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Jacoblee23
Sep 18, 2013, 03:52 PM
So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?



Iphone5preorder
Sep 18, 2013, 04:01 PM
Galaxy for sure.

Mxbzz
Sep 18, 2013, 04:05 PM
The way I see it, you have another week to decide. Let the user reviews of the iPhone 5S trickle through and make your decision then.

Personally, I have grown far too accustomed to having a larger screen. I do like the improved web browsing performance the 5S brings, but I just can't go back to a 4" screen. I'll be holding off on getting another iPhone until they introduce something bigger.

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2013, 04:14 PM
Not just the screen size, but iOS itself still needs to grow. iOS 7 is the right step, but it's also a small step when compared to where Android is (and will be with KitKat coming soon, though that may not be as relevant to your GS4 unless you flash).

The Verge details it well in their iOS 7 review: http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4741724/ios-7-review

Very much worth reading. Here's the Wrap Up portion. I've bolded some relevant lines:


Apple’s on a mission to convince buyers that it’s still relevant, still innovative, still interesting. iOS 7 is full of big, sweeping changes to that effect, and there’s real power in making something look fresh and bright, but in the end the new visuals don’t offer much change under the surface. Not yet, anyway.

There are plenty of APIs and tools in iOS 7 that might make it easier for developers to build beautiful new apps that offer remarkable functionality and tie into the interesting new parts of the OS. But Apple needs to help. The Today screen could eventually be a fantastic Google Now-like experience, with all the information you need quickly, but only if developers can access it. Siri could get better and better, and ultimately let you do everything on your phone with your voice, but only if Siri learns what Evernote is and how she can search it for me. There is finally a more robust sharing menu, but it’s woefully underpopulated. Apple needs developer support, yes, but it’ll get that; what I don’t know is whether Apple will open its doors and give developers access to its best, most integrated features, rather than deciding for its users which three places we want to search or send our photos.

Today, as it rolls out to users everywhere, iOS 7 is still on most levels the same operating system it’s been for six years. Meanwhile Android has become a fun, efficient, flowing operating system that makes it easy to move data between apps, easy to share things, and easy to see only the information you need at the moment. Where iOS 7 still feels like jumping in and out of a series of apps, the best moments of using Android make it feel like a cohesive, unified platform. There’s no question iOS 7 has the foundational strength to match that experience, but Apple has to throw open the doors and let its huge ecosystem build on that potential.

iOS has always been an excellent operating system, and iOS 7 remains an excellent operating system. But if Apple’s goal was to match the power and flexibility of its rivals, iOS 7 feels very much like the beginning of a project rather than its conclusion.



The iPhone 6 (with hopefully a larger screen) and potentially iOS 8 (depending on quickly Cook/Ive want to grow iOS from this point on without Jobs) will be when to keep an eye out.

daveathall
Sep 18, 2013, 04:28 PM
So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?

All the features you like on the SGS4 are not available on the 5S, which will still be a brilliant phone, but "feeling weird not having an iPhone" IMHO is not good enough reason to give up features that you love, and if you were bored with iOS 7 already I would suggest that you may not feel any better some time in the future.

What is not in doubt is that whichever phone of the two you do decide on, it is/will be superb, great problem to have. :)

Evnor
Sep 18, 2013, 04:59 PM
Follow your heart (= keep the S4 ;)).

The Game 161
Sep 18, 2013, 05:05 PM
depends how much screen size means to you and the great features that come with it.

mjb1975
Sep 18, 2013, 05:08 PM
So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?

Why would you let other people decide whats best for YOU? Only YOU can make that decision. I have the S4 but I also have an iPod Touch and iPad mini, so I get to use both Android and iOS, and they both have their pros and cons. I suggest you read the Andatech review on the 5s where they break down how very good the A7 chip and new camera are. I'll admit I am now considering moving towards the 5s now too.

Krimsonmyst
Sep 18, 2013, 06:21 PM
I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy.

A few years ago this was me. I had an opportunity to try out the Galaxy S2, and I took it. At first it felt weird. I felt out of place, I missed things I was used to having and for the first month or so I lost count of how many times I would think, 'Well on the iPhone I could just...'

But then, after about that month point, I started to hit a turning point and started to think the Android way. Instead of being frustrated that something didn't work the way it did on the iPhone, I found out how I could do it better on the S2.
I did some research into custom launchers, and then from there started learning about rooting, roms, kernels etc (which I'm not saying you have to do, but its an option).

I suppose the upshot of what I'm saying is that if you give it enough time, despite your reservations about it 'feeling weird', you may find yourself coming around to fully embracing Android. On the flip side, you may not.

The important thing to remember (and something that I think is one of the main reasons why people 'switching' to Android sometimes go back to iOS), is that Android is not iOS. The more you try to make Android work like iOS, the more disappointed you're going to be.

You need to learn how to make Android work like Android, tailored to you.

Best of luck :)

EDIT: Since that first experience with the S2, I've purchased an S3, and am now using an S4. I also have a Nexus 7 and Nexus 10.

scott craft
Sep 18, 2013, 06:40 PM
Why would you let other people decide whats best for YOU? Only YOU can make that decision. I have the S4 but I also have an iPod Touch and iPad mini, so I get to use both Android and iOS, and they both have their pros and cons. I suggest you read the Andatech review on the 5s where they break down how very good the A7 chip and new camera are. I'll admit I am now considering moving towards the 5s now too.

I'm also considering the 5S after reading Anandtech's review. I'll probably end up with the G2, but I want to look at the 5S.

Oohara
Sep 18, 2013, 07:15 PM
Why would you let other people decide whats best for YOU? Only YOU can make that decision. I have the S4 but I also have an iPod Touch and iPad mini, so I get to use both Android and iOS, and they both have their pros and cons. I suggest you read the Andatech review on the 5s where they break down how very good the A7 chip and new camera are. I'll admit I am now considering moving towards the 5s now too.

Chill... Nothing wrong with asking for advice.

To the OP: if you were getting a bit bored with iOS, now is the perfect time to give Android a test run.

You get to test the bigger screen, which IMO is something everyone who is on the fence should do thoroughly before deciding to stick with the entirely different ballgame which is the small screen on the iPhone.

And right now, Android is where all the action is. The New iPhones aren't substantially different from how they've been for years, whereas the S4 and other Android phones are full of stuff that'll be totally new to you, with an OS that is currently far ahead of iOS when it comes to having a dynamic set of possibilities.

Next year, things may be very different, as Apple are under pressure to present a bigger screen phone. Right now though, the iPhone is a pretty mundane deal in comparison. I just switched to Android myself after using iPhones since the 3G, and I'm happy I did. I might go back to an iPhone next year, but is certainly not going to happen as things are right now.

Technarchy
Sep 18, 2013, 07:31 PM
I'm on the fence currently, but there is a high possibility my Galaxy S4 will be sold to fund an iPhone 5S before the year is over.

I've spoken plenty about my dislikes with the S4, and how they currently outweigh the likes.

I am hoping next months 4.3 update for the galaxy gear release irons out some of the issues with the S4. I'm giving Samsung a fair chance to impress me, but so far my reaction to the S4 is really ho-hum.

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2013, 08:23 PM
So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?

OP, if iOS isn't exciting you, not much will change about the final version of iOS 7, as it seems like you already know.

Watch The Verge's review of iOS 7. It's unapologetic of iOS 7's shortcomings.

B4PcV06hz9g

KentuckyHouse
Sep 18, 2013, 09:04 PM
OP, if iOS isn't exciting you, not much will change about the final version of iOS 7, as it seems like you already know.

Watch The Verge's review of iOS 7. It's unapologetic of iOS 7's shortcomings.

YouTube: video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=B4PcV06hz9g)

Thanks for sharing that, couch. I like when reviewers don't pull punches and that was a great review.

Tikatika
Sep 18, 2013, 09:24 PM
I love my S4, more every day. Its fate was sealed as my keeper phone :) when I mistakenly installed iOS 7 on my iPad Mini today. I detest it. It may look great on the iPhone but it is just ugly on an iPad. And there is still so much it DOESN'T do.

I am now considering gifting the Mini and getting the Samsung Tab 3 8". Every day that goes by I find myself being drawn further away from iDevices.

However, I still love my iMac, a lot!.

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
Thanks for sharing that, couch. I like when reviewers don't pull punches and that was a great review.

Agreed.

The slow UI animations would drive me nuts. Among other things.

There's a thread with reported UI lag over in the iOS forum, even with the final build. As iOS gets "heavier" ever so slowly with features, I wonder if it'll throw into the spotlight Apple's frugal hardware updates (like the 1GB of RAM)...

The more I think about it and the more I get over iOS 7's new fresh coat, the less hopeful I am about iOS in the future. I don't know how I feel about it now.

And for all those iOS users who constantly talk about the all important lack of lag of iOS, should you worry?

tbayrgs
Sep 18, 2013, 10:36 PM
Agreed.

The slow UI animations would drive me nuts. Among other things.

There's a thread with reported UI lag over in the iOS forum, even with the final build. As iOS gets "heavier" ever so slowly with features, I wonder if it'll throw into the spotlight Apple's frugal hardware updates (like the 1GB of RAM)...

The more I think about it and the more I get over iOS 7's new fresh coat, the less hopeful I am about iOS in the future. I don't know how I feel about it now.

And for all those iOS users who constantly talk about the all important lack of lag of iOS, should you worry?

After updating my iPad Mini to iOS7 and using it for maybe an hour, I can verify that the Verge review is pretty spot on. I noted a handful of annoyances over in a thread in the iOS7 subforum and my initial impressions aren't improving.

- Lot of lag on my iPad Mini--apps opening to a white screen for up to 3-5 seconds, same goes when closing apps, sporadic lag when just navigating around the OS, and worst of all, lag when using the keyboard.

- Inconsistency with multitasking gestures, specifically that they don't work when using Siri.

- Spotlight search is now often unusable. It is supposed to be able to be accessed with a downward swipe within any app or home screen--go ahead and try to access it in any app that also uses a downward swipe such as Mail, the App Store, or any browser.

UPDATE: Well, seems that I misunderstood the instruction on this one (though I think it was poorly worded--app page doesn't imply home screen, at least to me) and that swipe down action only works on home screens.

Spotlight Search: Spotlight, which allows users to open apps and locate both files and information, can now be accessed by swiping downwards on any app page. Previously, it had a dedicated screen that was accessed by swiping left on the home screen.

I'm going to keep using it for a while before passing final judgement but have to say I'm feeling a bit disappointed so far.

onthecouchagain
Sep 18, 2013, 10:59 PM
After updating my iPad Mini to iOS7 and using it for maybe an hour, I can verify that the Verge review is pretty spot on. I noted a handful of annoyances over in a thread in the iOS7 subforum and my initial impressions aren't improving.

- Lot of lag on my iPad Mini--apps opening to a white screen for up to 3-5 seconds, same goes when closing apps, sporadic lag when just navigating around the OS, and worst of all, lag when using the keyboard.

- Inconsistency with multitasking gestures, specifically that they don't work when using Siri.

- Spotlight search is now often unusable. It is supposed to be able to be accessed with a downward swipe within any app or home screen--go ahead and try to access it in any app that also uses a downward swipe such as Mail, the App Store, or any browser.

I'm going to keep using it for a while before passing final judgement but have to say I'm feeling a bit disappointed so far.


Sorry to hear. Genuinely.

Once again (and this isn't directed at you, Tb) I have to ask, are people so sure specs don't matter? Should people be content with multi-year old hardware just because it happens to run its current iteration of iOS fine -- in other words, what about next year's iOS or the year after that? Is Apple's slow/frugal hardware strategy biting them in the butt in times like this when the new software is a little heavier with some more features? What happens come iOS 8 then? Is this really worth top dollar, or bragging rights to say Apple updates old generation hardware?

People really need to ask themselves and Apple these questions. I've always said it, the slow game in a fast industry hurts themselves and the customers (even if most of those customers don't ever want to admit it).

tbayrgs
Sep 18, 2013, 11:21 PM
Sorry to hear. Genuinely.

Once again (and this isn't directed at you, Tb) I have to ask, are people so sure specs don't matter? Should people be content with multi-year old hardware just because it happens to run its current iteration of iOS fine -- in other words, what about next year's iOS or the year after that? Is Apple's slow/frugal hardware strategy biting them in the butt in times like this when the new software is a little heavier with some more features? What happens come iOS 8 then? Is this really worth top dollar, or bragging rights to say Apple updates old generation hardware?

People really need to ask themselves and Apple these questions. I've always said it, the slow game in a fast industry hurts themselves and the customers (even if most of those customers don't ever want to admit it).

Yeah, I won't make any sweeping generalizations considering the Mini really is using dated hardware and it may scream along on the iP5 and iP5S but it is sad that hardware that is 9 months old is already suffering. And only one of the 3 issues I mentioned would improve with improved hardware.

I was looking forward to a high resolution iPad Mini but after becoming accustomed to the benefits afforded by Android and now that we are seeing much more capable Android tablets on the market (Nexus 7, upcoming Note 10.1, LG G Pad 8.3, amongst others), the luster of the iPad is wearing off for me. I'm giving the Nexus 7 another try (LTE model) and the small updates Google pushed out seem to have improved the touch responsiveness. Surprisedly, I'm most excited to try the Note 10.1--surprised because I generally don't like Samsung's design (hardware or software) but the features they've added are really compelling to me.

Alright, enough of me dragging the thread off on a tangent...

daveathall
Sep 19, 2013, 01:52 AM
My first reaction is to keep my S4, I have an iPad mini and will get the benefit of iOS 7 so can get a feel for the new OS.

mjb1975
Sep 19, 2013, 02:22 AM
My iPad mini is running iOS 7 just fine, not sure what some others are complaining about. It "lags" about as much as any Android phone Ive had including my S4, which isnt really lag at all. One great thing about Apple is that its the same build of the OS on one device from one manufacturer and they can address fixes rather quickly. Unlike Android where if you had issues, Google would blame the manufacturer (HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola etc..) and then the manufacturer would blame your carrier and your carrier would blame them both and you were stuck with bugs for sometimes months.Early adopters are always going to get bugs, wait for 7.1 if minor things annoy you.

clientsiman
Sep 19, 2013, 02:57 AM
You know better but I think it's better keep your Galaxy S4. The way I see it, iOS is for kids and grandpas .

Install a custom rom if you ever get bored with your phone.

Dmaynard83
Sep 19, 2013, 03:13 AM
You know better but I think it's better keep your Galaxy S4. The way I see it, iOS is for kids and grandpas .

Install a custom rom if you ever get bored with your phone.

I feel like when I was on my s4 I was trying to get the aosp pure google vanilla experience where everything was smooth. After looking at the nexus 4 I saw that even my old iPhone 4S was smoother.

I understand there is a customization aspect, and there are other features that will be missed on android. But I think some people just want a smooth, fast device without useless features that will never be used.

Oohara
Sep 19, 2013, 08:16 AM
Agreed.

The slow UI animations would drive me nuts. Among other things.

There's a thread with reported UI lag over in the iOS forum, even with the final build. As iOS gets "heavier" ever so slowly with features, I wonder if it'll throw into the spotlight Apple's frugal hardware updates (like the 1GB of RAM)...

The more I think about it and the more I get over iOS 7's new fresh coat, the less hopeful I am about iOS in the future. I don't know how I feel about it now.

And for all those iOS users who constantly talk about the all important lack of lag of iOS, should you worry?

I played around with iOS 7 for a while on an iPhone 5 and it killed whatever urge I had actually start to feel for a 5s.

The UI animations are just obnoxious. I recently realized I could turn them off completely on my Note 2 and this enhanced my user experience markedly, I absolutely love tapping an icon and having the app just be there immediately, almost like it had appeared at the mere thought of opening it. After that, the iOS 7 animations felt like such a step back.

Overall the OS feels just to crammed together and messy. In particular Control Center, where it is also immensely frustrating that you can't customize its contents. And I found myself failing to close it several times too, as if the touch area of the "handle" was just too small.

And skeumorphism still lingers in places. The Reminders app for example has this structured fake paper background which really feels off. Actually I was quite surprised at the state of the OS as a whole. What I've disliked most about Android since getting my Note 2 is that Touchwiz + Nova gets a bit contradictory and untight at times, and I have been missing the seamlessness of iOS's UI design - but now it is simply not very seamless anymore.

After testing iOS 7, whatever irritation I felt towards Android now feels less significant. With the current state of iOS, a new iPhone would simply not be an alternative for me. Hopefully they will improve it in the future.

Oh, and a last thing. Ironically, I think iOS 7 would be much better on a larger screen, as the main impression I have after testing it is that it was just too crammed together on the iPhone...

onthecouchagain
Sep 19, 2013, 08:54 AM
The UI animations are just obnoxious.

I keep reading about the terrible UI animations. Can you elaborate what they are exactly besides apps launching slowly? I'm very curious.

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I played around with iOS 7 for a while on an iPhone 5 and it killed whatever urge I had actually start to feel for a 5s.

The UI animations are just obnoxious. I recently realized I could turn them off completely on my Note 2 and this enhanced my user experience markedly, I absolutely love tapping an icon and having the app just be there immediately, almost like it had appeared at the mere thought of opening it. After that, the iOS 7 animations felt like such a step back.

Overall the OS feels just to crammed together and messy. In particular Control Center, where it is also immensely frustrating that you can't customize its contents. And I found myself failing to close it several times too, as if the touch area of the "handle" was just too small.

And skeumorphism still lingers in places. The Reminders app for example has this structured fake paper background which really feels off. Actually I was quite surprised at the state of the OS as a whole. What I've disliked most about Android since getting my Note 2 is that Touchwiz + Nova gets a bit contradictory and untight at times, and I have been missing the seamlessness of iOS's UI design - but now it is simply not very seamless anymore.

After testing iOS 7, whatever irritation I felt towards Android now feels less significant. With the current state of iOS, a new iPhone would simply not be an alternative for me. Hopefully they will improve it in the future.

Oh, and a last thing. Ironically, I think iOS 7 would be much better on a larger screen, as the main impression I have after testing it is that it was just too crammed together on the iPhone...

Really interesting stuff.

I guess now that the coat of paint is wearing off, people are discovering that it's still just iOS, limitations and all -- and possibly worse...

Technarchy
Sep 19, 2013, 09:02 AM
I'll be getting a SIM for my iPhone 5 and will be using it as my daily driver for a few weeks and giving my GS4 a rest.

24 hours is not enough time with iOS 7 to have a fully formed opinion, so I want to live with it daily and see what is all in there.

Oohara
Sep 19, 2013, 09:37 AM
I keep reading about the terrible UI animations. Can you elaborate what they are exactly besides apps launching slowly? I'm very curious.

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Really interesting stuff.

I guess now that the coat of paint is wearing off, people are discovering that it's still just iOS, limitations and all -- and possibly worse...

Well, going from the homescreen to an app and back again is the worst case with the animations, this alone begins to feel too much very quickly. Then you have this side "swoosh" in the settings, and the mimicking-real-physics motions in the multitasking interface - they're not really "wrong" as such, just too slow. I felt like the whole UI was working against me, that I had to push and prod it to get to where I wanted. Frustrating.

There's a good run through of most of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4ROpIognDiY#t=52

Also it has to do with the impact on the eyes that all this animation has - in conjunction with all the other clutter. The crammed together Command Center and the general appearance of these quite stark new icons for instance. Perhaps if the graphical qualities of the UI in general were just a tad less "much" AND the animations were faster, it'd be a lot better.

But, then there's also this kind of general lack of balance in the design. The calendar for instance, which I think is beautiful at first glance, but when you begin to put it to use, it also starts feeling a bit...much. Which in turn clashes with the design of the Reminders app. And then the step back in terms of "obvious" navigation, where clickable/moveable words have replaced symbols (like the swipe to unlock, on the lock screen).

It's all these things together. It just doesn't feel really consistent, not really confident - which is so unlike Apple. And there's just too much emphasis on style. One particular style as well, this kind of 80's inspired color set along with the stark, minimalist elements, which to me doesn't pack the same "general" appeal as the iOS 6 design language did (aside from the overly skeumorphic stuff).

My guess is this will all get much better within 6 months or so, with faster animations and revamped Reminders app etc. But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward. And the real stuff we want them to open their eyes to - like customization of the Command Center - will probably not happen at all. - And all this while Google keeps getting their stuff more and more right with every release. I just feel like with iOS 7, Apple kind of tripped on their own shoelaces a bit while trying to catch up to Android, when they could have taken a scary big leap forward.

Not to worry though, the fingerprint reader and a Champagne color will keep the hipster crowd busy while Apple tends to repairs and keeps thinking about how to begin really innovating again. :D

What could get really interesting of course is if they find more uses for this motion processor, and iBeacon - the "inner" workings of iOS 7 that we aren't seeing nearly the full application of yet. But on the UI side of things... Like I said, I'm happier than ever to be using an Android phone, and more willing than ever to forgive its shortcomings. Because iOS 7 has far more of those.

onthecouchagain
Sep 19, 2013, 09:41 AM
Well, going from the homescreen to an app and back again is the worst case with the animations, this alone begins to feel too much very quickly. Then you have this side "swoosh" in the settings, and the mimicking-real-physics motions in the multitasking interface - they're not really "wrong" as such, just too slow. I felt like the whole UI was working against me, that I had to push and prod it to get to where I wanted. Frustrating.

There's a good run through of most of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4ROpIognDiY#t=52

Also it has to do with the impact on the eyes that all this animation has - in conjunction with all the other clutter. The crammed together Command Center and the general appearance of these quite stark new icons for instance. Perhaps if the graphical qualities of the UI in general were just a tad less "much" AND the animations were faster, it'd be a lot better.

But, then there's also this kind of general lack of balance in the design. The calendar for instance, which I think is beautiful at first glance, but when you begin to put it to use, it also starts feeling a bit...much. Which in turn clashes with the design of the Reminders app. And then the step back in terms of "obvious" navigation, where clickable/moveable words have replaced symbols (like the swipe to unlock, on the lock screen).

It's all these things together. It just doesn't feel really consistent, not really confident - which is so unlike Apple. And there's just too much emphasis on style. One particular style as well, this kind of 80's inspired color set along with the stark, minimalist elements, which to me doesn't pack the same "general" appeal as the iOS 6 design language did (aside from the overly skeumorphic stuff).

My guess is this will all get much better within 6 months or so, with faster animations and revamped Reminders app etc. But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward. And the real stuff we want them to open their eyes to - like customization of the Command Center - will probably not happen at all. - And all this while Google keeps getting their stuff more and more right with every release. I just feel like with iOS 7, Apple kind of tripped on their own shoelaces a bit while trying to catch up to Android, when they could have taken a scary big leap forward.

Not to worry though, the fingerprint reader and a Champagne color will keep the hipster crowd busy while Apple tends to repairs and keeps thinking about how to begin really innovating again. :D

What could get really interesting of course is if they find more uses for this motion processor, and iBeacon - the "inner" workings of iOS 7 that we aren't seeing nearly the full application of yet. But on the UI side of things... Like I said, I'm happier than ever to be using an Android phone, and more willing than ever to forgive its shortcomings. Because iOS 7 has far more of those.

Really insightful. Thanks for sharing.

BoxerGT2.5
Sep 19, 2013, 09:43 AM
This is where having developer options on Android gives the user the ability to make their phone work they way THEY want it to. Want to speed up animations or shut them off, have at it. Feel 1.0X is good, leave it alone.

I updated my ipad to iOS7 and I'm sorry I did. It's like a pastel turd was laid on my iPad. It's flat, cartoonish, aimed at a 14yr old girl. It makes Touchwiz look mature.

chagla
Sep 19, 2013, 09:49 AM
So I had an Iphone 5 with Verizon up until Saturday evening. My fiancee and I decided to get on her plan, so we can save money for our wedding. I got on her unlimited plan with Sprint and decided to try the Galaxy S4. They told me that I could try it out, and if I decided to go back to the Iphone, that I could switch it out for the 5s and they would waive the re-stocking fee.

I am really loving the Galaxy S4. I love the splitscreen multitasking, the gorgeous 5" screen, and the customization. For some reason though it just feels weird to me not having an Iphone, because I have always been a pro Apple kind of guy. I had the IOS 7 beta on my Iphone 5, and I was just growing bored of the simplicity and wanted to try something new. I still loved my Iphone 5 though. I have to make my decision within the next week and a half. What do you guys think?

i fully agree with post # 5.

I would say keep S4. AV remote function is quite handy. you can use it like a portable mini computer. Plug in to any computer and transfer any files (kind of like USB drive without any special software) and then manage them using a file explorer on your phone.

you can basically change everything on Android to make it really personal and your own.

onthecouchagain
Sep 19, 2013, 09:50 AM
It makes Touchwiz look mature.

Wow. That's really saying something.

Oohara
Sep 19, 2013, 09:57 AM
This is where having developer options on Android gives the user the ability to make their phone work they way THEY want it to. Want to speed up animations or shut them off, have at it. Feel 1.0X is good, leave it alone.

Yes. Even if they didn't want to give us access to the file system or let us choose our own default apps, they could grant the user at least this. Don't like the animation speed? Here, adjust it yourself. So easy.


I updated my ipad to iOS7 and I'm sorry I did. It's like a pastel turd was laid on my iPad. It's flat, cartoonish, aimed at a 14yr old girl. It makes Touchwiz look mature.

LOL. While I agree that iOS 7 is the more childish looking of the two, this is hardly a valid argument against it...given that Touchwiz looks like it was designed by a 60-year old accountant (and a blind one at that) rather than a designer :D

onthecouchagain
Sep 19, 2013, 09:59 AM
It's also interesting to read how everyone now hates skeuomorphism. Where was this hate for it when it was all skeuomorphism for X number of years? In those years, I heard nothing but praise for iOS' polish, well designed, awesome looking stock apps, etc. etc.

Really interesting to watch yet another transformation.

tbayrgs
Sep 19, 2013, 10:00 AM
It makes Touchwiz look mature.

Wow. That's really saying something.

To each their own. I'm still not certain what I think of iOS7's design style but, IMO, it's still a ways off from being as bad as TouchWiz.

onthecouchagain
Sep 19, 2013, 10:03 AM
To each their own. I'm still not certain what I think of iOS7's design style but, IMO, it's still a ways off from being as bad as TouchWiz.

I actually like all the transparency of iOS 7. But some of those icons not only are ugly, some just don't really make sense. What's with the bubbles for Game Center, for example? And the Settings icon... that thing just looks bizarre! Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?

http://applenapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios6_ios7_home_screens.jpg

Oohara
Sep 19, 2013, 10:15 AM
To each their own. I'm still not certain what I think of iOS7's design style but, IMO, it's still a ways off from being as bad as TouchWiz.

Yeah, seriously. Let's not forget what we're actually talking about here:

http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nexusae0_touchwiz2.png

And the worst thing is - I don't know how up to date this picture is, but it doesn't even matter. Absolutely nothing of significance is happening with Touchwiz's appearance (apart from the stuff directly related to the new/updated Note functions).

Razeus
Sep 19, 2013, 10:33 AM
I actually like all the transparency of iOS 7. But some of those icons not only are ugly, some just don't really make sense. What's with the bubbles for Game Center, for example? And the Settings icon... that thing just looks bizarre! Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?

Image (http://applenapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ios6_ios7_home_screens.jpg)

The icon inconsistency is ridiculous. If I got to my S4 and look at Google's own icons, they are consistent. If I got to the Yahoo homepage, their icons are consistent. I'll even throw Microsoft into that mix. Apple has to work on those icons.

bilawal
Sep 20, 2013, 12:32 AM
OP, since you say you're bored with iOS, I'd also agree with keeping the S4 (mostly because you can really customize and have fun with Android). iOS really is WYSIWYG :p

Anyone else who is in this dilemma between the 5S and S4 should definitely consider the HTC One as a worthy contender. Apple-esque design as well. This video summarizes all 3 phones pretty well and highlights key differences/similaries: http://youtu.be/YaeaKO5NfrE. Thought i'd share it with you guys.

The-Real-Deal82
Sep 20, 2013, 02:35 AM
Also not a fan of the weird white box around Safari. Why not go all blue, like say the stock app (which is probably the nicest looking one)?
I've never understood why the Safari app is a compass? Is it because you use it to look for something and that is the semantic Apple have chosen? Strange, I would pick something web related. Very happy overall with the look and feel of iOS 7 though.

onthecouchagain
Sep 20, 2013, 08:14 AM
I've never understood why the Safari app is a compass? Is it because you use it to look for something and that is the semantic Apple have chosen? Strange, I would pick something web related. Very happy overall with the look and feel of iOS 7 though.

I don't mind the compass, but just don't get the white borders.

APhillyApple
Sep 20, 2013, 02:11 PM
Get an iPhone 5s just a superior device all around.

onthecouchagain
Sep 20, 2013, 03:09 PM
Yeah, seriously. Let's not forget what we're actually talking about here:

Image (http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/nexusae0_touchwiz2.png)

And the worst thing is - I don't know how up to date this picture is, but it doesn't even matter. Absolutely nothing of significance is happening with Touchwiz's appearance (apart from the stuff directly related to the new/updated Note functions).

The difference being that nearly everything in that screen cap can be changed.

JH-
Sep 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
The difference being that nearly everything in that screen cap can be changed.

I agree that everything there can be changed, however, how many users outside of these forums actively want to mess with their phones?

onthecouchagain
Sep 20, 2013, 04:38 PM
I agree that everything there can be changed, however, how many users outside of these forums actively want to mess with their phones?

I don't know but isnt that irrelevant? My point is that the difference between people finding iOS icons ugly versus people finding touch wiz icons ugly is that only one of them can actually do something about it. Whether people choose to or not is neither here nor there.

JH-
Sep 20, 2013, 07:55 PM
I don't know but isnt that irrelevant? My point is that the difference between people finding iOS icons ugly versus people finding touch wiz icons ugly is that only one of them can actually do something about it. Whether people choose to or not is neither here nor there.

I agree. All I'm saying is people could possibly be turned off by how ugly touchwiz appears and never discover they can change it. Some users aren't as tech savvy and this could limit Samsung's market.

onthecouchagain
Sep 20, 2013, 08:01 PM
I agree. All I'm saying is people could possibly be turned off by how ugly touchwiz appears and never discover they can change it. Some users aren't as tech savvy and this could limit Samsung's market.

Ah, I understand. True that.

Jacoblee23
Sep 21, 2013, 03:36 PM
I ended up returning the S4 and buying a space gray iPhone 5s. I have so much invested in the apple system between my iPad mini and and iPhone, that it makes the most sense. Loving my 5s! Thank you for your suggestions.

spinedoc77
Sep 21, 2013, 06:44 PM
But they will be wasting time on correcting things, instead of using that time to move forward.

Apple already wasted a year polishing this turd instead of truly re-imagining iOS. It pisses me off all that time, effort and talent wasted on what is basically just a skin and the control panel.