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onthecouchagain
Sep 22, 2013, 09:40 PM
I'm looking to buy a new TV and know very little about it. Does your smartphone influence what TV you get?

Like, Samsung phones do things with Samsung TVs? I'm most likely looking at a Samsung or LG TV.

My Bravia just died on me after a few years, so no more Sony for me.



Fanaticalism
Sep 22, 2013, 09:49 PM
I'm looking to buy a new TV and know very little about it. Does your smartphone influence what TV you get?

Like, Samsung phones do things with Samsung TVs? I'm most likely looking at a Samsung or LG TV.

My Bravia just died on me after a few years, so no more Sony for me.

Do not let anything affect your tv purchasing decision other than objective performance.

Go over to AVSForum.com and look through the plasma and lcd sub-forums.

ChrisTX
Sep 22, 2013, 09:54 PM
I purchased a Samsung 3D LED TV a few years back, but will probably be upgrading to 4K within time. But my smartphone purchases have nothing to do with my TV purchases. I used to control my Samsung with my iPhone all of the time.

onthecouchagain
Sep 22, 2013, 10:14 PM
Good advice, guys.

I realize I don't know squat about TVs...

kdarling
Sep 22, 2013, 11:04 PM
I just went through this myself. Got a new entertainment center and wanted to upgrade the TV.

A smart TV was top on my list, so my wife could use it for looking at the kids' Facebook and photo uploads, and my daughter could use it for videos and games.

I almost bought a Samsung smart TV because (1) it could do things with my smartphone, (2) it was a deal on Amazon, and (3) I liked the idea of perhaps writing an app for it myself.

However, after reading reviews, it became apparent that the LG smart TV was viewed as easier to use. Unfortunately, it was missing some apps that I wanted for my wife to use.

In the end, I decided to keep the smart part and the TV separate, so that I could easily upgrade either piece. So I started with a Roku box for the smart part (it has Netflix, Amazon Instant, Facebook and Flickr and a great search facility)... and an inexpensive refurb'd Westinghouse for the TV part. Lot cheaper, too.

I wish I knew more about XBMC.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 12:01 AM
I just went through this myself. Got a new entertainment center and wanted to upgrade the TV.

A smart TV was top on my list, so my wife could use it for looking at the kids' Facebook and photo uploads, and my daughter could use it for videos and games.

I almost bought a Samsung smart TV because (1) it could do things with my smartphone, (2) it was a deal on Amazon, and (3) I liked the idea of perhaps writing an app for it myself.

However, after reading reviews, it became apparent that the LG smart TV was viewed as easier to use. Unfortunately, it was missing some apps that I wanted for my wife to use.

In the end, I decided to keep the smart part and the TV separate, so that I could easily upgrade either piece. So I started with a Roku box for the smart part (it has Netflix, Amazon Instant, Facebook and Flickr and a great search facility)... and an inexpensive refurb'd Westinghouse for the TV part. Lot cheaper, too.

I wish I knew more about XBMC.

Interesting stuff.

I'm also considering the Smart TV route. Samsung is also at the top of my list, but for a much better value, I could go Panasonic or LG and get larger screens! But my understanding is that Samsung's Smart TV-ness is superior, and they have exclusivity on apps like HBO Go. Damn them.

I'm not sure what to do, to be honest. More research is required.

I worry about longevity, too. I have no idea why my Sony Bravia crapped out on me and only after a few years of use (I'd say... maybe 4-5 years?). I worry about long term quality between Panasonic, Samsung, and LG. My understanding is LG is the most risky...

Sylon
Sep 23, 2013, 04:02 AM
When deciding on a TV, pick one with a picture that looks best to you, because that is what you'll be staring at from now on. I based mine on which had the best picture to me. Let the Smart stuff be second. They are great and all, but can be supplemented by additional devices like the Apple TV, Chromecast, etc.

That being said, I have a Samsung Smart 3D TV because I thought the picture was superior to those other TVs around it for the price I could afford. The smart stuff is nice but I barely use it. All my devices connected to it area capable of doing everything the TV can, and for the most part, do it better than the TV can. The only real thing I used with my Smart TV was its internet connection, as it allowed me to control it with my iPhone. However, since getting my GS4, I haven't needed its internet connection.


But to answer the original question, no. My TV purchases have nothing to do with my cell phone purchases.

mattopotamus
Sep 23, 2013, 06:31 AM
When deciding on a TV, pick one with a picture that looks best to you, because that is what you'll be staring at from now on. I based mine on which had the best picture to me. Let the Smart stuff be second. They are great and all, but can be supplemented by additional devices like the Apple TV, Chromecast, etc.

That being said, I have a Samsung Smart 3D TV because I thought the picture was superior to those other TVs around it for the price I could afford. The smart stuff is nice but I barely use it. All my devices connected to it area capable of doing everything the TV can, and for the most part, do it better than the TV can. The only real thing I used with my Smart TV was its internet connection, as it allowed me to control it with my iPhone. However, since getting my GS4, I haven't needed its internet connection.


But to answer the original question, no. My TV purchases have nothing to do with my cell phone purchases.

Never go by the image you see in store. They hook expensive Tvs up with HDMI and cheaper tvs up sometimes using composite cables. Do your research. Plasma's still have the best picture and you will see that if you do your homework.

Your smart phone will have little impact on the TV....realistically most people use a cable box and that is what your phone would interact with anyways.

The-Real-Deal82
Sep 23, 2013, 06:37 AM
I'm looking to buy a new TV and know very little about it. Does your smartphone influence what TV you get?

Like, Samsung phones do things with Samsung TVs? I'm most likely looking at a Samsung or LG TV.

My Bravia just died on me after a few years, so no more Sony for me.
They are two different objects so not sure why either would influence the other? I own three Samsung TV's, I have a Sony Playstation, two Dell laptops, and an Apple iPhone. There is no pattern in my house.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 07:00 AM
They are two different objects so not sure why either would influence the other? I own three Samsung TV's, I have a Sony Playstation, two Dell laptops, and an Apple iPhone. There is no pattern in my house.

I was asking feature-wise, not brand-wise.

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Never go by the image you see in store. They hook expensive Tvs up with HDMI and cheaper tvs up sometimes using composite cables. Do your research. Plasma's still have the best picture and you will see that if you do your homework.

Your smart phone will have little impact on the TV....realistically most people use a cable box and that is what your phone would interact with anyways.

Plasma really that much better over LED LCD?

mattopotamus
Sep 23, 2013, 07:06 AM
I was asking feature-wise, not brand-wise.

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Plasma really that much better over LED LCD?

LCD is very "grainy" and a lot of LEDs suffer from a soap opera effect. The only LED I would consider is a Samsung. Panasonic has the best plasmas.

adder7712
Sep 23, 2013, 07:09 AM
Not at all. Bought a Samsung Smart TV only (without knowing beforehand) to realise I can easily stream content to it from my S III.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 08:07 AM
LCD is very "grainy" and a lot of LEDs suffer from a soap opera effect. The only LED I would consider is a Samsung. Panasonic has the best plasmas.

I don't see a lot of plasma smart TVs. Why is this?

mattopotamus
Sep 23, 2013, 08:27 AM
I don't see a lot of plasma smart TVs. Why is this?

Best buy has some good ones and they will price match amazon fulfilled prices. Plasmas are not as popular

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 23, 2013, 08:28 AM
I'm looking to buy a new TV and know very little about it. Does your smartphone influence what TV you get?

Like, Samsung phones do things with Samsung TVs? I'm most likely looking at a Samsung or LG TV.

My Bravia just died on me after a few years, so no more Sony for me.


I'm also thinking about a Samsung Smart TV for my room. It would go well with my S4 or if I decide to get the Note 3. Being that said, IMO nothing beats the picture quality of Sony Bravia. But that doesn't take away the great quality of Samsung and other brand TVs. Samsung does have the best Smart TVs. I'm still waiting for the mythical Apple TV to be announced.

tbayrgs
Sep 23, 2013, 08:35 AM
I don't see a lot of plasma smart TVs. Why is this?

You don't see a lot of plasmas at all and it's a shame because the picture quality is generally better vs. LCDs, especially for fast moving video. I'd guess aesthetics has a lot to do with it--can't make them as thin as these new LED LCDs, they use more power and also give off a bit more heat.

I have a 50" plasma in my family room (maybe 4 yrs old) and the picture quality is top notch.

My $0.02--Panasonic makes some of the best TVs, plasma or LCD (also own a Panasonic LCD TV in the bedroom) and if I was buying again, I'd look at them first, then Samsung. I'd also not worry about the SMART functionality as you can add it through any number of devices (Roku and Apple TV are the best). Two of our TVs have SMART functionality and I've only used it on either a few times to use Amazon Instant streaming as it wasn't available on the Apple TV--with AirPlay support on the Amazon streaming app, don't need it any longer. And in both cases the UI are a bit clunky and laggy.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 08:48 AM
Great advice all around in an unconventional thread for this forum. Thanks everyone. Really insightful.

I've narrowed it down to these three:


40 inch Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46F6300-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BCGRTFK/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

42 inch LG (maybe the 47 inch since it's only about 50 bucks more): http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-47LN5700-47-Inch-LED-LCD/dp/B00BB9ORS0/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1379897104&sr=8-16&keywords=smart+tv

And my top choice:

42 inch Panasonic:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L42E60-42-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BB5ZQAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379943885&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+E60

But will definitely stop into a Best Buy or something first to see them all first hand.

tbayrgs
Sep 23, 2013, 08:57 AM
Great advice all around in an unconventional thread for this forum. Thanks everyone. Really insightful.

I've narrowed it down to these three:


40 inch Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46F6300-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BCGRTFK/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

42 inch LG (maybe the 47 inch since it's only about 50 bucks more): http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-47LN5700-47-Inch-LED-LCD/dp/B00BB9ORS0/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1379897104&sr=8-16&keywords=smart+tv

And my top choice:

42 inch Panasonic:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L42E60-42-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BB5ZQAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379943885&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+E60

But will definitely stop into a Best Buy or something first to see them all first hand.

I have that Panasonic's 3D sibling (http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L42ET5-42-Inch-LED-LCD-Polarized/dp/B00752RABS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379944458&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+tc-l42et5). Didn't care about the 3D element, just got a great deal earlier this year. Very happy with the picture quality. Also, the Panasonic Viera control app works fine if you'd like to use your phone as a remote.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 23, 2013, 09:04 AM
You don't see a lot of plasmas at all and it's a shame because the picture quality is generally better vs. LCDs, especially for fast moving video. I'd guess aesthetics has a lot to do with it--can't make them as thin as these new LED LCDs, they use more power and also give off a bit more heat.

I have a 50" plasma in my family room (maybe 4 yrs old) and the picture quality is top notch.

My $0.02--Panasonic makes some of the best TVs, plasma or LCD (also own a Panasonic LCD TV in the bedroom) and if I was buying again, I'd look at them first, then Samsung. I'd also not worry about the SMART functionality as you can add it through any number of devices (Roku and Apple TV are the best). Two of our TVs have SMART functionality and I've only used it on either a few times to use Amazon Instant streaming as it wasn't available on the Apple TV--with AirPlay support on the Amazon streaming app, don't need it any longer. And in both cases the UI are a bit clunky and laggy.

I also have a 50" Samsung plasma. Don't know how old it is, I traded my S3 phone for it. It's probably at least 5yrs old. It's a 720p and the picture quality is very good. I do experience sone burn in, but never anything permanent and goes away quickly. Plasmas definitely have a deeper and richer picture than LCD or LED.

SmartTVs are the future of the norm. I will not be buying any seperate devices when I can just have it already integrated on a SmartTV. I don't have a SmartTV yet, but I constantly play with my friends and family's SmartTVs. IMO Samsung and Vizio SmartTVs have pretty good software/OS. The apps run mostly flawless and lag free.

They just need to focus on setting things up more user friendly. When settings things up for my family and friends, most of the time I had to input wireless settings manually down to selecting the type of password encryption. Most SmartTVs fail if you try the easy setup and wirless is on aes encryption. Also some of the remotes are not user friendly. It even baffles me for a couple of minutes. Then you have some TVs(Smart and Dumb) which confuses people when it decides to control other devices like blueray, cable box, and etc: via hdmi cable.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 09:13 AM
How come some Panasonics say "Built in Wireless LAN" instead of WiFi? Is that the same as ones labeled "Built in Wi-Fi"?

There's a lot of mix-and-matching with the feature list and it gets confusing because some will also say "VIERA Connect with Built-In Wi-Fi" for the ones that list "Build in Wireless LAN".

Example:

http://i.imgur.com/epnT8mB.png

But for the E60 model, it'll still say in the description:

http://i.imgur.com/HG5T6oE.png


What? :confused:

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I also have a 50" Samsung plasma. Don't know how old it is, I traded my S3 phone for it. It's probably at least 5yrs old. It's a 720p and the picture quality is very good. I do experience sone burn in, but never anything permanent and goes away quickly. Plasmas definitely have a deeper and richer picture than LCD or LED.

SmartTVs are the future of the norm. I will not be buying any seperate devices when I can just have it already integrated on a SmartTV. I don't have a SmartTV yet, but I constantly play with my friends and family's SmartTVs. IMO Samsung and Vizio SmartTVs have pretty good software/OS. The apps run mostly flawless and lag free.

They just need to focus on setting things up more user friendly. When settings things up for my family and friends, most of the time I had to input wireless settings manually down to selecting the type of password encryption. Most SmartTVs fail if you try the easy setup and wirless is on aes encryption. Also some of the remotes are not user friendly. It even baffles me for a couple of minutes. Then you have some TVs(Smart and Dumb) which confuses people when it decides to control other devices like blueray, cable box, and etc: via hdmi cable.

I've looked at Vizio as well and they offer some impressive value. But I worry about their quality long term?

streetfoldsfive
Sep 23, 2013, 09:16 AM
You may have already received all the advice you need. However, I will add some input anyway. I don't to an extreme amount about TV's but, I would not allow your smartphone to determine your choice. The connection between a Galaxy and Samsung Tv is kind of gimmicky. Also a little off topic but if you were considering a smart TV. In my opinion they are a waste when you could just get an apple TV or Chromecast. Good Luck!

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 23, 2013, 09:27 AM
I've looked at Vizio as well and they offer some impressive value. But I worry about their quality long term?

Vizio makes reliable and good quality higher end TVs, but their lower end TVs are complete garbage. Source: I used to be a cable tech, so I seen it all.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 09:56 AM
Vizio makes reliable and good quality higher end TVs, but their lower end TVs are complete garbage. Source: I used to be a cable tech, so I seen it all.

How high end would one have to go?

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You may have already received all the advice you need. However, I will add some input anyway. I don't to an extreme amount about TV's but, I would not allow your smartphone to determine your choice. The connection between a Galaxy and Samsung Tv is kind of gimmicky. Also a little off topic but if you were considering a smart TV. In my opinion they are a waste when you could just get an apple TV or Chromecast. Good Luck!

All advice -- little or big, new or old -- is appreciated. Thanks.

tbayrgs
Sep 23, 2013, 10:16 AM
I also have a 50" Samsung plasma. Don't know how old it is, I traded my S3 phone for it. It's probably at least 5yrs old. It's a 720p and the picture quality is very good. I do experience sone burn in, but never anything permanent and goes away quickly. Plasmas definitely have a deeper and richer picture than LCD or LED.

SmartTVs are the future of the norm. I will not be buying any seperate devices when I can just have it already integrated on a SmartTV. I don't have a SmartTV yet, but I constantly play with my friends and family's SmartTVs. IMO Samsung and Vizio SmartTVs have pretty good software/OS. The apps run mostly flawless and lag free.

They just need to focus on setting things up more user friendly. When settings things up for my family and friends, most of the time I had to input wireless settings manually down to selecting the type of password encryption. Most SmartTVs fail if you try the easy setup and wirless is on aes encryption. Also some of the remotes are not user friendly. It even baffles me for a couple of minutes. Then you have some TVs(Smart and Dumb) which confuses people when it decides to control other devices like blueray, cable box, and etc: via hdmi cable.

I can appreciate wanting to have your Smart functionality already integrated. The problem I have is the inconsistency in both UI and performance. Unless you buy/replace all of your TVs simultaneously, you're not going to have the same functionality in all of your TVs. We have 4 TVs from 3 different manufacturers, only 2 of which have Smart functionality built in but from 2 different manufacturers. The UI on each TV is completely different, as is the Smart functionality. IMO, it's much easier to just hook up a 'smart box' (Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast, etc) and have the same user experience on every TV. This is especially beneficial when you have a wife and young kids. ;):D

I'm hoping to have my TVs for quite a while--great Smart features now likely won't be so impressive in 5-7 years. And if you think manufacturers offer lackluster support updating the OS on their Android phones, they have nothing on manufacturers offering updates to TV firmware. ;) It's much easier just replacing the Apple TV than it is the TV itself to get the latest Smart functionality.

Cnasty
Sep 23, 2013, 11:55 AM
I recently cut the cord on cable and made a big decision in which TV to buy.

For me my top priorities:

Quality for HD:sports,movies, etc
Smart Apps:HBOGO, Amazon,Netflix,etc
Functionality for other devices: AppleTV,Internal Wifi

I have been a true Samsung TV buyer for years but opened my horizons to other during my search but still came back to a Samsung LED as they do it best imo.

I stream XBMC to AppleTV through Airplay and it works flawlessly and even get HD on some apps on XBMC.

The HD quality is great through my Mohu antenna and even better HD quality as its uncompressed from when I had DirecTV.

AVS forum is a great place to get honest reviews and tech info. I honestly would say dont bother with the Best Buy displays as they jack up all the settings but go to get an idea of size and depth of the screen. I was lucky as my friends had different TVs and used their brands as examples.

I wish ya luck as this is a big purchase for a man. :D

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 23, 2013, 12:03 PM
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Just the norm specs that compete. A tale tell sign of crap is a lack of any real settings, meaning only the basic minimal settings.

I can appreciate wanting to have your Smart functionality already integrated. The problem I have is the inconsistency in both UI and performance. Unless you buy/replace all of your TVs simultaneously, you're not going to have the same functionality in all of your TVs. We have 4 TVs from 3 different manufacturers, only 2 of which have Smart functionality built in but from 2 different manufacturers. The UI on each TV is completely different, as is the Smart functionality. IMO, it's much easier to just hook up a 'smart box' (Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast, etc) and have the same user experience on every TV. This is especially beneficial when you have a wife and young kids. ;):D

I'm hoping to have my TVs for quite a while--great Smart features now likely won't be so impressive in 5-7 years. And if you think manufacturers offer lackluster support updating the OS on their Android phones, they have nothing on manufacturers offering updates to TV firmware. ;) It's much easier just replacing the Apple TV than it is the TV itself to get the latest Smart functionality.

That makes sense. I myself don't really use anything that I wouldn't have to sign into, so dealing with differ interfaces doesn't mean much for me when Netflix, Youtube, and most other apps are basically the same across platforms. I can stop Netflix on my Xbox 360 and resume right where I left off on my blueray player Netflix app. I plan on getting another TV soon and rather apps be integrated instead of having to buy another device or move my existing devices back n forth. As my Xbox and bluray is not small like a roku or AppleTV to keep moving. I can understand for those who already have these small devices or a device for each TV already.

mattopotamus
Sep 23, 2013, 01:16 PM
How come some Panasonics say "Built in Wireless LAN" instead of WiFi? Is that the same as ones labeled "Built in Wi-Fi"?

There's a lot of mix-and-matching with the feature list and it gets confusing because some will also say "VIERA Connect with Built-In Wi-Fi" for the ones that list "Build in Wireless LAN".

Example:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/epnT8mB.png)

But for the E60 model, it'll still say in the description:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/HG5T6oE.png)


What? :confused:[COLOR="#808080"]



B.c built in LAN means it has an Ethernet port. Built in wifi means it supports wifi with no need for an adapter or hardwire.

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I recently cut the cord on cable and made a big decision in which TV to buy.

For me my top priorities:

Quality for HD:sports,movies, etc
Smart Apps:HBOGO, Amazon,Netflix,etc
Functionality for other devices: AppleTV,Internal Wifi

I have been a true Samsung TV buyer for years but opened my horizons to other during my search but still came back to a Samsung LED as they do it best imo.

I stream XBMC to AppleTV through Airplay and it works flawlessly and even get HD on some apps on XBMC.

The HD quality is great through my Mohu antenna and even better HD quality as its uncompressed from when I had DirecTV.

AVS forum is a great place to get honest reviews and tech info. I honestly would say dont bother with the Best Buy displays as they jack up all the settings but go to get an idea of size and depth of the screen. I was lucky as my friends had different TVs and used their brands as examples.

I wish ya luck as this is a big purchase for a man. :D

I have heard that over the air will end in late 2014 as it is no longer required

sviato
Sep 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
Plasma is so year 2000 ;)

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 07:22 PM
Wow, you guys are very right. A Roku box will solve any missing "smartness" from a Smart TV and all for a ridiculously affordable price.

Now with the money I can save getting a "dumb" TV, I could put that money into either better quality and/or larger screen.

Great advice, guys. Glad I did the recommended research. Almost fell for the marketing of "Smart TVs".

JohnLT13
Sep 23, 2013, 07:27 PM
Plasma is so year 2000 ;)

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz347/johnlt13/AF7FCBEF-9824-4233-8DBA-A0463690082F-1046-000000736E5BEC82.jpg (http://s842.photobucket.com/user/johnlt13/media/AF7FCBEF-9824-4233-8DBA-A0463690082F-1046-000000736E5BEC82.jpg.html)

linkgx1
Sep 23, 2013, 07:29 PM
It almost did. Especially when I had the Samsung Vibrant. Glad I didn't and stuck with a Panny ST30!:D

The problem with getting 'smart tvs' is that they are inherently backwards. Smart TVs in many ways use off-the-shelf cellphone parts/processors..or at least that's what their power feels like.

I don't want another STV until they make them upgradeable. Like a box on the back you can switch out like an SD card. And make that platform last 5-7 years at least.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 09:15 PM
The problem with finding non-Smart TVs is that there seem to be a lot of compromises.

Less HDMI ports, less nice-looking machines (not thin at all), less screen size range (all the lower tiered models tend to either be in the 30 inch range or jump straight to the 50+ range. Where are the 40 inchers?), and seem to have less picture quality. And they don't seem to be that much cheaper. There's just a lot less choices and variety in choices.

It almost seems like a ploy from the manufacturers to make you go toward Smart TVs, where they put their better things and make more profit on the margins.

Kind of frustrating.

Technarchy
Sep 23, 2013, 09:43 PM
I use Apple TV, so no.

tbayrgs
Sep 23, 2013, 09:51 PM
The problem with finding non-Smart TVs is that there seem to be a lot of compromises.

Less HDMI ports, less nice-looking machines (not thin at all), less screen size range (all the lower tiered models tend to either be in the 30 inch range or jump straight to the 50+ range. Where are the 40 inchers?), and seem to have less picture quality. And they don't seem to be that much cheaper. There's just a lot less choices and variety in choices.

It almost seems like a ploy from the manufacturers to make you go toward Smart TVs, where they put their better things and make more profit on the margins.

Kind of frustrating.

Yeah, was putting together a brief post mentioning exactly that when I saw yours. Manufacturers aren't only going to improve picture quality without throwing in more bells and whistles (and thus letting them increase the price further). Over the next year or two I doubt we'll see many new TVs without Smart functionality.

I'd just shop based on the features most important to you and disregard the Smart aspects (unless that disproportionately add to the price). Chances are unless you really have no preference on picture quality that you're probably going to be getting some degree of Smart functionality anyways.

onthecouchagain
Sep 23, 2013, 10:07 PM
Yeah, was putting together a brief post mentioning exactly that when I saw yours. Manufacturers aren't only going to improve picture quality without throwing in more bells and whistles (and thus letting them increase the price further). Over the next year or two I doubt we'll see many new TVs without Smart functionality.

I'd just shop based on the features most important to you and disregard the Smart aspects (unless that disproportionately add to the price). Chances are unless you really have no preference on picture quality that you're probably going to be getting some degree of Smart functionality anyways.

Yeah. I think I'm narrowing it down to either the Panasonic 42" or the Vizio 47":

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L42E60-42-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BB5ZQAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379909933&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+tv

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M471i-A2-47-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00C5B18CQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Leaning toward the Panasonic.

I just can't find a "dumb" TV for a good price with the specs I want. I refuse to have to plug/unplug between my PS3 and Roku Box every time I want to use one or the other. That'd frustrate me.

mattopotamus
Sep 24, 2013, 06:22 AM
It almost did. Especially when I had the Samsung Vibrant. Glad I didn't and stuck with a Panny ST30!:D

The problem with getting 'smart tvs' is that they are inherently backwards. Smart TVs in many ways use off-the-shelf cellphone parts/processors..or at least that's what their power feels like.

I don't want another STV until they make them upgradeable. Like a box on the back you can switch out like an SD card. And make that platform last 5-7 years at least.

samsung actually does that with their evlolution kit.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/tv-accessories/SEK-1000/XC?subsubtype=evolution-kit

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Yeah. I think I'm narrowing it down to either the Panasonic 42" or the Vizio 47":

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L42E60-42-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BB5ZQAM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379909933&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+tv

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M471i-A2-47-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00C5B18CQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Leaning toward the Panasonic.

I just can't find a "dumb" TV for a good price with the specs I want. I refuse to have to plug/unplug between my PS3 and Roku Box every time I want to use one or the other. That'd frustrate me.

I never thought I would say this, but check out brandsmart. They usually carry the previous year models and a few months ago I found a friend at 2012 panasonic Viera 50" for $599.

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 07:10 AM
I never thought I would say this, but check out brandsmart. They usually carry the previous year models and a few months ago I found a friend at 2012 panasonic Viera 50" for $599.

I will. Thanks.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 24, 2013, 08:52 AM
The problem with finding non-Smart TVs is that there seem to be a lot of compromises.

Less HDMI ports, less nice-looking machines (not thin at all), less screen size range (all the lower tiered models tend to either be in the 30 inch range or jump straight to the 50+ range. Where are the 40 inchers?), and seem to have less picture quality. And they don't seem to be that much cheaper. There's just a lot less choices and variety in choices.

It almost seems like a ploy from the manufacturers to make you go toward Smart TVs, where they put their better things and make more profit on the margins.

Kind of frustrating.

Yup your right about that. Dumb TVs will soon be extinct. Not really a bad thing since prices of smartTVs will be on average of what dumb TVs are now. It's really a ploy to make sure EVERYONE has whatever services available. Netflix, Pandora, and etc: will one day be accessible in everyone's home even if they don't buy a separate device and have no interest. That's what all these companies want. I wouldn't be surprised if 3 years from now, getting a new TV without a built in camera is near impossible. Might even have xbox and Playstation consoles come in a form of TVs a couple gens from now.

APhillyApple
Sep 24, 2013, 09:09 AM
Performance and picture quality should be your only guide when purchasing a new television. That is until Apple decides to release one! :p

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 09:17 AM
Yup your right about that. Dumb TVs will soon be extinct. Not really a bad thing since prices of smartTVs will be on average of what dumb TVs are now. It's really a ploy to make sure EVERYONE has whatever services available. Netflix, Pandora, and etc: will one day be accessible in everyone's home even if they don't buy a separate device and have no interest. That's what all these companies want. I wouldn't be surprised if 3 years from now, getting a new TV without a built in camera is near impossible. Might even have xbox and Playstation consoles come in a form of TVs a couple gens from now.

You had mention Vizio being good before. I've been researching and they seem to be an up-and-coming American brand.

Would you say this is a good buy?

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M471i-A2-47-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00C5B18CQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380032189&sr=1-13&keywords=vizio+tv

mattopotamus
Sep 24, 2013, 09:20 AM
You had mention Vizio being good before. I've been researching and they seem to be an up-and-coming American brand.

Would you say this is a good buy?

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M471i-A2-47-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00C5B18CQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380032189&sr=1-13&keywords=vizio+tv

I would say 2-3 years ago they were up and coming, but now are very popular. The main concern with that TV and most LEDs is that you want at least 240hz or you will really notice that "soap opera" effect I mentioned.

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 09:23 AM
I would say 2-3 years ago they were up and coming, but now are very popular. The main concern with that TV and most LEDs is that you want at least 240hz or you will really notice that "soap opera" effect I mentioned.

I'm looking for 120Hz at least. Nothing lower. Not sure if I can afford higher. Also, the higher ones that offer 240Hz seem to be for much larger screens. And again, pricing, and just the size won't work for me. :T

Is 120 Hz not good enough?

mattopotamus
Sep 24, 2013, 09:49 AM
I'm looking for 120Hz at least. Nothing lower. Not sure if I can afford higher. Also, the higher ones that offer 240Hz seem to be for much larger screens. And again, pricing, and just the size won't work for me. :T

Is 120 Hz not good enough?

I would really suggest going in store and looking at the TV then maybe ordering it on amazon. I notice things when watching TV that none of my family seem to notice in regards to quality. Similar to how people notice pixels on phones and others cannot.

Also, calibrate the tv when you first get it. Look online for settings b.c the default ones will mostly likely be horrific.

kdarling
Sep 24, 2013, 09:53 AM
I just can't find a "dumb" TV for a good price with the specs I want. I refuse to have to plug/unplug between my PS3 and Roku Box every time I want to use one or the other. That'd frustrate me.

Yes, having enough HDMI, A/V and component inputs is major.

Wow, you guys are very right. A Roku box will solve any missing "smartness" from a Smart TV and all for a ridiculously affordable price.

I got a refurb Roku 2 XS with free HDMI cable, and Amazon Prime shipping, for $60.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092QV9GM/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The reason for me was because it supports Netflix, Amazon Videos, Redbox, Pandora, Disney, Facebook and Flickr. Not every smart box has all those. It also has a lot of other channels and apps available.

It also has a terrific Search capability. Just type (click) in the beginning of the show or movie title you want, and all the sources where it's available show up to choose from. Super handy.

However, it does not have YouTube. Edit: oho. By using developer mode, you can install an unofficial YouTube app. http://www.myvideobuzz.in/Account/Install.aspx Yay. Just did and donated $10 to them as a thanks. My daughter will be happy.

With the money I saved (yes, this is the story I tell my wife - grin), I want to experiment with an Vizio Google TV box (which has HDMI pass through... nice!), or XBMC, or maybe even one of those el cheapo Android HDMI sticks.

.

LIVEFRMNYC
Sep 24, 2013, 09:58 AM
You had mention Vizio being good before. I've been researching and they seem to be an up-and-coming American brand.

Would you say this is a good buy?

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M471i-A2-47-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00C5B18CQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380032189&sr=1-13&keywords=vizio+tv

I'm looking for 120Hz at least. Nothing lower. Not sure if I can afford higher. Also, the higher ones that offer 240Hz seem to be for much larger screens. And again, pricing, and just the size won't work for me. :T

Is 120 Hz not good enough?

That's an excellent buy. Like anything you purchase, just make sure to look at user and pro reviews on that specific model to make sure there is no major flaw. 120Hz is good enough. I have a 60Hz Sony Bravia 48" in my living room which still has better picture quality than plenty of 120Hz and above. Your eyes will definitely have to adjust to higher Hz above 120. And it could really take days for that adjustment depending one the person.

ToothTooth
Sep 24, 2013, 10:09 AM
I just can't find a "dumb" TV for a good price with the specs I want. I refuse to have to plug/unplug between my PS3 and Roku Box every time I want to use one or the other. That'd frustrate me.

If not having enough HDMI ports on a "dumb" TV is the main problem, then look into the HDMI switches on the Monoprice website. Makes expanding and switching HDMI inputs quite flexible and easy. Especially when paired with a Harmony remote that can be programmed to handle all the input switching automatically based on the TV "activity" (Xbox, Roku, Blu-Ray, etc.) you select.

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 12:14 PM
Thanks guys. All very insightful. I went to Best Buy and after checking out the TVs, I'm leaning toward Vizio. The picture quality is pretty amazing. The picture quality of the Panasonic unfortunately did not impress -- whites weren't really white and blacks weren't really black. And this was an LED.

I'm favoring the Vizio 47" now.

I also found a decent 46" non-Smart TV 120Hz from Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46FH6030-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BD8TMIO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380042515&sr=8-2&keywords=Samsung+6030#productDetails

But it's almost the same price as the Vizio so I might as well get the Vizio and gain an extra inch and gain Smart TV built in. I'd have to buy a Roku box to go with the Samsung non-Smart.

jrswizzle
Sep 24, 2013, 12:19 PM
Ya it pretty much comes down to what you need.

My wife and I bought a cheap 42" Sony from Sam's when we first moved in to our apt.

Then I needed a second TV for our bedroom (then my man cave in our current house) and I HAD to get a 1080p TV as cheap as possible. An Insignia worked well here (a Best Buy brand) and honestly, it really is a great TV.

We recently decided to get a TV for our bedroom in our house so we moved the Sony that was in our living room to the bedroom and wen as high end as we could go that would fill the space we needed to fill. A 55" Samsung did the trick.

We didn't need any of the smart features on any TV as we have DirecTV and AppleTVs on all of them. All-in-all:

-42" 720p (60 Hz) Sony for rougly $465
-39" 1080p (120Hz) Insignia for $350
-55" 1080p (120Hz) Samsung for $799

mattopotamus
Sep 24, 2013, 12:20 PM
Thanks guys. All very insightful. I went to Best Buy and after checking out the TVs, I'm leaning toward Vizio. The picture quality is pretty amazing. The picture quality of the Panasonic unfortunately did not impress -- whites weren't really white and blacks weren't really black. And this was an LED.

I'm favoring the Vizio 47" now.

I also found a decent 46" non-Smart TV 120Hz from Samsung: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46FH6030-46-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BD8TMIO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1380042515&sr=8-2&keywords=Samsung+6030#productDetails

But it's almost the same price as the Vizio so I might as well get the Vizio and gain an extra inch and gain Smart TV built in. I'd have to buy a Roku box to go with the Samsung non-Smart.

I cannot attest to the quality of the Panasonic LEDs, but remember a lot of times the TVs are not hooked up the same way in store, and the Demo settings the stores use may not highlight the best picture the TV can actually achieve. I personally think that samsung does make the best LEDs though and I would not worry about gaining an inch.

Dontazemebro
Sep 24, 2013, 12:36 PM
I don't see a lot of plasma smart TVs. Why is this?

I have a 60" Panasonic Viera and I swear by it.

mattopotamus
Sep 24, 2013, 01:02 PM
I have a 60" Panasonic Viera and I swear by it.

likewise, but it is really hard to find anything sub 50" and very few b&m carry them. I really think the original burn in issue turned a lot of people away from plasma's.

Cnasty
Sep 24, 2013, 01:02 PM
Go Samsung, you will not be disappointed.

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 03:49 PM
The value of the Vizio 47" Smart TV for $648 (after Amazon Prime discount) is hard to pass up.

Versus...

The Samsung non-Smart 46" with 3D (not that I care for it. It just has it) for $647. I'd have to add a Roku box to get the same apps that the Vizio will already have. A Roku 2X for 1080p is another $60 dollars. So all said and done, this will be $700.

~$700 vs ~$650. I'm leaning toward the Vizio. The picture between the two, when I was comparing at Best Buy, were not so different. The Samsung was better, though, but not by very much.

EDIT: Also, the Samsung only offers two HDMI ports, which is a big downer to me. Even though it's a minor inconvenience, I rather not deal with switchers and whatnot. It just feels like I'd have to gobble together different things with the Samsung versus getting everything in one package.

onthecouchagain
Sep 24, 2013, 05:08 PM
I also might have to throw LG back into the running. Their displays are beautiful. Right up there with Samsung, and usually for a hundred or two less for a larger screen.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-47LN5700-47-Inch-LED-LCD/dp/B00BB9ORS0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380060315&sr=8-1&keywords=LG+Smart+TV

This 47" for example is $621.

Cnasty
Sep 24, 2013, 06:28 PM
I would steer clear of the Vizios in my opinion and pay a little more for a Samsung or look into LG.

Maybe its a rare freak of nature but I have had 3 friends with 3 different larger Vizio models(the one you have mentioned included) and they have had board issues and it was on the fritz.

Again, not swaying either way but just providing you some feedback.

Samsung isnt perfect either but my line of thinking is pay a little more now and benefit a lot later. Have had zero issues with the 3 Samsung LEDs I own.

Its a big decision, think wisely!:D

onthecouchagain
Sep 25, 2013, 09:27 PM
So I ended up with the 47" LG Smart TV. It basically came down to the LG having picture quality nearly as good as Samsung, and value as good as Vizio. It was a no brainer.

I may consider getting the newly refreshed Roku 1 for HBO Go, the only app that is missing from the LG Smart TV.

Anyway, big thanks for everyone's input.