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Jessica Lares
Sep 23, 2013, 11:51 AM
"Do you still think I'm pretty?" :rolleyes:

Anyone thinking twice about getting the new Surface 2?



identity
Sep 23, 2013, 12:02 PM
Surface Pro 2 but not the Surface 2.

Gotta wait and see how the real battery test is like and actual price information for upgraded ram and hd space.

bmt134
Sep 23, 2013, 12:13 PM
Definitely getting a Surface Pro 2. Wanted a Surface Pro earlier, but decided to wait for one with a Haswell processor.

dkersten
Sep 23, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'd be interested in basically a Surface Pro 2, but with a smaller screen (would probably have to be made by a 3rd party manufacturer).

MacRumorUser
Sep 23, 2013, 12:59 PM
The Tegra powered RT model goes a long way to addressing a lot of the issues people had with RT model previously, and it should give it enough oomph for most day to day usage that folks use tablets for (and many folks use laptops for - that being internet, office, email, casual gaming)......

That being said - $449 is still questionable and I think $399 would be better or at least throw in the touch keyboard for $449 if they really want to push this hard. The fact that you really do need to get a typing cover due to the nature of Windows over other tablet OS's - means that your really talking $550-580 for the 32GB Surface 2.

Surface Pro 2 is grand - no major changes really other than the expected haswell improvements. Sad to see that they haven't given it more 'stylus' additions such as those who use a proper wacom cintiq will be familiar with.



The biggest problem I think Surface pro 2 and surface 2 are going to have is this.....

Surface itself and indeed windows tablets haven't really taken off in any meaningful way. The new hardware is nice - but doesn't fundamentally address 'why' people are just not going for Windows tablets.

Therefore will they sell more ? or will they just sell about the same and have about the same impact as the previous models ? I suspect the later.

If you gave me one - I'd be delighted......
If I was in a store going to buy a tablet would I choose one over the leading Android tablets or the soon to be released iPad 5 & iPad mini 2 ? No. I'd likely go with the tried and tested - especially given Wacom's own pen stylus soon to be available.

Liquorpuki
Sep 23, 2013, 01:22 PM
Surface Pro 2 for sure... incremental upgrades but they'll make a huge difference for usability. 8GB RAM, Haswell + iGPU upgrade, better battery life. For everything I currently do with my Pro - Ableton, FF:ARR, etc - it's a huge boost

I'll never buy an RT tablet simply because there's no ecosystem and MS is incapable of creating one. I expect the Surface 2 to bomb and possibly result in another write-off. They really should just kill it outright and let the Pro thrive without being tainted

Also, the Pro release is timed with the Windows Blue release. One of the Blue's features is the ability to boot straight to the desktop, eliminating most of Metro. I don't know how much it will actually help the brand but I can speculate it would make the OS way more practical for any device without a touchscreen and for enterprise deployment.

Ddyracer
Sep 23, 2013, 01:25 PM
Eh, Microsoft should just kill rt and sell the pro for 200 less with touch cover. No point really in getting rt over an iPad or android tablet, unless your really into the ms ecosystem.

Running desktop apps was really surface main strength. Problem is you can get an refurb MBA or MBA for a hundred more doesn't make sense at all. I think maybe they should kill it its not selling well.

Whatever.

Michael Goff
Sep 23, 2013, 01:25 PM
Nah, my Surface RT is good enough.

That being said, if I had 500$ of disposable income right now? I might. Who knows?

APhillyApple
Sep 23, 2013, 01:57 PM
Pass, these are just simply lackluster products that arent very good. They arent selling and its simply because they are poor.

akuma13
Sep 23, 2013, 03:17 PM
Sticking with my Surface Pro. I just need that damn battery keyboard.

Hankster
Sep 23, 2013, 04:02 PM
It's funny. The tablet has two features I really like: build in kickstand and a keyboard. But, I still don't care for the product because of the OS. I bet if they installed Windows 98 onto that tablet and sold it for $399 people would buy it :)

appledes7
Sep 23, 2013, 05:07 PM
Asus Transformer Book T100.

spinedoc77
Sep 23, 2013, 07:49 PM
Possibly surface Pro 2, but I'm not sold, still the same thickness and weight of pro 1, and even at 6 hours battery life it's still at half of what my Atom powered tablet can get. Baytrail, which is the new Atom cpu, is supposed to be an incredible upgrade, and still keep that 10-12 hour battery life, and be thin/light, and some models announced are $349 with keyboard, a far cry from the $1000+ of the Pro 2 plus keyboard.

As for the RT 2it will be dead on arrival, just as the first RT was. Pure and utter stupidness on the part of a multi billion dollar company with everything on the line, just astonishing idiocy.

Man, it's so hard to be a Microsoft fan these days.

ChazUK
Sep 23, 2013, 10:07 PM
If the surface 2 was Bay Trail, not Tegra, I'd be interested.

Atom on Windows 8.1 is a far more tempting prospect for me than ARM and RT ever will be thanks to legacy applications. MS have to show interest in RT regardless so I understand why they're pushing the ARM route.

MacRumorUser
Sep 24, 2013, 03:38 AM
Pass, these are just simply lackluster products that arent very good. They arent selling and its simply because they are poor.

I don't agree with you on the assertion they are poor. I think there is good hardware, the problem comes down to Windows 8.

Its not really a tablet OS and neither is it a fast easy to use desktop OS. Its still an uneasy blend of the two.

Windows 8 has an identity crisis that follows through into all hardware.

Also price of the Surface Pro is a factor, the main selling point for any windows device is legacy support. Something not available in the RT model, and something that comes at comparitivly high cost in the Pro model compared to tablets (not laptops).

Add $199 each for the docking station and power keyboard that's $1300 - 1400 before tax.

As high specced as it is, for something that will give you laptop performance - $1300-1400 can buy you a better laptop....

spinedoc77
Sep 24, 2013, 07:49 AM
I don't agree with you on the assertion they are poor. I think there is good hardware, the problem comes down to Windows 8.

Its not really a tablet OS and neither is it a fast easy to use desktop OS. Its still an uneasy blend of the two.

Windows 8 has an identity crisis that follows through into all hardware.

Also price of the Surface Pro is a factor, the main selling point for any windows device is legacy support. Something not available in the RT model, and something that comes at comparitivly high cost in the Pro model compared to tablets (not laptops).

Add $199 each for the docking station and power keyboard that's $1300 - 1400 before tax.

As high specced as it is, for something that will give you laptop performance - $1300-1400 can buy you a better laptop....

I think Windows is much less of an issue with 8.1. It handles the dual nature of the desktop and mobile very well IMO. I think people overthink it too much, if you want a dumb tablet like the ipad boot into Metro and never look at desktop mode, but if you do need desktop mode that choice is there for you.

The price, I agree, doesn't make sense. The PRO is what should compete with the ipad, not that utter garbage RT. The Pro can easily compete if it had a Baytrail setup, others have already announced $349 baytrail tablets. Can you imagine if MS released a baytrail Surface Pro with their build quality for even $499? But instead they release the Pro 2 which will continue to be a niche product because of its battery life (its still under "tablet" type battery life), thickness, weight, and most of all the very high price.

APhillyApple
Sep 24, 2013, 08:20 AM
I don't agree with you on the assertion they are poor. I think there is good hardware, the problem comes down to Windows 8.

Its not really a tablet OS and neither is it a fast easy to use desktop OS. Its still an uneasy blend of the two.

Windows 8 has an identity crisis that follows through into all hardware.

Also price of the Surface Pro is a factor, the main selling point for any windows device is legacy support. Something not available in the RT model, and something that comes at comparitivly high cost in the Pro model compared to tablets (not laptops).

Add $199 each for the docking station and power keyboard that's $1300 - 1400 before tax.

As high specced as it is, for something that will give you laptop performance - $1300-1400 can buy you a better laptop....


I can somewhat agree, but at the same time all the pieces that go into to the Surface is what encompasses it as a product. While the hardware is fairly standard, the other components such as the OS, etc make it a poor product.

You can find a product with similar specs that runs a different OS and it a be great product. I dont think we can just separate the hardware from the software because that is what makes the Surface what it is.

TacticalDesire
Sep 24, 2013, 09:13 AM
I'll wait for it to come down in price.

bmt134
Sep 24, 2013, 09:16 AM
What's so poor about Windows 8.1?

thejadedmonkey
Sep 24, 2013, 09:29 AM
It's funny. The tablet has two features I really like: build in kickstand and a keyboard. But, I still don't care for the product because of the OS. I bet if they installed Windows 98 onto that tablet and sold it for $399 people would buy it :)

You can install a DOS emulator on the Surface RT, which should handle Windows 98 ;)

ajumbaje
Sep 24, 2013, 12:32 PM
surface pro 2 would be cool. Love that power keyboard. I wouldn't mind the 256/8gb ram version, but 1299 is pricey especially as an ipad replacement and as something I can take around campus a lot.

then again I would be selling/trading in my old ipad and also getting a 10% student discount.

Vegastouch
Sep 25, 2013, 12:32 AM
"Do you still think I'm pretty?" :rolleyes:

Anyone thinking twice about getting the new Surface 2?

I absolutely would but i recently got a Lenovo Yoga 11s instead. I still think the Surface Pro is too expensive.

identity
Sep 25, 2013, 05:43 AM
I absolutely would but i recently got a Lenovo Yoga 11s instead. I still think the Surface Pro is too expensive.

The Yoga needs to be updated. It's still running Ivy Bridge and the 1366x768 is terrible for today's tech.

Bobby.e
Sep 25, 2013, 07:08 AM
surface pro 2 would be cool. Love that power keyboard. I wouldn't mind the 256/8gb ram version, but 1299 is pricey especially as an ipad replacement and as something I can take around campus a lot.

then again I would be selling/trading in my old ipad and also getting a 10% student discount.

It's not meant to replace an iPad. It is meant to replace a laptop such as the MBP in your sig.

Phil A.
Sep 25, 2013, 07:13 AM
Hugely interested in the Surface Pro 2 - with the Haswell processor, 8GB ram and a decent sized SSD, it can definitely do dual service as a tablet and a laptop replacement.
Not sure I fancy the 400 premium for the uplift from 256GB to 512GB SSD though!

sviato
Sep 25, 2013, 07:23 AM
This could sell a lot more if Microsoft's marketing wasn't garbage :rolleyes:

rowspaxe
Sep 26, 2013, 11:41 AM
If apple released touch os with a pen that "just worked" and an amazing notes software like OneNote, it would be hailed as the greatest innovation since the pc. The surface and OneNote are amazing, but will likely languish because Microsoft cant market. Students will drive demand for real pen based solutions and the future of tablet computing will look more like a surface than an mba. The surface may or may not be part of that ultimate revolution

DeathTheKid
Sep 26, 2013, 12:01 PM
If anything, I would get a Surface Pro. Maybe once the Surface Pro 2 comes out, the regular Surface Pro will go down in price then I will snag one up.

Otherwise, I am interested to see what Bay Trail has to offer. That should be around the end of the year. If you give me a tablet that is 11" (I can do 10", but perfer 11" or bigger), full Windows, and an active digitizer. At the right price I would get it.

ucfgrad93
Sep 26, 2013, 12:15 PM
I have no interest in the Surface tablets.

spinedoc77
Sep 27, 2013, 07:44 AM
If apple released touch os with a pen that "just worked" and an amazing notes software like OneNote, it would be hailed as the greatest innovation since the pc. The surface and OneNote are amazing, but will likely languish because Microsoft cant market. Students will drive demand for real pen based solutions and the future of tablet computing will look more like a surface than an mba. The surface may or may not be part of that ultimate revolution

OneNote on my windows tablet works phenomenally. The handwriting recognition in windows is superb, and my thinkpad tablet 2 has a wacom digitizer, plus built in palm rejection. Taking handwritten notes is insanely nice, the best on the market IMO by far, even much better than Samsung's handwriting app/stylus phones/tablets. OneNote as a notes program is pretty phenomenal as well.

It is a shame, and the lack of stylus is one of the many many things that just turned me off of the ipad a long time ago. These are the things MS NEEDS to heavily market.

TheHateMachine
Sep 27, 2013, 09:41 AM
We are about to order about 15 Surface Pro 2s here at my hospital campus. My employer bought me a Surface Pro 1 to beta test and see how it worked on our network and it fit in flawlessly. I just had to spend time tweaking and configuring the factory image as close to our company image. It has replaced my ipad and laptop and now with the dock i'm going to sub it in for my desktop. The plan is to do the same for everyone in my department. We even got a former Apple employee who is absolutely stoked about this prospect.

Technarchy
Sep 27, 2013, 09:44 AM
"Do you still think I'm pretty?" :rolleyes:

Anyone thinking twice about getting the new Surface 2?

Nope sticking with my iPad and MacBook air.

Mind you, I think the Surface is snazzy, but not to the extent that I would want to change over to one. I fondle them every time I'm in the Microsoft store.

ReallyBigFeet
Sep 27, 2013, 07:50 PM
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

New Surface RT = DOA

New Surface Pro 2 = Sells less than 300,000 units globally

tbayrgs
Oct 2, 2013, 09:25 PM
In a somewhat related note, did anyone take notice of the announcement of the new Dell Windows 8.1 tablets? The 8" model appears to be the nicest offering of that size in a Windows powered tablet to date (though I'd prefer a higher resolution display). The Venue 11 Pro looks terrific, better IMO than the Surface Pro 2 and priced initially far cheaper with awesome battery life.

Will certainly be keeping an eye on the Venue 11.

spinedoc77
Oct 3, 2013, 02:22 PM
In a somewhat related note, did anyone take notice of the announcement of the new Dell Windows 8.1 tablets? The 8" model appears to be the nicest offering of that size in a Windows powered tablet to date (though I'd prefer a higher resolution display). The Venue 11 Pro looks terrific, better IMO than the Surface Pro 2 and priced initially far cheaper with awesome battery life.

Will certainly be keeping an eye on the Venue 11.

Those Dell tablets look phenomenal. That 8" one is $299, with a digitizer and stylus, although it's only 32gb. I will most likely grab that when it gets LTE.

silentbob007
Oct 3, 2013, 03:15 PM
I should be getting a Pro 2 for work so I'm excited to try it. It also benefits from being able to play iTunes media (since I'm assuming iTunes can be installed).

InuNacho
Oct 3, 2013, 09:15 PM
In a somewhat related note, did anyone take notice of the announcement of the new Dell Windows 8.1 tablets? The 8" model appears to be the nicest offering of that size in a Windows powered tablet to date (though I'd prefer a higher resolution display). The Venue 11 Pro looks terrific, better IMO than the Surface Pro 2 and priced initially far cheaper with awesome battery life.

Will certainly be keeping an eye on the Venue 11.

Well damn, I was thinking of getting an RT but if I can get that thing for $500, I'm sold.

tbayrgs
Oct 3, 2013, 10:02 PM
Well damn, I was thinking of getting an RT but if I can get that thing for $500, I'm sold.

Well, I'd probably stay away from the cheapest model as it sounds like it'll be using a Pentium CPU. There will also be a versions with Atom Bay Trail (likely next step up) or Haswell CPUs.

If your budget is firmly along the lines of the Surface RT, you should also take a look at the recently announced Asus Transformer Book T100 (http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/asus-reveals-transformer-book-t100-with-windows-8-1-for-349-we/). The display isn't as high res but it's also running an Atom Bay Trail CPU and full Windows 8.1, price starting at $349.

TacticalDesire
Oct 3, 2013, 10:03 PM
I should be getting a Pro 2 for work so I'm excited to try it. It also benefits from being able to play iTunes media (since I'm assuming iTunes can be installed).

Anything you can install on a windows laptop or desktop you can install on a surface. It's a full fledged windows computer (Windows 8 pro, core i5, 4/8gb ram)

InuNacho
Oct 4, 2013, 09:01 AM
Well, I'd probably stay away from the cheapest model as it sounds like it'll be using a Pentium CPU. There will also be a versions with Atom Bay Trail (likely next step up) or Haswell CPUs.

If your budget is firmly along the lines of the Surface RT, you should also take a look at the recently announced Asus Transformer Book T100 (http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/asus-reveals-transformer-book-t100-with-windows-8-1-for-349-we/). The display isn't as high res but it's also running an Atom Bay Trail CPU and full Windows 8.1, price starting at $349.

The only "heavy" mobile things I would do is LAN Halo 2 and Unreal 2004 and I'm pretty sure that the Venue's quad Atom + 4GB can handle both those quite smoothly. The only real pro I had going for the RT was the built in Office Suite and the ability to access a desktop, the price was just a bonus.

Faux Carnival
Oct 4, 2013, 12:19 PM
Definitely Surface Pro. Better than my Macbook Air.