

So, doesn't it just makes sense that they wouldn't want to make them available for PRE-order?!?



Hmm, weird. The PS4 has limited stock too, but I still preordered that...

Dwalls90
Sep 10, 2013, 07:36 PM
This is the worst part about launch.

It actually makes me hate Apple a bit.

Jimbo47
Sep 10, 2013, 08:13 PM
With any luck at all they will overnight the phones ordered at 3AM Friday morning (12am PST). They may already have the phones sitting in their distribution centers (for instance the one closest to my home in Pittsburgh is Lewisberry, PA). When I ordered my iPad on black friday at 3am from Apple's website, it was delivered to me just 8 hours later from UPS, and shipped from Lewisberry.

bkribbs
Sep 10, 2013, 08:39 PM
With any luck at all they will overnight the phones ordered at 3AM Friday morning (12am PST). They may already have the phones sitting in their distribution centers (for instance the one closest to my home in Pittsburgh is Lewisberry, PA). When I ordered my iPad on black friday at 3am from Apple's website, it was delivered to me just 8 hours later from UPS, and shipped from Lewisberry.

So will orders open the 20th at midnight so 3 EST?

Jimbo47
Sep 10, 2013, 08:53 PM
So will orders open the 20th at midnight so 3 EST?

That's my guess. Again that was black friday, but typically preorders started at midnight (3am est). 3AM was when the store came back online for their black friday sales, so I assume it will be the same. IF NOT, they will lose a mass amount of sales judging by previous year preorders. 4S had 1 million preorders. 5 had 2 million preorders. I know I sure as hell won't be standing in line friday, and I know I'm not the only one. If they don't even have enough supplies to run a pre-order program, there is no way they will have enough for mass amounts of people on launch day. Meaning, people will be upset.

Chupa Chupa
Sep 10, 2013, 09:14 PM
Dick move by Apple.

Such an intelligent turn of phrase. :roll eyes:

Here is the likely scenario -- if anyone recalls last year's pre-order, it started at 12am Pacific and by about 3am Pacific it was sold out. ATT, VZW, and Sprint similarly sold out of pre-order stock within hours. To add to the melee many people who got in at the last few minutes were told days later that, well, they wouldn't be getting launch day stock. Soorrrry.

This left a lot of people annoyed and P.O.'d and complaining to Apple and the cellos, tying up staff that couldn't do anything about the situation. So why o why would Apple want to repeat that fiasco again if it knows it doesn't have enough pre-order stock on hand to last more than a couple hours?

Yes, it's disappointing, but no one is pointing a gun to anyone's head to have an iPhone 5S on launch day. It won't get you 72 virgins or even a free slurpee. Well, OK it probably will get you free food because Apple usually hands something out to campers. But the point it its a phone. If you don't like waiting in lines order one on the 20th or just pop into an Apple store an hour before closing to see if they have any stock.

iRockApple
Sep 10, 2013, 09:24 PM
I was expecting more, what happened to the 128Gb model? :rolleyes:

It was just a rumor, that's what happened. There are too many people taking the rumors as absolute facts.

madsci954
Sep 10, 2013, 09:32 PM
It was just a rumor, that's what happened. There are too many people taking the rumors as absolute facts.

And I feel that is why people get so PO'd when news is official. They build themselves up on rumors, and when they don't pan out, they get upset and whine on the forums.

Lerxt
Sep 10, 2013, 11:43 PM
Wow Apple really sucks today. The 5s is really awful.

"This comment brought to you by Samsung - copy phones, in the Asian tradition"

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I noticed this also and this is actually been in place for a few years to try to stop the scalpers and reselling of the phones. In previous years, people would by several devices and sell them all at a much higher premium.

This was more prevalent in Hong Kong (where I currently live), where people from Mainland China would flock down, queue up outside the only Apple Store (at the time), which would create a HUGE line that ran down by the ferry pier, and each person would buy many phones just to bring back to China and sell at a giant premium.

They have now instituted a lottery system in Hong Kong that makes each person enter the lottery and if they draw your name you can come the next day (or on launch day in this case) and pick up the phone -- limited to 2 per person. Additionally, they make you have your Hong Kong ID Card (which they didn't do before).

I noticed that Hong Kong wasn't on the launch country list (which made many of my local Hong Kong friends VERY mad) but after looking at Apple's Hong Kong website, it still mentioned reservations to be made on the 17th for in-store pick-up on the 20th.

You do understand Hong Kong is in China?

Jimbo47
Sep 11, 2013, 12:09 AM
You do understand Hong Kong is in China?

I hope so. He says he lives there. Although apparently locals consider HK it's own country?
It's government is completely separate from the rest of China. Maybe that's what he meant. But Apple doesn't care. If it said china I'm sure that includes HK.

ethanlee
Sep 11, 2013, 01:20 AM
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/854/vader_NOOOO.jpg

Wild-Bill
Sep 11, 2013, 01:31 AM
I can't believe they are allowing pre-orders for the cheapo 5C but not the 5S. WTF are they thinking ?

:mad:

mccltd
Sep 11, 2013, 01:35 AM
No pre orders for the 5S
Talk about discriminating the disabled who cant get there and stand for hours in a queue.

PaulOBrain
Sep 11, 2013, 01:47 AM
Such an intelligent turn of phrase. :roll eyes:



Thanks, I thought so too.

infinitech
Sep 11, 2013, 01:56 AM
lol.... Pussies.

I'm waiting in line. It's a dick move for sure but they know I love them enough to do it.

See you Monday bitches and tell me you're glad you didn't wait.

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This appalling nature is worse than what's happening in Syria! What can we do about this travesty?!

Agreed. First world problems. We should be lucky these are the biggest issues of our lives.

recklesslife85
Sep 11, 2013, 02:25 AM
Its a sign Apple are going backwards. 64 bit with 1 gig of ram, what's the point? Does nothing, least need 3/4. Apple without Jobs is just not Apple. Don't get me wrong i use all apple products but they are way behind in the phone space. Battery and the screen is from the stone age.

Que all the fanboy deluded hate replies. I was once one of you but opened my eyes ;)

ekrueger24
Sep 11, 2013, 02:48 AM
"This comment brought to you by Samsung - copy phones, in the Asian tradition"

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You do understand Hong Kong is in China?

I do understand Hong Kong is a PART of China. I also know that Apple with the release of the iPhone 5 listed Hong Kong as a separate country. I've lived here long enough to also know that the political landscape of Hong Kong is to be as far apart from China as possible. That is also the thoughts and feelings of a large portion of the Hong Kong population.

Technically Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of China and has their own government, currency, leader, etc. Even though China has some control over the country.

Sodner
Sep 11, 2013, 05:29 AM
Stores will open at probably 9am based on their time zone but online sales that day have to start at one time for everyone. It's my guess it will be the typical midnight Cupertino time (3am EST).

chineseguy38
Sep 11, 2013, 05:39 AM
Apple hasn't learnt from the mistake launching iPad mini and iPad with Retina display at the same time and that killed the sales for iPad with Retina display. And now iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S together. It'll do the same for iPhone 5S.

When they launched iPhone 5, the queues all over the world were much shorter than the previous iPhone launches. Obviously, Apple is trying to make people queue up again for iPhone 5S without preordering option. Sorry guys, I'll give it a BIG MISS especially for a 64GB it's A$130 more expensive than iPhone 5 in Australia. It only costs less than A$900 to get that with T-Mobile in US and Australia we've to pay A$1129?! WTF! It's obvious Apple is ripping off Australia customers!!

Zandian
Sep 11, 2013, 07:46 AM
I've either taken off work or stayed up late to get each newest model of IPhone on launch day. Apple always found a way to provide enough new features to be worth jumping on the new model. They either provided a great new form factor or performance enhancements that actually made a difference. I find myself frustrated today. I've waited in anticipation for quite awhile and was really let down. I just can't find a way to justify outlaying another $400 this year for a new model where the only real useful new feature for me is that I can unlock it faster. If I could have conveniently preordered I may have been able to convince myself. But there is no way I will be wasting a vacation day to wait in a big line for this rather lackluster new model. Funny, the only thing I am looking forward to is a new slim leather case for my old 5-but I suppose that will be sold out for over a month too. The only solace I feel is that I can now save that $400 and put it to a better use-and I don't have to commit myself to another 2 years with AT&T.

Z

daijholt
Sep 11, 2013, 08:35 AM
I was gonna preorder, but I'll just order it on the 20th instead. At least I'll get one.

Chances are if you don't line up at a store early, or sit in waiting for the web page to go live on the 20th, you probably won't get one for weeks anyway.

What's worse, waiting 3 extra days for delivery or a few months for stock?

psymac
Sep 11, 2013, 09:40 AM
No conspiracy here, just simply limited stock has Apple being unable to fulfill pre-orders for all these countries.

Ordering online I fear may be hit or miss, as with the iPhone 5, it may be sold out very very quickly. This took me several days of attempting to find stock at local Apple stores, with sell out often happening within seconds.

I think my strategy is to wait in line at my Apple store starting at about 10pm, and then check online at about 3am and see if I can order. If so, I'll be packing up my lawn chair and wait for delivery. Otherwise, I'll see the glare of TV cameras at 7am as the store opens with probably free Dunkin' Donuts and Dasani water.

Do expect the 'gold' version to be extremely limited in supply and be willing to go for white or silver.

mccldwll
Sep 11, 2013, 09:47 AM
Its a sign Apple are going backwards. 64 bit with 1 gig of ram, what's the point? Does nothing, least need 3/4. Apple without Jobs is just not Apple. Don't get me wrong i use all apple products but they are way behind in the phone space. Battery and the screen is from the stone age.

Que all the fanboy deluded hate replies. I was once one of you but opened my eyes ;)


When you opened them, was it extremely dark and tight?

KdParker
Sep 11, 2013, 01:28 PM
Apple is thinking that they don't care. They'll sell them to people who have jobs a few weeks later :(

Not if they get backordered. That could push delivery out one month or more from launch date.

I don't like this not being able to preorder.

KdParker
Sep 11, 2013, 01:44 PM
That's my guess. Again that was black friday, but typically preorders started at midnight (3am est). 3AM was when the store came back online for their black friday sales, so I assume it will be the same. IF NOT, they will lose a mass amount of sales judging by previous year preorders. 4S had 1 million preorders. 5 had 2 million preorders. I know I sure as hell won't be standing in line friday, and I know I'm not the only one. If they don't even have enough supplies to run a pre-order program, there is no way they will have enough for mass amounts of people on launch day. Meaning, people will be upset.

Agreed....unless the seriously increase the number of iPhone5S the stores have to sell, there are going to be a lot of upset customers.

Botts85
Sep 11, 2013, 02:41 PM
My biggest question is, will there be unlocked phones in store?

After having worked at ARS for the 3GS launch and 4 launch, I waited in line for 4S and 5, just for the experience, and as a get together with other past staff members. I had preordered phones both times but still waited in line.

Unlocked phones have always been available in Canada, but were not available in store on day 1 for the 3GS or 5. For the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S you could buy unlocked in store. I really hope that Apple makes up for the lack of preorders by having unlocked phones in store! For the iPhone 5, you could still preorder an unlocked phone in Canada, but not buy it in store on day one. This was presumably to limit phones being exported on the grey-market.

There is not a different SKU for unlocked phones. All phones in Canada are the same "part" family. The POS system locks the phone to the respective carrier when the sale is completed. If it is marked as sold outright for full retail, POS just leaves it unlocked.

I'm hoping we can get confirmation on unlocked phones available in store ASAP, as I want to offload my iPhone 5 ASAP, but don't want to be forced to use my iPhone 4 until Apple decides to sell unlocked iPhones on some future date.

hakr100
Sep 11, 2013, 02:44 PM
Sounds like someone could make bucks offering an iPlace service, in which someone stands in line for those who have to have a 5S on the first day. So, what's a fair charge? $1000 a night? $2000? :D

ValSalva
Sep 11, 2013, 03:10 PM
Not if they get backordered. That could push delivery out one month or more from launch date.

I don't like this not being able to preorder.

I don't like it one bit either.

Agreed....unless the seriously increase the number of iPhone5S the stores have to sell, there are going to be a lot of upset customers.

Apple is (hopefully) aware of the situation they are creating. They can be pretty sure the 5S is going to sell like crazy and can afford to have large stocks at stores. (Fingers crossed).

jimmytaroh
Sep 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Not a big deal.

I lived in San Francisco last year and bought a 5 at the Marina Apple store. Walked in to the store around 11am on launch day, waited maybe 20 minutes in line, walked out shortly thereafter with a new 5 for my wife and I. Easy.

I doubt the lines will be that horrendous for the 5s and if I was in the market I would simply do the same thing. I certainly wouldn't be going at 10pm the night before or 5am the morning of or using any vacation days.

mightygitis
Sep 11, 2013, 06:29 PM
This is totally the biggest First World Problem thread ever! LMAO.

Don't get me wrong, I was pissed at first. Just because I was revved up to preorder and had preordered previously and it was such a nice breeze. It always arrived the same day as the release with no muss or fuss.

Now we've decided to go be those crazy people in line at the local Apple store to try to get it. It should be fun right? Like midnight releases for a movie you've been waiting for. (Wait, you have a ticket and guaranteed seats for those so not quite)

I don't know what we will do should we get to the front of the line to find out the color/memory combo we wanted is sold out. I really HOPE that doesn't happen. We toyed around with the idea of staying up to 3 am EST and ordering online and waiting for it to ship. But if I'm going to lose sleep over it either way I might as well get it the same day.

Sad to take a vacation day for it, but I could use a nice three day weekend anyway. :rolleyes:

Botts85
Sep 11, 2013, 07:21 PM
I don't know what we will do should we get to the front of the line to find out the color/memory combo we wanted is sold out. I really HOPE that doesn't happen.

Sad to take a vacation day for it, but I could use a nice three day weekend anyway. :rolleyes:

Your fears won't happen if Apple follows the same method they've used since halfway through the 4 launch and the iPhone 4S launch. What the ARS staff will do is around 6 or 7 am walk the line and ask everyone what they want. They will give you up to 2 (two) iPhone tickets per person, you tell them what colour, size, and model, and they will ensure that they are in stock for you and give you a ticket listing exactly which phone you requested. You cannot change your mind once you get your ticket(s). The Apple Store only has as many tickets as they have phones in stock + some for contingencies. Ergo, by 8am you will know whether or not there is a phone(s) available for you.

My key issue is that unlocked phones should be available in store, as on the iPhone 5 launch they were online only.

Lancer
Sep 11, 2013, 10:18 PM
It was just a rumor, that's what happened. There are too many people taking the rumors as absolute facts.

Most of the spec we got for the new iPhone was correct so the end release for some was underwhelming. Thus the stock price going down. But it won't stop me upgrading this time, my 3Gs is getting old.

wesk702
Sep 11, 2013, 11:27 PM
Do you guys think arriving around 10:00 PM on Thursday night to an Apple or AT&T store would be sufficient? I can't make it there any earlier.

Last year after I got off work at 6:30 I went straight to the Apple store and picked up the 5. I heard the lines were 8 hours during the day, but thought I would just give it a shot and couldn't be easier. This was at the Town Square store in Las Vegas.

techfreak23
Sep 12, 2013, 12:48 AM
You mean space gray, silver, and gold. There is no black or slate 5s option.

BapeHbe
Sep 12, 2013, 02:14 AM
I will be in the unated states at the 10s october. Can i by unlocked iphone in the Apple store without lines ??

ntrigue
Sep 12, 2013, 02:18 AM
I will be in the unated states at the 10s october. Can i by unlocked iphone in the Apple store without lines ??

No.

BapeHbe
Sep 12, 2013, 02:26 AM
No.

Thx) And how much time i should spend in line to by it? 1-2 hours or day?

ntrigue
Sep 12, 2013, 02:32 AM
Thx) And how much time i should spend in line to by it? 1-2 hours or day?

Previous years you could wait one hour at 1pm or five hours at 6am. The 1pm may be getting low on some models though.

mightygitis
Sep 12, 2013, 08:28 AM
Your fears won't happen if Apple follows the same method they've used since halfway through the 4 launch and the iPhone 4S launch. What the ARS staff will do is around 6 or 7 am walk the line and ask everyone what they want. They will give you up to 2 (two) iPhone tickets per person, you tell them what colour, size, and model, and they will ensure that they are in stock for you and give you a ticket listing exactly which phone you requested. You cannot change your mind once you get your ticket(s). The Apple Store only has as many tickets as they have phones in stock + some for contingencies. Ergo, by 8am you will know whether or not there is a phone(s) available for you.

My key issue is that unlocked phones should be available in store, as on the iPhone 5 launch they were online only.

Thank you for your fabulous info! As I've never done launch day line waiting I didn't know about the ticket system.

tivoboy
Sep 12, 2013, 11:08 AM
yeah, this doesn't really make too much sense. I know some might think apple would like to see "long lines" which give some possible indication of demand or scarcity, but at the end of the day (and technically the week) they want to report how many units were ACTUALLY sold or delivered to customers during that first weekend (as stupid as that stat really is) and that more than anything will drive the equity price or even further demand.

Having it be stand in line only, will only turn away large groups of people who are simply fatigued with the concept of standing in line for sometimes hours/days to get a new iDevice..

If they did pre-orders, with either delivery or in store pickup, they'd actually sell more phones IMHO.

Botts85
Sep 12, 2013, 01:24 PM
Thank you for your fabulous info! As I've never done launch day line waiting I didn't know about the ticket system.

No worries!! Launches are usually a great experience. I worked 42 of 48 hours on the first 2 days of iPhone 4 launch!! That was a fiasco until we adopted the ticket system, but it was fun and I have good memories.

We literally had 4 hours lines for a week and a half straight. A good chunk of it was due to the Canadian big 4 cell carriers having archaic systems that can't handle the load of an iPhone launch. Hold times to talk to an agent which was required for most upgrades were 3 hours plus.

4S and 5 launches were seamless though, ARS had learned from the iPhone 4 launch. The only funny thing with the 5 launch was a couple days later we had clients returning phones by the boatload that they had preordered to different addresses. By simultaneous launch in China the scalper market that was expected, just wasn't there.

With regards to the comment of wait five hours at 6am, or 1 hour at 1pm you're really really taking your chances, especially if you aren't looking for a common model, i.e. 64GB. This may not be the case at flagships, but at smaller stores, and specifically, Canadian stores, we sold out on every launch day 1, except 16GB whites for the iPhone 5.

anubis09
Sep 13, 2013, 07:51 AM
Someone mentioned that pre-orders on the Chinese site said 9/17. I noticed I am not eligible for an upgrade till that date. I am wondering if there is a correlation.

PsstGreek
Sep 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
iPhone 5S sales start at 12:01 PST on the 20th.

bpcookson
Sep 16, 2013, 08:48 PM
Sorry meant store

Why did you bold the word "owed" in my quote?