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ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 14, 2013, 03:39 PM
I really like how 10.8.4 is running on my new Air, I don't think I'm going to bother with the .5 update when Mavericks probably isn't too far away.

I figure, if I'm gonna deal with growing pains from an update it might as well be with a new version of OS X instead of an update of an OS that works perfectly for me at the moment..

Anyone gone to 10.8.5 yet?



Shrink
Sep 14, 2013, 03:41 PM
I really like how 10.8.4 is running on my new Air, I don't think I'm going to bother with the .5 update when Mavericks probably isn't too far away.

I figure, if I'm gonna deal with growing pains from an update it might as well be with a new version of OS X instead of an update of an OS that works perfectly for me at the moment..

Anyone gone to 10.8.5 yet?

Yup, me, and at least three other people.:)

thejadedmonkey
Sep 14, 2013, 03:47 PM
I don't see why not to.

AXs
Sep 14, 2013, 03:48 PM
AC speed is doubled.

palmharbor
Sep 14, 2013, 04:00 PM
I would not be surprised if printer drivers you are using now do not work well under 10.8.5 or 10.9 but no problem...just junk your existing printer and go out and buy a new one the way we have had to before....we all have extra money to spend!

bobr1952
Sep 14, 2013, 04:02 PM
It's an update so update--no reason not to. :)

Mac.User
Sep 14, 2013, 05:45 PM
Hmm should I fix any open bug and security holes on this system... or wait an unknown amount if time until another OS is released?


That's a dumb question.

Weaselboy
Sep 14, 2013, 05:50 PM
I really like how 10.8.4 is running on my new Air, I don't think I'm going to bother with the .5 update when Mavericks probably isn't too far away.

I figure, if I'm gonna deal with growing pains from an update it might as well be with a new version of OS X instead of an update of an OS that works perfectly for me at the moment..

Anyone gone to 10.8.5 yet?

I installed in on my 2013 Air and have no issues. There are some security updates included, so it is a good idea to apply the update.

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Hmm should I fix any open bug and security holes on this system... or wait an unknown amount if time until another OS is released?

That's a dumb question.

Or... another approach would be to politely explain there are also security updates included and just drop the insult. But that's just me.

SusanK
Sep 14, 2013, 05:54 PM
I haven't tried my printer since the update. Hope it works. Mail is definitely improved. Not excellent but a little better.

thejadedmonkey
Sep 14, 2013, 05:58 PM
Or... another approach would be to politely explain there are also security updates included and just drop the insult. But that's just me.

What else would be in a point update?

Weaselboy
Sep 14, 2013, 06:05 PM
What else would be in a point update?

Below from Apple's own notes on the 10.8.5 update page:

The OS X Mountain Lion v10.8.5 Update is recommended for all OS X Mountain Lion users. It improves the stability, compatibility, and security of your Mac. This update:

Fixes an issue that may prevent Mail from displaying messages
Improves AFP file transfer performance over 802.11ac Wi-Fi
Resolves an issue that may prevent a screen saver from starting automatically
Improves Xsan reliability
Improves reliability when transferring large files over Ethernet
Improves performance when authenticating to an Open Directory server
Addresses an issue that prevented a smart card from unlocking preference panes in System Preferences
Contains the improvements included in MacBook Air (Mid 2013) Software Update 1.0

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 14, 2013, 06:07 PM
Hmm should I fix any open bug and security holes on this system... or wait an unknown amount if time until another OS is released?


That's a dumb question.

Calm down and stay classy.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636447
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635734
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636006
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636113
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635938
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635973

Yea, real dumb question. :rolleyes:

Mac.User
Sep 14, 2013, 06:11 PM
If people used your logic then no one would ever patch anything.

In a few months you are likely to be asking if you should install 10.9 or wait for 10.9.1.

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 14, 2013, 06:18 PM
Below from Apple's own notes on the 10.8.5 update page:

Sorry, I blocked that Mac.User kid. He needs a hug. But, none of these "updates" applied to me, which is why I asked.

Fixes an issue that may prevent Mail from displaying messages (never had a problem)
Improves AFP file transfer performance over 802.11ac Wi-Fi (don't have ac)
Resolves an issue that may prevent a screen saver from starting automatically (don't use screen savers)
Improves Xsan reliability (no idea what Xsan is)
Improves reliability when transferring large files over Ethernet (I don't transfer files over ethernet)
Improves performance when authenticating to an Open Directory server (no idea what an Open Directory server is, don't use it)
Addresses an issue that prevented a smart card from unlocking preference panes in System Preferences (don't know what a smart card is, don't use one)
Contains the improvements included in MacBook Air (Mid 2013) Software Update 1.0 (never installed this, mine may have come with it insalled, but I never suffered any of the problems with wi-fi/screen/etc. on my new Air)

For what it's worth, I decided to backup my Documents, Bookmarks and Downloads and went ahead with the update. Figured my computer is new enough and with those 3 things backed up I could go back to .4 easily if necessary. All went well, no problems, no noticeable difference as expected.

clyde2801
Sep 14, 2013, 09:26 PM
Safari seems snappier....:D






Wait, are we not doing that anymore?:confused::eek::(

scaredpoet
Sep 14, 2013, 10:22 PM
Calm down and stay classy.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636447
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635734
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636006
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636113
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635938
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1635973

Yea, real dumb question. :rolleyes:

....And you expect the update to Mavericks to be smooth as silk?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2164662?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3204350?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4142514?start=0&tstart=0

We can post links to people having problems with updates all month. Every update has edge cases (weird apps developed with bad coding techniques, cheap add-on hardware with dodgy drivers, etc.) that will break with updates. OS X isn't the only OS that has this problem. If I had a nickel for every time we've had to back our Windows workstations at work out of dodgy Windows updates due to issues, I wouldn't have to work anymore.

But. none of that means the majority of users will have their macs explode on them for doing a point-release update. It's no more risky (actually less so) than upgrading to a whole new major version of the OS.

I updated to 10.8.5 on my three personal Macs, and when those kept running fine, I rolled it out to all the Macs at work, and none of them are having issues, either. And honestly, I'll roll out Mavericks FAR more slowly and cautiously, because way more will change there, and there WILL be greater risk. But nonetheless, unless Apple has really dropped the ball, I'll very likely roll out 10.9.1 to all the Macs where I work that can support it, not too long after it comes out.

If however, you're completely risk-averse, you can do what my crazy counterpart in another organization is doing: making all of his Mac users use ONLY the version of OS X or iOS that shipped with the device. No point-release updates. No upgrades to new versions with new features. What it came with is what you stick with... it's the only way to be sure.

Spacial
Sep 14, 2013, 10:26 PM
It's running just fine for me. Plus I prefer to stay updated.

Agent-P
Sep 15, 2013, 02:15 AM
For every OS update (no matter how minor) I wait a couple of days to make sure there are no huge widespread issues with it. If there isn't anything major, then I go ahead with the update. 10.8.5 hasn't had any widespread issues (some people here and there, but nothing major). I went ahead and updated.

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 15, 2013, 02:40 AM
For every OS update (no matter how minor) I wait a couple of days to make sure there are no huge widespread issues with it. If there isn't anything major, then I go ahead with the update. 10.8.5 hasn't had any widespread issues (some people here and there, but nothing major). I went ahead and updated.

I only had a few things to back up so I did too..being a new computer, everything is still on an external HD so I just went for it. So far, so good..(nothing noticeably better or worse, which I guess is a good thing as it was running the same way on .4)

coldjeanzzz
Sep 15, 2013, 04:21 AM
Mavericks probably won't be here for another 1.5-2 months. Apple is too busy pushing trash like the iPhone C

flowrider
Sep 15, 2013, 07:35 AM
^^^^Oh, that's harsh:eek:

Lou

palmharbor
Sep 15, 2013, 08:01 AM
It's running just fine for me. Plus I prefer to stay updated.

I see the changes as esoteric...of use to a minority of users, my system is not broken so no need to download it and then find out my fussy Samsung laser printer won't work any more.

AXs
Sep 15, 2013, 08:12 AM
Mavericks probably won't be here for another 1.5-2 months. Apple is too busy pushing trash like the iPhone C

but all the colors tho :D:):o:confused::mad:

clyde2801
Sep 15, 2013, 08:35 AM
I would not be surprised if printer drivers you are using now do not work well under 10.8.5 or 10.9 but no problem...just junk your existing printer and go out and buy a new one the way we have had to before....we all have extra money to spend!

I was wondering if I was the only one who ever had to face this problem. And HP is the absolute worst in orphaning their printer drivers after a year or two.

I used to curse the stinginess of prior bosses who used old, outdated terminals, networking and software in their small businesses. After having to unexpectedly replace half my peripherals once or twice after ill considered OS updates, I've come around to their point of view: everything works, does the job, and is paid for, #$%# the upgrades.

My personal and/or traveling machines are a different matter.

bobr1952
Sep 15, 2013, 10:16 AM
Sorry, I blocked that Mac.User kid. He needs a hug. But, none of these "updates" applied to me, which is why I asked.

Fixes an issue that may prevent Mail from displaying messages (never had a problem)
Improves AFP file transfer performance over 802.11ac Wi-Fi (don't have ac)
Resolves an issue that may prevent a screen saver from starting automatically (don't use screen savers)
Improves Xsan reliability (no idea what Xsan is)
Improves reliability when transferring large files over Ethernet (I don't transfer files over ethernet)
Improves performance when authenticating to an Open Directory server (no idea what an Open Directory server is, don't use it)
Addresses an issue that prevented a smart card from unlocking preference panes in System Preferences (don't know what a smart card is, don't use one)
Contains the improvements included in MacBook Air (Mid 2013) Software Update 1.0 (never installed this, mine may have come with it insalled, but I never suffered any of the problems with wi-fi/screen/etc. on my new Air)

For what it's worth, I decided to backup my Documents, Bookmarks and Downloads and went ahead with the update. Figured my computer is new enough and with those 3 things backed up I could go back to .4 easily if necessary. All went well, no problems, no noticeable difference as expected.

Maybe so--but in the end it is best to update--like you did. Not for the things you don't need or use--but for these issues on the security side of 10.8.5.

http://www.eweek.com/security/apple-updates-mac-os-x-10.8.5-for-security-stability.html

Spacial
Sep 15, 2013, 11:37 AM
Mavericks probably won't be here for another 1.5-2 months. Apple is too busy pushing trash like the iPhone C

I wouldn't say the iPhone C is trash. But it is a reflection & further proof that Apple is deeply addicted to massive profits above all.

While a corporations job is to generate profits, it also has a duty to deliver what it's customers want. Not to convince them they have no clue what they want till the company delivers it.

Mrbobb
Sep 15, 2013, 11:42 AM
I am the odd man out, I don't update NOTHING unless there is something on the new release that I need. Still on 10.8.2.

Am in the school of, new is not always better, so I stay with that works for me.

Am technically savvy so I don't worry about security. Am not into political radical nor doing anything shady and nobody is interested in my private data except FB, Google etc but I got them covered.

In the case that my laptop does ever get compromised, I have a restore from backup procedure, a whole 15 minutes deal.

Not asking anybody to join my cult. ;)

flowrider
Sep 15, 2013, 01:17 PM
^^^^And I suppose you like driving your 1998 Impala:confused:

Lou

chabig
Sep 15, 2013, 01:19 PM
While a corporations job is to generate profits, it also has a duty to deliver what it's customers want.

Really. So you'd agree that Microsoft has a duty to sell OS X?

Y So Jelly
Sep 15, 2013, 01:47 PM
^^^^And I suppose you like driving your 1998 Impala:confused:

Lou

No such thing exists! Although, I wouldn't say no to a 96 SS :D



http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2010/07/15/10/47/1996_chevrolet_impala-pic-44453.jpeg

Mrbobb
Sep 15, 2013, 06:46 PM
^^^^And I suppose you like driving your 1998 Impala:confused:

U re darned right!

Is a vicious cycle: U update software, it wants more horsepower from your current hardware, so you buy more hardware to catch up, then the faster hardware encourages lazy developers to write bloated software.

YOU give them the $$$. Am cheap.

DisplacedMic
Sep 15, 2013, 06:54 PM
Hmm should I fix any open bug and security holes on this system... or wait an unknown amount if time until another OS is released?


That's a dumb question.

and this is a rude post

krazykleo
Sep 16, 2013, 12:57 AM
I haven't tried my printer since the update. Hope it works. Mail is definitely improved. Not excellent but a little better.

I bought a brand new printer for school 2 weeks ago and set it up via wifi since I don't have a USB cable and I didn't have to do anything after the update and it prints just fine! :)

KenniJH
Sep 16, 2013, 01:05 AM
I bought a brand new printer for school 2 weeks ago and set it up via wifi since I don't have a USB cable and I didn't have to do anything after the update and it prints just fine! :)

Same here, WiFi printer (2 Year old HP Deskjet AIO). Updated to 10.8.5 on my mini and my air... No problems at all...

clyde2801
Sep 16, 2013, 09:23 AM
Same here, WiFi printer (2 Year old HP Deskjet AIO). Updated to 10.8.5 on my mini and my air... No problems at all...

I don't think were talking about a point update, such as 10.8.4 to 10.8.5. You usually see support being dropped from say 10.7 to 10.8.

And HP is the worst about orphaning printer drivers at the earliest opportunity.

KenniJH
Sep 16, 2013, 09:58 AM
I don't think were talking about a point update, such as 10.8.4 to 10.8.5. You usually see support being dropped from say 10.7 to 10.8.

And HP is the worst about orphaning printer drivers at the earliest opportunity.

Ahh Got it.

My mistake, I read it as if we were borthering to do a point Update and that the hassle with that could (potentially) be printer / driver problems.

I stand corrected sir
- and have a Nice Day. :-)

sofianito
Sep 16, 2013, 10:49 AM
If people used your logic then no one would ever patch anything.

In a few months you are likely to be asking if you should install 10.9 or wait for 10.9.1.

If you ever worked in an IT company, you would know that the latest updates/patches are not always the most stables...

jet lag
Sep 16, 2013, 11:02 AM
If you have a 2013 Macbook Air and do a 10.8.5 update, your camera will not be accessible on SKYPE. This is acknowledged in the SKYPE forums as there is a 32 bit video driver missing from the update.

Apple hasn't yet issued a fix to this.

flowrider
Sep 16, 2013, 11:06 AM
^^^^There is a fix for that - Here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1636837

Lou

SusanK
Sep 16, 2013, 11:47 AM
I bought a brand new printer for school 2 weeks ago and set it up via wifi since I don't have a USB cable and I didn't have to do anything after the update and it prints just fine! :)

Thanks for the info. My printer is good with the update. It's an old Lex. I like it because it is compatible with 10.3.9, XP, Win 7.

I don't think I will upgrade to Mavericks unless there are features I cannot live without.

Mac.User
Sep 17, 2013, 08:23 AM
If you ever worked in an IT company, you would know that the latest updates/patches are not always the most stables...

I've worked in IT for over 10 years.

chrono1081
Sep 17, 2013, 10:18 AM
10.8.5 was the first Apple update ever that caused me some grief. My bluetooth stopped working and when I'd mouse over the right side of the menu bar I'd get beach balling.

A simple PRAM reset fixed this and all was well. NVidia has updated their web drivers as of last night to be compatible with 10.8.5 (at least for the card I have).