XBox 360... HAS PROBLEMS! LMAO!

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Leave it up to Microsoft it release a product early, even if it has flaws!

http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-5969879.html?part=rss&tag=5969879&subj=news
Gamers' enthusiasm for the newly released Xbox 360 quickly waned after the first reports were posted online of problems with the machines crashing and overheating.
No word yet on how widespread the problem actually is, or what, if anything Microsoft plans to do about it.
But the heat is on, and not for the first time. In February, Microsoft recalled power cords on the Xbox following reports of injuries due to defective electrical components. And a couple has sued Microsoft in a Texas court and claimed that the faulty design of an Xbox caused their house to burn down, according to an Inquirer story.

"As I have been playing my Xbox this past week, I have noticed that not only is it very loud because of the fans, it is also by far the hottest running piece of equipment in my electronics rack...I personally have had no problems with it so far. But I am wondering what the long term effects of running such a hot device will have on the unit."

"Up until today I was pretty much an Xbox fanboy, but after spending 6 and a half hours outside uncontrollably shivering for something that doesn't work right and makes me pay ridiculous sums just for basic functionality, they just lost me and a bunch of people I know."

[CalGrunt]

Leave it up to Microsoft it release a product early, even if it has flaws!

http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-5969879.html?part=rss&tag=5969879&subj=news

Hmmmmmmm.............I seem to remember that Sony also had major flaws when they released their PS, no?

To imply that it's just Microsoft is just silly. Anytime ANYONE releases a brand new product, weather it's a gaming console, a car, or a computer or whatever, you will see bugs that need to be addressed as they crop up. It's just the way things are, and Microsoft is no better or no worse in this regard.

The issue is how will they handle their customers who have these problems.

[Josh396]

Hmmmmmmm.............I seem to remember that Sony also had major flaws when they released their PS, no?
Yes sir. I'm just waiting to see how Microsoft responds to this.

[quagmire]

MS will probably blame IBM for the hot running PPC's chips and call it normal. :rolleyes:

[Tommyg117]

I hope they do something about it! I was going to get one, but after all these reports, I think i'm going to hold off!

[MacRumorUser]

Leave it up to Microsoft it release a product early, even if it has flaws!

And Apple are immune? Look at the Cube. Look at the some posts over the new dual core macs. Look at horizontal line issue on new PB's.

Look at the Playstation 2 with its dodgy laser issues, Look at the PSP with its poor refresh and faulty X button on the initial release.

All hardware is subject to faults regardless of manufactuer. Get over it.
:rolleyes:

[Piarco]

Like MacRumorUser says! Do we expect the Intel Macs to be trouble free? No.
It how the initial problems are dealt with matters - and the ratio of "faulty" 360's to those perceived to be fine.

[doucy2]

this is why you should never buy a rev A of anything
wait untill the rev B (unless you cant live w/o it) then be prepared to live with its problems

[.Andy]

Tabloid Journalism 101.

Big product being released from a tall-poppy behemoth company. Lots of hype and public interest. Write a scandalous story about infrequent teething problems. Include disillusioned quotes from message boards. Lots of page views = lots of advertising revenue.

As much as I'd love to see it fail and Nintendo to rise up to world domination again I'll file this stuff in the basket with the OMG iPod battery media reports.

[abhishekit]

And Apple are immune? Look at the Cube. Look at the some posts over the new dual core macs. Look at horizontal line issue on new PB's.

Look at the Playstation 2 with its dodgy laser issues, Look at the PSP with its poor refresh and faulty X button on the initial release.

All hardware is subject to faults regardless of manufactuer. Get over it.
:rolleyes:

Well overheating so much as to cause a hardware failure is not the same as bugs, crashes or a faulty display. It is a MAJOR design fault. It seems that anyone who is playing continuously for a long time and is not having the best ventilation possible (like keeping the xbox inside the home entertainment cabinet) is having problems.

[clayj]

What makes me LMAO is posts like this... glad to see you're so excited about other people having problems with their 360s. You're one of those compulsive Microsoft haters, aren't you, AtHomeBoy?

Welcome to my Ignore list, Herr Schadenfreude.

[Eric5h5]

this is why you should never buy a rev A of anything

Oh, what a bunch of baloney. There's no reason why a new product shouldn't work fine, unless it has poor engineering, or maybe was rushed to market with insufficient testing. Of course you can find ways of improving it later, but people have a right to expect that a product (whether rev. A or rev. Z) will work. Certainly my rev. A dual 2.5 G5 (there never was a rev. B as far as I know) works well.

A few defective units is something else entirely though. It's really hard to make anything so complex without occasional defects. So, the question is: just a few defective units, or a widespread issue? (If it's the latter, then "hey, it's new" is NOT an excuse! Don't be an apologist.)

--Eric

[DXoverDY]

What makes me LMAO is posts like this... glad to see you're so excited about other people having problems with their 360s. You're one of those compulsive Microsoft haters, aren't you, AtHomeBoy?

Welcome to my Ignore list, Herr Schadenfreude.

seconded. added him to my own in fact. tired of hearing ******** crap like this on here. microsoft haters or not.. i'm anti-microsoft in every way but this is par for the course in a new console release. it seems only a few people have issues anyway, and it might be the power supply not the console itself, i just read a story or two about how doing certain things with the power supply relieves the problems.

[GFLPraxis]

To re-post what I said in the other thread:

Nimbus, most people know I'm not a great fan of the XBox 360. The types of games the XBox has don't appeal to me, I hate subscription services, require WiFi (which costs a fortune on the 360), and would like something new with a new generation, so I don't plan to buy one. And yes, people get annoyed when I state my opinion too much.

But I don't run around shoving it in everyone's face, DELIBERATELY trying to get them mad.

Seriously, you're making those of us that aren't 360 fans look bad. Quit acting like that. Please.

[DXoverDY]

Oh, what a bunch of baloney. There's no reason why a new product shouldn't work fine, unless it has poor engineering, or maybe was rushed to market with insufficient testing. Of course you can find ways of improving it later, but people have a right to expect that a product (whether rev. A or rev. Z) will work. Certainly my rev. A dual 2.5 G5 (there never was a rev. B as far as I know) works well.

A few defective units is something else entirely though. It's really hard to make anything so complex without occasional defects. So, the question is: just a few defective units, or a widespread issue? (If it's the latter, then "hey, it's new" is NOT an excuse! Don't be an apologist.)

--Eric

see my previous reply. it appears it may be the power supply, likely something microsoft themselves do not make. and no matter how "widespread" people are making it out to be, only those having problems will speak out, those with no problems will tend to say nothing. so it'll obviously seem like lots but it's not. then factor in those users like the Parent Poster who is a doorknob and just likes to be a microsoft-hater or whatever the kiddies are calling it these days.

i've said it once, i'll say it again. the xbox 360 is a pretty appealing system to me. particularly the xbox live portion of it. i feel like they've focused pretty good on that and it'll add a lot of good replayability to the system, something that i felt has plagued a lot of past games. nintendo will probably have online play but i'm doubting it'll be as integrated as it is on the xbox. i plan to get a revolution but the xbox 360 is out now and it has a few games i'm already interested in. if i ever come up with the money, i'll probably buy one in addition to my revolution. sorry sony, but the sky high pricing is making me back out on this round, and your root kit issue has turned me off entirely to your music cd's.

[clayj]

To re-post what I said in the other thread:Not to mention, he keeps posting the same stuff over and over and OVER again.

[CalGrunt]

Not to mention, he keeps posting the same stuff over and over and OVER again.

Because he's just a little attention-craving brat that needs to be put over his mothers knee and spanked.

He comes from troll-land. He needs to say this stuff over and over again so that he can get attention...........Basically, just a really insecure kid who would rather get negative attention than no attention at all.

And if he's like other trolls that I have come across in the past, he will now fire back with everything he's got because he's just been busted.......

I know that I shouldn't be posting this stuff, but troll-baiting is sometimes just too hard to pass up, for it can get pretty amusing at times, no?

[GFLPraxis]

Your response to someone stating you repeat things too much is to post an eye-rolling smiley...over and over and over again?
EDIT: Looks like his post got deleted.

[rtdgoldfish]

In response to the X-Box 360 overheating...My friend and I played Perfect Dark Zero on X-Box Live for over 6 hours last night. When we finally turned off the system, I unplugged my iPod from it and was shocked at how cool the system was. The only thing that was slightly warm was the back near where the power cord plugs in to the unit.

In response to the machine crashing...My 360 has crashed once and it was while connecting to EA's server to play Need for Speed online. The video locked up but all I had to do was eject the disk and the console went back to the dashboard without having to restart at all.

All these reports are normal with any new launch; console, computer, portable electronics, whatever. One person has the problem and it gets blown way out of proportion and everyone thinks that EVERY system will have these problems. Odds are its a manufacturing defect which is totally understandable. Doesn't matter who it is, Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, there WILL be some sort of defect.

Eh, just my two cents having actually played the system for several days now. Feel free to ignore me, flame me, whatever, hehe.

[eva01]

I don't like Microsoft as much as the next person. But i think this is being blown out of proportion. The real reason to not get a 360 is because no good games in my opinion.

But other people may love the games, Defects happen to some systems. However i have never had a defect with a game system (only have bought nintendo systems however)

Things happen, oh well just go get a new one from the store you bought it in, if they say hey have none, then you best get compensation for it.

[hob]

Tabloid Journalism 101.

Big product being released from a tall-poppy behemoth company. Lots of hype and public interest. Write a scandalous story about infrequent teething problems. Include disillusioned quotes from message boards. Lots of page views = lots of advertising revenue.

As much as I'd love to see it fail and Nintendo to rise up to world domination again I'll file this stuff in the basket with the OMG iPod battery media reports.
The BBC is reporting it (here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4466688.stm)), and they don't get any revenue.... So it would seem to be a big story, no?

[MacRumorUser]

I don't like Microsoft as much as the next person. But i think this is being blown out of proportion. The real reason to not get a 360 is because no good games in my opinion..

Agreed to some extent. A couple of tripple A titles I was looking forward to Gears of War, Oblivion and Ghost Recon and Dead or Alive have all slipped to the new year.

I guess its horses for courses. What one person thinks is a must have title, leaves another cold. :)

[BornAgainMac]

360 is the number of degrees coming from those fast G5s.

[takao]

and a solution for a few overheating problems thanks to the PSU has been 'found'

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23998153&page=0

extra points for finding a Macgyver solution ;)

[GFLPraxis]

360 is the number of degrees coming from those fast G5s.

What G5's?

[Will Cheyney]

Haw haw!

[Eric5h5]

What G5's?

Exactly. I've seen that stated one too many times...for the last time, people, the Xbox 360 does not have G5s in it. The CPUs aren't anything remotely like G5s. If anything's overheating, it's not the CPUs, which are cooler (and more limited) than G5s. So repeat after me: NOT G5s! Ah, much better! :)

--Eric

[GFLPraxis]

Yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine. Sorry, can't help it, the tech nerd inside me screams bloody murder every time I hear that the 360 has a G5. ;)

[rosalindavenue]

and a solution for a few overheating problems thanks to the PSU has been 'found'

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23998153&page=0

extra points for finding a Macgyver solution ;)

That is very interesting (if you didn't read the link; it says that the power brick is the source of the problem; and if you put the brick in a place where air can get around it there are no further problems). If this really is the source of most of the problems; this will be easy for MS to remedy.

[Tommyg117]

Ok, so if the problem in the few consoles is due to the power supply, then wouldn't microsoft just have to replace the power cords and everything would be fine? That would be great news because then I wouldn't be holding off like I am. I just don't want it to be a problem with the actual console and then have them come out with a completely fixed version in a few months and have me be stuck with a system that doesn't work as well as it should.

[GFLPraxis]

Not quite; for all we know, the reason the power supply is getting that hot could be because of the excessive power demands of the 360. So Microsoft might have to come out with a power supply with a fan :D lol

[TheMonarch]

Not quite; for all we know, the reason the power supply is getting that hot could be because of the excessive power demands of the 360. So Microsoft might have to come out with a power supply with a fan :D lol



Or a bigger, more capable power supply :eek:

[GFLPraxis]

That power supply probably already has a higher volume than my GameCube...:eek:

[angelneo]

I have read on some forum polls that the defective rate is as much as 15%, given that there would be trolls going around posting nonsense, I would think it would be about 10%. It's still a pretty big number if it is true. Another complication is that these 360 are in short supply, defective units might need up to 6 or 10 weeks for a replacement. That would really pisses people off especially those hard-core gamers.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

I have read on some forum polls that the defective rate is as much as 15%, given that there would be trolls going around posting nonsense, I would think it would be about 10%. It's still a pretty big number if it is true. Another complication is that these 360 are in short supply, defective units might need up to 6 or 10 weeks for a replacement. That would really pisses people off especially those hard-core gamers.

I am sorry if I upset some peopl ehere. DOnt think I am a MS hater. I dont support them at all, but I dont hate them. It just doesnt suprise me that something like thi swould happen.
I think part of the problem is that Microsoft was so hell bent on getting this out before PS3 that it might have taken a few shortcuts in the design process or not tested enough units properly.
If XBOX is like this, i fear of Vista!

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Not to mention, he keeps posting the same stuff over and over and OVER again.
ME? I dont post stuff like this over and over again.

[Tommyg117]

I have a question that kind of doesn't pertain to this, but if you think about the limitations, it very well could fit right in on this thread. If the format of a regular dvd is too small and they can't find a way to compress the games any more, I have heard the possibility of adding a different format later. Would this mean that they would have to release an ENTIRE new xbox? or would there be an add on or something? I'm just really skeptical of the 360 but I really want to get one!

[clayj]

I have a question that kind of doesn't pertain to this, but if you think about the limitations, it very well could fit right in on this thread. If the format of a regular dvd is too small and they can't find a way to compress the games any more, I have heard the possibility of adding a different format later. Would this mean that they would have to release an ENTIRE new xbox? or would there be an add on or something? I'm just really skeptical of the 360 but I really want to get one!The machine's got an Ethernet port built-in, so it seems like they could release an external Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive that interfaces through the Ethernet port.

Or, they could start shipping Rev B. 360s with higher-capacity drives.

[GFLPraxis]

ME? I dont post stuff like this over and over again.

He was talking about Nimbus. If you entered the thread late, you missed it. The guy was being extremely rude towards everyone and bragging about how he uses his position as manager in a GameStop to keep people from buying XBox 360's. All his posts were deleted by the moderators, so you can't see who he was replying to.

We were getting mad at him, not you. And he got banned. So no worries :)

[GFLPraxis]

I have a question that kind of doesn't pertain to this, but if you think about the limitations, it very well could fit right in on this thread. If the format of a regular dvd is too small and they can't find a way to compress the games any more, I have heard the possibility of adding a different format later. Would this mean that they would have to release an ENTIRE new xbox? or would there be an add on or something? I'm just really skeptical of the 360 but I really want to get one!


What Microsoft has said is that they'll eventually come out with another XBox 360 model with a HD-DVD player built in, but the HD-DVD player will work *only* for movies, no games will ever ship on them because it would render older 360's useless.

[Counterfit]

The machine's got an Ethernet port built-in, so it seems like they could release an external Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive that interfaces through the Ethernet port.
I think the 360 has a 10/100 BaseT port (not that I could find any info on it. Xbox.com and IGN are harping on the wireless) which probably wouldn't have the throughput necessary for even standard DVD, never mind HD.

[TheMonarch]

I think the 360 has a 10/100 BaseT port (not that I could find any info on it. Xbox.com and IGN are harping on the wireless) which probably wouldn't have the throughput necessary for even standard DVD, never mind HD.


Blue Ray's transfer rate is 54mbps at 1x, HD DVD will prob. be less than/equal to Blue Ray...

I think 100 BaseT can handle it, even with all the overhead and stuff... I tansfer files from my Mac to my PC at about 8.5MB/sec (Wired)...

Thing is, using the ethernet port would make it a network storage drive... Have you guys seen the prices on those things?

[GFLPraxis]

What about USB 2.0?

[TheGimp]

I'm a Sony fan...love their TV's....love the PSP (see my many posts in "Is a PSP worth it"), but after owning two PS1's, I will never by a PS2 or full sized console manufactured by Sony. That is, unless several months go by after the PS3's release without many reports of problems and I become gradually convinced that Sony has "turned over a new leaf" with respect to build quality.

[crachoar]

Delicious irony.