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RAPTORSKI
Sep 15, 2013, 08:02 AM
Lately I have been more and more disappointed by the way Apple treats the iPad. Badly needed features just don't make it to the iPad where they have been available on competing devices for a while and iOS7 did not help much either!
Here are the reasons why I think Apple is failing the iPad:

1. No proper multiple apps on screen and multitasking. Samsung and Windows OS tablets have had this for some time now and it is really annoying that I STILL cannot utilize the large screen of my iPad. Apple can make this an iPad specific feature maybe only 2 apps on screen, allowing the user to control an app's width, whatever it is every tablet in 2013 should have this feature.

2. Still no stock weather, stocks apps on iPad, even on iOS 7! These apps were officially not included by Steve Jobs a long time ago... iPads should come with stock weather, stocks, and other apps that are currently not included. The new weather app is gorgeous, there should not be a need for people to install 3rd person applications when such good apps are already available from Apple itself.

3. Still no proper file management on the iPad or iOS as a whole for that matter. You can't take a pdf you just made with Pages and keep it on the homescreen like an app where it is clearly visible. A file always has to be in some app, I can't just make a folder on the homescreen and shove all my pdf files in there, or all my music, and pictures, and open them with a particular app from there. Something has to be done about this, especially on the iPad which is almost like a pc. I shouldnt have to use a 3rd party application to be able to have proper file management.

I am not a hater, I like Apple and most other electronics companies out there for that matter, I just don't see why Apple doesn't work more on the iPad and it's features. Currently an iPad 2 owner, I will be considering an update in the coming years, and if Apple doesn't impress or at least have multiple apps on screen capability for the iPad, I might have to get a Samsung tablet or a Surface.

What do you guys on here think, am I right to want these features on the iPad?

Here is a Samsung Tablet I think currently meets my demands -
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/2014galaxynote10.1/feature.html



zhenya
Sep 15, 2013, 08:10 AM
Apple will possibly at some point allow multiple apps on the screen. Rest assured, when they do, it will work better than the half-baked options I've tried on other platforms so far.

Apps? Who really cares? Apples weather app is adequate at best anyhow.

You'll never see a file system as it is the antithesis of what has made iOS successful. Learn to work around it with a service like Dropbox instead.

Rodster
Sep 15, 2013, 08:13 AM
What do you guys on here think, am I right to want these features on the iPad?

You could be as it's a personal choice. Lets wait first to see if iOS 7 or its updates addresses multitasking concerns. There is a trade off with multitasking as in speed and smoothness of the OS. The Surface Pro does it well but backs it up with a capable processor that's running PC apps.

I've used multitasking features on Android but the devices tends to not run as smooth as you try and do more. As far as Apple goes, sure they coould match it but their devices are geared for simplicity and they tend to live by the KISS principal...keep it simple stupid.

There are some really nice stock and weather apps on the App Store. I used the "weather cube" and got it for free.

numlock
Sep 15, 2013, 08:27 AM
Apple will possibly at some point allow multiple apps on the screen. Rest assured, when they do, it will work better than the half-baked options I've tried on other platforms so far.

Apps? Who really cares? Apples weather app is adequate at best anyhow.

You'll never see a file system as it is the antithesis of what has made iOS successful. Learn to work around it with a service like Dropbox instead.

are you trying to say that ios with a filesystem or rather access to a filesystem wouldnt be as successful or have any effect other than giving those that want that an option?

as far as apps obviously apple cares because they did add the clock app.

i do find it bizarre why they of all companies dont offer the ipad apps the op listed or the apple store. it sets a bad precedent but thankfully some companies (most much smaller and with more limited resources) dont follow that lead.

ElectronGuru
Sep 15, 2013, 09:33 AM
What do you guys on here think, am I right to want these features on the iPad?

Saying no to customers is one of the riskiest things a company can do. It makes your feature lists shorter and it gives competitors the chance to say yes, all the way to the bank. And yet, apple does it every day. Part of what makes apple products great is their attention to detail. Enforcing that standard means putting fewer things in and taking more time when they do.

You are not wrong to want more, it's good and natural. But getting more often means getting less. A kitchen with 100 appliances won't help you cook faster if you spend so much time managing the tools that you don't actually get to cook. Apple knows this and enforces a feature discipline on itself. But it's a balance they may not always get right.

Borrow or rent that Samsung for a month. Bask in the huge feature lists. See what yes yes yes feels like. Did you loose anything in the process, is it more cluttered or unstable or slow? Or is apple just being close minded and doing both - more features + good design - isn't that difficult to achieve?

RAPTORSKI
Sep 15, 2013, 03:21 PM
Borrow or rent that Samsung for a month. Bask in the huge feature lists. See what yes yes yes feels like. Did you loose anything in the process, is it more cluttered or unstable or slow? Or is apple just being close minded and doing both - more features + good design - isn't that difficult to achieve?

While I agree that a wave of features can perhaps overwhelm people and ruin a product, the features I suggested Apple should implement into the iPad would definitely not overwhelm and are some of the most desired features users have been requesting for some time.

Multiple apps on screen is perhaps the most needed thing as people hate how they have a large high resolution screen yet cannot use it and have more than one app present at one time. Weather app on iOS 7 is great so I am sure people wouldn't mind having that either. It just doesn't make sense to have no weather app on the iPad, why?!!

iEvolution
Sep 15, 2013, 04:27 PM
- they're charging 100 more for 128gb as if we are still in 2009
- still cant customize the keyboard we all have the same hands according to apple
- theyre behind the curb both in features and arent the leaders in capacity like they used to be.

They arent failing at all but they certainly arent exceptional like they were in 2005-2010. I wont buy another Apple product again after that money grab they pulled with the iPad 3.

rowspaxe
Sep 15, 2013, 08:25 PM
Depending on how you look at--windows 8 was too little too late or too much too soon This fall oem products are finally falling into step with MS all in one vision and the results are interesting. These devices are productivity tablets--hybrids that do not compete directly with the ipad. The sony tap 11 and surface pro 2 more naturally compete with the mba, but the digitizer gives them special appeal to designers and students. Ironically--the appeal of these products owes little or nothing to MS modern ui--the value is having x86 files and software on a tablet. The productivity tablet market is not nearly as large as the consumption market--but its significant. I am an ipad fan but I will likely skip the ipad5 and go with the tap 11

phrehdd
Sep 15, 2013, 08:38 PM
I tend to agree that there are some serious short comings to the iPad (and yes I have one).

1) Why do menus fonts continue to be small as if the same on an iTouch or iPhone? There are plenty of people with vision problems that are not considered unless they want to put their glasses on every time they use the iPad.

2) While I am all for keeping apps and such on the internal drive, it certainly wouldn't be so bad to include adding additional capacity via card akin to what is used in a digital camera.

3) There are various things people would like to do with a tablet/pad and Apple keeps insisting on telling us what we want to do or how we should go about it. Sadly, no competitor has really created a 'winner' that can compete dead on.

4) While not an Apple issue directly, they should pressure to allow tethering to iPhones without having to pay more for tethering. Yes there are some apps available but Apple itself should put the muscle on ATT, Verizon etc.

leman
Sep 15, 2013, 08:52 PM
Apple will possibly at some point allow multiple apps on the screen. Rest assured, when they do, it will work better than the half-baked options I've tried on other platforms so far.


Well, WebOS still holds the crown for me as far as smartphone/tablet UI goes.

linkgx1
Sep 15, 2013, 09:53 PM
My biggest issue with iPad is multitasking. It feels so backward without it. I think Samsung did it correctly with it's note Series. I love the side-by-side.

But I really hope that the 64-bit processing means better multitasking. And icing on the cake, a better file managing system. Then it would be golden!:D

Bilalo
Sep 15, 2013, 10:06 PM
While I agree that a wave of features can perhaps overwhelm people and ruin a product, the features I suggested Apple should implement into the iPad would definitely not overwhelm and are some of the most desired features users have been requesting for some time.

Multiple apps on screen is perhaps the most needed thing as people hate how they have a large high resolution screen yet cannot use it and have more than one app present at one time. Weather app on iOS 7 is great so I am sure people wouldn't mind having that either. It just doesn't make sense to have no weather app on the iPad, why?!!

I would hate to see multiple apps to be honest, and the whole file thing, i don't really care about that i just want to be able to upload files on safari such as documents and all that and that safari automatically changes flashplayer to something that is compatible as well as microsoft silverlight for uploading. On the ipad just swipe 4 fingers left or right and your in the other app, works flawlessly and 10x better than samsung or microsoft. Don't forget this is a tablet and that gives it the right to not be a notebook, if so then ill just get a freakin laptop.

RAPTORSKI
Sep 16, 2013, 04:00 AM
I would hate to see multiple apps to be honest, and the whole file thing, i don't really care about that i just want to be able to upload files on safari such as documents and all that and that safari automatically changes flashplayer to something that is compatible as well as microsoft silverlight for uploading. On the ipad just swipe 4 fingers left or right and your in the other app, works flawlessly and 10x better than samsung or microsoft. Don't forget this is a tablet and that gives it the right to not be a notebook, if so then ill just get a freakin laptop.

If the rumours are true and Apple is indeed planning for a 12 inch tablet in the future your opinion might change. The iPads are quite powerful machines, they need more features such as multiple apps on screen in my opinion. Apple can make this work smoothly and easily. I will seriously consider an update to a Microsoft or Samsung tablet if they don't do this, as my next tablet needs to be a big step up from my current iPad 2.

Giuly
Sep 16, 2013, 04:19 AM
Lately I have been more and more disappointed by the way Apple treats the iPad. Badly needed features just don't make it to the iPad where they have been available on competing devices for a while and iOS7 did not help much either!
Here are the reasons why I think Apple is failing the iPad:

1. No proper multiple apps on screen and multitasking. Samsung and Windows OS tablets have had this for some time now and it is really annoying that I STILL cannot utilize the large screen of my iPad. Apple can make this an iPad specific feature maybe only 2 apps on screen, allowing the user to control an app's width, whatever it is every tablet in 2013 should have this feature.

Enable multitouch gestures and swipe left/right with three fingers.

2. Still no stock weather, stocks apps on iPad, even on iOS 7! These apps were officially not included by Steve Jobs a long time ago... iPads should come with stock weather, stocks, and other apps that are currently not included. The new weather app is gorgeous, there should not be a need for people to install 3rd person applications when such good apps are already available from Apple itself.

Download one of the gazillions from the App Store.

3. Still no proper file management on the iPad or iOS as a whole for that matter. You can't take a pdf you just made with Pages and keep it on the homescreen like an app where it is clearly visible. A file always has to be in some app, I can't just make a folder on the homescreen and shove all my pdf files in there, or all my music, and pictures, and open them with a particular app from there. Something has to be done about this, especially on the iPad which is almost like a pc. I shouldnt have to use a 3rd party application to be able to have proper file management.

You need an app to view that PDF anyways, don't you? And iBooks does exactly that, along with storing your PDF library.
Here is a Samsung Tablet I think currently meets my demands -
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/2014galaxynote10.1/feature.html

Come on, bro.

Shanghaichica
Sep 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Multi tasking is nice but I think there are still some areas where the iPad shines, I.e app selection, fluidity, reliability, content.

James717
Sep 16, 2013, 04:53 AM
I read on Wall Street that they're still waiting for Apple to bust out.

Waiting .

2014, 2015, 2016 or never.

Apple is terribly behind and yet people are buying Apple products and Apple stock based on potential to re-gain what made Apple special 5 years ago.

I work in the Stock Market and people are selling (why apple stock is down) but it's still getting bought up in bulk by traders. Why? in the next two, three months, Apple will introduce Ipad and iPad Mini. Then stock goes up, traders sell for quick profit and we'll see what happens next. LOL

The negative hype is SO helping traders make a quick buck.

OutSpoken
Sep 16, 2013, 05:33 AM
- they're charging 100 more for 128gb as if we are still in 2009
- still cant customize the keyboard we all have the same hands according to apple
- theyre behind the curb both in features and arent the leaders in capacity like they used to be.

They arent failing at all but they certainly arent exceptional like they were in 2005-2010. I wont buy another Apple product again after that money grab they pulled with the iPad 3.

What money grab did they pull with the iPad 3? I'm still getting the same enjoyment out of mine since the day I bought it on release:confused:

Ok, yes I did get a slight sour taste in my mouth when they brought out the iPad 4 nine months after the 3 but honestly other than a little inconvenience with charging cables...nothing else about the situation has bothered me to the point of yearning for the latest iPad 4. If anything; people who bought an iPad 3 on release and skipped the 4 timed it right! as I'm now in the market for the iPad 5.

dumastudetto
Sep 16, 2013, 07:38 AM
2. Still no stock weather, stocks apps on iPad, even on iOS 7!

Yeah the lack of a stock weather app is really hampering iPad sales. I hope Apple listens with the next update.... or they could go bankrupt. :rolleyes:

andiwm2003
Sep 16, 2013, 08:25 AM
........................................You'll never see a file system as it is the antithesis of what has made iOS successful. Learn to work around it with a service like Dropbox instead.

That is the reason why i never upgraded from the iPad1.
I like the iPad1 as a toy but I just can't use it for work without a real file system. Palm handhelds had the same philosophy and many people hated that.

I guess I'm just not a iPad person. I'll either get a different tablet or a Macbook Air in a year or two.

PracticalMac
Sep 16, 2013, 08:33 AM
2. Still no stock weather, stocks apps on iPad, even on iOS 7! These apps were officially not included by Steve Jobs a long time ago... iPads should come with stock weather, stocks, and other apps that are currently not included. The new weather app is gorgeous, there should not be a need for people to install 3rd person applications when such good apps are already available from Apple itself.



THIS!

iPad is like a second class citizen!
So many functions on iPhone absent on iPad for no reason.


Apps? Who really cares? Apples weather app is adequate at best anyhow.

At lest it does have it!
The pull down weather and stocks are really handy.

Unfortunately it seems Apple locks it out, as the Bloomberg app does not replace the iOS ticker.

roadbloc
Sep 16, 2013, 08:50 AM
I agree with the OP tbh. The iPad should not be treat like a phone. It should be treat like a PC. I feel Microsoft are hitting the nail on the head much better than Apple. Windows 8 makes iOS feel very limited and lacklustre. You can't even use a memory stick on an iPad yet!

(Although, I don't really care about stock apps. They are easily replaced.)

RevTEG
Sep 16, 2013, 10:06 AM
I've been an iPad user since week one of iPad one. Bought the two. Bought the three. Was a little bummed at the iPad four quick release. So i skipped buying. I will be buying the five. I hardly ever use my MacBook anymore. Love the iPad. However, there are also a few things I wish the iPad had as well. I use FaceTime and Skype a lot for family and business a lot. I personally hate the camera position on the iPad. It really needs to be in the landscape position to look normal. It's current position just creates weird viewing angles for conference calls.

So I also went a tried out a Note tab. I did like the camera position but the tablet felt really cheap in my hands. I was disappointed.

The iPad is missing a few things... yes. But so far I haven't found anything I'm willing to leave it for.

The weather and stock app should be a no brainer to included... In my opinion of course.

FrankB1191
Sep 16, 2013, 10:18 AM
When I bought my iPad 4, I panicked because there wasn't a stock calculator! I thought I was being ripped off, since my Samsung tablets all had a stock calculator. I then discovered the App Store..... :D The free calculator I chose is light years ahead of the stock Android version, as is the weather app I chose. In fact, I deleted the Samsung weather app, and installed the weather app I found in he App Store.

People say that Apple treats its customers like children, but I've honestly come to the conclusion that allowing users to choose what they want on their tablets is the adult thing to do. I've deleted as much of the stock apps and widgets as possible on my Android devices, but not all can be removed.

poobear
Sep 16, 2013, 10:27 AM
The iPad is failing because no weather app? LOOOOL

andiwm2003
Sep 16, 2013, 11:03 AM
The iPad is failing because no weather app? LOOOOL
You are missing the point. The OP said Apple is failing the iPad, not that the iPad is failing.

Mainsail
Sep 16, 2013, 12:45 PM
1. A split screen would not be very practical for me. The screen is too small and the controls on the touch interface would be difficult to use. There might be some applications that work well, but I think they would be few and far between. The multitasking gestures work great, and I like moving between full screens with a swipe.

2. There are tons of weather and stock apps in the App Store. I really don't see this as a big deal.

3. A centralized file system might be nice, but with cloud storage and apps like Goodreader, it really hasn't been much of a problem for me. I have adjusted my workflow somewhat, and moved more content to the Cloud.....which has actually been a good thing.

crzdcolombian
Sep 16, 2013, 01:02 PM
It needs more memory 500 for 16gb is not enough !!!

RAPTORSKI
Sep 16, 2013, 03:57 PM
I also think it's important to mention how a good chunk of Samsung tablets include a decent stylus with the tablet. While I may not use a stylus with my iPad very often, it is a good thing to have every once in a while when you do not feel like writing with your finger or typing. If you don't use it, you just stick it back in it's place inside the tablet where it doesn't cause any issues whatsoever.

It is not something big for most people, but it is just another advantage Samsung has now. If you don't need it, don't use it, but it's there and comes along free with the purchase. Not big a deal but certainly a good thing for Samsung.

Consultant
Sep 16, 2013, 04:38 PM
When all you got are phone apps (and very few tablet optimized apps), of course you are going to promote that you can put two phone apps next to each other.

Stylus? Back to the 90s we go!

preyan
Sep 16, 2013, 04:42 PM
My few comments about a few comments on here:

1. Yes, that's right. When I want to comment to someone on email about something I read on the net or something not the net that triggered a thought, I'd love to multitask and swipe three fingers right to access email, type, swipe three fingers left to quote something from an article, swipe right again to go back to my email to finish it up. Oops! I think I saw something in the article that might add further relevance to email. Ok, I'm cool with swiping now. Swipe left to access article again. Cool. Scroll up or down to where that specific part is. Ok, I have a good memory. Cool. Back to swiping right again and finish off the email. Hell, who needs two apps, one below the other? That's for lazy people :confused::rolleyes::eek:

2. So some of you "hate" to have 2 apps open in the same screen. Ok, that's cool. Everybody has choices. That's why there's something called multitask on or off. So leave it off and guess what!? You probably won't even know you have that functionality on your device. Just what you wanted right? No multitasking where you have 2 apps open on the same screen.

Win win! :D

tmarks11
Sep 16, 2013, 04:43 PM
1. No proper multiple apps on screen and multitasking.
+++1. I find it painful not to be able to grab and drag text between web pages and email messages, or onto a word document. Having a calculator up next to a spreadsheet, etc. Two apps side-by-side is needed to be productive, which is why I keep returning to my MBA. And why I might end up departing the pattern and going to a Win8 tablet, once a mature one is released. The only thing that keeps me is the tight ecosystem.

Swiping left and right. Too painful, takes too long, breaks the stream of concentration. Want to copy numbers off the calculator registers onto a word document? Swipe back and forth, back and forth. You gotta be kidding me. Different needs for different people, I know.

One of the biggest improvements in Windows 7 was the automatic sizing of windows on your screen so you could easily keep two documents on the screen. WIN + LEFT makes a document perfectly sit on the left side of the screen, WIN+RIGHT makes the other document sit perfectly on the right side of the screen. Yes, dual monitors are better, but not all of us can convince the IT folks of that at work. To me, the ability to look at two different documents or applications is vital for a productive work environment.

2. Still no stock weather, stocks apps on iPad, even on iOS 7
meh. Plenty available.

3. Still no proper file management on the iPad or iOS as a whole for that matter.
Only a +1 on this one. Yes, some way to sort and store documents would be nice, but Apple is not the only one who has dropped the ball on this. I have hundreds of kindle books, and they are all in a jumble. The ability to sort them would be a big improvement, and that is a bigger PIA to me then ipad documents in general. But I don't used Ipad for productivity (see #1 above), so that might make the difference.

You missed my biggest beef with Ipad: give me CURSOR buttons already. UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT. Document creation is painful without it. Unbelievable, there is plenty of room on the screen to add them to the keyboard.

The Game 161
Sep 16, 2013, 05:03 PM
Ipad is a great device..apple's best by some distance but I agree with the points and it's why I'm likely selling my ipad 2 for the note 10.1 2014 rather than the new ipad.

multitasking with spilt screen is a big thing here with what you can also use. same goes for the abilty to use an S pen. Which has been great on my note 8.0.

and now the note 10.1 has an even better screen than the ipad for now it's a no brainer now that I have the other note devices.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 16, 2013, 05:05 PM
Apple will possibly at some point allow multiple apps on the screen. Rest assured, when they do, it will work better than the half-baked options I've tried on other platforms so far.

Apps? Who really cares? Apples weather app is adequate at best anyhow.

You'll never see a file system as it is the antithesis of what has made iOS successful. Learn to work around it with a service like Dropbox instead.

Apple loves consumers like you. :apple:

Oohara
Sep 16, 2013, 06:21 PM
Splitscreen multitasking (no, it doesn't lag), swipe typing, and annotating/sketching with the S pen make my Note 2 just fly when it comes to productivity. The iPad has none of these and that's why I'm getting a Note 10.1 as my next tablet. It will be an ultraportable laptop supplement in a way the iPad simply is not even close to being.

Sure, I'll miss the odd app, and the iPad itself is a better looking device, but the choice really is a no-brainer for me considering what I'm getting in terms of functionality.

Fernandez21
Sep 16, 2013, 06:28 PM
I completely agree with you, and if not for certain apps I need for work being exclusive on iOS, I wouldnt have an iPad. I really hope they bring a more Mac like expierence to iPad, I can already envision on how that could work with the additions they've made in Mavaricks.

Michael Goff
Sep 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
When all you got are phone apps (and very few tablet optimized apps), of course you are going to promote that you can put two phone apps next to each other.

Stylus? Back to the 90s we go!

Apple thanks consumers like you.

RAPTORSKI
Sep 16, 2013, 06:45 PM
When all you got are phone apps (and very few tablet optimized apps), of course you are going to promote that you can put two phone apps next to each other.

Stylus? Back to the 90s we go!

Why not have a stylus when it is free with the product (Samsung) and can be tucked out of sight when not needed? Then when you do, it's back in action, and ready to go. :)

The Game 161
Sep 16, 2013, 06:57 PM
stylus are just a great idea. Love it on my note 8.0 and it's a big reason for me getting the note 3 and likely note 10.1.

Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2013, 10:38 PM
How much are you guys getting paid by Samsung? Might consider having a go myself if the price is right. :rolleyes:

I have never wanted to multitask on my iPad. Heck, I have NEVER multitasked on my computer for like the last 10+ years except for instant messaging, and I don't even do that anymore. Why don't I do it? Because having two HUGE programs open at the same time used to be an issue, and I just learnt not to do it.

I have never liked the iOS weather app. The Android ones are pretty lacking too. Third-party apps are much better.

Same thing with Stocks.

I have a program called PhoneView I use with my iOS devices to handle file management. I've been using it since the Leopard days.

Buying a $300+ tablet just for the $40 pen is a joke. I bought a $300+ iPad Mini, bought the $500+ EXCLUSIVE apps to use on it, and am going to buy that $80 Wacom stylus that is coming out to use alongside my Jot Pro.

I am happy with my setup, and I paid a lot of good money to use it for my needs. Sure, where the Samsung Galaxy Notes do well, the iPads aren't great at, but where the iPad excels, it blows away every single tablet in existence that doesn't have a Intel Core or higher processor and is basically a Tablet PC running Windows.

But even those make really bad tablets.

The Game 161
Sep 16, 2013, 10:44 PM
How much are you guys getting paid by Samsung? Might consider having a go myself if the price is right. :rolleyes:I have never wanted to multitask on my iPad. Heck, I have NEVER multitasked on my computer for like the last 10+ years except for instant messaging, and I don't even do that anymore. Why don't I do it? Because having two HUGE programs open at the same time used to be an issue, and I just learnt not to do it.

I have never liked the iOS weather app. The Android ones are pretty lacking too. Third-party apps are much better.

Same thing with Stocks.

I have a program called PhoneView I use with my iOS devices to handle file management. I've been using it since the Leopard days.

Buying a $300+ tablet just for the $40 pen is a joke. I bought a $300+ iPad Mini, bought the $500+ EXCLUSIVE apps to use on it, and am going to buy that $80 Wacom stylus that is coming out to use alongside my Jot Pro.

I am happy with my setup, and I paid a lot of good money to use it for my needs. Sure, where the Samsung Galaxy Notes do well, the iPads aren't great at, but where the iPad excels, it blows away every single tablet in existence that doesn't have a Intel Core or higher processor and is basically a Tablet PC running Windows.

But even those make really bad tablets.


It's about the better product and Samsung have the better product for my and alot of people's usage and habits.

Jessica Lares
Sep 16, 2013, 11:05 PM
It's about the better product and Samsung have the better product for my and alot of people's usage and habits.

And why can't you guys understand that it's the other way around too? :rolleyes:

It's about the better product and Apple has the better product for my and a lot of people's usage and habits.

The Game 161
Sep 16, 2013, 11:13 PM
And why can't you guys understand that it's the other way around too? :rolleyes:

It's about the better product and Apple has the better product for my and a lot of people's usage and habits.

Thats why I said mine and ALOT of people's usage...would be foolish to say all as everybody has different needs.

T5BRICK
Sep 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
How much are you guys getting paid by Samsung? Might consider having a go myself if the price is right. :rolleyes:

Hey, I think my iPad is great and all, but side by side multitasking and a file system are incredibly powerful tools.

I have never wanted to multitask on my iPad. Heck, I have NEVER multitasked on my computer for like the last 10+ years except for instant messaging, and I don't even do that anymore. Why don't I do it? Because having two HUGE programs open at the same time used to be an issue, and I just learnt not to do it.

You've got to be kidding me. You don't multitask on your computer? On any given day I'm running at least six applications on my work computer. When I'm home, there are at least four at the same time. These things have multicore processors and gigs of RAM for a reason.

SlCKB0Y
Sep 17, 2013, 07:06 AM
You'll never see a file system as it is the antithesis of what has made iOS successful. Learn to work around it with a service like Dropbox instead.

It's amazing that Apple thinks iOS users are too stupid to understand basic file managers when those same users have absolutely no problem using Windows Explorer and Finder, and have been able to do so for a long time.

AppleRobert
Sep 17, 2013, 09:51 AM
I read on Wall Street that they're still waiting for Apple to bust out.

Waiting .

2014, 2015, 2016 or never.

Apple is terribly behind and yet people are buying Apple products and Apple stock based on potential to re-gain what made Apple special 5 years ago.

I work in the Stock Market and people are selling (why apple stock is down) but it's still getting bought up in bulk by traders. Why? in the next two, three months, Apple will introduce Ipad and iPad Mini. Then stock goes up, traders sell for quick profit and we'll see what happens next. LOL

The negative hype is SO helping traders make a quick buck.

I ain't so sure a Mini and new IPad announcement will move the stock. At this point, Apple best have those being blockbuster products. The iPad 4 was a train wreck compared to the Mini in sales.

DeathTheKid
Sep 17, 2013, 12:08 PM
Hey, I think my iPad is great and all, but side by side multitasking and a file system are incredibly powerful tools.



You've got to be kidding me. You don't multitask on your computer? On any given day I'm running at least six applications on my work computer. When I'm home, there are at least four at the same time. These things have multicore processors and gigs of RAM for a reason.

Yea, I think side-by-side is really nice especially if you are a student. It's would be nice to have a video lecture open while I am taking notes without having to swipe back and forth.

I don't have a Galaxy Note, but there are "floating apps" on the Play Store, which lets you use two apps on the same screen.

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Stylus? Back to the 90s we go!

Are you kidding me! An active digitizer is awesome when taking notes, editing photos, etc. It also allows a much greater level of precision than a finger or capacitive stylus when you are using remote desktop from your tablet.

zhenya
Sep 18, 2013, 09:11 AM
It's amazing that Apple thinks iOS users are too stupid to understand basic file managers when those same users have absolutely no problem using Windows Explorer and Finder, and have been able to do so for a long time.

Actually, a huge number of those same users have been basically baffled by file managers for decades. I've supported any number of family, friends and acquaintances who have been using computers for decades who never really 'get' the file system organization. They may figure it out by doing things by rote - that is, they follow exactly the same steps every time - but if they miss a step, or accidentally save a file in the wrong place? They can't figure it out. I've seen this across WAY too many people in too many lines of work - people who are smart and successful in their own lives to think this is a quirk.

It was GENIUS to leave the file system inaccessible to the users in iOS. Want a file system? Choose a different device.

Wow, that was simple.

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I also think it's important to mention how a good chunk of Samsung tablets include a decent stylus with the tablet. While I may not use a stylus with my iPad very often, it is a good thing to have every once in a while when you do not feel like writing with your finger or typing. If you don't use it, you just stick it back in it's place inside the tablet where it doesn't cause any issues whatsoever.

It is not something big for most people, but it is just another advantage Samsung has now. If you don't need it, don't use it, but it's there and comes along free with the purchase. Not big a deal but certainly a good thing for Samsung.

The thing is, there are tablets available that have this stuff. I have a Surface Pro, I have Android tablets. They do their own things well. The iPad is the one I reach for 98% of the time though because it does SO MANY different things better than tablets that strive to be a computer more than an appliance. I have computers. What I want much of the time is an appliance that is ALWAYS ready to go with no issues. My iPads have been filling that need for years. I can only hope Apple continues to ignore all these requests for MORE FEATURES!!

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 18, 2013, 09:16 AM
I find the iPad boring. I mainly use my iPad 2 now as just one of my alarm clocks, don't even browse on it anymore. My next tablet will definitely be Android based. Most likely Galaxy Note. I just can't see myself upgrading to another iPad. Yes the hardware in the lastest iPads are an huge improvement but iOS is basically still the same.

xraydoc
Sep 18, 2013, 10:57 AM
1. A split screen would not be very practical for me. The screen is too small and the controls on the touch interface would be difficult to use. There might be some applications that work well, but I think they would be few and far between. The multitasking gestures work great, and I like moving between full screens with a swipe.
While switching back and forth works, I do find it useful to be able to show a PDF file on the top half of my screen and a note-taking app on the bottom half, which many of the Samsung products can do.

xraydoc
Sep 18, 2013, 11:58 AM
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kasakka
Sep 18, 2013, 01:40 PM
Actually, a huge number of those same users have been basically baffled by file managers for decades. I've supported any number of family, friends and acquaintances who have been using computers for decades who never really 'get' the file system organization. They may figure it out by doing things by rote - that is, they follow exactly the same steps every time - but if they miss a step, or accidentally save a file in the wrong place? They can't figure it out. I've seen this across WAY too many people in too many lines of work - people who are smart and successful in their own lives to think this is a quirk.

It was GENIUS to leave the file system inaccessible to the users in iOS. Want a file system? Choose a different device.

I'd say that is partially because before Win 7, the Windows file manager was a ghastly piece of ****. It was no good for the power user and could be confusing for the average one. Finder is still a terrible file manager in general.

There is nothing genius about leaving a file manager out. It would've been a far better idea to provide an extremely simplified one, with only the simplest actions available, tailored to the far more limited file management needed on mobile devices. People are getting along just fine with the Photos picture gallery, I don't see why this would be any more difficult if something similar was for other filetypes. Right now iOS is generally either "here, these are the files you used with this program" or "nope, doesn't exist" if you try to access the same stuff in some other program.

Right now Apple seems to do bare minimum when it comes to tailoring iOS for the iPad. It comes down to apps themselves to provide iPad specific functionality (and that is why I'd pick the iPad over Android tablets right now) while the rest of the OS is same as the phone version but with a few added gestures.

zhenya
Sep 18, 2013, 01:44 PM
There is nothing genius about leaving a file manager out.

I disagree. SJ's (and to a lesser extent today, Apple's) genius was always leaving out the extra features and only adding them when they were truly useful. EVERY tech company loves to add features because they feel compelled to by market forces and the general opinion of the population (but I need such and such!!) and the fact that it makes a great list on the side of the box.

Having a big tech company with someone who has the ability to say NO can be a hugely valuable asset.