PDA

View Full Version : Gold HTC One spotted. Guess Apple is starting a trend.




Rogifan
Sep 14, 2013, 07:08 PM
http://cdn.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/imagecache/w680h550/postimages/444537/htc-one-gold-1.jpg

http://www.androidcentral.com/gold-htc-one-casing-shown-leaked-image

DISCLAIMER: yes I know Apple didn't invent the color gold, and there were gold phones before iPhone. And that HTC was probably working on this for a while. Saying Apple is starting a trend was just a joke. ;) I'm just a little amused to see a leaked photo of this after the iPhone 5S announcement.



ChrisTX
Sep 14, 2013, 07:13 PM
Lol, it was only a matter of time. ;)

SlCKB0Y
Sep 14, 2013, 07:13 PM
You are implying the following things:

1. There were no gold colored phones before the new iPhone, or
2. You know for a fact that HTC is creating this directly as a result of the new iPhone.

:rolleyes:

Neither of these things is true.

Rogifan
Sep 14, 2013, 07:19 PM
Lol, it was only a matter of time. ;)

I'd love to see what the backside looks like. I love the look of the silver and black One's but the new blue one is ugly IMO. I think colored aluminum looks ok in smaller things (like iPod nano/shuffle) but with big phones/phablets I think metallics look better.

http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/09/02/htc-one-blue-8_610x458.jpg

----------

You are implying the following things:

1. There were no gold colored phones before the new iPhone, or
2. You know for a fact that HTC is creating this directly as a result of the new iPhone.

:rolleyes:

Neither of these things is true.

Sigh. I knew I should have put in a disclaimer. Btw, I wasn't being totally serious. Lighten up.

SlCKB0Y
Sep 14, 2013, 07:21 PM
I'd love to see what the backside looks like. I love the look of the silver and black One's but the new blue one is ugly IMO. I think colored aluminum looks ok in smaller things (like iPod nano/shuffle) but with big phones/phablets I think metallics look better.

Image (http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/09/02/htc-one-blue-8_610x458.jpg)

----------



Sigh. I knew I should have put in a disclaimer. Btw, I wasn't being totally serious. Lighten up.

My bad...I haven't graduated from psychic school yet ;)

Rogifan
Sep 14, 2013, 07:24 PM
My bad...I haven't graduated from psychic school yet ;)

No problem. I got my disclaimer in there now. :)

F123D
Sep 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
That phone is ugly as well.

linkgx1
Sep 14, 2013, 07:29 PM
Then it's safe to say that Motorola started a trend?:rolleyes:

http://www.developer.com/imagesvr_ce/3057/MotorolaAtrix4G_Fingerprint%20_Fig2.png

Rogifan
Sep 14, 2013, 07:38 PM
Then it's safe to say that Motorola started a trend?:rolleyes:

Image (http://www.developer.com/imagesvr_ce/3057/MotorolaAtrix4G_Fingerprint%20_Fig2.png)

When did I say Apple was first with anything? I'm not being totally serious here. I just think its kind of funny that after Apple's gold iPhone is announced we get this leak of an HTC gold phone. Maybe Apple and HTC know something we don't. :)

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 14, 2013, 07:40 PM
I think they're both ugly (though the iPhone looks much nicer than the One)...I'd say they're ugly and blah blah blah, but as always..the market will decide if Gold is here to stay.

Elit3
Sep 14, 2013, 10:44 PM
Image (http://cdn.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/imagecache/w680h550/postimages/444537/htc-one-gold-1.jpg)

http://www.androidcentral.com/gold-htc-one-casing-shown-leaked-image

DISCLAIMER: yes I know Apple didn't invent the color gold, and there were gold phones before iPhone. And that HTC was probably working on this for a while. Saying Apple is starting a trend was just a joke. ;) I'm just a little amused to see a leaked photo of this after the iPhone 5S announcement.

You don't make a phone in 3 days, people don't understand this, just because a company got it out first, doesn't mean others are copying, these leaked ages ago! Oh let's say Apple copied Moto X with iphone 5C, there was a month gap. NO! Apple already had the 5C in production, as did HTC.

ChazUK
Sep 15, 2013, 01:43 AM
I dread to think how that looks on the back.

The Red One looks fantastic though.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17899843&postcount=3017

ItHurtsWhenIP
Sep 15, 2013, 01:55 AM
I dread to think how that looks on the back.

The Red One looks fantastic though.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17899843&postcount=3017

The red is awesome.

What are the chances this gold one has gold above and below the stripes, black in the middle with a gold HTC logo? (Slim, I'm sure..:rolleyes:)

Rogifan
Sep 15, 2013, 06:41 AM
You don't make a phone in 3 days, people don't understand this, just because a company got it out first, doesn't mean others are copying, these leaked ages ago! Oh let's say Apple copied Moto X with iphone 5C, there was a month gap. NO! Apple already had the 5C in production, as did HTC.

Geez lighten up. I've already said I'm not being totally serious. I just think its funny that Apple is getting snickers and raised eyebrows for coming out with a gold phone but it looks like HTC is working on one too.

numlock
Sep 15, 2013, 07:17 AM
Geez lighten up. I've already said I'm not being totally serious. I just think its funny that Apple is getting snickers and raised eyebrows for coming out with a gold phone but it looks like HTC is working on one too.

apple is the design standard. at least in their own minds and the minds of their most ardent fans

you think there is a htc fan who a)knows the name of their lead designer and b)has the face of said designer as his avatar on a forum?

Elit3
Sep 29, 2013, 12:54 PM
Geez lighten up. I've already said I'm not being totally serious. I just think its funny that Apple is getting snickers and raised eyebrows for coming out with a gold phone but it looks like HTC is working on one too.

Ah okay, sorry for that, it was probably a bad day or something. Apple is getting the laughs, I have heard people put on a "posh" accent, and say "champagne gold, yes yes yes" mocking em, also Samsung has announced a gold variant also.

Assault
Sep 29, 2013, 02:20 PM
This whole going gold is pure genius by Apple. Many people, in many countries are so insecure about who they are, that they believe a certain phone or certain color of that phone will elevate their status in the eyes of their peers.

While genius on Apple's part for marketing a phone, it's really a sad editorial on the state of our society. And that is the part that sickens me.

Technarchy
Sep 29, 2013, 05:47 PM
This whole going gold is pure genius by Apple. Many people, in many countries are so insecure about who they are, that they believe a certain phone or certain color of that phone will elevate their status in the eyes of their peers.

While genius on Apple's part for marketing a phone, it's really a sad editorial on the state of our society. And that is the part that sickens me.

And the 5S looks cool as Hell in gold. Once the frenzy dies down it's the model I intend on getting.

Somehow I doubt other makers of Johnny come lately gold models well get the same enthusiastic reaction for some reason.

rillrill
Sep 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
htc really needs to make this a gold and red colored phone if they're going to have tony stark pitch their crap.

Stuntman06
Sep 29, 2013, 06:53 PM
Ah okay, sorry for that, it was probably a bad day or something. Apple is getting the laughs, I have heard people put on a "posh" accent, and say "champagne gold, yes yes yes" mocking em, also Samsung has announced a gold variant also.

Samsung's gold phone came out in August.

APhillyApple
Sep 29, 2013, 07:31 PM
Wow, these other phone companies are lame as hell. They swing from Apples bag so hard. Lol, lots of serious butt hurt in this thread.

onthecouchagain
Sep 29, 2013, 07:35 PM
Wow, these other phone companies are lame as hell. They swing from Apples bag so hard. Lol, lots of serious butt hurt in this thread.

I think you ought to research when the good s4 cans out. Just a suggestion.

Elit3
Sep 30, 2013, 07:43 AM
I think you ought to research when the good s4 cans out. Just a suggestion.

Gold isn't out mate, they announced an extra color.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 08:05 AM
Gold isn't out mate, they announced an extra color.

You sure?

Quote:


Folks, for whoever is still worried about this, Samsung actually released the S4 Gold edition before Apple's keynote:

http://i.imgur.com/YQtU3Ko.png

"About a month ago on August 27th, Samsung launched the GALAXY S4 Gold edition in the United Arab Emirates (These were available in stores starting September 8th). Itís since also been released in Kuwait and Qatar," writes author "A."

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/28/samsung-crows-about-its-golden-history-of-making-gold-colored-phones

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 09:32 AM
The red is awesome.

And of course, which color does Verizon (aka "Big Red") go with? The blue one. :facepalm:

Folks, for whoever is still worried about this, Samsung actually released the S4 Gold edition before Apple's keynote:

Samsung NEVER rushes products out to "beat Apple..."

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2251976.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Samsung-Galaxy-Gear-smartwatch-2251976.jpg

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 09:38 AM
Samsung NEVER rushes products out to "beat Apple..."

Image (http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2251976.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Samsung-Galaxy-Gear-smartwatch-2251976.jpg)

I'm honestly not sure what this is supposed to mean. I was just addressing another member's comment about how the golden S4 isn't released yet.

This might be relevant, though:



Samsung released the first WatchPhone back in 1999 called the SPH-WP10

http://cdn.asia.cnet.com/i/r/2009/crave/hp/63012393/wp10_520x346.jpg

Samsung also released a WatchPhone in France during 2009, called the S9110

http://cdn.asia.cnet.com/i/r/2009/crave/hp/63012393/s9110-2_520x346.jpg

Quote:
The sleek S9110 is a mere 11.98mm thick thanks to the company’s advanced surface mounting technology, making it the slimmest watchphone device in the market. Featuring a 1.76” full touch screen customized for the wrist-watch form factor, the S9110 aims to attract mobile phone users who want a unique fashion item that keeps them connected on the go. The device also enables the users to check their e-mail seamlessly through Outlook.

In 1999, Samsung introduced the world’s first watch phone, the SPH-WP10, which became a landmark product in the mobile industry. The S9110 will be available in France this month for around 450 Euros.




Does everything Samsung does have to do with Apple? How do you know they did rush it to beat Apple? What inside tract do you have that I don't? I'm not saying they didn't, but you seem to know more than I do.

I'm not even a big Samsung fan -- I don't own a single Samsung product, be it smartphone or computer or fridge or TV (went with LG Smart TV recently). This obsession with Samsung and Apple is really clouding people's judgement. I appreciate what they're doing for the industry, and for Android.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 02:43 PM
I'm honestly not sure what this is supposed to mean. I was just addressing another member's comment about how the golden S4 isn't released yet.

You were trying to make the point that Samsung "technically" beat Apple to the punch on a gold phone. I was pointing out that Samsung seems to like trying to one-up Apple and doing it ahead of Apple's schedule.

Does everything Samsung does have to do with Apple? How do you know they did rush it to beat Apple? What inside tract do you have that I don't? I'm not saying they didn't, but you seem to know more than I do.

I don't have any more hard evidence other than what I've seen from them. You provide good examples above, though... Samsung tries on two separate occasions to release "smart watches," only to see complete failures. As soon as rumors swirl around an Apple iWatch in 2012/2013, Samsung rushes the Galaxy Gear to market (JUST before the keynote for the 5S). I find it hard to believe that the timing is coincidental.

Apparently they did the same thing with a gold S4, per your original post. Nobody was talking about a gold phone until rumors popped up about a gold 5S. And you have to admit, a plastic gold (and not champagne gold, but GOLD gold) device smacks of rushing to beat Apple at their own game.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 03:07 PM
You were trying to make the point that Samsung "technically" beat Apple to the punch on a gold phone. I was pointing out that Samsung seems to like trying to one-up Apple and doing it ahead of Apple's schedule.



I don't have any more hard evidence other than what I've seen from them. You provide good examples above, though... Samsung tries on two separate occasions to release "smart watches," only to see complete failures. As soon as rumors swirl around an Apple iWatch in 2012/2013, Samsung rushes the Galaxy Gear to market (JUST before the keynote for the 5S). I find it hard to believe that the timing is coincidental.

Apparently they did the same thing with a gold S4, per your original post. Nobody was talking about a gold phone until rumors popped up about a gold 5S. And you have to admit, a plastic gold (and not champagne gold, but GOLD gold) device smacks of rushing to beat Apple at their own game.

Conjecture.

And Samsung revitalizing their smartwatch program -- why can't that have to do with Sony more than Apple? Somehow, a competitor who is actually putting out a product isn't motivation enough versus Apple's rumor of putting out a product.

I don't claim to know the answer to these questions. I just know you have no clue why or how Samsung decided to revitalize both a gold phone or a smartwatch. Where did all those other colors from Samsung come from then? Where did the decision for a brown S4, for example, come from? Where are the rumors of Apple's brown iPhone to help guide Samsung's plans for that one? Where is Apple to guide Samsung in their other tech industries? Have you seen what they're doing with TVs? How come their progression of technology in other fields is legit, but their progression with smartphones and smartwatches not? Somehow they must be based off Apple rumors -- not even actual Apple products or other company's products.

EDIT: And so what if Samsung is being influenced by Apple? There is no doubt that Apple still has a huge sway on the tech industry (I never got onboard the camp that said "Apple is doomed," I've only ever said the tides are changing)? But really, so what? Why can't Samsung be applauded for being reactive to the industry trends and news and potential futures? What is exactly wrong with that business tactic, per se? Should Samsung instead rest on their laurels like say, RIM/Blackberry? Is that better? Why can't Samsung freely try to predict or anticipate the market and tech trends?

They "beat Apple" to the market with a smartwatch instead of "released a competing product to Sony (and whoever elses') smartwatch."

Such an Apple-centered world you live in.

samcraig
Sep 30, 2013, 03:22 PM
Since no iWatch has actually been announced - any commentary that Samsung tried to "beat" Apple to vaporware seems silly.

Samsung produced Smart TVs - Apple hasn't announced an actual TV yet - but clearly using this logic - Samsung rushed theirs out (the last several years) to beat Apple :rolleyes:

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 03:24 PM
Since no iWatch has actually been announced - any commentary that Samsung tried to "beat" Apple to vaporware seems silly.

Samsung produced Smart TVs - Apple hasn't announced an actual TV yet - but clearly using this logic - Samsung rushed theirs out (the last several years) to beat Apple :rolleyes:

Precisely. That's how good they are at "copying" Apple.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 08:09 PM
Conjecture.

I never claimed it was anything but? In fact, I actually said "I don't have any more hard evidence other than what I've seen from them." This is MacRumors, not MacNothingButFactualDiscussions.

And Samsung revitalizing their smartwatch program -- why can't that have to do with Sony more than Apple? Somehow, a competitor who is actually putting out a product isn't motivation enough versus Apple's rumor of putting out a product.

I don't claim to know the answer to these questions. I just know you have no clue why or how Samsung decided to revitalize both a gold phone or a smartwatch. Where did all those other colors from Samsung come from then? Where did the decision for a brown S4, for example, come from? Where are the rumors of Apple's brown iPhone to help guide Samsung's plans for that one? Where is Apple to guide Samsung in their other tech industries? Have you seen what they're doing with TVs? How come their progression of technology in other fields is legit, but their progression with smartphones and smartwatches not? Somehow they must be based off Apple rumors -- not even actual Apple products or other company's products.

I never claimed that Samsung's ONLY strategy is to outmaneuver Apple. Samsung's most obvious strategy is "throw everything we have at the wall and see what sticks." Samsung is one of the only OEMs to attempt a brown phone... because a brown phone is hideous. But the timing of the gold S4 is curiously coincidental at best and suspicious at worst. If you can't admit there is some amount of intrigue around the release of a gold S4, you're as willfully ignorant as you claim me to be. Which, if I recall, is the original point of this thread.

EDIT: And so what if Samsung is being influenced by Apple? There is no doubt that Apple still has a huge sway on the tech industry (I never got onboard the camp that said "Apple is doomed," I've only ever said the tides are changing)? But really, so what? Why can't Samsung be applauded for being reactive to the industry trends and news and potential futures? What is exactly wrong with that business tactic, per se?

Why not? Because any time Apple attempts to "be reactive to the industry trends" (see: notification center, iMessage, etc) they get lynched by the collective Android hive mind over a lack of innovation, or copy-catting, or whatever. The "other side" doesn't get to have it both ways.

They "beat Apple" to the market with a smartwatch instead of "released a competing product to Sony (and whoever elses') smartwatch."

I think they TRIED to beat Apple to the punch on a corner of the market Apple wasn't even ready/interested in diving into yet. The rumors were swirling and Samsung had some back-pocket tech that they decided to push out to market. Unfortunately for them, it will be the third failed attempt at a smart watch.

Such an Apple-centered world you live in.

I've owned a Blackberry, two Android phones, and an iPhone. I own an iPad, a PC, a Lenovo laptop, and a Samsung (gasp!) television. There isn't a single Mac in my home, and there never has been. It's okay, though... this isn't the first time you've accused me of being a blind Apple fanboy, and it isn't the first time you're just plain wrong.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 08:25 PM
Responses in bold:


I never claimed it was anything but? In fact, I actually said "I don't have any more hard evidence other than what I've seen from them." This is MacRumors, not MacNothingButFactualDiscussions.

Fair enough.


I never claimed that Samsung's ONLY strategy is to outmaneuver Apple. Samsung's most obvious strategy is "throw everything we have at the wall and see what sticks." Samsung is one of the only OEMs to attempt a brown phone... because a brown phone is hideous. But the timing of the gold S4 is curiously coincidental at best and suspicious at worst. If you can't admit there is some amount of intrigue around the release of a gold S4, you're as willfully ignorant as you claim me to be. Which, if I recall, is the original point of this thread.

What exactly is wrong with this strategy? What do you stand to lose if Samsung has the resources to "throw everything at the wall to see what sticks?"

I said this before:

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

It's not like Apple, in all their care and slow consideration, hits a home run with every single product they bring out either. When it comes down to it, Apple is just doing less.


And the brown phone is hideous. Okay, thanks but I didn't ask for your opinions of the color. I asked you where Samsung got the idea for that color if Apple didn't do it first? Nice dodge.

And I said so earlier that I have no idea whether or not Samsung copied Apple in revitalizing their gold color; only that they released a gold S4 before Apple announced it. Did they go on "rumors" of a gold iPhone? Maybe -- I have no clue. It's just that they've been adding colors before to their S4's, and they've had gold color phones before, it might stand to reason they'd bring back gold. And even if they brought it back solely due to Apple rumors, why not? What's stopping them from doing it?



Why not? Because any time Apple attempts to "be reactive to the industry trends" (see: notification center, iMessage, etc) they get lynched by the collective Android hive mind over a lack of innovation, or copy-catting, or whatever. The "other side" doesn't get to have it both ways.


Well, you got the wrong guy then. If anything, I've said multiple times that I wish Apple copied more for the sake of iOS. I would join you in pointing out to these "Android hive minds" that there's nothing wrong with Apple finally adding features that are in demand -- I praised Control Center in my impressions of iOS 7, criticizing only that it isn't customizable (something that would involve more copying of Android). So why are we not seeing you joining the "stop saying this is copying" side when it's Samsung copying Apple -- and again, in the specific case of the smartwatch, copying an Apple rumor, no less. You know, not Sony or Qualcomm or any other smartphone makers, including Samsung themselves back in 1999!

Also, don't forget, only one side is claiming their company is the most innovative company in the world.



I think they TRIED to beat Apple to the punch on a corner of the market Apple wasn't even ready/interested in diving into yet. The rumors were swirling and Samsung had some back-pocket tech that they decided to push out to market. Unfortunately for them, it will be the third failed attempt at a smart watch.

Whether it fails or not is irrelevant. Again, what exactly do you lose from it? And why criticize them? Is Sony and Qualcomm also fools for getting into a market that Apple isn't ready to get into yet? Again, why is it so Apple-centered in your world? Only markets that Apple get into are worthwhile for others to go into, too? Really not sure I understand your mentality here.


I've owned a Blackberry, two Android phones, and an iPhone. I own an iPad, a PC, a Lenovo laptop, and a Samsung (gasp!) television. There isn't a single Mac in my home, and there never has been. It's okay, though... this isn't the first time you've accused me of being a blind Apple fanboy, and it isn't the first time you're just plain wrong.


That's very nice. My pointing out your Apple-centered view is in reference Samsung's latest announcements. Everything must involve Apple -- in this case, Apple rumors, not even Apple products.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 08:27 PM
Since no iWatch has actually been announced - any commentary that Samsung tried to "beat" Apple to vaporware seems silly.

Samsung produced Smart TVs - Apple hasn't announced an actual TV yet - but clearly using this logic - Samsung rushed theirs out (the last several years) to beat Apple :rolleyes:

I've never actually used this term before, but it seems appropriate from my understanding of it - straw man argument, anyone?

Smart TVs have been in production from a variety of manufacturers for years... with Samsung being a leader in that market. Hell, I OWN one. Do I think Samsung's SmartTV OS is particularly good? No, I don't. I bought it because it's a quality picture at a reasonable price. I'd honestly rather use my Xbox, or an Apple TV, or a Roku, or almost anything else for "smart TV" use. I don't honestly think Apple will ever release a physical television set, but that's another argument for another thread.

A smart watch is a market that is non-existent at the moment, and one that had zero traction in tech circles until rumors started about an iWatch. The two Samsung attempts are perfect examples - I'd bet 90% of the people reading this thread had no idea these things ever existed (myself included). Suddenly tech blogs get wind of iWatch R&D, and suddenly Samsung and Sony both have prototypes ready to show just weeks before the secretive Apple Keynote.

I am not (and never have been) claiming I know some secret about what Apple or Samsung are up to. I'm merely posing the question of the motives behind Samsung's tactics regarding gold flagship smartphones and smart watches.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 08:38 PM
I've never actually used this term before, but it seems appropriate from my understanding of it - straw man argument, anyone?

Smart TVs have been in production from a variety of manufacturers for years... with Samsung being a leader in that market. Hell, I OWN one. Do I think Samsung's SmartTV OS is particularly good? No, I don't. I bought it because it's a quality picture at a reasonable price. I'd honestly rather use my Xbox, or an Apple TV, or a Roku, or almost anything else for "smart TV" use. I don't honestly think Apple will ever release a physical television set, but that's another argument for another thread.

A smart watch is a market that is non-existent at the moment, and one that had zero traction in tech circles until rumors started about an iWatch. The two Samsung attempts are perfect examples - I'd bet 90% of the people reading this thread had no idea these things ever existed (myself included). Suddenly tech blogs get wind of iWatch R&D, and suddenly Samsung and Sony both have prototypes ready to show just weeks before the secretive Apple Keynote.

I am not (and never have been) claiming I know some secret about what Apple or Samsung are up to. I'm merely posing the question of the motives behind Samsung's tactics regarding gold flagship smartphones and smart watches.

Even if this is the case, and that's possible that it is, the question still remains: so what? Good for Sony and Samsung and Qualcomm and Kickstarter to be able to suddenly get their design team together in such fashion, good for them being able to get into production a smartwatch that's ready for the market. And if it fails, how does that affect you, exactly? What do you stand to lose exactly for them "rushing" the item to market? If they have the resources, why not? How are you so sure the Galaxy Gear will fail already? It might, but how do you know already? Doesn't this just mean Samsung/Sony will put out more mature and improved watches down the road? Sony's Smartwatch 2, for example, got modest reviews, but everyone agreed it was better than their first one which was released a year ago (how far back does Apple's smartwatch rumor go, exactly?).

Let me ask you, in the spirit of keeping it on topic within the smartphone/smartwatch category... who was Samsung copying when they invented the market for phablets? Please, explain. Where were the Apple rumors that forced them to "rush" the first Note to market? Where were the Apple rumors that forced Samsung to rush out a stylus (an accessory Apple has actually spoken out against) dependent device?

Please explain to me since you seem so convinced Samsung (and others) are so incapable of making progressions and moves in the smartphone/smartwatch industry without Apple rumors (again, not even actual Apple products!).

samcraig
Sep 30, 2013, 08:40 PM
I've never actually used this term before, but it seems appropriate from my understanding of it - straw man argument, anyone?

Smart TVs have been in production from a variety of manufacturers for years... with Samsung being a leader in that market. Hell, I OWN one. Do I think Samsung's SmartTV OS is particularly good? No, I don't. I bought it because it's a quality picture at a reasonable price. I'd honestly rather use my Xbox, or an Apple TV, or a Roku, or almost anything else for "smart TV" use. I don't honestly think Apple will ever release a physical television set, but that's another argument for another thread.

A smart watch is a market that is non-existent at the moment, and one that had zero traction in tech circles until rumors started about an iWatch. The two Samsung attempts are perfect examples - I'd bet 90% of the people reading this thread had no idea these things ever existed (myself included). Suddenly tech blogs get wind of iWatch R&D, and suddenly Samsung and Sony both have prototypes ready to show just weeks before the secretive Apple Keynote.

I am not (and never have been) claiming I know some secret about what Apple or Samsung are up to. I'm merely posing the question of the motives behind Samsung's tactics regarding gold flagship smartphones and smart watches.

It's not a straw man argument. You might consider the analogy not appropriate - but it's not a straw man.

That being said - just because you didn't think there was a smart watch "history" before the rumors doesn't mean there wasn't one.

And right now - there's no iWatch. There are only rumors. Heck - Apple might not even be making a "watch" but just a band similar to nike fuel or something.

Do you really think that as soon as rumors swirled, Samsung was able to get a watch into PRODUCTION that fast? Yeah - ok. And that's just Samsung - that completely discounts things like Pebble.

But it's cool - you're entitled to your opinion.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 08:45 PM
Samsung is one of the only OEMs to attempt a brown phone... because a brown phone is hideous.

Yes. Brown. So hideous. So hideous that Apple wants to offer you the chance to cover your iPhone 5S in it:

http://i.imgur.com/L0efxVJ.png

I guess Samsung must've caught wind of Apple rumors of a brown iPhone case so they rushed to release the brown colored S3 last year, and followed up with the brown S4 this year too, right? :rolleyes:

Irrelevant, but I just googled the brown S3, and I don't even think it looks that ugly. But, that's just my opinion and it's ultimately irrelevant to the point at hand.

http://www.smartkeitai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-amber-brown.jpg?00d448

samcraig
Sep 30, 2013, 08:49 PM
I just want to add this one thing...

Ultimate - who really cares. It's a color of a phone. Doesn't matter if one copied the other or vice-versa. It's a freakin' phone color.

Petty crap.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 08:52 PM
Responses in bold:

What exactly is wrong with this strategy? What do you stand to lose if Samsung has the resources to "throw everything at the wall to see what sticks?"

I said this before:

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

It's not like Apple, in all their care and slow consideration, hits a home run with every single product they bring out either. When it comes down to it, Apple is just doing less.


And the brown phone is hideous. Okay, thanks but I didn't ask for your opinions of the color. I asked you where Samsung got the idea for that color if Apple didn't do it first? Nice dodge.

Believe it or not, I don't disagree with you on a few points. Samsung's strategy IS good for the market and ultimately the consumer. It forces everyone else to innovate and/or improve on ideas that Samsung may have pioneered, half-baked, or ripped off. Personally, I think putting out 14 different varieties of the same technology dilutes Samsung's brand, and I think SO many different options forces them to cut corners in areas I deem important. But I fully acknowledge that statement is a personal opinion, not any kind of objective standard.

I also don't disagree that Apple moves a lot slower, and doesn't produce nearly as many "next great things" as Samsung. They also whiff on the occasional product as well (I'm an outward critic of Maps, and plenty of Apple "services" have been head scratchers). But most of the time they take their time to make a product solid and usable for everyone. This means much larger adoption rates, which ultimately leads to more organic proliferation to branch technologies.

I didn't dodge anything on the brown S4 point. I said that Samsung doesn't focus only on Apple to dictate strategy - the brown S4 is case in point. They took a leap based on some other sort of business intelligence, which (IMO) wasn't good. The color is horrendous, and doesn't seem to be selling well - I see dozens of S4s every day, and not one is brown.

And I said so earlier that I have no idea whether or not Samsung copied Apple in revitalizing their gold color; only that they released a gold S4 before Apple announced it. Did they go on "rumors" of a gold iPhone? Maybe -- I have no clue. It's just that they've been adding colors before to their S4's, and they've had gold color phones before, it might stand to reason they'd bring back gold. And even if they brought it back solely due to Apple rumors, why not? What's stopping them from doing it?

You could have just said this and we'd both be happy. :p I simply threw out an off-hand comment about the peculiarity of timing for the "resurrection of a gold Samsung phone," and somehow we ended up here. I had no intention of making some grand statement about the state of Samsung marketing strategy.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 08:58 PM
Believe it or not, I don't disagree with you on a few points. Samsung's strategy IS good for the market and ultimately the consumer. It forces everyone else to innovate and/or improve on ideas that Samsung may have pioneered, half-baked, or ripped off. Personally, I think putting out 14 different varieties of the same technology dilutes Samsung's brand, and I think SO many different options forces them to cut corners in areas I deem important. But I fully acknowledge that statement is a personal opinion, not any kind of objective standard.

I also don't disagree that Apple moves a lot slower, and doesn't produce nearly as many "next great things" as Samsung. They also whiff on the occasional product as well (I'm an outward critic of Maps, and plenty of Apple "services" have been head scratchers). But most of the time they take their time to make a product solid and usable for everyone. This means much larger adoption rates, which ultimately leads to more organic proliferation to branch technologies.

I didn't dodge anything on the brown S4 point. I said that Samsung doesn't focus only on Apple to dictate strategy - the brown S4 is case in point. They took a leap based on some other sort of business intelligence, which (IMO) wasn't good. The color is horrendous, and doesn't seem to be selling well - I see dozens of S4s every day, and not one is brown.



You could have just said this and we'd both be happy. :p I simply threw out an off-hand comment about the peculiarity of timing for the "resurrection of a gold Samsung phone," and somehow we ended up here. I had no intention of making some grand statement about the state of Samsung marketing strategy.

Fair enough.




You could have just said this and we'd both be happy. :p

I did. My first response to you was: "I'm honestly not sure what this is supposed to mean. I was just addressing another member's comment about how the golden S4 isn't released yet." I went on to ask how you knew Samsung rushed it out to beat Apple.

Anyway, all fair. I think we're on the same page now.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 08:59 PM
Even if this is the case, and that's possible that it is, the question still remains: so what? Good for Sony and Samsung and Qualcomm and Kickstarter to be able to suddenly get their design team together in such fashion, good for them being able to get into production a smartwatch that's ready for the market. And if it fails, how does that affect you, exactly? What do you stand to lose exactly for them "rushing" the item to market? If they have the resources, why not? How are you so sure the Galaxy Gear will fail already? It might, but how do you know already? Doesn't this just mean Samsung/Sony will put out more mature and improved watches down the road? Sony's Smartwatch 2, for example, got modest reviews, but everyone agreed it was better than their first one which was released a year ago (how far back does Apple's smartwatch rumor go, exactly?).

Let me ask you, in the spirit of keeping it on topic within the smartphone/smartwatch category... who was Samsung copying when they invented the market for phablets? Please, explain. Where were the Apple rumors that forced them to "rush" the first Note to market? Where were the Apple rumors that forced Samsung to rush out a stylus (an accessory Apple has actually spoken out against) dependent device?

Please explain to me since you seem so convinced Samsung (and others) are so incapable of making progressions and moves in the smartphone/smartwatch industry without Apple rumors (again, not even actual Apple products!).

Read my previous response. I don't think Samsung (and others) are incapable of making progressions without Apple. I never (and I challenge you to point out otherwise) made that point. I merely pointed out some oddly timed releases that correlated extremely well with Apple releases or rumored product development. There is nothing specifically inferior about Samsung or its products. Simply some curious product development and marketing schedules.

Obviously not everything Samsung does is in direct response to Apple. Again, find me a quote where I said that and I'll stand corrected.

onthecouchagain
Sep 30, 2013, 09:01 PM
Read my previous response. I don't think Samsung (and others) are incapable of making progressions without Apple. I never (and I challenge you to point out otherwise) made that point. I merely pointed out some oddly timed releases that correlated extremely well with Apple releases or rumored product development. There is nothing specifically inferior about Samsung or its products. Simply some curious product development and marketing schedules.

Obviously not everything Samsung does is in direct response to Apple. Again, find me a quote where I said that and I'll stand corrected.

Fair enough. My mistake. All good in the neighborhood.

Prototypical
Sep 30, 2013, 09:31 PM
Yes. Brown. So hideous. So hideous that Apple wants to offer you the chance to cover your iPhone 5S in it:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/L0efxVJ.png)



That's equally hideous IMO, and I imagine Apple will sell DOZENS of them. But I digress... :p

I just want to add this one thing...

Ultimate - who really cares. It's a color of a phone. Doesn't matter if one copied the other or vice-versa. It's a freakin' phone color.

Petty crap.

This is a thread about a gold HTC One, which is nothing more than a re-anodized, one-year-old flagship device... and the lines being drawn to the gold Galaxy S4 (which is nothing more than a differently-colored six-month-old flagship device) were inevitable. We weren't exactly destined for a great philosophical debate in here...

Fair enough.

Anyway, all fair. I think we're on the same page now.

:cool:

Savor
Oct 1, 2013, 04:41 AM
Glacial silver HTC One still looks the best to me over any generation iPhone including the 5s in any color.

Great design and great feeling in the hand can come separate. The iPhone 4/4s looked great aesthetically but it wasnt that comfortable to hold in the hand and glass back was fingerprint magnet that was prone to shatter. Same with the edges of the 5/5s that is prone to scruffing. HTC One is the closest phone that mixes great design + great feeling in the hand + excellent build quality since the original iPhone.

I have given only four phones with a perfect 10/10 in pure design. First gen iPhone, iPhone 4, Nexus One, and HTC One. I have owned all of those phones. Nexus One is the most comfortable and UNIQUE even if it shares similar design cues from the HTC Desire. I just love the rounded edges and soft touch back. I would put HTC One at 3rd behind the Nexus One and BlackBerry Bold 9000 for comfort in holding among smartphones I've owned. The rounded back is nice but it does get a bit edgy where the sides are. The iPhone 4/4s doesnt rank high on comfort or durability for me even if it looks the best among all iPhones in my opinion. The first gen iPhone ranks higher in comfort and durability. There hasnt been a comfortable naked iPhone for me to hold since the iPhone 3G/3Gs design.

onthecouchagain
Oct 1, 2013, 01:18 PM
The Galaxy Gear is getting horrible reviews.

JobsGang
Oct 1, 2013, 01:30 PM
Yes. Brown. So hideous. So hideous that Apple wants to offer you the chance to cover your iPhone 5S in it:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/L0efxVJ.png)

I guess Samsung must've caught wind of Apple rumors of a brown iPhone case so they rushed to release the brown colored S3 last year, and followed up with the brown S4 this year too, right? :rolleyes:

Irrelevant, but I just googled the brown S3, and I don't even think it looks that ugly. But, that's just my opinion and it's ultimately irrelevant to the point at hand.

Image (http://www.smartkeitai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-amber-brown.jpg?00d448)

:eek:these colors look the same to you?

Elit3
Oct 1, 2013, 02:20 PM
Then it's safe to say that Motorola started a trend?:rolleyes:

Image (http://www.developer.com/imagesvr_ce/3057/MotorolaAtrix4G_Fingerprint%20_Fig2.png)

Yes. Motorola Atrix 4G, from 2011, not so revolutionary now, is it? :rolleyes:

----------

You sure?

Quote:


Folks, for whoever is still worried about this, Samsung actually released the S4 Gold edition before Apple's keynote:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/YQtU3Ko.png)

"About a month ago on August 27th, Samsung launched the GALAXY S4 Gold edition in the United Arab Emirates (These were available in stores starting September 8th). Itís since also been released in Kuwait and Qatar," writes author "A."

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/28/samsung-crows-about-its-golden-history-of-making-gold-colored-phones
Wow, once again, Samsung beat Apple to it ;)

----------

And of course, which color does Verizon (aka "Big Red") go with? The blue one. :facepalm:



Samsung NEVER rushes products out to "beat Apple..."

Image (http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2251976.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Samsung-Galaxy-Gear-smartwatch-2251976.jpg)

Well they still have a while for that, so no they didn't.